Lets say (hypothetically) the device doesn't get unlocked in the next few weeks...

Lets say (hypothetically) the device doesn't get unlocked in the next few weeks... - Verizon HTC One (M7)

What do you do?
Do you jump ship to a sure thing that can be unlocked? Do you look into an unlocked developers edition Moto X? Do you jump ship from Verizon and wait for a Nexus 5? These are the questions I have.
ALSO what would you take:
A) Great phone (say Nexus 5) on a sub par carrier? (AT&T/T-Mobile)
or
B) Good phone (Moto X) on a great carrier like Verizon?

I would like a Nexus 5 but oddly, it's cheaper for me to stay on Verizon and the coverage can't be beat. I love the feel of the One and even though I'm an aosp kinda guy, this phone doesn't feel bloated at all when you run a different launcher. I'm easily going to stick this one out till my next upgrade.

Hand76 said:
What do you do?
Do you jump ship to a sure thing that can be unlocked? Do you look into an unlocked developers edition Moto X? Do you jump ship from Verizon and wait for a Nexus 5? These are the questions I have.
ALSO what would you take:
A) Great phone (say Nexus 5) on a sub par carrier? (AT&T/T-Mobile)
or
B) Good phone (Moto X) on a great carrier like Verizon?
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First off, my Verizon HTC One is already unlocked/rooted thanks to doing the HTCDev unlock on day one.
I would still keep this phone though if I was still locked and it didn't get unlocked any time soon. I am very happy with this phone even in stock form. Luckily I do not have to worry about it though. I just really hope ARHD and/or Venom get ported to the Verizon variant. I worry if these will ever get ported though since there is no longer a way to currently unlock/root.

I'm still going to stick it out, I just wish I didnt need to deal with the vzw bloat

I give my devices 6 months.
After that, I find another one
I enjoy this phone a lot though.

so unsure
The debate in my head is eating me up. I don't know what to do!
While I like the phone a lot so far (though, haven't experimented too much). I really don't like the blink feed and a bunch of stuff they've done. I really wish I could just have vanilla 4.2.2 or 4.3
That said though, I really like Verizon's network and I have a discount with Verizon and a family plan. So it's really not so expensive for me.
Will VZW even carry the next nexus subsidized?
I just wish I had bought the phone ~15 mins earlier, then I would be unlocked. Now I just wish there is an unlock before my return period is up.
I think I may return the phone and just wait for something better, but I really don't know! First world problems!

EncodedNybble said:
Will VZW even carry the next nexus subsidized?
I just wish I had bought the phone ~15 mins earlier, then I would be unlocked. Now I just wish there is an unlock before my return period is up.
I think I may return the phone and just wait for something better, but I really don't know! First world problems!
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Chance of Verizon getting a Nexus 5 is slim to none. You want a phone close to stock android unlocked from the start on Verizon the only thing I see on the horizon is the developers edition Moto X.
And yea first world problems indeed.

I like the One even without unlock, so I'll keep it until a better phone comes out. However, after having the iPhone 5 with the metal & glass back and the HTC One and it's all metal body, I will never go back to a plastic body phone. I hope the other manufactures up their quality big time. No more plastic for me.

EncodedNybble said:
The debate in my head is eating me up. I don't know what to do!
While I like the phone a lot so far (though, haven't experimented too much). I really don't like the blink feed and a bunch of stuff they've done. I really wish I could just have vanilla 4.2.2 or 4.3
That said though, I really like Verizon's network and I have a discount with Verizon and a family plan. So it's really not so expensive for me.
Will VZW even carry the next nexus subsidized?
I just wish I had bought the phone ~15 mins earlier, then I would be unlocked. Now I just wish there is an unlock before my return period is up.
I think I may return the phone and just wait for something better, but I really don't know! First world problems!
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Use the APEX Launcher and you won't have mess with BlinkFeed or the vzw bloat, and will have 5 screens to use. And the phone is plenty fast.
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My primary intention with an unlocked bootloader is to go near minimalist while maintaining the integrity of Sense 5. Now that Sense has several incarnations I might even find legacy Sense combined with Sense 5 an interesting custom ROM to run (I.e. Sense 5 with the full screen weather ani.actions that Sense 4 had.)
This is all under the assumption that we get unlocked, which if you consider the history of technology, there is generally no immunization available for a bug yet to be discovered, so hboot 1.54 will definitely get an exploit, the matter is time before technology advances to another stage.
That being said, considering it has taken this long without demonstrated progress to a permaroot situation, it's unlikely that we see one before the return period.
With all that in mind, your best bet isn't to worry about what phone has an exploit available, but what options your phone can have in the future, in this case you have the option to run practically every launcher or software, including Sense, which I happen to like, and from my Dinc days, have seen tons of cross bred ROMs that gave me the option to customize when I was bored. I think ultimately having a daily driver for over a month and I'm pretty much bored with any phone, and I just had the GNex. Had tons of "custom" ROMs, all with the same look and feel. And of course if you're a hardware junkie the One can't be beat imo.
I guess I'll probably keep it but I don't give up hope that we may have an exploit before next Thursday, in which case I'll be thinking much harder about it than I am now.

josh995 said:
I like the One even without unlock, so I'll keep it until a better phone comes out. However, after having the iPhone 5 with the metal & glass back and the HTC One and it's all metal body, I will never go back to a plastic body phone. I hope the other manufactures up their quality big time. No more plastic for me.
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I couldn't agree more! The HTC One is such a sexy piece of engineering. I love that cold sensation you get when you pick it up for the first time in the morning. There is NO way I could go back to anything else!

