HTC Desire Original battery vs Cameron Sino 2400 vs Bilitong 1650 - General Accessories

The opinions below are based on my experience, training and the tests I carried out on the purchased batteries. I am not affiliated to or employed by any battery or phone manufacturer.
I will be happy to retest and add to this report should any supplier or manufacturer believe that I have tested faulty items and are prepared to supply me with another/others to test. The additional information will be added honestly however it tests.
Tests based on a rooted and optimised version of the official 2.3 build of the HTC desire with a standard htc desire 1A charger.
Utilities used included:
Battery monitor widget pro
Antutu battery test
The reference battery is a two year old original HTC battery which is well used but still in very good condition. Capacity reasonably tested and calculated at around 1180 - 1250mAh of the original rated 1400mAh. Given normal projected losses for li-ion batteries this seemed high for a 18-24 month old battery but as other ratings are relative to this, the other estimates should be equally on the high side if anything.
A took great care to fully charge/cycle the new batteries as described by the sellers, and did a full calibrating charge cycle on the original before rating it. Battery stats were cleared for testing as each battery was tested.
Various tests were carried out including using battery monitor widget pro to analyse any different usage/performance and estimate power of each battery in addition to using original as benchmark.
SUMMARY RESULTS (mAh accuracy expected to be +/- 15%)
Antutu test scores. Note these do not define a power rating, only relative benchmarks on the same phone in the same situation. The capacities stated result from the tests with battery monitor widget pro and compared to the confident rating of the original.
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2 year old original HTC battery claimed 1400mAh - tested 495 (approx 1200mAh)
New Cameron Sino (in loose packaging) claimed 2400mAh - tested 773 (approx 1900mAh)
New Bilitong gold in original packaging claimed 1650mAh - tested 356 (approx 850mAh)
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The Good
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The Cameron Sino tested is the first chinese battery I have tested which actually gives more (around 50% more) capacity than the good condition 2 year old original. This equates to somewhere between 1800-2000mAh for this battery. This does result in testing to a 50% longer phone life in the same use.
Its available very cheap
The large case back needed by these large batteries and as supplied by the Amazon seller is a good fit, seems good quality. Although effectively doubles the thickness of the phone is easy to hold unlike the reports of some no brand large batteries and larger covers with 'quick break' clips. It actually seems easier to hold to me than in the phones 'skinny' form. It of course feels significantly heavier.
The Bad - some seem very serious
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There is some impact on the quality of pictures taken by the deep recessed slots the pictures and flash have to pass through.
The large battery does seem to move some with a bit of a clunck felt which should be easily addressable with a small cushion pad added to the inside of the case.
The Cameron Sino battery I tested (like the bilitongs) does not seem to have proper (or at least working) control and protection electronics, in that neither the voltage or the battery temperature is correctly reported to the phone. Both report a fixed voltage of 3923mV and a relatively fixed 24.x temperature even when the phone is noticeably hot to the touch.
Both the Cameron Sino and the Bilitongs seem unwilling to report a 100% charge. Both stick at 99% although I have seen 100% on the Cameron Sino once, which may have been a very minor phone calibration error rather than the battery actually reporting 100%.
Both the Cameron Sino and Bilitong batteries demonstrated erratic battery % left (which is all they really reported) sometimes going back up significantly after being in light use and often dropping very sharply in reasonable use (wifi and browsing with bright screen).
The original did not do this to any noticeable level, always showing consistent and accurate % remaining, and as the original also reported accurately full range battery voltage and temperature, so is in a vastly higher league in its status reporting and presumably safety.
It seems to me that in both the Cameron Sino and Billitong batteries, the proper control and protection circuitry is replaced by a something akin to a simple resistor/diode type setup which is just enough to fool the phone into actually using these batteries rather than reject them as faulty as would occur if there was nothing on these circuits.
Its worthy of note that the standbye/self-discharge rate on the none-original batteries (all) is actually higher than the original with full protection circuitry - adding to the view that there are something like low quality resistors replacing the control circuitry.
This means that I cant see how any any over or under voltage or over temperature protection is done with the 'compatible' batteries potentially increasing the risk of damage to the phone.
The Ugly?
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Ok with the Cameron Sino its twice as thick and a fair bit heavier. But I don't see this as a great issue. It sits nicer in the hand in my view and I'm Less likely to loose it by dropping it un-noticed.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
So my personal views in summary.
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Based on the one I received, the Cameron Sino will give 50% better capacity than a good condition 2 year old original.
Presumably the gains would be significantly less over a new original HTC battery, and more over a worn out original.
Beware of the apparent lack of protection and control, the increased weight/size and possible camera problems.
If you are using the standard phone software, you could get much better increases by installing one of the optimised versions of the HTC builds available freely from the developer forums. I gained over 50% on the usable life per charge just from installing one of these, and ensuring things like gps and wifi were switched off unless I needed them. (at the touch of an icon).
Even if you don't do this, the latest official HTC 'radio reportedly improves power use significantly over older versions.
