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I have a feeling that the answer to this question will be hard reset but here goes.
I have 2 accounts on my phone. Google Apps and my other Google account.
All is good and I installed them the right way round (non G Apps account first) so that maps, marketplace etc use the right accounts.
But for some reason I have my non Google apps account setup on Google Talk and of course I want the other one. And there seems to be no way of changing this.
So any clues? Is there a way to change this (I have had a good look) or am I stuck?
Sorry, this has absolutely nothing related to your question, but how did you get Gtalk to work on your device? I got invited but was told it's only for US users? lol
GTalk is global instant messaging, are you not thinking of Google Voice?
dnlgee said:
GTalk is global instant messaging, are you not thinking of Google Voice?
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Aah crap, sorry. Big d'oh! lol
What do you have the Apps account set up for?
JohnSteveDoe said:
What do you have the Apps account set up for?
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Do you mean why do I have it?
Email, docs, calendar and so on. The usual thing you have Google Apps for.
I have the 2nd (primary) Gmail account because you need this for maps, Google Checkout (and thus marketplace) and so forth.
For now you can't use your Apps account for all other Google services
Have you tried removing the Apps account, starting GTalk, then re-adding it?
I think it's the app that's at fault really - it doesn't give you an option to select a different account.
I'd suggest though that it possibly needs to be this way, since we know GTalk and Market are somehow linked together.
Why not install another IM client for your other GTalk account?
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Try going to Settings - Applications and delete data from Google Talk Service and Google Talk Storage, see what happens.
pascanu said:
Try going to Settings - Applications and delete data from Google Talk Service and Google Talk Storage, see what happens.
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The PERFECT way to destroy Google Talk. DONT TRY IT!
foxmeister said:
I think it's the app that's at fault really - it doesn't give you an option to select a different account.
I'd suggest though that it possibly needs to be this way, since we know GTalk and Market are somehow linked together.
Dave
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I don't think it is faulty. I think is it designed this way.
A most Google services need a Gmail account. Talk, Checkout, Marketplace and so on and so on.
Google (for now) do not let you use your Google Apps account (if you have one) for these other services (although they have announced this will change)
On top of this, Android has the limitation that you cannot delete your PRIMARY Google account.
I believe the issue I am trying to deal with is tied into all of this.
If I have to do a hard reset then I will wait as Google have announced that we will soon be able to have our Google Apps account linked to all the other non apps services and you just know that just like the move from googlemail to gmail a few weeks ago, this will also need a hard reset!!!
mirotis said:
The PERFECT way to destroy Google Talk. DONT TRY IT!
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Would you care to explain why that would DESTROY Gtalk? AFAIK deleting data for a specific application is like hard-reseting just that one application. I've done it many times for Gmail, browser etc. (I admit, haven't done it with Gtalk and am not willing to test because I don't want to lose my settings and history). Please don't just assume, give facts.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to DESTROY an app on a non-rooted phone, or using just the options/settings Google/HTC provided.
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Would you care to explain why that would DESTROY Gtalk? AFAIK deleting data for a specific application is like hard-reseting just that one application. I've done it many times for Gmail, browser etc. (I admit, haven't done it with Gtalk and am not willing to test because I don't want to lose my settings and history). Please don't just assume, give facts.
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to DESTROY an app on a non-rooted phone, or using just the options/settings Google/HTC provided.
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It doesn't DESTROY talk. I know this because I have already tried it.
It didn't fix the problem either
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It doesn't DESTROY talk. I know this because I have already tried it.
It didn't fix the problem either
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Just re-read your OP and think there is no solution for your particular situation. AFAIK Gtalk is linked to your primary gmail account (the first one you setup). It uses the same autentication and port as Market and as such they are linked much deeper than I understand (e.g. it's well known that if your Market download stalls you can solve it by loging in Gtalk).
The only solution I can think about would be to use another app for Gtalk, there are quite a few good ones on the Market.