Personally, I would love to come back to HTC. On the Samsung galaxy note 2 right now and its driving me crazy with dropped calls, dropping 4g to 3g that my rezound, thunderbolt, kids dna's just don't do. Got the Note 2 because of storage and battery life, which are very nice, but the plastic build sucks big time.
Development for the note 2 is pretty good which helps, but honestly, on today's phones, there just isn't a ton of improvement needed out of the box so romming isn't as important.
Quick question: is there even a temporary root option? Biggest concern is being able to keep game data on titanium.

nrfitchett4 said:
Quick question: is there even a temporary root option? Biggest concern is being able to keep game data on titanium.
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Nope not now. And that is a big one for me too.
Google get your %^& together and give us an easy to use backup and restore system in the OS already...How have they not done this already?

josh995 said:
I like the One even without unlock, so I'll keep it until a better phone comes out. However, after having the iPhone 5 with the metal & glass back and the HTC One and it's all metal body, I will never go back to a plastic body phone. I hope the other manufactures up their quality big time. No more plastic for me.
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same thing for me. I played with a motoX in best buy (STT) and not only was it already non-functioning, but damn it felt so cheap compared to this phone. Though I will admit the 4.7 inch screen in such a small housing made it very comfortable to maneuver with one hand (at least as easy as I can tell when working with a blank, non-working screen )

On my DNA I switched back and forth between CM and Sense 5, I love both. I'll stick with the one even if no unlock is achieved because A: I do like sense 5 and B: the build quality on this phone is the best I've ever felt. I would like to give CM a run on this phone though, so I'm hoping for an unlock soon.
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I would still keep my unlocked one
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If I Run Apex/Nova, is Blinkfeed still running in the background?
I want to eliminate the drain from blinkfeed, but will stick to the stock Sense launcher if running Apex is just adding a second layer. Is Sense Launcher loaded if using another launcher?
Thanks!
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I would still keep my unlocked one
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I'm having the same dilemma. Love the hardware/feel of the One, but can't stand sense or the idea if running a skin on top of another skin. Not to mention built in WiFi which I use quite a bit (unlimited plan).
I kept my galaxy nexus longer than any other cellphone since my first in 1993, because I've been able to flash lean ROMs, keeping it useful well beyond it's time.
MotoX developer edition is on the horizon if this phone is not unlocked within a few days.

Frankie1588 said:
First off, my Verizon HTC One is already unlocked/rooted thanks to doing the HTCDev unlock on day one.
I would still keep this phone though if I was still locked and it didn't get unlocked any time soon. I am very happy with this phone even in stock form. Luckily I do not have to worry about it though. I just really hope ARHD and/or Venom get ported to the Verizon variant. I worry if these will ever get ported though since there is no longer a way to currently unlock/root.
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Bad news, venom already said they weren't going to support the verizon one. They're looking at the next verizon htc phone, the really big one.

MajikUF said:
Bad news, venom already said they weren't going to support the verizon one. They're looking at the next verizon htc phone, the really big one.
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Damn, that's disappointing

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What will you retire your DInc for?

So idk how many of you are like me and follow popular android blogs like Droid-life or Android Central, but lately there has been a crazy amount of discussion about all these new super phones that are coming out in the next few months. And also if you are like me, then your contract is going to be up around the holiday season or a little after because that is 20 months after our phone was released.
I am just trying to get a little discussion going about what you think your next phone will be, you can answer my poll and/or just talk about what you are looking for in your next phone. Going for a 4.3in screen? Is 4.5in too big? Must be LTE? Needs HD (720p+) screen? Sticking with HTC? Liking the idea of Google/Moto merger? Ice Cream Sandwich or nothing? Will the next Nexus phone come to Verizon? These are just some of the questions that I am curious about and I'm sure that others are too. Happy discussion!

I love htc phones, dont ask me why. I also love sense, so sonething dual core, 4g capable, sense 3.0 or whatever is newest. Rootable. Has to be verizon, right now i wouldnt change.
If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!

I came from the Eris (got my Inc on eBay), so my contract is actually up next week. I'm probably going to get the Vigor if it has everything that is rumored and actually comes out close to that date. I don't want wait til next year.
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Already jumped that boat and I'm happy.

DROID 3 lol
/droid3

The mythical DInc 3 that's rooted already. It's got 16 cores with 4 GB memory, battery never needs changing cause it's powered by love.
EDIT: Seriously, I don't know. Verizon doesn't get great reception where I'm moving, so USCC is gonna be my next carrier. I heard they're coming with 8 phones and possible LTE by fall sometime, so I'm in a holding pattern, but the Inc rocks, no hurry.
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RMarkwald said:
The mythical DInc 3 that's rooted already. It's got 16 cores with 4 GB memory, battery never needs changing cause it's powered by love.
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Sign me up for a box of these lol! I am usually an HTC man myself, but I think my next phone is going to be moto (unless the Nexus ACTUALLY comes to Verizon). I know I'll probably get some **** for this, but I actually like the new Blur. My biggest problem with HTC is the dock on their phones: it only has 3 spaces, you can't change what they are, and one is wasted on the "personalize" menu which there are like 3 other ways to get to. New Blur lets you customize 3 dock spaces and it just seems more functional. But time will tell.