*** Do any of these at your own risk and after properly investigating the options.
Finally, I would strongly suggest you completely avoid the Bilitong batteries just as much as the unbranded chinese batteries, which in my experience are unlikely to give much better than 850mAh (whatever they claim) when new and very quickly fade, let alone the apparent lack of proper control and protection electronics (seemingly shared by the Cameron Sino).

Gonna amend the overall view with the following:
As the Cameron battery had 2-3 times the standby/low use drain of the original battery resulting in far more battery drain overnight and when the phone is simply being carried around, the extended capacity would be of far less use to those looking for extra days of light use between charges, and would only be really effective for extending heavy use in a single day.
I have already gone back to using the old original battery.
Possibly use one of the crappy Bilitongs when using GPS in the car in a windscreen cradle as the phone can get quite hot there and I want to minimise hot use of the good battery.

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[REF]Battery guide. Capacity claims evaluated with standalone tester (UPDATED 04/12)

SUMMARY:
china1800, jindian1900 and andida1850 sold on ebay is a SCAM. The real capacity of these batteries is less then 1300mAH. Instead, for the same $10 on ebay you can get two spare batteries at roughly the same capacity and a charger. Capacity of newly available on ebay extended size batteries for captivate (cptvt3500_1) is also overblown, but for $10 a pop you get a battery with 2100mAH worth of juice. It is 40% improvement over stock
TERMS:
( See picture of the battery inside LiIonTester.zip file. Each tag below has corresponding picture file inside LiIonTester.zip)
1) china1800_1 – Battery advertised on ebay as 1800mAH:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1800mAh-Samsung-...item230c6fa877
2) china1500_1 - Battery sold on ebay and advertised as 1500mAH
http://cgi.ebay.com/1500mAh-NEW-BAT...974810?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item483cef829a
3) china1500_2 - Another battery sold on ebay and advertised as 1500mAH. My coworker gave me two to test. Both performed similarly
http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-1500mAh-Batt...086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa7cc8bb6
4) china1500_3 - Another battery sold on ebay and advertised as 1500mAH
http://cgi.ebay.com/2pcs-1500mAh-Ba...037707?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a0c4d960b
5) jindian1900_1 - Jin Dian battery sold on ebay and advertised as 1900mAH
http://cgi.ebay.com/1900mAH-Battery...972297?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a0cb76649
6) andida1850_1 - Battery advertised as 1850mAH sold by Obostore
http://www.obostore.com/1850mah-andida-spare-battery-for-samsung-galaxy-s-p-315.html
7) samsung1500_1 – OEM Samsung battery came with my phone ( after 6 months of use )
8) china3500_1 - Extended size I9000 battery ( Doesn't fit Samsung Captivate
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-3500Mah-EXT...669711?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item56423fdf8f
9) cptvt3500_1 - Extended size battery for Samsung Captivate requires new battery door
http://cgi.ebay.com/High-extended-3...774?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3366c99fce
10) cstm2600_1 - Custom battery I fabricated myself from two highest performing standard size batteries in my arsenal: china1500_1 and andida1850_1. See "custom_battery" folder inside LiIonTester.zip for pictures and DIY guide for the build
TEST RESULTS:
Capacity(10oHM) column is what you care about the most
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See “more detail” below to know how 10oHM and 50oHM loads effect the test.
See LiIonTester.zip for all test data
TEST SETUP:
The batteries were tested with special circuit outside the phone. This is a true battery capacity test. Results are not skewed by the installed custom ROM, overclocking, varies apps and interfaces that can be on, usage pattern or out of whack battery stats of the phone.
Li-Ion batteries operate between 2900mV and 4200mV. 4200mV is fully charged and 2900mV is fully drained. Battery tester works within the normal operating range.
The setup consists of the discharge circuit, microcontroller board with the potentiometers(voltage meters) and LCD. Discharge circuit is just a power resister wired across the battery and power FET( transistor) turns the circuit on and off. Transistor is controlled by microcontroller that monitors the voltage drop, calculates the current and controls the test. Test stops when voltage drops to 2900mV.
See my rig's schematic and pics in the attachment below
MORE DETAIL:
samsung1500_1 after 6 months of use still put out 1426mAH in my test environment. china1800_1 puts out only 1275mAH after 1 month of use. Li-Ion battery real world capacity depends slightly on the rate of discharge. The faster the discharge, the lower the effective capacity. In my tester circuit the discharge rate is 370mA per hour. It takes roughly 4 hours to drain the batteries. This is within the spec, but on the higher side. One of my co-workers suggested that cheap chinese batteries might actually have the same chemical capacity, but due to sub-par manufacturing process, internal resistance is more negatively effected by the higher discharge rate then higher quality Samsung OEMs. To check out this theory, swapped 10oHM resistor for 50oHM. This change decreased the current to ~74mA. It improved achievable capacity, but only marginally. Improvement was within my earlier expectations.