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I don't think it is faulty. I think is it designed this way.
A most Google services need a Gmail account. Talk, Checkout, Marketplace and so on and so on.
Google (for now) do not let you use your Google Apps account (if you have one) for these other services (although they have announced this will change)
On top of this, Android has the limitation that you cannot delete your PRIMARY Google account.
I believe the issue I am trying to deal with is tied into all of this.
If I have to do a hard reset then I will wait as Google have announced that we will soon be able to have our Google Apps account linked to all the other non apps services and you just know that just like the move from googlemail to gmail a few weeks ago, this will also need a hard reset!!!
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I am able to delete google account from my desire without problems in settings...accounts&sync...
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I have the same issue.
Phone registered with personal gmail account.
Company uses google to host their email and I can not chat with anyone else in google talk.
To make it worse I have logins for some consultancies I work with and can not use those.
All I want to be able to do is select the google account to be used for a talk session.
Too much to ask?
Having more than 1 gmail account for email is not an issues , why so for talk?
I've been sitting on this for a while but finally decided to speak up on it. I've been reading advice all over since the Froyo days that clearing Google Services Framework is a good idea to solve some play store and/or random app related problems. It is not a good idea to do this. Let me explain why:
Google Services Framework, among other things, contains device data for services like the awesome C2DM (Cloud to Device Messaging) service. What is this you ask? Well, in a nut shell, it is responsible for delivering messages from the cloud to your phone for a particular app without requiring that app to run and constantly maintain a data connection. This was introduced in Froyo (If I'm not mistaken) and helps conserve battery life. For example, Angry Birds Friends has C2DM because it will notify you of someone beating your score without the app running in the background. Angry Birds Friends does not use the on boot permission, so it needs not remain running eating up data just to receive notifications. Understand? A lot of apps are designed like this and it is a very good practice for developers who want to include notifications without needing their app to run in the background all of the time.
Clearing Google Services Framework will cause the C2DM service for every app that uses it to fail until that said app also has its data cleared and is launched and configured again (first time use). If you've ever wondered why your notifications for certain apps stop working, it was probably due to reading advice on clearing Google Services Framework to solve some other problem.
If you don't mind setting up all of your C2DM capable apps again, then go ahead and clear Google Services Framework data. However, if you have quite a few apps, like myself, then clearing it is a bad idea. I found this out a long time ago. There may also be other side effects associated with clearing Google Services Framework, but this is the one I've never seen mentioned before.
Enjoy!
Awesome info ... which leads to a dumb question:
I've never went in and cleared any framework, but I've lost notifications. I've removed and reinstalled apps, get notifications back, but then they stop again.
Is it safe to assume this is something that's been cooked into the ROM?
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Hmgrepper said:
Awesome info ... which leads to a dumb question:
I've never went in and cleared any framework, but I've lost notifications. I've removed and reinstalled apps, get notifications back, but then they stop again.
Is it safe to assume this is something that's been cooked into the ROM?
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I have had this problem with Facebook if I restore with titanium. I always have to do a clean install for it to notify me...
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To add on to this, here's what Google engineer Dan Morrill had to say about clearing the Google Services Framework data on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
In short, as the OP had said, it's definitely not a good idea to clear the GSF data.
Good to know. Thanks for the informative post!
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To add on to this, here's what Google engineer Dan Morrill had to say about clearing the Google Services Framework data on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
In short, as the OP had said, it's definitely not a good idea to clear the GSF data.
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lol i have cleared the data
now pls help that how to return to og service framework
That checks. Doing this removed my device from the play store and I had to do a soft reset with the keypad
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Hmmm, that's crazy
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C2DM? It seems this is what was used before, but I think things have changed in Android ever since. I'm not an expert or anything, but recent apps are relying on GCM (Google Cloud Messaging) for notifications. The problem is that (to my understanding) GCM comes with Google Play Services and not Google Services Framework. To the point where not only Google Apps need Google Play Services, but other non-Google related apps require it for notifications (such as Facebook's Messenger). So maybe nowadays, clearing data on the Google Services Framework might not imply notification-related problems.