00McD00 said:
Sign me up for a box of these lol! I am usually an HTC man myself, but I think my next phone is going to be moto (unless the Nexus ACTUALLY comes to Verizon). I know I'll probably get some **** for this, but I actually like the new Blur. My biggest problem with HTC is the dock on their phones: it only has 3 spaces, you can't change what they are, and one is wasted on the "personalize" menu which there are like 3 other ways to get to. New Blur lets you customize 3 dock spaces and it just seems more functional. But time will tell.
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Hey, whatever works for you man, nothing wrong with that! I like HTC, but depends on what USCC will get. Verizon likes to pass on phones, and USCC gets the best reception where I'm moving... Time will tell!
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00McD00 said:
My biggest problem with HTC is the dock on their phones: it only has 3 spaces, you can't change what they are, and one is wasted on the "personalize" menu which there are like 3 other ways to get to. New Blur lets you customize 3 dock spaces and it just seems more functional.
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You can use an alternate launcher or custom rom, unless you're really attatched to sense widgets. I just don't think I'd select a phone based on the manufacturer skin's dock.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of the nexus coming to Verizon but I'm not getting my hopes up. At this point, what's important to me for my next phone to have is LTE, nice screen (preferably SAMOLED), and CM7/MIUI support (this would imply an unlockable bootloader). I wouldn't personally be one to buy a phone first day, I'd prefer to wait and see what issues it has and what the development community is like.

Probably Nexus Prime.
-Sent from my Droid Incredible-

k_nivesout said:
You can use an alternate launcher or custom rom, unless you're really attatched to sense widgets. I just don't think I'd select a phone based on the manufacturer skin's dock.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of the nexus coming to Verizon but I'm not getting my hopes up. At this point, what's important to me for my next phone to have is LTE, nice screen (preferably SAMOLED), and CM7/MIUI support (this would imply an unlockable bootloader). I wouldn't personally be one to buy a phone first day, I'd prefer to wait and see what issues it has and what the development community is like.
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Yeah don't get me wrong, I have been an avid launcher pro user for almost a year. But I would love to be able to just use to stock launcher and just about any one would be usable for me besides sense. And yes being able to unlock it is extremely important to me too, so new HTC phones are looking good for that reason. I am hoping that the Droid HD will follow in the footsteps of the OG.
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Probably Nexus Prime.
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We can only hope so, if that comes to Verizon it will be a glorious day.

Whatever has an AMOLED screen. Its looking like it'll be a Nokia ClearBlack running WP7 or some sort of Samsung Nexus kinda thing. I will certainly miss HTC though when I go!
I know the SLCD's aren't THAT different, but everyone is nitpicky about something and the ever so slight difference just happens to be something that gets to me horribly. I have been intrigued by WP7 for a long time anyways, and I'm sure it will be even more polished by the time I'm ready to peace out the Dinc.
Sense is awesome, and most (non-dev everyday) people I know who have a post-Nexus One HTC phone are in love with it, while there seems to be a large amount of "how come mine doesn't have that" coming from (non-dev everyday) people with other Android devices. I figure the positive feedback I see with WP7 and Nokias recent hardware will give me a solid alternative in 10 months when its time to upgrade.

k_nivesout said:
You can use an alternate launcher or custom rom, unless you're really attatched to sense widgets. I just don't think I'd select a phone based on the manufacturer skin's dock.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of the nexus coming to Verizon but I'm not getting my hopes up. At this point, what's important to me for my next phone to have is LTE, nice screen (preferably SAMOLED), and CM7/MIUI support (this would imply an unlockable bootloader). I wouldn't personally be one to buy a phone first day, I'd prefer to wait and see what issues it has and what the development community is like.
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You can't install any launcher on a Sense ROM. And ADW can kiss my ass for 6 or 7 bucks to do a fraction of what Sense does. I'd suggest hunting down one of the patches that allows you to remap those dock buttons. Something like Myn's Rosie or use a rom that remaps them. I thought pretty much all custom Sense ROMs allowed remapping of 2, if not all the buttons.

RMarkwald said:
Hey, whatever works for you man, nothing wrong with that! I like HTC, but depends on what USCC will get. Verizon likes to pass on phones, and USCC gets the best reception where I'm moving... Time will tell!
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US Cellular? I'm not sure how much of what they say I'd believe. For those who don't know, they're a CDMA carrier which has strongholds in Chicago and many areas of West Virginia.
Not too terribly long ago before the introduction of EVDO Rev.A, USC operated a CDMA network that both Alltel and Verizon used under an interoperability agreement. The problem was US Cellular didn't use standard 1xRTT or EVDO and Alltel and Verizon devices couldn't authenticate on their network. They were possibly THE LAST adopter of EVDO Rev.0 and as of last year still hadn't fully deployed EVDO Rev.A across their network. It was only in the last year and half they got their network compliant with the standards Alltel and Verizon use across IL, and still their coverage is horrible.
In short, I'd be pretty skeptical about any claims they make about LTE until I actually saw proof.

Nokia - Windows Phone. That is assuming Big Red gets a high end one (latest net rumors say they are). Who knows.
If they don't and there is no talk of it coming... I may look into the Nexus Prime if it's on Verizon. Like somebody else said, It's got to be AMOLED.
If it isn't.... I'll be checking out Sprint.

