I'm designing a dock for the N7v2 for use in a car. It will have Qi wireless charging and Bluetooth audio receiver, with a standard 3.5mm audio output. It should be compatible with most cases.
I am also currently designing a mounting method that should be close to universal between different cars, and should not fall off like most other docks in the market.
I designed one for the N7v1 using the Pogo pins, and I can never go back to not having a dock for my tablet in my car. It's amazing the difference it made for me.
I want to know a couple things.Please reply with the following template:
1. Would you want a dock like this?
2. How much do you expect to pay for it?
Thank you everyone, in advance!
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I'm designing a dock for the N7v2 for use in a car. It will have Qi wireless charging and Bluetooth audio receiver. It should be compatible with most cases.
I am also currently designing a mounting method that should be close to universal between different cars, and should not fall off like most other docks in the market.
I designed one for the N7v1 using the Pogo pins, and I can never go back to not having a dock for my tablet in my car. It's amazing the difference it made for me.
I want to know a couple things.Please reply with the following template:
1. Would you want a dock like this?
2. How much do you expect to pay for it?
Thank you everyone, in advance!
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Sounds like a great idea. Do you have any links showing your work with N7v1? Heck, I may be interested in that version since the v1 tablet can be had for cheap these days and is more than capable for the limited functions needed in a car. At any rate:
1. yes, would be interested
2. no idea what a fair price would be, but $50-$100 seems like a fair ballpark
I would think very carefully why you need a wireless charger in a car.
Heat kills batteries; tablets in cars get hot. Why add heat to your woes?
The tablet is likely to be busy playing music and navigating, often in full sunlight. Why add to the heating problems by using a wireless charger when a 5v cord charger attached to the car supply will do the trick?
The wireless car mount/charger iterations for the Nexus 4 were a failure, I recall.
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Sounds like a great idea. Do you have any links showing your work with N7v1? Heck, I may be interested in that version since the v1 tablet can be had for cheap these days and is more than capable for the limited functions needed in a car. At any rate:
1. yes, would be interested
2. no idea what a fair price would be, but $50-$100 seems like a fair ballpark
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I've attached 4 pictures of the dock I made for the first Nexus 7. You'll notice that it inst exactly a dock you can put in just any car. I realized I made a little too rugged... and big!
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I would think very carefully why you need a wireless charger in a car.
Heat kills batteries; tablets in cars get hot. Why add heat to your woes?
The tablet is likely to be busy playing music and navigating, often in full sunlight. Why add to the heating problems by using a wireless charger when a 5v cord charger attached to the car supply will do the trick?
The wireless car mount/charger iterations for the Nexus 4 were a failure, I recall.
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Well, that's why I don't leave the tablet in the car, I keep it with me. While I'm in the car, if it's hot out I will have the A/C on anyways, so heat has not been an issue.
Most of my broken devices are dead because the USB port broke because of wear and tear. One of the points of this dock is to reduce that. Plugging in a device everytime I get in the car is partly to blame for such failures. I would have used Pogo Pins, like with the first Nexus 7, but they don't exist on the second.
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lorddralnu said:
Most of my broken devices are dead because the USB port broke because of wear and tear. One of the points of this dock is to reduce that.
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Look at active Brodit car mounts - say for a Nexus 4. There the device is supported and aligned as it glides onto or off the USB. There is no possibility of twisting or yawing.
I think your proposal maybe over-kill - simplest solutions are always best IMHO. A guy in the Nexus 4 forum came to no good end and had a lot of unhappy 'subscribers'. Just saying.
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Look at active Brodit car mounts - say for a Nexus 4. There the device is supported and aligned as it glides onto or off the USB. There is no possibility of twisting or yawing.
I think your proposal maybe over-kill - simplest solutions are always best IMHO. A guy in the Nexus 4 forum came to no good end and had a lot of unhappy 'subscribers'. Just saying.
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I would normally agree. I was hoping to make one that doesnt require a case to be removed to use. I designed my previous dock the way you describe (except it used the Pogo pins on the side), but I always had to remove the case and eventually the first case was showing signs of damage from being removed so often.
My hope is that the base platform of the dock I want to build will be compatible with multiple models of smartphones and tablets that are Qi capable. That'll require a lot more planning, but may be worth it.
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My hope is that the base platform of the dock I want to build will be compatible with multiple models of smartphones and tablets that are Qi capable. That'll require a lot more planning, but may be worth it.
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Well if you're set on the route you've described; ... I see you've picked up on the Peltier pump in another thread. Credit me somewhere if you make it!
But I might consider an approach made by Philips in an Android Bluetooth Speaker and dock. The adjustment for USB and its placement on an edge, plus 180 degree rotation needed for some models, was catered for physically. A much cheaper approach which copes with tablets and phones!
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Well if you're set on the route you've described; ... I see you've picked up on the Peltier pump in another thread. Credit me somewhere if you make it!
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I think I will use a Peltier pump. And yes, I'll make sure you get credit for that idea I'll mount the transmitting coil onto the cold side (probably with a layer of copper in between, we'll try several things) and have the hot side of the pump mounted to the aluminum/sheet metal of the back plate (probably with thermal paste as well). I'll have the pump on a simple thermostat. Good thing I have an EE helping me with this project
Hopefully the final product won't need a Peltier pump, but I will definitely have it in the prototype.
croques said:
But I might consider an approach made by Philips in an Android Bluetooth Speaker and dock. The adjustment for USB and its placement on an edge, plus 180 degree rotation needed for some models, was catered for physically. A much cheaper approach which copes with tablets and phones!
