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the Data connection is turning on on a regular basis and I can't find any scheduled tasks set up to access the Internet, but some rogue program is? any ideas any one and/or any way I get find out what is causing this.
I have the same problem.. And I'm a little bit tired!
I wrote on this thread with no answer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529622
I have a flat data plane but I don't like that PDA face things on his own initiative!!
me neither, I'm in charge - not my new toy! Lets hope someone helps us out this time round.
I had the same problem. In my case the 2 apps connecting to the net were Google Maps and Funambol.
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I had the same problem. In my case the 2 apps connecting to the net were Google Maps and Funambol.
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Well, I don't use funambol.. And anyway: there are no program in task manamager! So: something is going wrong with manila..
I had the same 'problem', but my brother suggested to turn it off and on again. It did work as far as I could see.
I think it may be google maps causing this, but I'm not sure (and don't really care, since this 'solution' worked).
Any number of added apps can be doing this (Worldmate live is a bad one for example) or any apps still running and not shut down.
Obvious things to check first are:
Do you have automatic email check set?
Have you disabled auto-update in weather and stock quotes?
This drives me crazy too, afaik I have turned off everything yet it keeps turning on... A fix would be highly appreciated!
its the activesync...
turn it off, i mean, delete the settings and you'll be fine. activesync triggers automatic data sync, hence turning on the data connection
I use ActiveSync and don't have this problem. If it was ActiveSync, why would it cause the problem for some and not others ?
itm said:
2 apps connecting to the net were Google Maps and Funambol.
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Well.. I tested all day.. And I can say that I solved the problem!!!
I think that last time I closed gmaps.. I answered in a bad way to the question about updating Glatitude..
So: Gmaps seemed close but it was updating my position on the net!!!
When i opened gmaps i could see my avatar in the map.. So i understand that it was still online..
So.. I think I've solved!
Anyway we need a "netstat" on pocket pc...
Thank you for your advices.
Glad you worked it out.
I put this in the developers forum a while back. Maybe someone smarter than me will work out a solution to this sort of problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530634
As with the poster here. You will have an application that you have inadvertently set to autoupdate. The only thorough solution is to go through every program on your phone and check each setting meticulously. Alternatively. Back up your personal data and hard reset. Then reinstall your apps one by one, testing for an hour after each one. Eventually, you will find the offending app and can work on finding the setting in it to stop it connecting to the net.
Hi all,
the thing is there are dozen possibilities: activesync, alle gps-stuff, all auto-updates. So instead off looking up all these settings, you could also use the nodata.cab - works fine (phone need to be unlocked!)
greetz to all
Kjoere
thanks for all the posts, haven't checked for a while. I have checked everything and noting is set to auto update so very strange and annoying. Will try the nodata.cab - if I can find it?
DJ Palmis said:
Anyway we need a "netstat" on pocket pc...
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Look at "TaskManager 3.1" that has a Netstat tab
Tom
download Modaco Nodata
frogfoot said:
Look at "TaskManager 3.1" that has a Netstat tab
Tom
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Thank you! That is very interesting.
It also can be the build-in Facebook app in Contacts in manila. It has feature to automaticly update in 2 hours. At least, I had mine turned on as default.
The only reliable and "ultimate" solution is really Modaco NoData as mentioned above.
On the other hand not taking third party apps in count, basic traffic of HTC device is nothing to be scared of. Updates for weather, stocks and A-GPS are just few bytes in size... Obviously, GMaps, mail autocheck, Messenger etc. are different story, but none of these are started on their own... BTW, ActiveSync has nothing to do with Internet with one exception - Exchange mail sync, if you have any.
What you have to understand, is behaviour of the active data indicator (small G, E or H next to signal strength). If it's there does not mean, that any data are transferred at the moment. It just indicates opened data slot with current brodcasting tower in the cell. It could stay opened for hours after trasfer even just of few bytes. It closes usually only for two reasons - your phone switches to another cell (and has no reason to open data slot again) or the tower is busy and closes inactive slots to gain more capacity.
Except few rare cases in some coutries you're charged only for data transferred, not for time of the connection and therefore it doesn't matter. In Europe from 1st of July (some new EU limit) one Mb shouldn't cost more than 50 cents and with these basic updates you will NEVER reach it in one month...