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C2DM? It seems this is what was used before, but I think things have changed in Android ever since. I'm not an expert or anything, but recent apps are relying on GCM (Google Cloud Messaging) for notifications. The problem is that (to my understanding) GCM comes with Google Play Services and not Google Services Framework. To the point where not only Google Apps need Google Play Services, but other non-Google related apps require it for notifications (such as Facebook's Messenger). So maybe nowadays, clearing data on the Google Services Framework might not imply notification-related problems.
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I cleaned the Google service frame work
What should I do know to not arise any effects
Any solution?
Does anybody know a list of pre-installed apps that can be safely "turned off" in our device? This is of course referring to pre-installed apps that can't be uninstalled.
I've read that sometimes turning off certain apparently inoffensive apps may bring instability to the device.
For example, I was just checking my location settings and I saw that AT&T Navigator had been requesting location (with high battery usage), but I don't use that app at all, so I'm plan on turning it off, but I wonder in what other apps that can be done safely.
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Does anybody know a list of pre-installed apps that can be safely "turned off" in our device? This is of course referring to pre-installed apps that can't be uninstalled.
I've read that sometimes turning off certain apparently inoffensive apps may bring instability to the device.
For example, I was just checking my location settings and I saw that AT&T Navigator had been requesting location (with high battery usage), but I don't use that app at all, so I'm plan on turning it off, but I wonder in what other apps that can be done safely.
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Generally the asps that allow you to "disable" them are all okay to turn off.
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I disabled anything that had to do with att.
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The only thing I've found that I had to enable was S Voice, I kept getting a pop up on the camera because it uses it for the selfie camera trigger.
Same here. Disabled everything AT&T and left S Voice active.
Everything ATT except MyAtt and s voice
I've disabled all att stuff and a few other things like s health, s voice, galaxy apps, Samsung account, Samsung billing, Samsung link, remote, print services, ANT services, milk, yahoo weather
I left S Voice alone (other things make use of it), and also Galaxy Apps (allows you to update S Health)
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I've disabled all att stuff and a few other things like s health, s voice, galaxy apps, Samsung account, Samsung billing, Samsung link, remote, print services, ANT services, milk, yahoo weather
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How do disable the Samsung stuff? I can see how to stop it but I don't see an option to disable or turn off.
Also, anyone knows how to disable Lockout? All the options in app info ate greyed out, even force stop
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How do disable the Samsung stuff? I can see how to stop it but I don't see an option to disable or turn off.
Also, anyone knows how to disable Lockout? All the options in app info ate greyed out, even force stop
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Update the app then go to application manager and turn it off.
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Update the app then go to application manager and turn it off.
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Awesome, that worked! Weird that you have to update it to disable it
I realize this is an older thread, but for others that stumble upon it via search, here's a discussion that includes an extensive list of apps to safely be disabled.
(same link as above) http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-att/general/apps-to-disable-removed-att-note-4-t2943779
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Does anybody know a list of pre-installed apps that can be safely "turned off" in our device? This is of course referring to pre-installed apps that can't be uninstalled.
I've read that sometimes turning off certain apparently inoffensive apps may bring instability to the device.
For example, I was just checking my location settings and I saw that AT&T Navigator had been requesting location (with high battery usage), but I don't use that app at all, so I'm plan on turning it off, but I wonder in what other apps that can be done safely.
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You can install package disabler pro for a small fee.. great app but be careful when u use their auto bloatware disable feature because it can disable some stuff that your phone needs to function.. but this app let's you disable stuff that is greyed out in your app manager like music player for example.
Here is another list which I have followed. Not all of them, but quite a few. It definitely made a difference.
Now, I think many of those you would need to be rooted to do. And of course we know that's not much good now for AT&T phones.