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I haven't had very good experiences with using that type of dock The results of daily use tend to be USB ports that are stretched and loose. At least that's how it has been in my experience.
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I'll mount the transmitting coil onto the cold side (probably with a layer of copper in between, we'll try several things) and have the hot side of the pump mounted to the aluminum/sheet metal of the back plate (probably with thermal paste as well). I'll have the pump on a simple thermostat. Good thing I have an EE helping me with this project
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Don't forget to talk to your EE about eddy current loses in any conductors (copper, aluminium) you have nearby to your induction coil.
Interesting read, but with the cooler this is going to be a very expensive dock. Without it, look to Canada for your market.
I rigged up one for my Nexus 4 last Winter. Based on some testing, I used the most efficient charger I could find for that phone (the LG wcp-700). It worked very well... until late spring when the mercury broke 70. To make a long story short, I pulled it last month as the phone was getting too hot. This in a suv with a 4 liter v6 with plenty of air conditioning, front and rear.
Without the cooler, the tablet needs to be located directly in front of a vent, or even in moderate climates the unit will get hot enough to significantly reduce charging current.
One more thing to consider... the Nexus 7 is polarized vertically. This means that it is invisible in landscape orientation for anyone wearing polarized driving glasses, which I am willing to bet is a large percentage of your prospective market (tech savvy, auto enthusiasts). Most displays designed for vehicles are polarized at 45°, making this not such an issue.
While the tinkerer, software developer, and electronic geek in me wanted a fully integrated tablet in my truck, I soon came to the conclusion that it was simply not practical. What is really needed is a properly done appRadio, where a head unit can mirror the display of a mobile device (ideally wirelessly - miracast, etc.) with a control link set up to pass touches on the head unit back to the mobile device. We're about 30% there now, but a lack of standards, and major players wanting proprietary solutions is a problem.
I wish you much success with your endeavor, but just wanted to share my experience and feelings that this will not be all that marketable a product.
The problems you had with the nexus 4 does not necessarily effect the nexus 7. The nexus 4 was pretty terrible at wireless charging. I had a car setup with a qi charger with the lumia 920 and it worked great even in hot weather. I am not saying the nexus 7 will work, but it might.
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The nexus 4 was pretty terrible at wireless charging.
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What makes you say that? I ask as I have seen relatively similar performance with both the N7 and N4. The tricky thing about the N4 is that the coil is not centered in the vertical dimension, so for folks making the assumption that it is, there will be quite a bit of offset.
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What makes you say that? I ask as I have seen relatively similar performance with both the N7 and N4. The tricky thing about the N4 is that the coil is not centered in the vertical dimension, so for folks making the assumption that it is, there will be quite a bit of offset.
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I say that because of all the issues people had with car docks. It also had issues with the dt-900 qi chargers when it shouldn't have. It heated up excessively with most chargers.
I wonder if there will be an Official dock that lets you:
1. Charge
2. Expand TV HDMI out
3. USB port for Hard drive access
I really want the Nexus & FHD to be a Home entertainment player...may be a remote/ Or Kinect like gesture control app built in with the dock
Hope this comes true...it will be the best Combo for a home unit!
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I love WP7, my Focus, and life. Why not?
The one thing I just do not understand is the decision or lack of decision to utilize a dock port system. It's is maddening to have to plug in mUSB instead of clicking in and moving along.
From a Dev. standpoint, is this because they have to allow so many different manufacturers to make devices? Why not make it part of their 'spec.'
No alarm clocks, no cool docks for my stereo, no cool docks for my car, no cool dock for the back of headrests in my car, wth.
It's not a game stopper for me but it really makes me think that being a iClone is just easier.
Oh well I guess...
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I love WP7, my Focus, and life. Why not?
No alarm clocks, no cool docks for my stereo, no cool docks for my car, no cool dock for the back of headrests in my car, wth.
Thanks for listening XDA forum bot!
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I hear you. I love the dock for my ZuneHD which allows me to use it as anything you list. I was a little surprised to see that my WP7 didn't have a dock port at all.
maybe the next version
I never handled a Zune so I had no idea it had a dock, but now I am even more shocked. I mean does anyone at MS ever walk into Costco and see all the accessories flying off the shevles for iphone...haha, so lame. I can only laugh.
I will give a big middle finger to Samsung for it's top mUSB design too, way to go Samsung!
I just noticed a few new phones with the mUSB on the side...real nice.
lol It's so lame that it's funny!
to be honest, miniusb cables are everywhere. Everybody owns one, and so many devices on the market use them. I charge my DS, my phone, and my bluetooth all with the same adapter... I would have been pissed had I been required to buy a special cable for work, my car, and my home. I have chargers in like 7 different locations now, and when I don't, the person next to me has a miniusb.
Docks can work fine with mini USB. However, as the OP stated, the position of the port is not fixed and hence there can be no standardized dock. nevertheless, if OS supports it, OEMs will jump in and release docks. just like some docks are available for android.
As of present, the OS doesnot offer any special behavior if dock is connected. Nevertheless, I hope mango brings in API's to allow for softwares to be triggered on USB connections, just like on android. Alarm clocks, car dock apps will follow.
But the android docks aren't universal, which is what I think he's referring to... Some connect at the bottom, some at the top, others on the side... I see this coming eventually though to WP7... But as far as a standardized Apple style dock, it would be a pain in the ass and I wouldn't want it to be honest.