Obviously, roaming is another story, but in settings of the standard services you can limit updates just for your country.
It is with the official ROM. I'm still playing around with it. I liked so far. But, I'm having problem with the GPS. IGO/Navigon doesn't detected there is built-in GPS. Google Maps activated the GPS and locked sats thur active sync with no problem. I do not have/use data plan on my phone. For starter how do I enabled or configure the GPS, right now its set to Manage GPS automatically (recommended)?
I thought GPS uses a data plan, but regardless, make sure that you have location set to on,
Settings > system > location settings
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I thought GPS uses a data plan, but regardless, make sure that you have location set to on,
Settings > system > location settings
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I don't have location settings on my phone in Settings > system >
keno7777 said:
I don't have location settings on my phone in Settings > system >
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if you are still in TF3D there should be an option in the settings tab as well.
burtonsnow8 said:
I thought GPS uses a data plan
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Are you mental ?!
Do you have any idea what GPS is ?
Please !
dik23 said:
Are you mental ?!
Do you have any idea what GPS is ?
Please !
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I am not mental, but GPS is global positioning system. it uses satellites to track your devices location, but it still has to send that information to you.
I should be more clear...GPS can be accessed w/out data, but that doesn't do any good. You need programs like google maps etc which download the map onto ur phone. Thats great you can see your lattitude longitude but it doesn't do anything for you unless you are a damn navigator for a cruise ship.
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I am not mental, but GPS is global positioning system. it uses satellites to track your devices location, but it still has to send that information to you.
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OMG !!
Have you ever heard of Google ?!
It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Basic_concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !
LMAO !! This deservers a Picard Face Palm http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr290/usshorizonkitty/picard-facepalm.jpg
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OMG !!
Have you ever heard of Google ?!
It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Basic_concept_of_GPS
LMAO !!
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Yes I use google maps...and as such everytime i loaded it I saw my data being accessed because it had to load maps. I'm just trying to save this guy his money in case he thinks using google maps is going to be free.
Satnav....no thanks:
"Woman runs for her life after satnav leads her into path of a train". ... "BMW left teetering on 100ft cliff edge after sat-nav directs driver up steep"
needless to say you need to purchase most programs that will have the maps on ur phone.
SatNav is like Google maps for people who want to drive.
dik23 said:
OMG !!
Have you ever heard of Google ?!
It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !
LMAO !! This deservers a Picard Face Palm http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...d-facepalm.jpg
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Are you mental ?!
Do you have any idea what GPS is ?
Please !
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Easy there super chief!!
Some GPS-enabled apps do indeed require a data connection to communicate with servers in addition to the satellite-sourced signal they receive. If the esteemed Mr Snow here hadn't ever used any apps that don't require this, it's not a grand leap of logic for him to have the impression that it's always necessary. An incorrect impression to be sure, but still not as jaw-dropping as you imply.
Either way, wrong or right, there's no need to be so harsh...your sanctimony is unwarranted here.
One word
Google
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Easy there super chief!!
Some GPS-enabled apps do indeed require a data connection to communicate with servers in addition to the satellite-sourced signal they receive. If the esteemed Mr Snow here hadn't ever used any apps that don't require this, it's not a grand leap of logic for him to have the impression that it's always necessary. An incorrect impression to be sure, but still not as jaw-dropping as you imply.
Either way, wrong or right, there's no need to be so harsh...your sanctimony is unwarranted here.
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i've sent him my thoughts as well, but thank you for the bit of sanity on the forums.
as well, thank you for presenting the information in a manner that makes it readable and understandable.
Sorry - but if you insist on getting it wrong ...
Just trying to make sure the man's not getting twisted idea of what's going on
dik23 said:
Sorry - but if you insist on getting it wrong ...
Just trying to make sure the man's not getting twisted idea of what's going on
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I don't insist on getting it wrong, I wanted someone to explain to me like sirphunkee did the situation. I did not want to be belittled publicly by you. There is a big difference in how the information was presented, which in turn affects how other people view and absorb it.
But you did get it wrong !
Anyway, I refer you to post #7 in this thread
"It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Basic_concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !"
How clear would you like it ?
Only trying to help
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But you did get it wrong !