I'm on a T-Mobile Note 4, rooted, so I was OK to try. I did the TIBU/Freeze method.
Like the title says, I've noticed since updating to 7.1.2 at least 2-3 times a day I am thrown a notification for "updating Instant Apps" but it never tells me if it was updated or installed. I tried going to Settings -> Google -> Instant Apps and it is disabled yet these apps are auto-downloading and installing in the background. I have auto-updates off on the play store but this still occurs.
Is there anything I can do to disable or at least cripple the instant apps? I'm reading the purpose of instant apps is so you can try an application without installing it, I do not want to test drive apps like Buzzfeed so however I can disable it would be great
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Like the title says, I've noticed since updating to 7.1.2 at least 2-3 times a day I am thrown a notification for "updating Instant Apps" but it never tells me if it was updated or installed. I tried going to Settings -> Google -> Instant Apps and it is disabled yet these apps are auto-downloading and installing in the background. I have auto-updates off on the play store but this still occurs.
Is there anything I can do to disable or at least cripple the instant apps? I'm reading the purpose of instant apps is so you can try an application without installing it, I do not want to test drive apps like Buzzfeed so however I can disable it would be great
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So, using Titanium Backup I couldn't find the package com.google.android.instantapps.supervisor but using a root explorer I found the application in /data/app/com.google.android.instantapps.supervisor-2
I also found saved data in /data/data/com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor
I have no idea if this will prevent the service from auto-updating as it has been without permission but I know where it is now...
Update: Deleting both folders causing settings to crash when you go to Settings -> Google -> Instant apps, so it might be deleted off my phone entirely. I will update if I see the application re-install itself
Instant apps are temporary apps. So you can't uninstall them or disable it. It's a feature built into Android that is not going away. Your only option is to install a rom without Gapps. Otherwise deal with it.
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Instant apps are temporary apps. So you can't uninstall them or disable it. It's a feature built into Android that is not going away. Your only option is to install a rom without Gapps. Otherwise deal with it.
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deleting those two files seemed to have broken that feature.
My issue was that I disabled that service through settings as suggested by one of the google support pages but it would still download and install "Instant Apps" the service throughout the day, not the actual temporary apps themselves. So it's been dealt with lol
oh man, when i saw this i thought i had a virus on my phone.
especially when i couldn't find anything named "instant apps" in the app drawer
I am hoping that this will work for me as well. The first time I saw the instant apps pop up I just connected to a free wifi in Mexico and freaked out. This seriously bothers me. I uninstalled it and it came back update after update. I also will not be using any instant apps, so this is something I want to break.
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I am hoping that this will work for me as well. The first time I saw the instant apps pop up I just connected to a free wifi in Mexico and freaked out. This seriously bothers me. I uninstalled it and it came back update after update. I also will not be using any instant apps, so this is something I want to break.
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some how it was pushed back on to my phone. this is not a permanent solution...
so I'm trying to disable this through other means now and I found something interesting? I need someone with more experience to chime in as far as what these* lines* do*.. and where I found it...
so in /data/data/com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor/shared_prefs/phenotypeConfigurations.xml there are these three lines:
<boolean name="Supervisor__enable_instant_apps" value="true" />
<boolean name="Supervisor__disable_url_resolution" value="false" />
<boolean name="TestFeature__enable_test" value="true" />
I flipped the value of these three entries to see if this will disable it. I find it odd that for the first line it was set for "true" when the settings say it's off. I will update again if I see this come back. My coworker had suggested that this may be built in to the Google app itself? Let's see...
so I had to unroot my phone because I forgot to log into snapchat, then re-root after, and Instant Apps was back yet again. The changes I made to the XML file persisted but the app was back.