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But the android docks aren't universal, which is what I think he's referring to... Some connect at the bottom, some at the top, others on the side... I see this coming eventually though to WP7... But as far as a standardized Apple style dock, it would be a pain in the ass and I wouldn't want it to be honest.
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Good points Fiya. Thankfully for you, it goes how you desire.
Just curious, there aren't any ipod accessories that you would like to just click into?
Docking into my car requires two hands and two cables, very lame and much slower than my other car and wife's iphone, one click, one hand and it starts playing. Plug into microUSB with the cable and the phone simply charges, you still need to tap the music player, etc.
Alarm clocks, stereo docks and car docks are easily what I want most as well as those boomboxes with docks, so nice...not to mention how many parties you go to with ipod docks all around...
I will tell you though, it's microUSB and not mini, making it a different cable than BB, HTC and others. The cables can be bought in bulk, very cheaply as can the ipod USB cables, either way a change was required and new cables needed to be purchased.
There is no way they could have forced the manufacturers to agree on a port and the manufacturers would have issues fitting the port into their designs so maybe you are right...someday...
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I never handled a Zune so I had no idea it had a dock, but now I am even more shocked. I mean does anyone at MS ever walk into Costco and see all the accessories flying off the shevles for iphone...haha, so lame. I can only laugh.
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I have a ZuneHD. Let me tell you that the reason no manufacturer is interested in a docking system is that NO retailers want to stock any dock other than iPhon/iPod docks. When was the last time you see a Zune dock being sold in Costco? Never. And Zune had this docking system for as long as there is Zune. The eco-system is just not there for anything non-iPod.
Then you lose the universal aspect of the entire world using mini USB, but a phone specific dock would be nice.. I just wouldn't want something other than a mini USB
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miniUSB ports are dead. All the new phones and devices use microUSB ports. EU already mandated all future cell phones must use microUSB port as charge port.
good point. micro USB port should be at the bottom as part of the chassis requirement. Maybe they will require that in the future.
Wow, this whole time I was typing mini, I definitely meant micro -_-
How about something like this...if it was possable..
http://cgi.ebay.com/White-Mini-USB-Adapter-iPod-HTC-7-Trophy-/120658457225
An adapter that will convert a miniUSB to iPod/iPhone... I'm assuming it would work with iPhone docks, etc to play back music, just need to create something to hold the adapter/phone and you just opened the door to 2 million different docs and what ever that will work with the iPhone...
If it will work it would be cool...
discussed here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4683282&postcount=3
Edit: There is a lot of info out there about this.....google "HTC to iPod adapter"
I might do this when Vzw gets a WP7 model....(only looking at a HTC model tho)
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good point. micro USB port should be at the bottom as part of the chassis requirement. Maybe they will require that in the future.
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Yea, like 1 inch form the left or right side...so every device will work based on putting it in and adjusting a bracket...
I just received and installed the official Samsung car mount. Physically, it has incredible build quality. Both the suction piece and the actual arm look and feel as if they were designed to withstand people trying to break it. The aesthetics are also top notch. Performance is what I was looking for. I no longer have to plug in my headphone jack into my phone every time I get in the car. I can now pop my phone in and leave Pandora running with the screen on without worrying about being distracted when changing songs or draining battery life. The adjustments available are perfect for me since I mounted mines on the windshield. If you want to mount it somewhere else using the plastic dash piece they give you, the fixed arm and adjustable joint may not provide you with as much mobility as you'd need--depending on where you mount it.
This dock is easily worth the $36 I paid for it, that much I know for certain. I have a similar dock from when I had my iPhone 3GS and it looks flimsy and cheap compared to the Samsung mount even though both cost approximately the same. For the price, the dock and charger combo are hard to beat. It's also a lot more convenient to use than a dock that doesn't have the phone connections built in.
All in all, I'm incredibly satisfied with the purchase.
In case you're wondering how it hooks up, here's a youtube link for the T-mobile Galaxy S2 that another user posted. The Sprint version is exactly the same, except for adjustments made to the flexible plastic to fit our phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XNr7A91j0
thanks for this, megatron! I dont want to okie dokie my phone if I dont need to and this looks really nice and durable...appreciate the post.
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thanks for this, megatron! I dont want to okie dokie my phone if I dont need to and this looks really nice and durable...appreciate the post.
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No problem. Be sure to note that it may not fit your phone if you use a case. I haven't pushed the charger yet to see how much of a load it can handle before the energy use by the phone outpaces the power supplied by the charger. Thus far, I've only run Pandora with the screen on a 100% of the time and it still charged the phone a good amount. I'm hoping I eventually get the chance to test out google maps or navigation with pandora running to see how the charger holds up against that type of drain.
i have this, very happy with it so far.
Question: How does the phone know it's docked to activate Car Mode? Is there a magnet in the dock that the phone picks up on like the old DROIDs?
Based on this review, I've ordered one of the mounts for myself. I'll report back when it comes in!
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Question: How does the phone know it's docked to activate Car Mode? Is there a magnet in the dock that the phone picks up on like the old DROIDs?
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I believe it detects a certain resistance or short across a couple of the USB pins.
This has already been done for the EVO 4g using Palm Touchstone capable scraps but I want to take it to another level. Since i'm not much of a programmer I can add to the community in this way.
Please let me know how many of you are interested in this. I'm going to put up full walk throughs as I move along but I will also sell some off (in the marketplace) for those that don't want to go through the hassle. I'm going to start ordering parts and building mock-ups and doing some design work during slow downs at work. I'll have a donation link up eventually if any one wants to help cover the initial costs.
