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Anybody found anything useful on how to speed up this slow bugger? ive tried cleaner ROMS, wm 6.1, changing the pp, and doing the usual reg hacks for changing the glyph, font, and file system cache as high as they will go but...its still so slow all the time!
for a dual-core, brand new device...i was really expecting more.
anything anyone?
thanks.
You say it's slow but in what sense though..
Also, if you expect it to be PC fast then we all know it's not going to happen. Also, fast could be referring to personal preference (I think), cuz my device is fast in terms of menu responded in timely manner, connection is good enough. For most part, I don't have to wait 8 seconds for something to show up after I clicked it. But some programs I have require a little time to load like sprint tv it takes about 3 seconds.
Also, checkout HTC Performance, some say it worked on Touch some say it doesnt due to dual core in touch.
Good luck.
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You say it's slow but in what sense though..
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i mean that when i click "settings" in the start menu, i have to wait a good 3-4 seconds before it comes up, and another 3 seconds before it will respond. on a clean stock rom, 6.1, or dcd's 0.2.0 rom. messaging is (slightly?) slow to open...
not sure what other specific things there are. the device just seems to be overall sluggish.
thanks for the tip on the htc performance, i will give that a shot and see.
i just wish wizcode could put out their v5 build that supports the 7500 chipset! looks like the wait for a faster device and longer battery is still about a month off sadly...
HTC Performance won't work on the qualcomm processor in your device. I haven't seen any word yet on an overclocker for the qualcomm chips.
I find the vogue quite fast, but not as fast as my 624mhz dell axim x50v with wm6
thats stinkin fast.
My Mogul was faster then the damn Touch guys, come on... half as much RAM, otherwise, same hardware. Explain THAT. If HTC would just get off their collective asses and release the video drivers...
I agree, my XV6700 (WM6, Helmi) was quite a bit faster at some things.
I hate the lag I'm seeing on some of the buttons (end call for one even with hack to speed it up) and others.
trehouse said:
I agree, my XV6700 (WM6, Helmi) was quite a bit faster at some things.
I hate the lag I'm seeing on some of the buttons (end call for one even with hack to speed it up) and others.
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pretty sure that my dads axim x30, with ppc 2003 or whatever, has a screen that is A HUNDRED times more responsive/sensitive (pretty retarded of HTC to make an all touch device for the masses that isnt have as responsive as a device released 4-5 years ago) and the device just runs so much faster.
everything is instant on the x30. you barely even have to touch the screen, adn BAM. you are already there. whereas on the vogue you would still be in the process of getting the screen to recognize that you had touched it, then wait for it to respond and get moving.
true, that device has a 624mhz processor, but it only has half the ram. this device is 5 years newer with an os 5 years newer, yet still FAR slower.
it makes me so mad how unresponsive the screen on this device is compared to the x30.
I know the HTC Performance app supposedly doesn't work on our touch....but with mine overclocked to 524Mhz, it seems like everything just opens much faster. (I can especially tell with Opera and the Messaging app).
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I know the HTC Performance app supposedly doesn't work on our touch....but with mine overclocked to 524Mhz, it seems like everything just opens much faster. (I can especially tell with Opera and the Messaging app).
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hmm, strange. i didnt notice any difference when i tried it.
have you tried shutting off the "overclocking", waiting 10 seconds, then shutting down, then waiting 10 seconds, then poking the reset hole and trying the app's mentioned again? is there a definite speed increase if you try doing that?
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I find the vogue quite fast, but not as fast as my 624mhz dell axim x50v with wm6
thats stinkin fast.
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I have the X50V on the lastest wm6 rom and the vogue runs circles around it. The only way the x50v is fast is with one small application open. The only speed advantage I see is in games and videos because of built-in video acceleration.
Nate
Vogue is plenty fast for me.
Am the guinea pig in the office as the only one with TP2 and have been comparing phones. On opening and closing applications the phone does take much longer than the iphone and also on browsing (20+ secs to load a page with four bars not wifi). Anyone else experienced this?