Nothing worth changing for yet
If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!

Another HTC phone I am extremely satisfied with my ability to tinker with this phone especially with the prls. I've got 3g in places I used to get 1x. And miui.us is tight
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I love HTC and Sense but I voted for the Samsung Galaxy SII.
However, in reality, I will probably go for the phone that has the best battery life be that a Samsung or an HTC phone - I'm not wild about Motorola phones.
I am so tired of the crappy battery life on my DInc.

I'm still not sure which phone I'm going to go for, I could upgrade at any moment but I think I'm going to wait. I originally had an OG droid and I loved the sturdyness of Moto's build quality, but I love the lightness and the look of sense on the Incredible.
One thing is for sure I need 4G, at least dual core, 1GB+ RAM, still haven't decided on screen size yet (at least 4"+).
I think I'm going to wait until ICS drops since I'm already in debt up to my earlobes :lol: Buying the Transformer didn't help that.

loonatik78 said:
You can't install any launcher on a Sense ROM. And ADW can kiss my ass for 6 or 7 bucks to do a fraction of what Sense does. I'd suggest hunting down one of the patches that allows you to remap those dock buttons. Something like Myn's Rosie or use a rom that remaps them. I thought pretty much all custom Sense ROMs allowed remapping of 2, if not all the buttons.
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Selling my HTCDev Unlocked One....where to go next....

Like the title says, I have my HTCDev Unlocked VZW One listed on Swappa. Love the phone, love roms, etc etc, but like many others I'm disappointed with the shutdown of unlocking the bootloaders. And FYI, yes, I bought the phone with the knowledge of them being unlockable (checked 5 minutes before I bought), then they got locked down, and I was gonna return it because of that, but I know many people would be upset me with taking back "one of the six" unlocked phones to Verizon. Just doesn't seem right, it could be in a developers hands.
In any event, I didn't necessarily wanna start a debate of f-this phone or that, but I'm looking to go in the direction of the most developer friendly phone, current or upcoming (preferably upcoming). At the moment, I'm leaning Moto-X Dev Edition. I am happy they did Dev Editions and am a strong supporter of them. What I'm wondering is if it will get the dev support on our carrier it should, with only having dev editions vs all of em being unlocked. LG G2 - bootloader status unknown (past devices) as well as past-time hating LG devices, as well as hating touchwiz (yes, I made that reference on purpose). However, I'm also considering the Note 3 (still hating touchwiz) dev edition. As much as I disliked touchwiz, the Note 2 was probably my favorite device to date.
In any event, like most of the users on here, just wanting to get some feedback on dev-friendly devices that VZW will be seeing. AND NO, I'M NOT SWITCHING CARRIERS.

TechSavvy2 said:
Like the title says, I have my HTCDev Unlocked VZW One listed on Swappa. Love the phone, love roms, etc etc, but like many others I'm disappointed with the shutdown of unlocking the bootloaders. And FYI, yes, I bought the phone with the knowledge of them being unlockable (checked 5 minutes before I bought), then they got locked down, and I was gonna return it because of that, but I know many people would be upset me with taking back "one of the six" unlocked phones to Verizon. Just doesn't seem right, it could be in a developers hands.
In any event, I didn't necessarily wanna start a debate of f-this phone or that, but I'm looking to go in the direction of the most developer friendly phone, current or upcoming (preferably upcoming). At the moment, I'm leaning Moto-X Dev Edition. I am happy they did Dev Editions and am a strong supporter of them. What I'm wondering is if it will get the dev support on our carrier it should, with only having dev editions vs all of em being unlocked. LG G2 - bootloader status unknown (past devices) as well as past-time hating LG devices, as well as hating touchwiz (yes, I made that reference on purpose). However, I'm also considering the Note 3 (still hating touchwiz) dev edition. As much as I disliked touchwiz, the Note 2 was probably my favorite device to date.
In any event, like most of the users on here, just wanting to get some feedback on dev-friendly devices that VZW will be seeing. AND NO, I'M NOT SWITCHING CARRIERS.
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Get a GNEX that's about it.

A lot of S4s still come with mdk out of the box. Even though ME7 is locked tighter than fort knox, if you get one on mdk, I think that's about as dev friendly as it gets on Verizon right now.
To be totally honest, you might want to be patient and wait a bit. The One is one of, if not THE most popular phone in the world, with crazy dev support on other carriers. I'm not sure how popular the X will be, especially since its getting mixed to good reviews so far and not nearly as widely available as the One and S4 are. If the One gets unlocked or S-off, it could very well be the most dev supported phone on Verizon very quickly. But maybe it's that "if" part you're tired of dealing with.
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jntdroid said:
If the One gets unlocked or S-off, it could very well be the most dev supported phone on Verizon very quickly. But maybe it's that "if" party you're tired of dealing with.
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It's only a matter of time. Every device, to my knowledge, has eventually had an exploit or workaround. Might have to wait until Verizon pushes an OTA but it will eventually happen. And again, to my knowledge, I believe the One is the only quad-core on Verizon at the moment, so even if it leads the pack in that respect, it will be a while until it's matched and bettered in terms of raw processing capability. If you get a quadrant on it, it's into the 13,000's, it'll make you feel better about holding onto it.

rmaccamr said:
It's only a matter of time. Every device, to my knowledge, has eventually had an exploit or workaround. Might have to wait until Verizon pushes an OTA but it will eventually happen. And again, to my knowledge, I believe the One is the only quad-core on Verizon at the moment, so even if it leads the pack in that respect, it will be a while until it's matched and bettered in terms of raw processing capability. If you get a quadrant on it, it's into the 13,000's, it'll make you feel better about holding onto it.
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I hate making assumptions like that, but that's my hope as well. And the S4 is quad core, same processory, clocked higher than the One.