Cycling of the new battery doesn't change capacity, but it does effect phone’s circuitry that estimates the charge. To the end user, it appears that battery improves over time. It really doesn't. Estimators within the device get smarter as they learn the properties of the battery installed:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
china1500_1 put out 1323mAH, but it was only advertised at 1500mAH and sold for pennies, so I am not complaining. The one weird problem I ran in with china1500_1 was its voltage unexpected collapse. During drain cycle voltage went down slowly to 2800mV and then precipitously dropped to zero and stayed there. Other two batteries, drained normally down to 2700mV and after the load was removed voltage went right back above 3000mV. It turns out china1500_1 has battery overcharge/undercharge protection circuit that shuts itself off at 2800mV. This observation was the part of the reason for minimum voltage change to 2900mV.
UPDATE: 04/17/2010
* Added DIY guide on how to build custom extended size battery from two individual standard size batteries. See "custom_battery" folder inside LiIonTester.zip
UPDATE: 04/12/2010
* Build & tested my own extended size battery. See "custom_battery" folder inside LiIonTester.zip for more pictures from the build
* Tested I9000 extended size battery
* Tested Newly available Captivate Extended Size battery
UPDATE: 02/14/2010
* Tested Andida 1850mah battery
* Included CuriousTech test results in LiIoinTester.zip. CuriousTech tested Original battery, Mugen and Andida using RC charger/discharger. His results are not apple to apple comparison with mine, but very useful when you compare it to each other.
UPDATE: 01/21/2010
* Tested Jin Dian 1900mah battery
* Tested another 1500mah battery advertised as G7
* Andida 1850mAH battery is in the mail.
http://www.obostore.com/1850mah-andida-spare-battery-for-samsung-galaxy-s-p-315.html
UPDATE: 01/15/2010
* Tested another 1500mAH battery. My co-worker bought and gave it to me to run the test.
* Upped test minimum voltage by 200mV to 2900mV to be on the safe side. Remaining battery capacity below 2900mV is only 2mAH. This residual capacity is consistent among different batteries so it should not skew the results
* Added slow discharge rate test to show capacity variation range
Hm. Wish I read this before making my purchase.
I guess it'll be good as a gimpy back up when I'm out all day.
Good write up. Thanks
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Should have posted this in the existing thread in the Accessories subforum.
Excellent review
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I'm assuming that 2700mV is the min voltage required for the phone to run, correct? If so, where did you find that information?
nappent said:
I'm assuming that 2700mV is the min voltage required for the phone to run, correct? If so, where did you find that information?
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2700mV is fully drained battery. At that point your phone will not turn on without plugging the charger. There plenty of reference material on the web that point to this number. Here is wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
To put together my tester I used following design, with some of my own modifications. It also references 2700mV
http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-True-Battery-Capacity-Tester-Li-IonNiMH/
Now, if you look at the data in .xls file, notice that the battery outputs only 3mah as the voltage drops from 3000mV to 2700mV. This is the same in china1800 and samsung1500. So, it might be worth while to modify my rig to stop the test at 3000mV.
This is such good information.
Thank you VERY much for taking your time to write up a detailed result from testing each battery.
Looking forward to your verdict on the 1900mAH.
Thanked the original threaded. Much deserved.
I read in one of the threads that the first 2 or 3 discharges were really bad but after there the battery began performing better.
did your run this test on a brand new one or one that has been cycled a few times?
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xfosx said:
I read in one of the threads that the first 2 or 3 discharges were really bad but after there the battery began performing better.
did your run this test on a brand new one or one that has been cycled a few times?
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Cycling of the new Li-ion battery has no effect on the battery capacity, therefore it has no effect on my tester. When new battery is discharged/re-charged couple of times circuitry within the phone learns about the true battery capacity and device battery life improves. Here more info on that
http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
I used 1800mah Chinese battery for one month, at which point I really wanted to validate the capacity claims and so I did the research.
Awesome work. can you test some of the claimed 3000mah and 3500mah extended batteries?
Also not sure if you have heard about the SGS Armani that supposedly comes with a 1650mah battery stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886743
Great info, thanks for doing this! Can't wait to see the 1900 review.
Great info, just what I was looking for. I look forward to your 1900mah battery review. Also if you get the chance, could you test the acclaimed 1850 battery?
obostore.com/1850mah-andida-spare-battery-for-samsung-galaxy-s-p-315.html
lokhor: I believe this Armani battery is the one to watch. The only rating's claim that seem to connect to reality is Samsung's OEM.
1900mah battery is in the mail. Should be testing it in a week or two
Heh, my 1900 mAh is in the mail too. We'll see, though I do not keep any hope, really.
slvr00gt said:
2700mV is fully drained battery. At that point your phone will not turn on without plugging the charger. There plenty of reference material on the web that point to this number. Here is wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
To put together my tester I used following design, with some of my own modifications. It also references 2700mV
http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-True-Battery-Capacity-Tester-Li-IonNiMH/
Now, if you look at the data in .xls file, notice that the battery outputs only 3mah as the voltage drops from 3000mV to 2700mV. This is the same in china1800 and samsung1500. So, it might be worth while to modify my rig to stop the test at 3000mV.