Have undertaken a hard reset which has improved speed slightly. In memory have about 53% in use but no programmes running (storage has 40mb in use and 251 free and 7GB available on micro sd).
Is this speed normal or is there something I can do to speed it up?
Thanks
There are so many reviews of this device, there's no need to ask this.
If you compare it to the fruitphone, you will probably get flamed around these parts...
If you read reviews or have used other Windows Mobile devices before, you will notice that the TP2 is faster than most other Windows Mobile devices.
Pocketnow did a browser comparison which may be useful to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yau110KWf0
Personal tip: disable plugins and javascript in Opera. At least for me, this doesn't affect my browsing experience negatively. In fact, the pages load significantly faster and I don't have to deal with flash based ads.
according to speed booster my pro2 is slower than my universal.
huh?
I have one of the 2012 Nexus 7s that turned INCREDIBLY sluggish after about 6 months. It is to the point where I don't even use it anymore, my wife uses it to read and I've gone back to my iPad 2 (ugh).
I've read that the problem with the OG Nexus 7 was the flash memory that Asus used, it degraded quickly or caused bottlenecks, or wasn't trimmed properly, etc.
Can someone that is really familiar with this (not just guessing) tell me if the hardware on the Nexus 7 (2013) is built to prevent this? I really want the new N7 because it was the only Android tablet I've bought (also bought XOOM and Transformer) that could replace the iPad 2 for me.
I'm no memory genius, but I did some searching around, followed some blogs and it seems the problem was the actual speed of the memory.
and after seeing comparrison benchmarks, the internal memory on the 2nd Generation was about 2X as fast as the 1st gen. so, while it seems they put in nicer memory, We'll have to wait and find out.
FWIW, i never had a problem with my OG N7, neither did my wife with Her's. both were day 1 purchases.
edit: Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-just-how-much-faster-is-it-a-lot-apparently/
The main problem with the old N7 even the TF700 (both Tegra 3 devices) was the single channel memory, as well the lousy NAND that was put in the devices which really caused it to lag.
The NAND is by far sub-par on the device and that a MicroSD card can typically help increase the performance by placing all the data on it is pretty bad as MicroSD cards in itself are pretty slow as well even for the best ones.
i got the new one. i feel as tho there is still some slight lag in certain programs. even though it has 2gigs of ram, i would have thought it would be flawless and smooth. maybe it's beccause i just turned it on and started using it. but i can tell you that the chrome browser is way faster on 4.3 than 4.2.2.
also the sound is loud and clear! screen resolution is unbelievable. but with 2gigs of ram, i expected it to be much smoother.
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i got the new one. i feel as tho there is still some slight lag in certain programs. even though it has 2gigs of ram, i would have thought it would be flawless and smooth. maybe it's beccause i just turned it on and started using it. but i can tell you that the chrome browser is way faster on 4.3 than 4.2.2.
also the sound is loud and clear! screen resolution is unbelievable. but with 2gigs of ram, i expected it to be much smoother.
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i just got the new one and it was a bit sluggish until i took the latest OTA. now i'm on JSS15J build it is running really really smooth. love it so far.
Did you run fstrim ("Lagfix.apk") on your original N7?
For what it's worth, Android Police has benchmarked it and said that it's working reasonably well - better than the original. If this is your concern, though, I would wait for Anandtech to review it. They were extremely concerned about flash performance last time around, and I think they'll cover it in their review this time around.
And yes, the JSS15J build does make a hug difference in fluidity. Definitely worth getting it.
I just ran AndroBench not sure how it compared to other current tablets.
Sequential Read 58.8 MB/s
Sequental Write 14.29 MB/s
Random Read 12.01 MB/s 3074 IOPS(4K)
Random Write .84MB/s 216 IOPS(4K)
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Did you run fstrim ("Lagfix.apk") on your original N7?
For what it's worth, Android Police has benchmarked it and said that it's working reasonably well - better than the original. If this is your concern, though, I would wait for Anandtech to review it. They were extremely concerned about flash performance last time around, and I think they'll cover it in their review this time around.
And yes, the JSS15J build does make a hug difference in fluidity. Definitely worth getting it.