Anyway, I refer you to post #7 in this thread
"It works like a radio, the data is sent by a number of satellites. The receiver picks up the data and triangulates your position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...concept_of_GPS
The maps don't have to come via a mobile data connection, they can be stored on your device. You know - SatNav !"
How clear would you like it ?
Only trying to help
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Dude, it's not your message, it's your delivery.
Here...try this:
"Actually, while some GPS apps do require a data connection, sat-nav and many other apps don't...they just have the data they need stored locally. So, the OP could still get use out of his GPS w/o a data connection, as long as he uses the right app(s)"
See...? It cleared the point up (your stated purpose), without the disrespectful tone. Regardless of how you percieve the person, there's ways you talk to strangers in public forums...and ways you don't.
Since you're so fond of Google, here's two for you to look up:
"tact"
"couth"
I think it's more important to get the facts right, my friend.
What do we want here ? A board full of people telling each other things that aren't true or a source of information ?
I use Google all the time to search for answers to problems that I encounter in various situations. It's not good to repeatedly read page after page of threads from random forums only to get to the end and have no conclusion. I would much rather have the truth quickly and concisely than a bunch of people commenting about things they know nothing about. No matter how it's delivered. How about you ?
PS I'm glad you've now figured out what ROM stands for lol
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I think it's more important to get the facts right, my friend.
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Nobody said getting the facts right had to suffer in the name of common decency...or are you saying you're incapable of being correct and civil?
You imply that you treat others this way because you see no reason not to...but to what end? Who does it benefit?
We're not asking you to abandon your grand quest for truth, light and clarity...just to not devalue the same populace you seek to serve so nobly.
I was trying to make sure that the person who posted originally got the message and was in no way trying to degrade that person.
In fact I'd also like to point that person towards the following thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524655
It has some useful GPS tweaks. However it's also a sticky and so I'd like to suggest that answers to questions should be searched for first. It's very unlikely, esp with a device that's been about over 6 months like this one has, that you'll be the first to encounter any problem or situation. Otherwise we end up with thread after thread discussing the same thing over and over. And what good is that ?
Not that long ago I went on thread after thread showing people that mobilespeedtest.com gives erroneous results. It was unbelievable. Lots of people were being lead to believe total rubbish. There was thread after thread of this rubbish.
What is there to be gained getting things wrong ?
Sorry guys I didn't mean this to be a debate. Thanks dik23. I will take a look at the following thread.
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I was trying to make sure that the person who posted originally got the message and was in no way trying to degrade that person.
In fact I'd also like to point that person towards the following thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524655
It has some useful GPS tweaks. However it's also a sticky and so I'd like to suggest that answers to questions should be searched for first. It's very unlikely, esp with a device that's been about over 6 months like this one has, that you'll be the first to encounter any problem or situation. Otherwise we end up with thread after thread discussing the same thing over and over. And what good is that ?
Not that long ago I went on thread after thread showing people that mobilespeedtest.com gives erroneous results. It was unbelievable. Lots of people were being lead to believe total rubbish. There was thread after thread of this rubbish.
What is there to be gained getting things wrong ?
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Hi. I am really interested in getting the TP2 and I've been using the search function to try to find out whether the TP2 can work with third party applications through wifi only, but I can't find an answer. This is important because I can't afford a data plan and want to be able to reference things on my phone while at work. The programs are epocrates, qxmd, and the like. I've read that 3rd party apps only work through data on blackberries (even though they have wifi antennas) and was wondering if the same applies to any of the HTC phones (mainly the touch pro2)? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Welcome. Please try to use more descriptive thread titles in posts.
Whether an app can support Wifi is not really a function of the phone. I have yet to find one that didn't on either my Tilt 2 or the Incite it replaced. The app itself doesn't usually care which connection it uses so long as one is present. The real trick is to not use ANY data at all. Almost any WinMo phone will access the network for something, usually for something like aGPS or to download weather info. These will be relatively small amounts of data, but it takes some effort to set your phone up to not use ANY data. I use a couple of tracking and GPS programs that would not be possible without a data plan. Having one of these smartphones and not letting it use data seems a waste to me. Wifi is only so accessible.
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Welcome. Please try to use more descriptive thread titles in posts.