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CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STAGE: 1- INDUCTIVE CASE RESEARCH, see #1
PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON THIS POST (general updates) AND POST#3 (useful links and eventually tutorial)
:good:KEEP DISCUSSION AROUND THE FOLLOWING DESIGN INTENTIONS/ ABOVE DEVELOPMENT STAGE:good:
Design Intents are as follows:
1) A case for housing the inductive coil/wiring
This just requires compatible cases with necessary clearance for the inductive coil and wiring to the male micro usb. Cases with oversized bumpers would be best since they will keep drops from damaging the micro usb plug that will be sticking out of the bottom of the phone. This may not be ideal so if anyone is decent and making plastic molds maybe we could come up with an attachment to a case.
2)NO Hard wiring inside/to the phone
This involves using low profile male mirco USB type B connectors, like this, and mounting and wiring to the case. This will keep your plug always covered and keep you from trying to charge your phone with both inductive and regular usb to the wall/pc. The main design issue here is protecting the male connector to the phone. Suggest usb connectors, wiring, how to boost the amperage, does the palm pre coil protect from over voltage, etc.
3)A car kit.
I will start with my car, A nissan sentra SR, for the car kit. Others are encouraged to come up/share your solutions as well! This should be a hard wired solution using the palm pre/pixi round touchstone dock. Kind of like a dash mount. I think the magnet should hold the phone ok being that my car isn't one of the most powerful things on the planet but for you hot rodders out there keep that possible issue in mind.
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Current Progress: CASEAlright I have the cases in hand! I got three of them in the mail and will be tearing these apart this weekend. The pucks (touchstone bases) should be here sometime next week.
I'm also looking at the following cases
Ballistic
Ballistic 2
Clear S Case
The ballistic I am hoping will give clearance for the micro usb. They will be a bit heavier though... we'll see.
I going to order 2 cases for starters, what should they be?
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Useful Links and Resources
Useful Links and Resources
This post will provide you with the knowledge necessary to learn what you need to complete this project. Any helpful links your share in this thread will be copied here.
General Info
What is Electromagnetic Induction? - HERE
A little about wireless power distribution - HERE
Other Mod References
ManiacMagic's E4GT Soldered Inductive Mod - HERE
darrenf's from android central Soldered - HERE
(thanks DaisyPlucksta for the links)
Helpful Videos
qianqinde's how-to for International GS2 (soldered) - HERE thank's rwilco12
Regarding the thread, this would be hardware development which i believe belongs in the general section. As for the idea, it seems like as long as its not too bulky most users wouldn't mind if it extended battery life substantially like 24 hours or more. Could make you rich with over 9.million sgsIII owners. But Im pretty sure there are already many types of chargers on the market so unless i missed something perhaps you should submit this to a patent office so no one steals the idea or design. Just my two cents dinner no one else has posted. But ya not software development so I would move three thread before you get flamed too bad.
No flaming allowed.
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Maybe in accessories? Good luck. Sound fun. I might be interested once your done.
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This has already been done for the EVO 4g using Palm Touchstone capable scraps but I want to take it to another level. Since i'm not much of a programmer I can add to the community in this way.
Design Intents are as follows:
1) A case based solution, the ET4G is too damn thin!
This is just require compatible cases with necessary clearance and materials
that are least obstructive to the magnetic field.
2)NO Hard wiring inside/to the phone
This involves ordering male mirco USB type B connectors and mounting and wiring to the case. This will keep your plug always covered and keep you from trying to charge your phone with both inductive and regular usb to the wall/pc. The only issue here is protecting the male connector to the phone. I've some ideas for this but will be very dependent on the case we use.
3)A car kit.
I will start with my car, A nissan sentra SR, for the car kit. This will be a hard wired solution using the palm pre/pixi round touchstone dock. Kind of like a dash mount. I think the magnet should hold the phone ok being that my car isn't one of the most powerful things on the planet but for you hot rodders I'll keep that possible issue in mind.
Please let me know how many of you are interested in this. I'm going to put up full walk throughs as I move along but I will also sell some off for those that don't want to go through the hassle (is that ok on here? or do i need to set up donations?). Either way let me know because I'm going to start order parts and doing some design work during slow downs at work.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Oh and if you have other devices you would like this type of solution for I'm cool with that. Just ask and we'll work through it!
OH man... here we go!
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I'm game! I tried doing it myself but I could only find the one spot on the USB plug to hook up to. I opted but to do it because there was some massive dismantling and soldering I would've had to do. I've still got the parts ready for when someone smarter than me figures out an easier way to do it though!
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Technically, he is developing something. Just not code.
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great idea. i have 4 touchstones kicking around. would love to be able to use them.
Technically, this IS "development"
Anyway, I would be interested in this myself. Seems like a great idea. I'm pretty handy & I have a welder/soldering station at my job. Would be happy to help out.
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I would pay money for this...
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This sounds very cool. And technically this is development. Just not software related. So I don't see where else this could go.
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This has already been done for the EVO 4g using Palm Touchstone capable scraps but I want to take it to another level. Since i'm not much of a programmer I can add to the community in this way.
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Please let me know how many of you are interested in this. I'm going to put up full walk throughs as I move along but I will also sell some off for those that don't want to go through the hassle (is that ok on here? or do i need to set up donations?). Either way let me know because I'm going to start order parts and doing some design work during slow downs at work.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Oh and if you have other devices you would like this type of solution for I'm cool with that. Just ask and we'll work through it!
OH man... here we go!
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Just a thought.