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So this is not actually based off of specs from Samsung saying that our Captivate phone need X amount for the system to run. Keep in mind that I'm wanting to know what is the minimum amount of voltage for the phone to keep operating rather then for a phone to turn. People want to know how long a battery is going to last from 100% until the phone's internal system forces it to shut down. Its good you are doing these test but we can't really say for certainty that either battery is good or not. Let keep in mind for every one doing tests like this you really need to take and test more then just one battery for each brand. Each manufacture is going to produce bad batteries in every batch... which is very easy to do if you look over the process of producing a Lithium-Ion battery. One mistake and the battery can easily fall below the intended specifications. It just depend if the manufacture is going to catch those bad batteries or not. OEM batteries likely have a lower chance of a bad or low performing battery to be release because Samsung likely requires more testing of each battery or batch of batteries. I can't say that for 100% certainty.
I've by no mean want to test batteries to the degree I recommend above as I really don't have the time or resources to do it. On the other had I've been using the 1800mAh battery for over 2 weeks now and it works at least 10hours longer (40-50 hours total) then my OEM battery (30-40 hours). So does that mean my OEM battery is bad or is it that the 1800mAh battery is just better as the sellers claim? We won't really know because we haven't done any extensive testing. Let just not jump the gun too quickly because one battery was tested.
I don't mean to be a jerk or anything... just my $0.02. And just for the record, I am no way promoting to buy a aftermarket/extended battery... Honestly you really should stick with a OEM battery as it has the lowest possibility of causing damage to your phone.
nappent said:
I've been using the 1800mAh battery for over 2 weeks now and it works at least 10hours longer (40-50 hours total) then my OEM battery (30-40 hours). So does that mean my OEM battery is bad or
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I would really like to keep this thread free from comments such as "My phone lasted this much longer" It is hearsay. It doesn't really help much and discussed to death in other threads.
On the other hand, I was waiting for somebody to bring up sample size. It is a valid point. I only tested one battery. So, if you believe your battery lasts longer and you want to help out, send it to me and I will test it! If you include self-addressed and stamped envelop, I will send the battery back to you after test is done. PM me for more details
slvr00gt said:
I would really like to keep this thread free from comments such as "My phone lasted this much longer" It is hearsay. It doesn't really help much and discussed to death in other threads.
On the other hand, I was waiting for somebody to bring up sample size. It is a valid point. I only tested one battery. So, if you believe your battery lasts longer and you want to help out, send it to me and I will test it! If you include self-addressed and stamped envelop, I will send the battery back to you after test is done. PM me for more details
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i think that might be the issue here...but i honestly think that this battery can be good...if 5ish people are getting these results...im thinking there might be something quirky making it better (ITS MAGIC!!) jkjk...i might get one to put in my 2 cents
sjavvaji said:
i think that might be the issue here...but i honestly think that this battery can be good...if 5ish people are getting these results...im thinking there might be something quirky making it better (ITS MAGIC!!) jkjk...i might get one to put in my 2 cents
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No offense but chinese quality control is a joke. It's like a lottery.
No doubt in my mind the value (performance/cost) is still better than OEM. Please don't expect the miracle that the capacity is as advertised. Just use it as a emergency/backup battery and be happy.
I think there might be a quality control issue here because I am having excellent results with the chinese battery.
I can't wait for the 1900mah test. I found that battery after I placed the order for the 1800.
Thats almost 27% claimed over stock. That would be a significant increase if its true.
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Bigger battery

Anybody can think of a battery that has more mah but same physical size as the one this device currently rocks? Would be awesome if we could fit the battery of the latest moto device but I believe that one is thinner.
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Swapping batteries in from other devices is a bad idea... Not only are they not likely to fit inside the case (check out some teardowns of the OP3) but the dash charge is calibrated for your battery, not for some other battery. Putting in a different capacity battery can cause some pretty hefty damage... Do some research into battery tech, these batteries generally have as much power capacity as physically possible based on the battery chemistry, you won't find a (legit) battery with a higher capacity of the same dimensions.
Remember those hoverboards that seemed to spontaneously ignite at random? more often than not it was due to poor wiring, faulty batteries, or being charged / discharged at a rate greater than what was designed for.
Give it a couple weeks / months I'm sure there will be a battery case developed for the OP3 but with how quickly this phone charges its designed to be topped up semi-regularly instead of charged once and run all day (or multiple days).
I've heard people say they are on transit for long periods of time and don't have access to a outlet, try looking for a battery bank to charge your phone if you feel the need...
And yeah, I wish they made the phone just a LITTLE thicker and put a larger battery in it. Really, I don't need a phone thin as a pancake, it could have been the same size as the OP2, ONE extra millimeter could fit more power, removed the silly "camera bump", and not impacted feel or ergonomics in any meaningful way.

[BATTERY MODS SUMMARY THREAD] So, about battery replacements...

Hello there, Nexus 5 enthusiasts.
It's been quite a while since we talked about it and people reported regularly about their battery replacements here on XDA for their nexus 5.