Are the really only 6 that got unlocked? I'd have thought it was more than that.
I was at Verizon when they opened to purchase mine and went right back to work and unlocked it.

So its been out for a week or so tops and you cant wait to see what happens? While I enjoyed my Galaxy S3, the One is a far superior phone in build quality and even though the S4 is a tad bit better in specs, its still crappy plastic and feels cheap. I can see if you still have a chance to take it back and exchange it free and clear, I still have a week myself, I'd like to wait and see what happens with this phone. Honestly there is nothing else for me to go to, I dont care about the MotoX even in Dev form because I dont see it as being any better than what I got, same with the Droid line in general, they are all locked down as well and have been for some time. If I would think about the S4, there is no chance I would get one that I could do anything with and its back to vanilla unrooted again anyways. The LG-G2 looks really nice but their reputation for phones isnt all that great.
So I think I'm just going to stick it out and see what happens, if I had an already unlocked One there would be no way I'd be switching at this point.

91ludesit said:
Are the really only 6 that got unlocked? I'd have thought it was more than that.
I was at Verizon when they opened to purchase mine and went right back to work and unlocked it.
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There were more than 6. I'm not sure what OP means by that
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josh995 said:
There were more than 6. I'm not sure what OP means by that
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It's a joke from the other thread. I'm one of the illustrious 6 I guess lol.

Just bought your phone, can't wait to get it!

There are 20 people on the unlocked list here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2416238
And I am sure there were more who didn't see it or didn't bother posting in it.
As far as the OP as concerned - I guess it would depend on your android preferences. In the last 6 months I went from...
1. Gnex - absolutely loved it - but dat battery life and after owning 18 months I just wanted a new phone :/
2. Note2 - way to big (obligatory "that's what she said), the screen looked washed out to me. I think 720p at that size not so good maybe, hated touchwiz.
3. GS4 - beautiful screen - ridiculously awesome screen, awesome battery life. If I hadn't have taken the update (stupid, stupid, stupid me) maybe would have kept it. But again - I hate touchwiz. TouchWiz really is a train wreck. I mean 4 tabs in the settings page? And I HATE physical buttons!
4. HTC One - build quality was out of this world, screen is awesome. Speakers awesome (but I always connect to bluetooth sound so...) Battery meh, Sense 5 meh. Better than TouchWiz but not as good (for me) as vanilla Android). Camera meh (in my opinion), I don't care what you call your pixels if there's only 4 of them - meh. PHYSICAL BUTTONS - why?
I was Dev Unlocked on the One - but what does it matter if no one else is? I don't have the skills to pay the bills. So the One is on its way to NYC via Swappa.
5. MotoX - love it. Will sell it and buy the Developer Edition when it releases. I just love vanilla android. The phone feels good in your hand - like the One. Even though it is plastic - it doesn't feel like Samsung plastic (hard to explain). But I would say if the build quality of the One was a ten then the X would be a 7 in comparison. Great size. Good size screen in a smaller package because of bezel elimination. Camera meh. Battery. So far so good. But I haven't had it 24 hours so we'll see. Development though is meh right now as well. But I can live with less Development on the MX because it comes pretty much the way I want it whereas the with the One I was hoping for an AOSP build. Oh - and no physical buttons!
So yeah. That's my ramblings.

thepolishguy said:
There are 20 people on the unlocked list here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2416238
And I am sure there were more who didn't see it or didn't bother posting in it.
As far as the OP as concerned - I guess it would depend on your android preferences. In the last 6 months I went from...
1. Gnex - absolutely loved it - but dat battery life and after owning 18 months I just wanted a new phone :/
2. Note2 - way to big (obligatory "that's what she said), the screen looked washed out to me. I think 720p at that size not so good maybe, hated touchwiz.
3. GS4 - beautiful screen - ridiculously awesome screen, awesome battery life. If I hadn't have taken the update (stupid, stupid, stupid me) maybe would have kept it. But again - I hate touchwiz. TouchWiz really is a train wreck. I mean 4 tabs in the settings page? And I HATE physical buttons!
4. HTC One - build quality was out of this world, screen is awesome. Speakers awesome (but I always connect to bluetooth sound so...) Battery meh, Sense 5 meh. Better than TouchWiz but not as good (for me) as vanilla Android). Camera meh (in my opinion), I don't care what you call your pixels if there's only 4 of them - meh. PHYSICAL BUTTONS - why?
I was Dev Unlocked on the One - but what does it matter if no one else is? I don't have the skills to pay the bills. So the One is on its way to NYC via Swappa.
5. MotoX - love it. Will sell it and buy the Developer Edition when it releases. I just love vanilla android. The phone feels good in your hand - like the One. Even though it is plastic - it doesn't feel like Samsung plastic (hard to explain). But I would say if the build quality of the One was a ten then the X would be a 7 in comparison. Great size. Good size screen in a smaller package because of bezel elimination. Camera meh. Battery. So far so good. But I haven't had it 24 hours so we'll see. Development though is meh right now as well. But I can live with less Development on the MX because it comes pretty much the way I want it whereas the with the One I was hoping for an AOSP build. Oh - and no physical buttons!
So yeah. That's my ramblings.
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Haha, yeah, that's what I'm thinking right now too. Probably gonna shoot for Moto X Dev Edition, was gonna do exactly what you did, but I had a backup GNex laying around and figured I could crack flash in it for a while till Dev edition releases.
I'm a phone freak....I've got a problem, I admit. I've seriously had 20 phones over maybe the 2 years. Only 1 at a time, and even bought same phone at different times. I gotta quit this, haha.
And yeah, the "6 of us" thing was a joke from cm10.2 thread. Didn't even see that other thread about actually unlocked people.
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You can take me off that list... had to replace it b/c of a bad volume rocker...