I think I found a way to remove it entirely. I used Root Explorer, idk what other applications would work for this. So I navigated back to /data/app/com.google.android.instantapps.supervisor-1 and I clicked the base.apk and I had an option to uninstall, I did this then rebooted my phone to see if reboots are why it fixes itself except the entry for Instant Apps has been removed from settings. This appears to permanently remove this feature.
every time I think I fix this it keeps coming back lol, I finally called Google Support and this is the first they are hearing of it. The application re-installed itself at 430-some Mountain Time on it's own, other times it re-installs upon reboot. I'm going to find a way to cripple it if google cant
I recommend calling support to let them know that Instant Apps is enabled even though the switch says it is disabled.
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every time I think I fix this it keeps coming back lol, I finally called Google Support and this is the first they are hearing of it. The application re-installed itself at 430-some Mountain Time on it's own, other times it re-installs upon reboot. I'm going to find a way to cripple it if google cant
I recommend calling support to let them know that Instant Apps is enabled even though the switch says it is disabled.
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I have the same annoyances, "Installig Instant apps" notification appears randomly during the last month, and reading in the logcat they are updates/patches to the new feature, managed by finsky app (Play Store). The most scaring thing is that one time it appeared also during mobile data connection, which is not acceptable (and 800kb background data from Play Store). Google is being too aggressive with it. Why not simply integrate it and update it along with Play Services like the other 1000 google APIs ? !on WIFI!
Thank you for your tests, unfortunately the update process seems to be triggered by Google Play services itself or by Google play store.
I searched for related alarms/wakelocks in Amplify and could only found one wakelock coming from com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor itself: .ExperimentUpdateService. I decided to keep it as this probably isn't the trigger.
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I have the same annoyances, "Installig Instant apps" notification appears randomly during the last month, and reading in the logcat they are updates/patches to the new feature, managed by finsky app (Play Store). The most scaring thing is that one time it appeared also during mobile data connection, which is not acceptable (and 800kb background data from Play Store). Google is being too aggressive with it. Why not simply integrate it and update it along with Play Services like the other 1000 google APIs ? !on WIFI!
Thank you for your tests, unfortunately the update process seems to be triggered by Google Play services itself or by Google play store.
I searched for related alarms/wakelocks in Amplify and could only found one wakelock coming from com.google.android.apps.instantapps.supervisor itself: .ExperimentUpdateService. I decided to keep it as this probably isn't the trigger.
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yeah that's now my only worrisome complaint is that it ignores the play store settings and will download over any network connection. You can try submitting feedback through settings and suggest they fix this part so that it updates as you said. Thanks for the additional info, I'll try disabling that and report back if it makes any difference. I doubt that's the source of the problem though so I uninstall the apk so something else must be initiating it.
Thank you guys for this thread! I have the regular Pixel and have been seeing this happen... "Instant Apps" was disabled but somehow still updating either itself or something else, and I wondered if there was an additional switch somewhere to disable it. Looks like the answer is no. ?
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So I noticed every time the play store found an update, magically Instant Apps was back. I began to notice that this may be a service built into Play Store and not the Google app itself. So I had an idea, I went into Settings for Android and turned off background data for Play services. Obviously this will affect quite a bit, but honestly I am at that point from fighting this feature that I'd gladly give that up. So far after 2 days I have not seen the application re-install itself. It has been more permanent that the other solutions I've had so far.
There's an article from XDA in Analysis and Opinion talking about Instant Apps and Play Store 7.8.15, apparently this issue is affecting people all the way down to the Samsung S5... although people are hesistant to believe this issue exists for whatever reason.
You can cripple it by restricting its access to internet via firewall. Unfortunately this method also drives up battery consumption as the firewall does jujitsu with "Google Play services for Instant Apps" - I am actively fantasizing about taking my baby sledge to this thing and going back to a "dumb"-phone that doesn't have all this drama constantly! I'm using an S5 right now. This is definitely a google thing. They have a similar self-install-without-asking "feature" on windows via their chrome browser. Just look up "SwReporter" in that program's directory. It self-populates with an executable as you use chrome normally and there is no option in the program for it to not do that. You can safely make a shortcut to that directory and empty it out regularly to restrict its functionality which is presumably for keeping an eye on you. I am also trying an alternate method of changing security to prevent write access to that directory. I have no idea how to do that on an unrooted android. Any ideas? And does anybody know how to cripple "instant apps" malware/spyware backdoor "feature" on an unrooted device without eating battery like crazy?