With this thread I'm just going to try and ask for help to the modding community, as I've been through hell and back, and after many batteries purchased, dremel quests, soldering smokes, fingers burned and quite a bit of swearing, I'm still here, stuck with a provisory battery (the only LG G2 one that managed to not die) that boasts the astonishing capacity of 1630mAh.
I've become a walking charger man, always looking for the next electric socket to plug my N5 into.
This has to stop.
So I gave up my search engines quest and I'm asking for your human help.
I'm picturing this thread as some kind of "summary thread", in which we sum up our experiences and our successes, and see what works and what doesn't.
Please post your experience in here if you've been successful in extending your Nexus 5 battery life with a battery mod, and please indicate where you bought the battery (paste the shop link)
So, as far as I understand, it looks like:
° Some korean guy bought the 525666 3020 mAh battery from taobao and managed to slam it into the N5 dremeling the chassis. This option, however, isn't viable, as european and american people cannot have batteries shipped to them from China (something about safety regulations), so we Westerners cannot adopt this solution.
° The LG g2's 3000 mAh batteries are too old and will yield abysmal charge (see my experience with it). On top of that, there's virtually no way to know if you're receiving an original one
° Someone said that the N5X batteries are a viable option, and 2700mAh are enough.
° Looking through these N5 battery replacement threads, I've come to know that the 3020 525666 battery from taobao is actually the Xiaomi Mi4 battery. Is this true? If it is, westerners could purchase one outside taobao on ebay or amazon or similar. Would purchasing the Mi4 battery and modding it with the original N5 battery circuit be a good solution? However the voltage of this battery is 4.40V, much higher than the 3.8V of the original. Is this okay or not?
The N5X option is certainly viable, however before spending more money, I'd like to make all the options clear for me and for all the people that are still interested in this mod.
Calling up @234herobrine432 and all the others
The Modders Battery Talk.
The truth is you can do the Lg G2 battery mod on a lot of batteries (And devices) it source doesn't need to be the Lg G2 battery and the destination doesn't need to be the Nexus 5. The main things you should consider are the Voltage and the Dimensions of the battery:
Voltage: You want the SAME as the OEM
mAh: Higher means longer lasting(Not always but assuming the Wh rating is also higher in the battery)
Wh: Same as OEM or Higher
As for how you can use a 4.4V battery to replace the 3.8V phone. The answer is simple the 3.8V is the nominal voltage rating of the LiPo battery meaning that the power delivery of it is actually between 4.35V and 3.0V (as stated on the OEM Battery). So the fully charged battery will output 4.35V that said if you put a 4.4V battery in a phone that's rated for 3.8V the circuit will stop charging the battery at 4.35V. That said the 4.4V minimum voltage is almost the same but a higher maximum voltage I.e 4.4V vs 4.35V. So Tl:dr you can but it's not the best idea.
Now since you want to get more battery capacity, look at alternative LiPo Batteries for batteries that will fit into the Nexus 5. A good starting point would be BL-T32 and BL-T34. Dimensions might not be exactly the same as I have yet to try but the battery itself will work. Alternatively assuming you have a 3d printer you could just get away with printing a new backplate and don't have to worry about the Dimensions of the new battery.
As for sites I've used for OEMs are (Made account to answer to this so can't post hyperlinks):
spareslg.com => Nexus 5X OEM battery
globaldirectparts.com => LG G2 OEM Battery
Hope this Helps.
copy pasted from my other reply, i just wanna share my thoughts. i bought a 3rd party battery straight from their official seller, here it is called SHOPEE.com: LOG-ON battery, claims to have 3500mah, which i doubt. but the good thing is, i found a manufactured stickered on physical battery 04/2018. so yea, might as well buy third party one. it is newer, less hassle. and in dollar, its about $4 shipped.
Hello sir i found one battery in aliexpress.com claiming to have 3500 mah capacity which is compatible with nexus 5 blt9 variety. Can i be able to use that extra juice? Does the system detects the extra battery capacity? Is there any modifications like flashing zip or terminal command to be made to make it work? Will it be useful? I'm pasting the link with the reply.i hope I'll get a reply
HSABAT 3500mAh BL-T9 for LG Google Nexus 5 Battery E980 Nexus G D820 D821 Nexus5 Megalodon D8 for LG Nexus 5 Battery
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/tOhxSk9E
Chinese Batteries Explained.
There are 3 Major Common Battery Mislabelers in China:
LOSONCOER
HSABAT
DA DA XIONG
Lets break down what each of them do:
TL;DR: POLARCELL for aftermarket batteries don't trust any of these 3.
HSABAT: Buys and sells lower end OEM batteries. When a company I.e samsung/google/apple or any brand orders a batch of batteries they are tested and the batch is ranked based on the tests. Normally higher end brands only accept the best batches. So the mid tier batches end up being bidded on by battery sellers or other resellers. HSABAT is one of these resellers. Except the batches that are normally bid on are 4-6 so the first 3 are normally bought off by the time HSABAT gets access to these for bids and might not even win the tier 4 and only the tier 6. So the batteries are Mislabeled Batteries none the less. I.e they are much lower capacity then stated but they are made at the same plant the OEM are made at.