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I have been running fstrim on mine, but it still lags horribly. It worked fine for the first few months. I should have known what the quality is like when I had to return my first one because of screen separation issues, then had the same problems with the second one and just kept it.
I am definitely waiting on the anandtech review, because I trust their attention to detail.
I have two "old" N7s. None has any lag !!!!!
Maybe due to constant wipes/flashes ? I kinda leave my daughter's N7 (~14months old) alone and it doesn't have lag that I can notice.
Anyway, Windows lags overtime too. That's why I do an image backup of a fresh installation. Once in awhile, I restore the image to
get a fresh Windows. It helps a lot.
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I have been running fstrim on mine, but it still lags horribly. It worked fine for the first few months. I should have known what the quality is like when I had to return my first one because of screen separation issues, then had the same problems with the second one and just kept it.
I am definitely waiting on the anandtech review, because I trust their attention to detail.
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Good news! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/4 seems to suggest that not only is the eMMC faster out of the box on the N7-2013 (which I've anecdotally observed), but that they've included fstrim in Android 4.3 for the N7-2012. That suggests that at you should at least see more consistent performance over a longer period of time than the N7-2012 on the new one, and that your N7-2012 should speed itself up a little bit...
So promising, definitely, but I'm guessing if you really wanna know before buying, you'd have to give it a good 4-6 months of someone using it before getting the definitive word on it.
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Good news! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/4 seems to suggest that not only is the eMMC faster out of the box on the N7-2013 (which I've anecdotally observed), but that they've included fstrim in Android 4.3 for the N7-2012. That suggests that at you should at least see more consistent performance over a longer period of time than the N7-2012 on the new one, and that your N7-2012 should speed itself up a little bit...
So promising, definitely, but I'm guessing if you really wanna know before buying, you'd have to give it a good 4-6 months of someone using it before getting the definitive word on it.
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I totally agree it's faster. Just loaded up my tablet... 435 Meg free. Nice and quick still. No issues. Delete the items using the space up and very quick still. Benchmarked nearly identical.
Performance has been top notch. Games are quick, large ones at that, switching between apps have been quick.
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Sluggish?? My nexus 7 32gb has 5gb left of storage after putting my movies and shows and it has no sluggish apps or any slowdown problems.
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i noticed immediately how much faster the new n7 is compared to my old one. its like night & day.
I think the real problem with the old Nexus 7 is Android 4.2.
Like many others who remained on or switched back to 4.1, I can tell my device runs as snappy as ever.
Sure, the memory may not be the best / fastest, but these annoying lag problems people report of are most probably simply due to 4.2 or other misconfigurations. People just don't wanna acknowledge it because they think: "Back to 4.1? Never!" or such.
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I think the real problem with the old Nexus 7 is Android 4.2.
Like many others who remained on or switched back to 4.1, I can tell my device runs as snappy as ever.
Sure, the memory may not be the best / fastest, but these annoying lag problems people report of are most probably simply due to 4.2 or other misconfigurations. People just don't wanna acknowledge it because they think: "Back to 4.1? Never!" or such.
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Why not custom ROMs...?
Not sure if it's just me but Geekbench results for multi-core have dropped quite significantly after the final Nougat release.
With Marshmallow it scored around 4400, with Nougat it's around 3200 which is quite a big drop.
Anyone else getting the same?
i got 3039 for pixel c and my nexus 9 got 3340. both with interactive governor. i would guess if the govenor was some performance type it would register higher numbers.
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i got 3039 for pixel c and my nexus 9 got 3340. both with interactive governor. i would guess if the govenor was some performance type it would register higher numbers.
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Most devices are set to interactive anyway, that wouldn't result in such a large drop in multi-core performance.
Good to know it's not just my PIxel C.
1408 single / 3138 multi here :/
I have stuttering when scrolling on Chrome, but i didnt have this problem on MM and Remix OS
gtaadicto92 said:
1408 single / 3138 multi here :/
I have stuttering when scrolling on Chrome, but i didnt have this problem on MM and Remix OS
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Thanks for testing.