What would be the charging time using touchstone/conductive charging; or in other words, what would be the output voltage/current provided to the phone. It takes a while on regular chargers to charge the phone compared to HTC phones.
haha I actually did this too my I500. Literally car kit and everything. Even had it play music through Bluetooth. except I hated cases on that phone so I hardwired it. looked so much sexier. But the case is easier. Built like that too just didn't have the car cradle
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Technically, he is developing something. Just not code.
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True
How much would this be for a car charger and home charger wireless
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I have 2 palm touchstones, 2 old fried pre & pre2, and 2 phone backs for the touchstone charger to integrate with the phone..
I would absolutely love to know how to integrate the "guts" of the battery cover with the needed parts into the e4gt innards to make the wireless charger .. but I'm not sure how yet.. :/ I will keep reading and post here if I get it working..
I assume that the physical connection is totally possible but the OS will most likely need to be able to control voltage and jazz so I'm not sure what would be needed for that part..
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Thanks for all the interest and offers for assistance. Being that its my friend's birthday as well as my own on top of fathers day weekend I won't start any design research until Monday.
I have ordered some parts which should be here late next week. I am still trying to find a source for some type B micro USB plugs. Guess I'll shoud stop throwing away those electronic component magazines. I did a quick search and found some but they were $6.50 each with $10 shipping. If any of you have a source for these let me know. Hell you can send me spare cables and I'll deconstruct them if I have to, but that's not very fun.
When I get on my PC I'll add a poll to see where you all would like this topic to be. Then I'll ask you how do I move it
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Lets do it!
I actually got the touchstone and pre back and ripped out the inductive charging circuit just for this (I actually got it for my evo, but I upgraded before I had the chance to follow the evo guide). I'm excited for this!
Anyway - some heads up - the E4GT is MUCH heavier and bigger than the pre. Don't expect it to stay firmly attached. It will stay okay, but you need a really thin back face of the case. You may also try replacing the thin magnets with thicker rare earths. I actually got it under the stock cover okay, and that worked decently, but no good way to attach it. That's where I quit (after thinking about soldering to the board, but not having a good place on the USB connector without taking the phone all of the way apart. I also didn't fins another point on the board to solder to (like the charging circuit), although I'm sure it's there somewhere.
Also, you need to mount the inductive charging circuit a little low because the phone is so long that it will hit the table and not mount properly if you put it in the middle. Furthermore, be ware that if you add a connector to the USB port, this will exacerbate this problem, perhaps to the point of requiring landscape or stronger magnets.
The USB connector you want are available at a number of places. Ebay has some cheap micro usb adapters (including right angle) that you might play with. If you just want the connector itself, it will likely be more expensive, but I suggest checking mouser or digikey.
Good luck! This will be AWESOME!
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Whoa! Just got curious enough to do a quick google search. You may want to czech these out real quick:
Soldering route: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451684
again: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep...c-4g-touch-stone-mod-details-lots-photos.html
DaisyPlucksta said:
I actually got the touchstone and pre back and ripped out the inductive charging circuit just for this (I actually got it for my evo, but I upgraded before I had the chance to follow the evo guide). I'm excited for this!
Anyway - some heads up - the E4GT is MUCH heavier and bigger than the pre. Don't expect it to stay firmly attached. It will stay okay, but you need a really thin back face of the case. You may also try replacing the thin magnets with thicker rare earths. I actually got it under the stock cover okay, and that worked decently, but no good way to attach it. That's where I quit (after thinking about soldering to the board, but not having a good place on the USB connector without taking the phone all of the way apart. I also didn't fins another point on the board to solder to (like the charging circuit), although I'm sure it's there somewhere.
Also, you need to mount the inductive charging circuit a little low because the phone is so long that it will hit the table and not mount properly if you put it in the middle. Furthermore, be ware that if you add a connector to the USB port, this will exacerbate this problem, perhaps to the point of requiring landscape or stronger magnets.
The USB connector you want are available at a number of places. Ebay has some cheap micro usb adapters (including right angle) that you might play with. If you just want the connector itself, it will likely be more expensive, but I suggest checking mouser or digikey.
Good luck! This will be AWESOME!
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Whoa! Just got curious enough to do a quick google search. You may want to czech these out real quick:
Soldering route: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451684
again: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ep...c-4g-touch-stone-mod-details-lots-photos.html
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Awesome find DP! Looks extremely promising! I will see if I can get it working as soon as I have the time.. hopefully sometime this week
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I was looking for a Qi compatible cardockingstation and i found the Owl Carpad, it looked good and was according the site compatible with the nexus 4, now the question: will it work with a Nexus 5? i found different stories all over the internet, has enyone tried it?
Because i'm a new forummember i can't place a link here..
Or do you recommend a different carmount?
Also i was thinking of placing a NFC-sticker on the inside of the charger so that if i place my phone it will automaticly start my navigation, bluetooth an spotify but will it work? because of the field generated by the charging.
Tomorrow i will be replacing my N4 with a N5!!!(Sorry i'm just happyXD)
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i believe as long as it states Qi, that it will be compatible. Qi is a universal standard so it should work with all Qi compatible devices.
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i believe as long as it states Qi, that it will be compatible. Qi is a universal standard so it should work with all Qi compatible devices.
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Ok true, but the location of the coil for charging is lacated different to the nexus 4 i think, of it's a couple of mm to hight i won't charge i'm affraid
Check their site, they have an upgrade pcb you can install.