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Just bought your phone, can't wait to get it!
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:good::good::good::good:
Can't ship till Tuesday cuz of the holiday obviously.
Feel free to pm me if you need help with anything on it. I'm on here a lot.
EDIT - This message brought to you from......your phone........lolz. Gonna reactivate the GNex now though, no worries, haha

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:good::good::good::good:
Can't ship till Tuesday cuz of the holiday obviously.
Feel free to pm me if you need help with anything on it. I'm on here a lot.
EDIT - This message brought to you from......your phone........lolz. Gonna reactivate the GNex now though, no worries, haha
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Your listing reminded me that I needed to email my buyer his unlock code. Completely forgot about that.
I gave my Dad my Gnex or I would have done what you did. And yea - I have got the same problem as you do. I am (in all seriousness) actually getting tired of being so tech addicted. I am going to TRY and just get this Dev Edition X and call it quits for at least 18 months (famous last words). Unless Verizon actual gets another Nexus which will probably never happen.

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Your listing reminded me that I needed to email my buyer his unlock code. Completely forgot about that.
I gave my Dad my Gnex or I would have done what you did. And yea - I have got the same problem as you do. I am (in all seriousness) actually getting tired of being so tech addicted. I am going to TRY and just get this Dev Edition X and call it quits for at least 18 months (famous last words). Unless Verizon actual gets another Nexus which will probably never happen.
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If you were really trying to ditch the tech addiction, you should get the locked X, not the dev edition.
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Sooo I am waiting to see if this device gets rooted and a black one becomes available through Verizon.
But at this point as much as it pains me to do so I will probably wait till all the fall phones cards are on the table and make a decision come October what phone I should get. Htc One? Developers Edition Moto x? Or (the way I think I am currently leaning) a Nexus 5?

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If you were really trying to ditch the tech addiction, you should get the locked X, not the dev edition.
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Good point. I already have the locked X though. But I won't be able to pass on the Dev Edition. Just in case. Especially since I paid retail for the locked X. I am going to Swappa it and fund my Dev Edition.

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Good point. I already have the locked X though. But I won't be able to pass on the Dev Edition. Just in case. Especially since I paid retail for the locked X. I am going to Swappa it and fund my Dev Edition.
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Gotcha - how are you liking it vs the One? And is it Verizon?
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Gotcha - how are you liking it vs the One? And is it Verizon?
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Yes - on Verizon.
I'll tell you - after coming from the GS4 and the One I was really worried that the screen would bother me. But I seriously don't notice any difference. But here's the thing. I am not super picky about some things. I am mostly picky about software (vanilla versus OEM skins). I love vanilla Android and I love on screen buttons.
I also decided (and everyone will have their own opinion on this which is fine) that as far as a pocket-able device; I don't want a really big device. I have a Nexus72013 to cover that. The One is not bad at all. But it is a little on the tall side. But like the Note2 and Note3 - I just don't need that size. What's nice about the MX is that it kept a pretty good screen size but eliminated a lot of bezel.
So for me - I love the MX

Thinking of trading my s4 for the htc one... should I?

So I recently got the s4 and so far it's been alright but I don't really like touchwiz plus the bootloader is currently locked on it. Is the htc able to flash roms currently and do you think I should trade? Thanks for you input!

HTC one is in the same boat. Its locked unless you were lucky enough to unlock on day one. But as a Phone itself I woyld switch
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I'd do it. Absolutely love my One.
One can be s-off'd via Sonics thread. Then you can flash whatever you'd like.

coldconfession13 said:
HTC one is in the same boat. Its locked unless you were lucky enough to unlock on day one. But as a Phone itself I woyld switch
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So you're saying if I were to trade it in now the htc one I would get would be locked for sure?

Well unless u trade with someone that has an unlocked boot loader. But it wouldn't be a fair trade as your device is locked
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coldconfession13 said:
Well unless u trade with someone that has an unlocked boot loader. But it wouldn't be a fair trade as your device is locked
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Well I would be trading it in to best buy since I am within the 15 days.