Whether an app can support Wifi is not really a function of the phone. I have yet to find one that didn't on either my Tilt 2 or the Incite it replaced. The app itself doesn't usually care which connection it uses so long as one is present. The real trick is to not use ANY data at all. Almost any WinMo phone will access the network for something, usually for something like aGPS or to download weather info. These will be relatively small amounts of data, but it takes some effort to set your phone up to not use ANY data. I use a couple of tracking and GPS programs that would not be possible without a data plan. Having one of these smartphones and not letting it use data seems a waste to me. Wifi is only so accessible.
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Thanks for your answer. I really don't want a smartphone, but it might be required and I just want a way to access it without paying extra money.
*Edit* The problem was found to be with Titanium backup and how it reports data usage by apps after you restore it. I have contacted the developer for investigation.
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Hi guys, this is a x-post from the Themes and Apps forum. I thought I'd post it here so more eyes would see it as a potential warning:
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So, I have Tasker installed on my Nexus just for simple automation that turns on Wi-Fi tether when my phone's Bluetooth pairs with my car stereo (which is also Android) so I can stream Internet radio etc.
I've been noticing lately that my data has been transmitting a lot when my phone has been sitting idle so I did some investigation and found that Tasker has sent over 2GB of data this month alone. This is more than I've used while tethered! I can't think of any valid reason as to why it would need to send that much data (if any at all) so I am highly suspicious of this app. Anyone else using Tasker? Can you check your data usage to see if you're seeing the same?
Update: I checked my previous months of data usage. Tasker shows as #1 with the following being reported:
September: 4.0GB
August: 3.36GB (app was installed August 7th from the Playstore).
Here's the FAQ from the author's site on Internet access usage:
The INTERNET permission is used solely for:
google maps downloading map data, only for setting up a Location context
to carry out HTTP Post/Get actions and other actions that require an Internet connection by their nature
to verify the order number, and only until it has been successfully verified
to check whether a new Tasker version is available, if configured in Preferences
Tasker never directly uses Internet access for anything else.
I have emailed the author asking for an explanation. I will update the thread when I hear back from him. In the meantime, if you're using Tasker I advise you to check your data usage to see any suspicious activity.
Maybe there's a bug in yours? Tasker consistently registers <10MB for me...
Edit: Thought I'd mention, I bought mine from the Play Store as well.
Tasker is <1MB for me too, and I got it straight from the author.
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Tasker is <1MB for me too, and I got it straight from the author.
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My copy is from the Playstore as well. Updated to the latest version. The author has contacted me. I'll keep you guys posted.
I've been using Tasker for over two years and have never had such an issue. In the past month, Tasker has used 899KB on my Nexus. I also have it installed on 4 other devices with no such problems.
My suggestion would be to examine your profiles - especially ones you didn't create yourself - for any actions that might use data.
The description you listed from the developer's due sounds right - Tasker uses limited data in support of other actions (like displaying maps in scenes), but has several actions that will use data if you tell it to do so.
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May I suggest that you also checkout Droidwall. It will allow you to control what apps can access your wifi/data. This is assuming you've unlocked/rooted your phone.
OK, I think I've found the problem. It appears to be a bug in Titanium backup and restoring the usage statistics.
Someone else had a similar problem but with a different app. When he did a restore of the system data usage, he had a random app reporting excessive data use. I have also done a restore of my data use after flashing a new ROM so I did some further testing after unfreezing Tasker for a couple of days and everything appears to be fine in that there is no data use being reported.
Thanks Everyone for the suggestions. I am going to report my findings to the author of Titanium backup.
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Damn, i knew restoring system data was a bad idea, but i did it anyway
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Yeah, stop besmirching Tasker's good name. Even double posting your own dumbness.
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I gave the developer and the app the benefit of the doubt from the beginning. I posted my findings here and in the App forum in order to get as much help as possible and also to warn others that use the app of a potential data leakage problem. Even after repeated conversations with the developer of the app with no success, it was a user on these boards that eventually helped to solve the problem. I didn't see you offering any words of wisdom to help solve this problem so STFU!
Anyhow I posted the update in the first thread and the title will be changed to reflect that. Thank you to those who actually had something meaningful to contribute.