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There was alot of talk about this in the Nexus 4 forums, and one of the devs was acting as a US distrobutor of sorts as well to help save on shipping costs. Someone over there probably has a Nexus 5 by now and could probably answer your questions with first hand knowledge.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2029734
KevinWolfs said:
I was looking for a Qi compatible cardockingstation and i found the Owl Carpad, it looked good and was according the site compatible with the nexus 4, now the question: will it work with a Nexus 5? i found different stories all over the internet, has enyone tried it?
Because i'm a new forummember i can't place a link here..
Or do you recommend a different carmount?
Also i was thinking of placing a NFC-sticker on the inside of the charger so that if i place my phone it will automaticly start my navigation, bluetooth an spotify but will it work? because of the field generated by the charging.
Tomorrow i will be replacing my N4 with a N5!!!(Sorry i'm just happyXD)
Sorry i my grammar isn't wat it's supposed to be
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Hey, I live in Korea so I got mine real quick. I ordered the Nexus 5 bundle kit where they sent a desktop QI charger, the car QI charger with both suction and vent mounts. They've both been great, but also keep in mind I've only had them for a few hours. My daily commute is about 30 minutes so I'll get a better feel of the car dock in the coming weeks. The Nexus 5 slides/clips in real smooth and easy and is easy to get out. We'll see how it holds up to bumps and whatnot.
I've read some people saying it cuts off charging at around 90%, so I'll be testing that plus how it holds up with navigation software running. For my purposes, I don't really expect it to charge the battery while running navi, but at the very least, to prevent drain. So far, I like.
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Hey, I live in Korea so I got mine real quick. I ordered the Nexus 5 bundle kit where they sent a desktop QI charger, the car QI charger with both suction and vent mounts. They've both been great, but also keep in mind I've only had them for a few hours. My daily commute is about 30 minutes so I'll get a better feel of the car dock in the coming weeks. The Nexus 5 slides/clips in real smooth and easy and is easy to get out. We'll see how it holds up to bumps and whatnot.
I've read some people saying it cuts off charging at around 90%, so I'll be testing that plus how it holds up with navigation software running. For my purposes, I don't really expect it to charge the battery while running navi, but at the very least, to prevent drain. So far, I like.
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Thank you. Will be keeping n eye on your reports. :thumbup:
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dipson626 said:
Hey, I live in Korea so I got mine real quick. I ordered the Nexus 5 bundle kit where they sent a desktop QI charger, the car QI charger with both suction and vent mounts. They've both been great, but also keep in mind I've only had them for a few hours. My daily commute is about 30 minutes so I'll get a better feel of the car dock in the coming weeks. The Nexus 5 slides/clips in real smooth and easy and is easy to get out. We'll see how it holds up to bumps and whatnot.
I've read some people saying it cuts off charging at around 90%, so I'll be testing that plus how it holds up with navigation software running. For my purposes, I don't really expect it to charge the battery while running navi, but at the very least, to prevent drain. So far, I like.
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Thank you, do you have a link where i can order one? i don't see it on the official website?
I'm seriously considering designing and 3D printing car dock with USB in it so you can just drop your phone in. Not enough of such products... None in fact.
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I'm seriously considering designing and 3D printing car dock with USB in it so you can just drop your phone in. Not enough of such products... None in fact.
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Yeah but wireless is a bit nicer, in the car and you will not make the dock work the first time, you wil spend hours drawing, printing and fitting, and i will probably look not as nice.
I just ordered the nexus 5 charging pack from Owl, it was €80, with taxes from Holland it's €100 for 2 wireless chargers what is a lot of money, i sure hope the Qi standard will work with my next devicesXD
KevinWolfs said:
Yeah but wireless is a bit nicer, in the car and you will not make the dock work the first time, you wil spend hours drawing, printing and fitting, and i will probably look not as nice.
I just ordered the nexus 5 charging pack from Owl, it was €80, with taxes from Holland it's €100 for 2 wireless chargers what is a lot of money, i sure hope the Qi standard will work with my next devicesXD
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Oh, I can make things look nice, worry not. It is a lot of work to design it though.
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KevinWolfs said:
Thank you, do you have a link where i can order one? i don't see it on the official website?
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Here's the main site (all in Korean): http://owllus.net/index.php
I did everything in Korean, but now that you asked, I dug a little deeper, and I found this: http://owllus.com/
If you go to the top, you'll see the different options, the ~/all is what you want. I like it so far, but still too early to make a final call. Let me know if you have any questions! Happy to help.
[Edit: Oops, I just saw that it said you already ordered one. If case anyone else was wondering, here you are.]
dipson626 said:
Here's the main site (all in Korean): http://owllus.net/index.php
I did everything in Korean, but now that you asked, I dug a little deeper, and I found this: http://owllus.com/
If you go to the top, you'll see the different options, the ~/all is what you want. I like it so far, but still too early to make a final call. Let me know if you have any questions! Happy to help.
[Edit: Oops, I just saw that it said you already ordered one. If case anyone else was wondering, here you are.]
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I'll be very interested in your report - if it works OK I'll get one, but I can wait a week or 2 to see how those of you who have one go with it.
I've had one for the Nexus 4 for almost a year now. I'll be getting my Nexus 5 tomorrow so I can update you guys.
I've used the Owl Carpad with my N4 for the past 6 months or so and while it works okay as a wireless charger, it doesn't quite cut it as a car dock. With constant screen-on with nav running it could not increase charge and even lost charge most times unless the phone was completely idle. On longer trips with music streaming and nav running (Waze or Google Nav) I would have to kill the screen constantly to cut battery drain.