Da Da Xiong: These guys buy USED OEM batteries and relabel them as well as joining on the bids for the lower tier batteries against HSABAT. I.e they are mislabeled if you lucky its a used OEM.
LOSONCOER: Same as first 2 but doesn't have as much sales so tends to be even lower end then the other 2. I.e doesn't have the profit needed for major bids. Also goes as far as to tell people that the readings are wrong and not to rip off the labels of the batteries to reveal the OEM logo to avoid unrest and lower reviews.
For people still looking for good batteries and dont live in the EU so PolarCell batteries are quite expensive should check out NOHON. They Ship for much cheaper then polarcell and this is my third battery that is indeed greater then the min of 2220mAh.
I recently purchased a PolarCell off eBay from the EU. Lets hope it makes it.
thirdlobe said:
I recently purchased a PolarCell off eBay from the EU. Lets hope it makes it.
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PolarCell battery came in and in the phone. Based off 3 charging sessions it looks the battery health is 89%. Better than the 87% I had but it does seem to consume as a slower rate.

How to maintain optimal battery performance?

I did not use any applications supporting / suggesting exploitation activities. In general, I try to minimize the amount of all apk.
I was charging the battery slowly from the computer's USB port. For over 2 years, the Redmi 4x phone with a mega-large Li-Po battery, about 4100 mAh, practically does not stick out from the new one. According to the AccuBattery application, its current approximate capacity is about 3915 mAh.
https://imgur.com/a/mJxqfM0
I also never needed a particularly high demand for electricity. Simple conversations or several websites you have checked on the Internet. Most of the time in wakefulness or rummaging around in settings
Sony XA2, unfortunately, has a much smaller battery and, in addition, not Li-Ion, but Li-Pol, but still quite large when it comes to this price range and dimensions.
I believe that a smartphone with a battery> 3300 mAh misses the point and it is an absolute minimum. It's a pity there is no Amoled screen then the runtime would be even longer. Back to the topic:
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The same application suggests disconnecting the charging at 80%, is it worth doing? Thus, the number of charging cycles increases, on the other hand, it is said that it is worth not to fully charge the Li-Po battery. Perhaps it would be more optimal to 90%?
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similarly with discharge ... to 0, as it used to be, even not allowed!
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What other apps do you use? What's worth your attention and doesn't need too many permissions?

Anyone replaced battery yet

If so how did it go?
sutty86 said:
If so how did it go?
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haven't done that (yet), but it was good to see that here in Singapore there is a Huawei service center that offers original battery replacement for a reasonable price.
we recently did a battery replacement for my gf's Moto G5 Plus, but so far looks like the (non-original) replacement isn't up to par...
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If so how did it go?
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There are starred reviews on aliexpress that reflect customer experiences with battery replacement. From what I've read these customers are well content with the renewed battery strength. You might want to take a look.
No absolutely not needed.. Why when the phone will last the longest of all smartphones?
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
No absolutely not needed.. Why when the phone will last the longest of all smartphones?
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depends how long and how hard uve been using it i guess. im currently down to roughly 4500 mAh, thus 90% of the original 5000 mAh capacity. still super happy with the SOT im getting though
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
No absolutely not needed.. Why when the phone will last the longest of all smartphones?
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That's far from accurate. There are phones with 6000 even 18,000 mah capacities. For example the Samsung Galaxy M31 has 6000 mah.
Mah numbers stated on batteries are just that, numbers. There are phones with even lower battery capacities that outlast higher battery capacity phones by several hours including the 20x as yt video showdowns between different phones demonstrate. No doubt, although a higher mah indicates greater battery life generally, relatively speaking, battery life overall depends more on what's determined by the interaction among software, voltage and hardware than what's stated on the battery.
It's not just a drop in mAh's that warrant replacement. If there's any detected battery swelling the battery needs replaced asap.
The risk of a thermal runaway event increases dramatically with a damaged (swollen) Li battery.
This can happen even with a new battery.
The swelling can possibly damage the phone as well, without going supernova, by putting pressure on surrounding components... like the display.
jbmc83 said:
depends how long and how hard uve been using it i guess. im currently down to roughly 4500 mAh, thus 90% of the original 5000 mAh capacity. still super happy with the SOT im getting though
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Your dropped battery capacity isn't surprising but natural during the course of its use. My own battery has a capacity of just shy of 4700, somewhere in the neighborhood of 4630 last time I checked.
As you stated, your battery was at one point at a full 5000 mah and lost 10% of its capacity to what's presently 4500. But just so you know, your battery is not precisely filled to 5000 mah right out the factory. In reality its always less than whats stated; the reason being is that batteries differ in capacity during manufacturing mostly to cut costs. Battery manufacturers round the numbers to the nearest hundredth or thousandth to read batteries easier. Hope this helps.
blackhawk said:
It's not just a drop in mAh's that warrant replacement. If there's any detected battery swelling the battery needs replaced asap.
The risk of a thermal runaway event increases dramatically with a damaged (swollen) Li battery.
This can happen even with a new battery.