Then I would trade it
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I had an S4 and I sold it and bought this.
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-So you're saying if I were to trade it in now the htc one I would get would be locked for sure?
-Well I would be trading it in to best buy since I am within the 15 days.
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yes. any new, not already unlocked HTC One's on vzw are currently locked as well. However, if you REALLY need unlock super urgently, you can pay a small fee and send the phone to a member of this community who bought a javacard and can s-off your phone. But, like a lot of people say (and I tend to agree) dont buy a phone that you wouldnt run stock. If you only want to one to root, but there's another phone out there that works for you without root, I would honestly go with the other phone.
Personally, I am loving this phone, and one of my best friends has the S4. The features are cool, but the One is just so much nicer. I would trade, unless something else catches your eye that you'd be happy running stock

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yes. any new, not already unlocked HTC One's on vzw are currently locked as well. However, if you REALLY need unlock super urgently, you can pay a small fee and send the phone to a member of this community who bought a javacard and can s-off your phone. But, like a lot of people say (and I tend to agree) dont buy a phone that you wouldnt run stock. If you only want to one to root, but there's another phone out there that works for you without root, I would honestly go with the other phone.
Personally, I am loving this phone, and one of my best friends has the S4. The features are cool, but the One is just so much nicer. I would trade, unless something else catches your eye that you'd be happy running stock
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Thanks, this is the answer I was looking for! I feel I would enjoy stock on the htc one better.

Having both phones, (well s4 is getting screen repaired will be home soon) I would chose HTC One.
So solid and HTC Sense kicks the Touchwiz by a mile, the phone is perfect size, I could go on but I personally would go for the One, s4 is great as well and I do like it, but the htc one is so build so solid I trust it more. it just beats things for me in every aspect except the s4 having sd card, but htc one has 32gb internal which is plenty I just like the option for sd card, but def not a deal breaker esp with 32GB. compared to 16GB on s4 at same price.

Pick up a meenova for extra storage space.

I had a Galaxy S4 for 2 weeks, and now I have the ONE. Mine is used for work and personal, and I will say that the One is amazing. The text, email UI 's are 100000 times better looking and better functioning than the Samsung crap. I've had the Captivate, GS3/4, so I am not anti Sansung at all. The One feels premium, the screen is awesome, Sense 5 is actually good, the battery life is on par with the GS4, and the speakers are great. In my opinion, the One is the better phone in every aspect, unless you like a bigger screen.

I'm waiting for a black one on verizon to sell my black gs4 (or if someone wants to trade me) or i'll just wait for the htc m8 (assuming verizon doesnt take 6 months to release it again. I hope they fix the stupid button placement and put the normal 3 capacitive buttons on it.

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So I recently got the s4 and so far it's been alright but I don't really like touchwiz plus the bootloader is currently locked on it. Is the htc able to flash roms currently and do you think I should trade? Thanks for you input!
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I just traded my S4 for the HTC One yesterday, well really switched carriers from Sprint to VZW. The S4 has a lot of features with its TW ROM but found myself never using them. If the TW features are not a big deal to you then i will make the switch. HTC One looks sleek and feels like a $200 phone. What really made me change was that speakers are on the front. There's more that i can talk about but I'm very satisfy with my switch. I'm disappointed that root is so difficult on VZW.

from my experience the only benefit of the s4 is a user replaceable battery a sd card slot and the camera is sharper. If those don't matter allot to you i would go with the One.

So I ended up switching! So far I like sense a lot better and the one seems much snappier! Anyone know of a sweet case for this phone?

ThaMuffenMan said:
I'm waiting for a black one on verizon to sell my black gs4 (or if someone wants to trade me) or i'll just wait for the htc m8 (assuming verizon doesnt take 6 months to release it again. I hope they fix the stupid button placement and put the normal 3 capacitive buttons on it.
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I don't think the black One will be released on Verizon
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So I ended up switching! So far I like sense a lot better and the one seems much snappier! Anyone know of a sweet case for this phone?
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Look into Supcase and Poetic, they both normally have a clear back so you don't have to cover up the beautifulness that is the One. :angel:

I have the spigen ultra thin. There's a glossy one and a matte one. I have the matte one and I can still see the phone through the case. Looks great
http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/htc/htc-one/htc-one-case-ultra-thin-air.html

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I have the spigen ultra thin. There's a glossy one and a matte one. I have the matte one and I can still see the phone through the case. Looks great
http://www.spigen.com/cell-phone/htc/htc-one/htc-one-case-ultra-thin-air.html
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Same here. Excellent case.
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Bye all, thanks and good luck.

It's been a month, and having no further evidence that a software exploit for permanent root/unlocked bootloader is near being released, I'm dumping my HTC One. Hate to have to leave HTC, but with carrier restrictions and not having the ability to customize my device without sending it 2000 miles away, I'm not going to sit on this phone and watch it die for 6 months, then be stuck with it.
I've debated back and forth, and refuse to send my device out to get S-off. I don't think many developers are going to be interested enough to buy the device if they don't already have it knowing this is the only option of doing so. But I do thank Sonic for helping a lot of us out.
Thanks for the help most of you have given me, good luck, and hopefully an exploit comes out by Friday morning.