Regardless of that, my N4 Owl Carpad does not work with the N5 due to the coils being aligned differently between the phones, something to keep in mind with any wireless charger which doesn't allow for adjusting placement of the phone -Tylt, Nokia Dt-910, etc.
I love wireless charging at the home and office but I haven't seen a mobile solution yet which can stand up to the intensive battery drain phones experience while used as a HUD while driving. My 2cents.
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I've used the Owl Carpad with my N4 for the past 6 months or so and while it works okay as a wireless charger, it doesn't quite cut it as a car dock. With constant screen-on with nav running it could not increase charge and even lost charge most times unless the phone was completely idle. On longer trips with music streaming and nav running (Waze or Google Nav) I would have to kill the screen constantly to cut battery drain.
Regardless of that, my N4 Owl Carpad does not work with the N5 due to the coils being aligned differently between the phones, something to keep in mind with any wireless charger which doesn't allow for adjusting placement of the phone -Tylt, Nokia Dt-910, etc.
I love wireless charging at the home and office but I haven't seen a mobile solution yet which can stand up to the intensive battery drain phones experience while used as a HUD while driving. My 2cents.
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I'm actually toying with the idea (working with several ideas actually, this is just one) of picking up the Owlpad and swapping out the half bridge coil most of these qi chargers use for a full bridge and balance out the power to increase output slightly so that I can actually charge the phone effectively under heavy load. If I end up doing it then I'll obviously post a tutorial and required items, but it feels like there's a really weak spot in the market for effective qi car chargers. Either that or I'll crack it open and adjust the coil positioning for the N5 and use the new board they offer to make it work with the N5 and offer a tutorial for that. We'll see, still exploring ideas and seeing which ones come out on top for time vs. cost of materials.
I like the mount for the owl pad but the charger is worthless. It overheats the phone unless mounted over a vent and only slows the drain if navigation is on along with the screen.
I was trying to find a small charger I can tear down and insert into the owl pad mount. I know that they offer a new PCB but there's no way I'm going to give them more money for their crap.
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I've had the Owl CarPad for over a week now and after seeing some other complains and comments and running my own tests, I've come to the conclusion that it's perfect for me. For my uses, it's exactly what I want.
Mount: Excellent
The phone is super easy to slip in and out of the holder. Being able to get my phone in and out with one had was really important for me. With my old car mount, I always had to lean over and use two hands.
Performance: Acceptable
As others have said, and as they say on their blog, with navigation running and screen at 100%, the phone does lose charge, but a lot slower than it would without any sort of charge of course. I find this acceptable because:
1) A byproduct of wireless charging is wasted energy in the form of heat. I've used four different QI chargers now, and only two have been able to increase the battery's charge while still running navigation software. The problem? While using both of those chargers, the phone heated up to about 47 Celsius. Not good. Using the CarPad, the highest I've seen it go is 42. Still high, but when running navigation + USB charging, it got up to 39, so I'm okay with that. I'm sure the CarPad could probably charger faster to prevent drain, but that would get way too hot.
2) I use navigation about once a month at most. The main reason I wanted this car dock was for convenience. My daily commute is about one hour each way, so it's nice to keep the phone topped off. I opened it up and added an NFC sticker to the inside so that it turns on Play Music and Bluetooth when I slide it in the dock. So, 99% of the time, I'm just using my phone to stream music to my car stereo, and the CarPad is able to charge my phone while that's going on. I still have the old USB charger from my GNexus, so I can use that in a pinch. Again, I'm okay with this.
Conclusion: I like it; I'm happy.
I've used a few other QI car mounts (borrowed from friends, didn't spend/waste money), and this is the best one I've come across. I think the customer service I've received has also been excellent. Due to time zone differences, it may be about 24~48 hours before hearing back, but they're happy to answer any questions and concerns you have. I can see why some people have complained about the charging performance of the Owl products, but for what I use it for, it's perfect.
Quick Edit: Forgot to add, they do have an upgraded version they send you for the Nexus 5. It's not the same internals as the one for the Nexus 4.
dipson626 said:
I've had the Owl CarPad for over a week now and after seeing some other complains and comments and running my own tests, I've come to the conclusion that it's perfect for me. For my uses, it's exactly what I want.
Mount: Excellent
The phone is super easy to slip in and out of the holder. Being able to get my phone in and out with one had was really important for me. With my old car mount, I always had to lean over and use two hands.
Performance: Acceptable
As others have said, and as they say on their blog, with navigation running and screen at 100%, the phone does lose charge, but a lot slower than it would without any sort of charge of course. I find this acceptable because:
1) A byproduct of wireless charging is wasted energy in the form of heat. I've used four different QI chargers now, and only two have been able to increase the battery's charge while still running navigation software. The problem? While using both of those chargers, the phone heated up to about 47 Celsius. Not good. Using the CarPad, the highest I've seen it go is 42. Still high, but when running navigation + USB charging, it got up to 39, so I'm okay with that. I'm sure the CarPad could probably charger faster to prevent drain, but that would get way too hot.
2) I use navigation about once a month at most. The main reason I wanted this car dock was for convenience. My daily commute is about one hour each way, so it's nice to keep the phone topped off. I opened it up and added an NFC sticker to the inside so that it turns on Play Music and Bluetooth when I slide it in the dock. So, 99% of the time, I'm just using my phone to stream music to my car stereo, and the CarPad is able to charge my phone while that's going on. I still have the old USB charger from my GNexus, so I can use that in a pinch. Again, I'm okay with this.