The swelling can possibly damage the phone as well, without going supernova, by putting pressure on surrounding components... like the display.
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Correct. This is why within the battery, cells are damaged which skip proper readings by the amount equal to the amount of juice generated by the lost, damaged cell.
Deanro said:
Correct. This is why within the battery, cells are damaged which skip proper readings by the amount equal to the amount of juice generated by the lost, damaged cell.
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This is what a typical Li polymer battery used in cell phones looks like.
There's no hard case to contain it so any internal pressure immediately becomes an issue.
Swelling in the cell it's self will distort the structure of the cell and alter it permanently.
A sealed plastic bag surrounds it to hold any vented gases or goo.
It's just one cell and it's rolled construction is similar to a capacitor.
It's alarmingly flimsy... and packed with energy.
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That's far from accurate. There are phones with 6000 even 18,000 mah capacities. For example the Samsung Galaxy M31 has 6000 mah.
Mah numbers stated on batteries are just that, numbers. There are phones with even lower battery capacities that outlast higher battery capacity phones by several hours including the 20x as yt video showdowns between different phones demonstrate. No doubt, although a higher mah indicates greater battery life generally, relatively speaking, battery life overall depends more on what's determined by the interaction among software, voltage and hardware than what's stated on the battery.
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Sorry man you not right
No there is no any smartphone with 6000mAh Batteey you too naive to believe lies and fake statements from china That is complete crap what you saying that lower capacity batt will outperform battery with larger capacity.. Where do you live boy?
I will explain you about the batteries ok?
As I know about batteries. Li-ion batteries has best density
Speaking of cell density batteries there would have to be new design and new technology.
For more battery cells you obviously need larger battery ! THAT'S WHY Mate 20 X / Honor Note 10 battery is the largest from all.
Battery Size
Although higher-capacity batteries generally last longer than lower-capacity ones, they are not always suitable for use in every device. To achieve a higher capacity, battery makers often have to fit more cells into each battery. Cells are the parts of a battery in which the chemical reaction needed to generate electricity happens. Increasing a battery's cell count can in turn increase both the size and weight of the battery, making it unsuitable for use in slimline devices such as smaller cell phones and netbooks. The temperature and speed of electrical current discharge affects the overall capacity of the battery. Poorly made batteries often heat up too quickly resulting in performance issues or degraded capacity.
To calculate a battery's life, divide the capacity of the battery by the current required by the object it powers. For example, imagine that you have two batteries for your cell phone, one with a capacity of 1000 mAh and one with a capacity of 2000 mAh, and that your phone requires a current of 200 mA to function. The first battery would power the phone for five hours, as 1000 divided by 200 equals five. But the second battery would power the phone for ten hours, as it has double the capacity of the first. While a larger number indicates battery power, larger mAh batteries may not be better if it is a poor quality battery. It simply means it can store more power.
Cell phone battery life is heavily dependent on the way in which you use the phone. The more features you run at the same time on your phone, the more current your phone requires and the quicker the battery's capacity drains. This is why using WiFi or running complex games on your phone drains the battery quickly. As such, a battery with a high capacity that is used to power a smartphone might last for less time than a low-capacity battery that powers a basic device.
blackhawk said:
It's not just a drop in mAh's that warrant replacement. If there's any detected battery swelling the battery needs replaced asap.
The risk of a thermal runaway event increases dramatically with a damaged (swollen) Li battery.
This can happen even with a new battery.
The swelling can possibly damage the phone as well, without going supernova, by putting pressure on surrounding components... like the display.
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The battery will most likely get swollen becuse stupid ppl will take their phones into shower where is humid and steam and it will obviously get inside phone remember 20X isn't ip68 and even ip68 phones can suffer if the phone is in humidity environment...
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If the phone is in freezing cold place so the frost will pass through no matter how proof device is and then when you take it to warm environment straight away inside phone and battery the freeze will turn into water and short and create battery to swollen becuse of the reaction ...
jbmc83 said:
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epends how long and how hard uve been using it i guess. im currently down to roughly 4500 mAh, thus 90% of the original 5000 mAh capacity. still super happy with the SOT im getting though
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Since summer 2019
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
The battery will most likely get swollen becuse stupid ppl will take their phones into shower where is humid and steam and it will obviously get inside phone remember 20X isn't ip68 and even ip68 phones can suffer if the phone is in humidity environment...
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If the phone is in freezing cold place so the frost will pass through no matter how proof device is and then when you take it to warm environment straight away inside phone and battery the freeze will turn into water and short and create battery to swollen becuse of the reaction ...
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You're right about the waterproofing, don't test it.
It might work...
In my case it wasn't abused and I was lucky it didn't take out my Note 10+'s display.
Heat and/or rapid discharging can cause it.
Or a bad copy from the factory.
Or simply accumulative damage over time and insults. I live in the desert so heat is omnipresent. I try to keep it cool especially when charging.
My phone has never been cold charged or even close to damp. Cold charging (>40°F) can trigger a run away thermal event or cause permanent damage.