I'm assuming this isn't intentional from Google.
Same here
I'm on preview 5 and I have similar geekbench results. I am running a rooted pixel c and got similar results with the performance governor as well.
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Not sure if it's just me but Geekbench results for multi-core have dropped quite significantly after the final Nougat release.
With Marshmallow it scored around 4400, with Nougat it's around 3200 which is quite a big drop.
Anyone else getting the same?
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Maybe GeekBench isn't tuned properly for Nougat.
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Maybe GeekBench isn't tuned properly for Nougat.
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Seeing the last update for it was in Feb 2016, I would say this ^ makes sense.
I just tried out photo mate r3, which has a benchmark function as well. That is a raw photo editing app. In Marshmallow the benchmark takes 33 seconds. In nougat it takes at least 45 seconds. Very similar to the drop in performance seen in Geekbench. Unless photo mate and Geekbench are doing the exact same things, this seems like a performance regression.
It got even worse with Geekbench 4. I am now clocking 1200 single core and 2400 multi-core on Nougat. The individual stats are pretty pathetic compared to other devices. I wonder what happened?
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Not sure if it's just me but Geekbench results for multi-core have dropped quite significantly after the final Nougat release.
With Marshmallow it scored around 4400, with Nougat it's around 3200 which is quite a big drop.
Anyone else getting the same?
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Read the reviews. Other people are having the same issues with these benchmark apps showing lower scores that are inconsistent. I don't think the Pixel C is by itself in these crappy scores.
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Read the reviews. Other people are having the same issues with these benchmark apps showing lower scores that are inconsistent. I don't think the Pixel C is by itself in these crappy scores.
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Yeah. But I still get a ten second difference between Marshmallow and nougat in photo mate. I now get the same result as I do on my LG G4 (with its significantly worse processor). Nothing has changed except nougat. That's at least two apps where nougat performance is significantly worse than Marshmallow on the pixel c.
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Yeah. But I still get a ten second difference between Marshmallow and nougat in photo mate. I now get the same result as I do on my LG G4 (with its significantly worse processor). Nothing has changed except nougat. That's at least two apps where nougat performance is significantly worse than Marshmallow on the pixel c.
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Load marshmallow.
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Thanks for the constructive reply. Next time I experience a problem in Android I will be sure to ignore it.
I think he may be saying the benchmarks FUBARed and just enjoy Nougat???
hey, i run geekbench 4 with the cpu bench and i got a really good score.
but with the compute bench (graphics) i got a really worse result.
i got 1216 points, the nexus 9 with the older soc gets 3689 points.
I think the problem is the graphics driver. some news pages says, android nougat will use a new graphic interface with the latest opengl version.
maybe nvidia hat not yet released a new driver and the older one can´t be use with the full power.
I also noticed this. I found another renderscript (the API Google uses for running computations on the GPU) benchmark and it show similarly bad results on pixel c. I also found this issue https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=204712
That indicates that the pixel c didn't ship with a Nvidia specific renderscript driver, which might be why the performance is bad. Just a guess, but I don't think it is even using the GPU. Which is a shame. The pixel c should fly in this test. I wonder if it's possible to load in the driver from the shield TV?
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hey, i run geekbench 4 with the cpu bench and i got a really good score.
but with the compute bench (graphics) i got a really worse result.
i got 1216 points, the nexus 9 with the older soc gets 3689 points.
I think the problem is the graphics driver. some news pages says, android nougat will use a new graphic interface with the latest opengl version.
maybe nvidia hat not yet released a new driver and the older one can´t be use with the full power.
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I am starting to think that it isn't. My initial assumption was that it was a quirk of the adaptive refresh rate that would be quickly addressed either by fixing it or offering a fixed 90 or 120hz option.
A couple of months in and my OnePlus 9 pro is still pretty laggy when scrolling so I am thinking that it is either not an easy fix, that OnePlus fear the battery hit or that it is a hardware issue that cannot be fixed at all.
Thoughts?
I'm not seeing any lag in scrolling in apps. Where and what apps do you having laggy scrolling?