Conclusion: I like it; I'm happy.
I've used a few other QI car mounts (borrowed from friends, didn't spend/waste money), and this is the best one I've come across. I think the customer service I've received has also been excellent. Due to time zone differences, it may be about 24~48 hours before hearing back, but they're happy to answer any questions and concerns you have. I can see why some people have complained about the charging performance of the Owl products, but for what I use it for, it's perfect.
Quick Edit: Forgot to add, they do have an upgraded version they send you for the Nexus 5. It's not the same internals as the one for the Nexus 4.
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How long did it take to ship? I received my shipping conformation last week, but haven't been able to pull up any tracking information.
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I'm seriously considering designing and 3D printing car dock with USB in it so you can just drop your phone in. Not enough of such products... None in fact.
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KevinWolfs said:
Yeah but wireless is a bit nicer, in the car and you will not make the dock work the first time, you wil spend hours drawing, printing and fitting, and i will probably look not as nice.
I just ordered the nexus 5 charging pack from Owl, it was €80, with taxes from Holland it's €100 for 2 wireless chargers what is a lot of money, i sure hope the Qi standard will work with my next devicesXD
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Why not design a holder that the LG pucks can sit in then you will have wireless and a holder.
Hi,
so soon my nexus will be here and after over 6 years with iPhone I'm moving to try android.
one think i always loved about my iphone is the docking station, makes life better and easier.
now with the iphone its very easy to find docking station that fit 100% right, and then i dont have to worry about damage to the charging port, the phone is held up very tight and i never had any problem.
on the android camp its harder to find phone specific accessories so heres what i manage to find:
im looking for a cheap solution but can pay a little more if its really worth it
cheap:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-D...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item2ecab22c6d
expensive:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-M...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item43c158ab0c
the expensive one at least comes with a cable, and heres a video i found that shows that this product might be a better choice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTyGmNTh6iA
i just dont want the device to wobble freely hanging only by the usb connector.
i also hear that micro usb is much weaker then apple connectors so im a bit worried.
any1 have any experince with such products? what do u think? am i risking damage to my usb port? thanks.
yossi_s1 said:
am i risking damage to my usb port? thanks.
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IMHO ... yes, you are risking damaging the port. I personally wouldn't even consider using one as I've gone through a bunch of phones that the Micro-USB eventually stopped working properly. The Nexus one was notorious for that problem as have been quite a few other devices. Micro-USB just doesn't hold up over time.
Now, back to your problem. One thing the Nexus 5 has over the iPhone is Qi Wireless charging. So, might I suggest stop thinking in terms of how you would plugin in your iPhone to charge it, and to sync it with iTunes. All of this can be done using apps that sync wirelessly (iSyncr etc) and a good Qi charger.
Here's a good starting point for a "dock" like standing position while your N5 charges:
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-DT910-Wireless-Charging-Stand/dp/B00A3NCC8M
It's important for you to note the orientation of the Micro USB port on the phone. On nexus devices reversed compared to the samsung phones those docks are for. I own the dock on the first link. It will not work with the Nexus.
You need one that's pin-side facing you. Unless you want the phone facing away from you
It's an annoying aspect of the Micro USB standard -- when it comes to direction, there is no standard.
DIY: Not ideal because it doesn't LOOK great but does WORK great. I bought the dock from that first link for my S3 and because of its 'universal'ness it was extremely wobbly, putting much undue strain on the port. I stuck a couple wads of Sugru down on the dock and behind the connector (where the phones back would rest) and stuck my phone in. When it dried after 30 minutes I had a perfect custom fit. Looked like **** though. Function over form in this case.
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It's important for you to note the orientation of the Micro USB port on the phone. On nexus devices reversed compared to the samsung phones those docks are for. I own the dock on the first link. It will not work with the Nexus.
You need one that's pin-side facing you. Unless you want the phone facing away from you
It's an annoying aspect of the Micro USB standard -- when it comes to direction, there is no standard.
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this...
but this is also a relatively new thing as the Nexus 4 was the "standard" way that everyone is used to (small side up where the Nexus 5 flipped it to small side down)
For charging, I would recomend the Google's wireless charger: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_Wireless_Charger?id=nexus_wireless_charger. As for syncing, what kind of things are you going to sync from your computer to your phone? On the android side the majority of things can/are synced over wifi or cloud services.
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Thanks for all the answers...
I didn't think about orientation lol, i forgot about this issue.. so docking stations seems meh ATM
about wireless chargers... quite expensive IMO and i always fear that since the phone is not being held tightly it might fall and break.
i put my phone on a nightstand near my bed so accidents in the dark could happen, and i also like it when the phone is standing so i can see the screen without picking it up.
so that limits the range of wireless chargers i can use.
syncing is not a problem btw.
good thing i asked here.. i almost bought one of those. i guess ill try to find wireless one that suites me.
thanks again!
yossi_s1 said:
Thanks for all the answers...
I didn't think about orientation lol, i forgot about this issue.. so docking stations seems meh ATM
about wireless chargers... quite expensive IMO and i always fear that since the phone is not being held tightly it might fall and break.
i put my phone on a nightstand near my bed so accidents in the dark could happen, and i also like it when the phone is standing so i can see the screen without picking it up.
so that limits the range of wireless chargers i can use.
syncing is not a problem btw.
good thing i asked here.. i almost bought one of those. i guess ill try to find wireless one that suites me.
thanks again!
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Google is your friend as usual, Kidigi are about to launch a Nexus 5 specific dock which is more substantial than the one you were looking at.