Charging in temperatures under 72°F can cause Li plating which permanently degrades the cell.
blackhawk said:
You're right about the waterproofing, don't test it.
It might work...
In my case it wasn't abused and I was lucky it didn't take out my Note 10+'s display.
Heat and/or rapid discharging can cause it.
Or a bad copy from the factory.
Or simply accumulative damage over time and insults. I live in the desert so heat is omnipresent. I try to keep it cool especially when charging.
My phone has never been cold charged or even close to damp. Cold charging (>40°F) can trigger a run away thermal event or cause permanent damage.
Charging in temperatures under 72°F can cause Li plating which permanently degrades the cell.
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Well Xiaomi preparing something huge about smartphone battery so I am interested what it is gonna be...
Xiaomi to introduce revolutionary battery for Mi 11 Ultra and all-new in-house chip on March 29
The power cell will be silicon-oxygen, while the chip is likely an ISP for the liquid lens. Xiaomi is going big with its March 29 event. The company will...
www.gsmarena.com
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
Well Xiaomi preparing something huge about smartphone battery so I am interested what it is gonna be...
Xiaomi to introduce revolutionary battery for Mi 11 Ultra and all-new in-house chip on March 29
The power cell will be silicon-oxygen, while the chip is likely an ISP for the liquid lens. Xiaomi is going big with its March 29 event. The company will...
www.gsmarena.com
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It's likely to be surging with something
Aorus Mini-ITX RiG said:
Sorry man you not right
No there is no any smartphone with 6000mAh Batteey you too naive to believe lies and fake statements from china That is complete crap what you saying that lower capacity batt will outperform battery with larger capacity.. Where do you live boy?
I will explain you about the batteries ok?
As I know about batteries. Li-ion batteries has best density
Speaking of cell density batteries there would have to be new design and new technology.
For more battery cells you obviously need larger battery ! THAT'S WHY Mate 20 X / Honor Note 10 battery is the largest from all.
Battery Size
Although higher-capacity batteries generally last longer than lower-capacity ones, they are not always suitable for use in every device. To achieve a higher capacity, battery makers often have to fit more cells into each battery. Cells are the parts of a battery in which the chemical reaction needed to generate electricity happens. Increasing a battery's cell count can in turn increase both the size and weight of the battery, making it unsuitable for use in slimline devices such as smaller cell phones and netbooks. The temperature and speed of electrical current discharge affects the overall capacity of the battery. Poorly made batteries often heat up too quickly resulting in performance issues or degraded capacity.
To calculate a battery's life, divide the capacity of the battery by the current required by the object it powers. For example, imagine that you have two batteries for your cell phone, one with a capacity of 1000 mAh and one with a capacity of 2000 mAh, and that your phone requires a current of 200 mA to function. The first battery would power the phone for five hours, as 1000 divided by 200 equals five. But the second battery would power the phone for ten hours, as it has double the capacity of the first. While a larger number indicates battery power, larger mAh batteries may not be better if it is a poor quality battery. It simply means it can store more power.
Cell phone battery life is heavily dependent on the way in which you use the phone. The more features you run at the same time on your phone, the more current your phone requires and the quicker the battery's capacity drains. This is why using WiFi or running complex games on your phone drains the battery quickly. As such, a battery with a high capacity that is used to power a smartphone might last for less time than a low-capacity battery that powers a basic device.
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Youre not bright when it comes to the subject of battery and 1000% wrong yet again. The Samsung Galaxy M31 is korean which you mistakingly think is chinese and has a 6000 mah battery which I'm sure youre too afraid to verify in google. The Helio P70 has a 18000 mah battery which of course you deny since you dont operate in our reality.
Longer capacity batteries dont guarantee a longer lasting life than lower capacity ones. Case in point, the iphone xr with 2940 mah equals the note 9 with 4000 mah as this yt video proves:
Youre trying hard to be relevant by trying to edge out people's comments with your nonsense. Being negative and insulting others violate forum rules which doesnt win you friends here. I reported you to the mods btw. Guys like you dont last long here. Be educated before you look foolish again.
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blackhawk said:
This is what a typical Li polymer battery used in cell phones looks like.
There's no hard case to contain it so any internal pressure immediately becomes an issue.
Swelling in the cell it's self will distort the structure of the cell and alter it permanently.
A sealed plastic bag surrounds it to hold any vented gases or goo.
It's just one cell and it's rolled construction is similar to a capacitor.
It's alarmingly flimsy... and packed with energy.
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Very cool. I once actually saw the insides of a battery that exploded which was not a good look. The owner stopped buying that brand as a result. LMAO
Deanro said:
Very cool. I once actually saw the insides of a battery that exploded which was not a good look. The owner stopped buying that brand as a result. LMAO
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As you see they are somewhat fragile. I inadvertently ripped right into the active layer before I knew it after I removed the outer bag
Crazy. A fruity smelling solvent was also present. I wiped down my hands even though I sensed nothing; caustic burns are the worst.
It's a good idea to have little charge on these when >gently< removing them.
I'm not as comfortable with these packs as I was before, ignorance is bliss... until it starts smoking.

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