No scrolling lag here so far on my LE2125
Try factory reset. I encountered strange lags all day before and a factory reset solved it.
It is subtle so your average user may not notice it but it is there across the board in most apps where I scroll including the google feed to the left of the home page. Maybe lag is the wrong word more of a stutter and as I said I was initially convinced it was to do with a poorly implemented dynamic refresh rate, it may well be but I was hoping they would have fixed it by now.
My Exynos S21 ultra feels smoother and generally faster which is not something I thought I'd ever find myself saying about a OnePlus phone!
It may get better with future firmware updates. Chrome is the worst case probably atm. Huge amounts of frame drops in that app. Btw. phone has been reset quite a few times already.
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It may get better with future firmware updates. Chrome is the worst case probably atm. Huge amounts of frame drops in that app. Btw. phone has been reset quite a few times already.
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I’d like to see a fixed 90 or 120 hz option, that would at least confirm if this is a wider issue than the dynamic refresh rate.
I find some of that stutter when there's a video playing in the screen while scrolling, both in Chrorme and Reddit.
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It is subtle so your average user may not notice it but it is there across the board in most apps where I scroll including the google feed to the left of the home page. Maybe lag is the wrong word more of a stutter and as I said I was initially convinced it was to do with a poorly implemented dynamic refresh rate, it may well be but I was hoping they would have fixed it by now.
My Exynos S21 ultra feels smoother and generally faster which is not something I thought I'd ever find myself saying about a OnePlus phone!
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This is 100% correct. I have an Exynos S21 Ultra and a 9 Pro. Even with an awesome custom kernel for this, the S21 Ultra feels smoother. In fact way smoother. I don't know what voodoo and wizardry Samsung did. It might be something to do with Samsung using energy _step governor.
I know what you're talking about, and with the last update, it feels vetter. The stutter got better, but the inertia of scrolling when you wipe your finger is still slow
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I know what you're talking about, and with the last update, it feels vetter. The stutter got better, but the inertia of scrolling when you wipe your finger is still slow
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It's not just the inertia. Scrolling accelerates slower and even when you, after flicking the **** out of the list reach the faster speed it does not scroll that fast. Just like the guy in the video I came from 7 Pro and the difference almost causes pain to me:
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It's not just the inertia. Scrolling accelerates slower and even when you, after flicking the **** out of the list reach the faster speed it does not scroll that fast. Just like the guy in the video I came from 7 Pro and the difference almost causes pain to me:
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And then there are people who says it's normal and it's ok for them
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And then there are people who says it's normal and it's ok for them
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It is absolutely ok for me if OP decides that the majority of users does prefer a slower scrolling. However this is nothing you can cover up front when considering to buy a phone and when you are busy getting apps and configurations to work scrolling is something you notice later.
I'd be perfectly fine with an option to customize like "scrolling behaviour" where I can set it to either "old OP phones" or simply slide some bars to configure accelleration, max velocity and sensitivity.
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It is absolutely ok for me if OP decides that the majority of users does prefer a slower scrolling. However this is nothing you can cover up front when considering to buy a phone and when you are busy getting apps and configurations to work scrolling is something you notice later.
I'd be perfectly fine with an option to customize like "scrolling behaviour" where I can set it to either "old OP phones" or simply slide some bars to configure accelleration, max velocity and sensitivity.
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Sure a slider would be nice, but one thing is sure too, that your new phone cant be slower than the old one, or feel slower or even stutter
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Sure a slider would be nice, but one thing is sure too, that your new phone cant be slower than the old one, or feel slower or even stutter
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That's what frustrates me so much. The new phone stutters almost never and is slightly faster everywhere even though the 7 Pro was fast as f***, but scrolling feels like using a 10 year old phone on steroids (120 Hz).
On the one hand I am happy someone else has these problems, which might lead to OP fixing this, but on the other hand I'd wish it was some software issue due to rooting which would be something I could fix myself.
I already opened a request at Oneplus' service and I'll keep monitoring this and other threads for solutions. If I stumble upon some interesting news I will update here as well. Have a good day!