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I gave the developer and the app the benefit of the doubt from the beginning. I posted my findings here and in the App forum in order to get as much help as possible and also to warn others that use the app of a potential data leakage problem. Even after repeated conversations with the developer of the app with no success, it was a user on these boards that eventually helped to solve the problem. I didn't see you offering any words of wisdom to help solve this problem so STFU!
Anyhow I posted the update in the first thread and the title will be changed to reflect that. Thank you to those who actually had something meaningful to contribute.
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I saw your question when it was first posted and ignored it knowing that it was user error. And now your OP says the problem is Titanium, but it's not. It's you. Don't restore system data, it's a basic Android law.
Happened to me too, anyone know how to reset the data usage?
Edit: just had to remove all the files in /data/system/netstats
So today I got the letter in the mail from AT&T telling me that I need to stop tethering or that I'll lose my old grandfathered in unlimited data plan and be moved to plan that supports tethering and a data cap.
I called the number they gave me to get some info on what they were going to say they told me very generally that they have detected tethering and that if I don't stop by the end of the month, they will bump my plan. She gave me a laundry list of things that are considered tethering, from wifi hotspots to getting internet access for a gaming console.
I pressed very hard to find out what exactly I have done that they register as tethering more than anything I wanted specifics. She told me several times that they couldn't give out specifics as that is proprietary information. When I suggested that this might just them trying to force me onto a more expensive plan since they were unable to give me any proof that I had been tethering, she paused and said that she's wait while I look in my phone for tethering apps. I told her I don't have any tethering apps and she told me to look again. After some back and forth, she told me that the mere existence of a tethering app on the phone was considered tethering.
Beyond the issue of tethering at the moment I'm bothered that they even know what apps are on my phone and that they might use the existence of an app as justification to alter my service.
Has anyone heard of the carrier looking at apps like this before? From a privacy standpoint, I'd like to see if there is some way to keep their nose out of my business. Anyone know of a way to keep AT&T out of my phone?
If you were to have a tethering app on your phone (and of course, you don't), what would it be? i.e., if AT&T can detect certain apps, what, do you suppose (without admitting anything incriminating), are the apps they're talking about?
I can't imagine they'd be crazy enough to surreptitiously audit the content of a subscriber's phone, and then tacitly admit to it with this sort of inquiry. But I could imagine that they can detect tethering "signatures" via snooping network traffic. For example, if you tether to a PC and use that to browse the internet, the user agent will look different than when the phone's browser is being used. Or if you left a tethering session running and they saw your phone pulling down updates for Microsoft Windows, that'd sure be a dead giveaway. There's little if any reason to pull anything off Windows Update with a phone. They could maybe get away with detecting that sort of thing since they wouldn't be looking at data content, just whether or not the data source was consistent with a smartphone or not...
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So today I got the letter in the mail from AT&T telling me that I need to stop tethering or that I'll lose my old grandfathered in unlimited data plan and be moved to plan that supports tethering and a data cap.
I called the number they gave me to get some info on what they were going to say they told me very generally that they have detected tethering and that if I don't stop by the end of the month, they will bump my plan. She gave me a laundry list of things that are considered tethering, from wifi hotspots to getting internet access for a gaming console.
I pressed very hard to find out what exactly I have done that they register as tethering more than anything I wanted specifics. She told me several times that they couldn't give out specifics as that is proprietary information. When I suggested that this might just them trying to force me onto a more expensive plan since they were unable to give me any proof that I had been tethering, she paused and said that she's wait while I look in my phone for tethering apps. I told her I don't have any tethering apps and she told me to look again. After some back and forth, she told me that the mere existence of a tethering app on the phone was considered tethering.
Beyond the issue of tethering at the moment I'm bothered that they even know what apps are on my phone and that they might use the existence of an app as justification to alter my service.
Has anyone heard of the carrier looking at apps like this before? From a privacy standpoint, I'd like to see if there is some way to keep their nose out of my business. Anyone know of a way to keep AT&T out of my phone?
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Are you on stock AT&T rom?
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While I hope for their own sake that they aren't auditing software on the devices, I suppose they could be watching what people download. For instance, some tethering apps are just not available in the Play store if you are coming from AT&T or Sprint. I could see that perhaps in one of the many TOS agreements I clicked OK on without reading there was something that said they could sniff around my phone.