Today I noticed that Instant Apps was installing without my permission. When I clicked on that notification, it brought me to the Google Play Store. (In Google Play Store, I have auto updates disabled.) I have an unrooted Galaxy Note 4 and I can't even find the settings for Instant Apps under the Google settings. Why aren't the settings there? I found the app in the Apps settings called "Google Play services for Instant Apps" (thank you G1A). I cleared it's the cache and data and then uninstalled it. So I'm assuming it will not come back but you never know.
EDIT: Well the "Google Play services for Instant Apps" reinstalled itself AGAIN WITHOUT MY PERMISSION. Getting sick of tired of Google's POMPOUS business ethics.
If it reinstalled itself.... then his would require root privileges in order to disable.
yeah this issue is annoying, it seems to initiate the download upon every reboot and each time it checks the play store for updates for any of your apps.
I found a way to disable it but it required freezing the app through Titanium Backup. I have NO CLUE why I couldn't see Instant Apps before in this list but it is listed as "Google Play Services for Instant Apps." It does not re-install or try to even download, does not show in Settings under Google, but if you look at the app itself in settings you will see it does still run. I am not sure to what extent but yeeeaahhh at least it doesnt seem like it can run anything
No problem As an update, changing security permissions (specifically for writing) for chrome's target folder Definitely (in windows 10) serves as an effective measure to blockade its ability to regenerate itself. This same method also works for microsoft edge located in the C-Windows-SystemApps folder. I presume that the programming methods would be analogous with android on google's end. Anybody know how to restrict write access to a folder on android? So long as it checks for a folder existing and it does exist (multi-decade programming approach) then it attempts to write to that folder. However, because it's already running in stealth mode (aka background) then it will never show an error message when it fails to execute, and it won't report back either, as that functionality depends on the contents of the targeted folder it is denied access to. It should be effectively crippled without excessive CPU consumption if you can just restrict its ability to write to the default folder that it installs itself in. Any ideas how to execute this kind of blockade?
UPDATE: As a way to cripple not Instant Apps specifically, but an entire host of functionality on the android platform, something called "Power Saving Mode" seems to knock out a key background runtime required for this pest to run. Unfortunately it doesn't let you pick and choose what it shuts off, so other useful apps may lose their functionality too. Post if anybody finds a more app-specific method!
Does this crap have its own separate package? If so, you could uninstall it and make a dummy APK having the same package name. This could prevent "updates" due to signing key conflicts, but might also break things...
Hi Everyone,
I have a Samsung S20+, but this pertains to all Samsungs.
There are certain apps that cannot be disabled or uninstalled on my phone (Ex: Samsung Internet and Microsoft Your Phone Companion). The options to Disable are greyed out and there is no option to Uninstall like other apps.
When going to these apps within Google Play, however, I see the option to uninstall both. I don't want to mess anything up on my phone, but does anyone know if it's safe to uninstall from Google Play and not mess up your phone?
Thanks in advance.
You can use adb to disable both of these.
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Hi Everyone,
I have a Samsung S20+, but this pertains to all Samsungs.
There are certain apps that cannot be disabled or uninstalled on my phone (Ex: Samsung Internet and Microsoft Your Phone Companion). The options to Disable are greyed out and there is no option to Uninstall like other apps.
When going to these apps within Google Play, however, I see the option to uninstall both. I don't want to mess anything up on my phone, but does anyone know if it's safe to uninstall from Google Play and not mess up your phone?
Thanks in advance.
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Yes it's safe.
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Yes it's safe.
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Awesome, thanks!