I assumed they would be looking at traffic, but after being quite vague over and over again, she was very specific about a tethering app. Agreed that as soon as a PC goes online it creates all kinds of traffic that wouldn't look like a smart phone.
I am using the stock / not rooted AT&T ROM at this point. I normally root right away, but I haven't really had a need on this one.
I would root and use a different ROM if I felt like it would keep their noses out of my junk. Even if I was tethering, I'm not using a crazy amount of data so I find the whole thing pretty silly.
Now I am thinking that if they do change my tethering plan without my permission, I have to assume that I can break my contract if I want and move elsewhere. Just not sure where I could get another Note II with unlimited data at a decent price.
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While I hope for their own sake that they aren't auditing software on the devices, I suppose they could be watching what people download. For instance, some tethering apps are just not available in the Play store if you are coming from AT&T or Sprint. I could see that perhaps in one of the many TOS agreements I clicked OK on without reading there was something that said they could sniff around my phone.
I assumed they would be looking at traffic, but after being quite vague over and over again, she was very specific about a tethering app. Agreed that as soon as a PC goes online it creates all kinds of traffic that wouldn't look like a smart phone.
I am using the stock / not rooted AT&T ROM at this point. I normally root right away, but I haven't really had a need on this one.
I would root and use a different ROM if I felt like it would keep their noses out of my junk. Even if I was tethering, I'm not using a crazy amount of data so I find the whole thing pretty silly.
Now I am thinking that if they do change my tethering plan without my permission, I have to assume that I can break my contract if I want and move elsewhere. Just not sure where I could get another Note II with unlimited data at a decent price.
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Also make sure you DONT use internet explorer that is a NO NO for tethering with AT&T they see the browser agent and KNOW that`s not possible without tethering.
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Also make sure you DONT use internet explorer that is a NO NO for tethering with AT&T they see the browser agent and KNOW that`s not possible without tethering.
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Prove I haven't just changed my agent string to make the stupid app server think I'm on a windows desktop and using IE.
One of my friends pinged me 2 days ago. He got the friendly text stating tethering isn't allowed without a tether plan. No tethering on his part, just a lot of vevo traffic.
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I would love to help you, but help yourself first: ask a better question
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You could setup a linux machine at home and keep that running. Setup an SSH tunnel from your phone to your home linux box and tunnel all the tethering traffic through that. To AT&T that would just look like an encrypted ssh connection.
You could also run a Windows virtual machine on your phone. It's already been done.
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You could also run a Windows virtual machine on your phone. It's already been done.
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That wouldn't help. FIrst, I don't think there are any hardware network drivers for windows for the Note II, so it wouldn't be able to get internet. Second, If he did have internet, he would still run into the same issue of unencrypted traffic being sniffed by at&t. Sure he could setup an ssh tunnel from windows, but at that point it's just silly to run windows on the note just to encrypt traffic.
I assume one could use any VPN like the SSH tunnel or something like hotspot shield or similar as long as all traffic is forced through the tunnel and there really would be no way for anyone to tell what you are doing.
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I assume one could use any VPN like the SSH tunnel or something like hotspot shield or similar as long as all traffic is forced through the tunnel and there really would be no way for anyone to tell what you are doing.
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YA, thats the idea. As long as traffic is encrypted somehow there is little that AT&T can sniff.
DeMiNe0 said:
That wouldn't help. FIrst, I don't think there are any hardware network drivers for windows for the Note II, so it wouldn't be able to get internet. Second, If he did have internet, he would still run into the same issue of unencrypted traffic being sniffed by at&t. Sure he could setup an ssh tunnel from windows, but at that point it's just silly to run windows on the note just to encrypt traffic.
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I think he was perhaps referring to why there was traffic that looks like it originated from a PC coming from my phone. So if someone was running a VM on the phone itself it would produce some PC looking traffic. If that was the idea there, I assume tethering to a VM is still tethering?
Yeah: Provided you can run Qemu or Virtualbox you can run Windows in it, and it will have network access just like any VM would from a full sized computer. My point is that you can make a non-tethered phone generate the very same sort of IP traffic a computer would.
Heck, if the Fujitsu LOOX F-07C can run on AT&T, you don't even need a VM to generate connections to Windows Update and a desktop IE user agent!
I got the same message last week. I don't tether at all. I'm on cleanrom 4.5. Tried to request what apps they suspect me of using but wouldn't tell me either. I know all the apps I have on my phone as I keep things very simple. I will admit I do use a lot of data (4-4.5 gigs in 2 weeks lol)
I use Pandora and tunein app to stream music all the time. Only thing that I recently did out of the normal routine was use the desktop view on Google chrome. Would that give a different browser signature?
pyo said:
I got the same message last week. I don't tether at all. I'm on cleanrom 4.5. Tried to request what apps they suspect me of using but wouldn't tell me either. I know all the apps I have on my phone as I keep things very simple. I will admit I do use a lot of data (4-4.5 gigs in 2 weeks lol)
I use Pandora and tunein app to stream music all the time. Only thing that I recently did out of the normal routine was use the desktop view on Google chrome. Would that give a different browser signature?
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Yes, it would show a user-agent string without indicating mobile. But not likely something to trigger a tether notice, as I use desktop view all the time. It's likely the high data usage that makes them think tether.
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willp2 said:
So today I got the letter in the mail from AT&T telling me that I need to stop tethering or that I'll lose my old grandfathered in unlimited data plan and be moved to plan that supports tethering and a data cap.
I called the number they gave me to get some info on what they were going to say they told me very generally that they have detected tethering and that if I don't stop by the end of the month, they will bump my plan. She gave me a laundry list of things that are considered tethering, from wifi hotspots to getting internet access for a gaming console.
I pressed very hard to find out what exactly I have done that they register as tethering more than anything I wanted specifics. She told me several times that they couldn't give out specifics as that is proprietary information. When I suggested that this might just them trying to force me onto a more expensive plan since they were unable to give me any proof that I had been tethering, she paused and said that she's wait while I look in my phone for tethering apps. I told her I don't have any tethering apps and she told me to look again. After some back and forth, she told me that the mere existence of a tethering app on the phone was considered tethering.
Beyond the issue of tethering at the moment I'm bothered that they even know what apps are on my phone and that they might use the existence of an app as justification to alter my service.
Has anyone heard of the carrier looking at apps like this before? From a privacy standpoint, I'd like to see if there is some way to keep their nose out of my business. Anyone know of a way to keep AT&T out of my phone?
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To the OP, did you tether ever?
I am worried that innocent people will lose their unlmtd plan? We need to find out if their detection system is wrong?
Wait, I signed up for 2 lines around 3 or 4 months sgo and they said because I got the max 6gigs of data a month I could tether all I want. I haven't for more than 10 minutes but I have noticed that AT&T sales reps speak in half truths. I was told if I paid the 10 a month for insurance I could break it by throwing it at someone" Well I added my 2nd line 10 days later and only then found out about a $200 deductible. I was definitely never told about a high deductible upon signing with them. I dont hold back though. I had all prorated charges waived.
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DeMiNe0 said:
You could setup a linux machine at home and keep that running. Setup an SSH tunnel from your phone to your home linux box and tunnel all the tethering traffic through that. To AT&T that would just look like an encrypted ssh connection.
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That's exactly what I do and no problems thus far
Tethering detection has been discussed many times. The consensus is that they detect tethering by examining the TTL (Time-To-Live) value in the packet. When you tether a device, it shows a different TTL value than the one used in data packets sent by the phone and that's what they look for. There are other tricky things they can examine in the packet headers that can be used to detect tethering, but those are more complicated and take more effort on the part of the the wireless provider.
From what I read, it looks like SSH tunneling over a VPN would allow you to tether without detection, but I haven't heard of any definitive test on this. The biggest problem I see with that approach is that it really slows down your connection.
Here's a very technical paper that discusses tethering and methods to defeat it: Tethering Camouflage
These guys created a test app that rewrites packet data to hide tethering. In the article, they compare their method to using a VPN, which they imply will do the trick. Their opinion is that wireless providers will eventually give up on trying to enforce tethering restrictions because people will find ways to defeat it and it will cost them more than it's worth.
cyrano821 said:
That's exactly what I do and no problems thus far
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Same here got an ipcop firewall with open VPN Created certs for my mac and Android devices and no issues as of yet.