Have fun. Good luck
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Best you stick with nexus and dev devices if you care so deeply about rooting your phone. No ones going to stop you from leaving but just know all of us will still be enjoying the beautiful hardware of the HTC one
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rmaccamr said:
It's been a month, and having no further evidence that a software exploit for permanent root/unlocked bootloader is near being released, I'm dumping my HTC One. Hate to have to leave HTC, but with carrier restrictions and not having the ability to customize my device without sending it 2000 miles away, I'm not going to sit on this phone and watch it die for 6 months, then be stuck with it.
I've debated back and forth, and refuse to send my device out to get S-off. I don't think many developers are going to be interested enough to buy the device if they don't already have it knowing this is the only option of doing so. But I do thank Sonic for helping a lot of us out.
Thanks for the help most of you have given me, good luck, and hopefully an exploit comes out by Friday morning.
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... Wow... Your own fault... And you had to make this posy because.... Man whatever... People never get smarter...
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Meh, not sure how much I respect the "look at me" post, but as a person who just switched from a Verizon Gnex to this phone today, the post really needed to be made because it does reflect on more peoples opinion than just his
i guess if you can't take the stock, keep out of the non nexus'....OK that was bad
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AllenConder said:
Meh, not sure how much I respect the "look at me" post, but as a person who just switched from a Verizon Gnex to this phone today, the post really needed to be made because it does reflect on more peoples opinion than just his
i guess if you can't take the stock, keep out of the non nexus'....OK that was bad
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Yea pretty much follow the golden rule. If you aren't fine running stock don't buy it... Unless its a nexus then you get cake.
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I would like to think that your life would be much better if you didn't get so upset about somebody else's choice.

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I would like to think that your life would be much better if you didn't get so upset about somebody else's choice.
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Just jumped ship for the same reason s4 rooted here I come will miss Zoe :silly:

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I would like to think that your life would be much better if you didn't get so upset about somebody else's choice.
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Or someone posting something for drama lol.
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After being a crack flahser for 2 years, I decided that I was spending 6-8 hours per week flashing ROM's. Why, because I could. Other than the few customizations I did, my primary use for an unlocked and rooted phone was to use Google Wallet. Since my new CC offers me an NFC card, I don't even need Wallet. That said, I purchased the One as I wanted a FAST phone without having to tweak it and spend hours unlocking and swapping ROMS.
Point being, the ONE may not be the phone for you if you want to unlock it and customize it further. This is one of those things that you should have been aware of when you purchased it. If knowing there was no exploit availble, and you purchased it with the hopes that there would be, that was your mistake and I agree, you should get rid of it. NEVER purchase a device that has not already been exploited if you like to flash ROMS.

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After being a crack flahser for 2 years, I decided that I was spending 6-8 hours per week flashing ROM's. Why, because I could. Other than the few customizations I did, my primary use for an unlocked and rooted phone was to use Google Wallet. Since my new CC offers me an NFC card, I don't even need Wallet. That said, I purchased the One as I wanted a FAST phone without having to tweak it and spend hours unlocking and swapping ROMS.
Point being, the ONE may not be the phone for you if you want to unlock it and customize it further. This is one of those things that you should have been aware of when you purchased it. If knowing there was no exploit availble, and you purchased it with the hopes that there would be, that was your mistake and I agree, you should get rid of it. NEVER purchase a device that has not already been exploited if you like to flash ROMS.
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AMEN.
Some of the great phones of the past took months to unlock, and the people who waited ended up with awesome
Phones. Anyone who thought this vzw phone would be rooted in a few weeks isn't real bright.
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For all of you that are dumping your Ones for something else BYE . But Im almost possitive there is an exploit for this device and it will not be released untill the 4.3 update rolls out so that it dont get patched , thas my two cents . If after the release there is no exploit , I will then send my SEXY Blue BEAST out to Sonic and let him sprinkle some magic on it , and then we will have Tranquil on our Ones.

Mike02z said:
After being a crack flahser for 2 years, I decided that I was spending 6-8 hours per week flashing ROM's. Why, because I could. Other than the few customizations I did, my primary use for an unlocked and rooted phone was to use Google Wallet. Since my new CC offers me an NFC card, I don't even need Wallet. That said, I purchased the One as I wanted a FAST phone without having to tweak it and spend hours unlocking and swapping ROMS.
Point being, the ONE may not be the phone for you if you want to unlock it and customize it further. This is one of those things that you should have been aware of when you purchased it. If knowing there was no exploit availble, and you purchased it with the hopes that there would be, that was your mistake and I agree, you should get rid of it. NEVER purchase a device that has not already been exploited if you like to flash ROMS.
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This. The only things that bother me with sense is the cluttered status bar, the wifi persistent notification, and few other other things.

I just picked up my One last night, having been swayed by the irresistible Best Buy price this week. I'm coming from a Thunderbolt, which was my first Android phone and one on which I had a lot of fun learning to root and ROM. I did that to my heart's content on that phone.
Having said that, I came over to this device because, well, yeah, the price... but also because it's such a massive hardware upgrade over the Tbolt. I moved over to this phone with my eyes wide open. I know there's no exploit at present for the One, and I accept that there may never be one. I'm not crazy about Sense, so one of the first things I did was to run Nova Launcher. Bye bye Blinkfeed, etc. I'll be fine running this phone stock unless and until.

I agree with the general consensus here: don't get a phone you won't be happy with stock.
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I just picked up my One last night, having been swayed by the irresistible Best Buy price this week. I'm coming from a Thunderbolt, which was my first Android phone and one on which I had a lot of fun learning to root and ROM. I did that to my heart's content on that phone.
Having said that, I came over to this device because, well, yeah, the price... but also because it's such a massive hardware upgrade over the Tbolt. I moved over to this phone with my eyes wide open. I know there's no exploit at present for the One, and I accept that there may never be one. I'm not crazy about Sense, so one of the first things I did was to run Nova Launcher. Bye bye Blinkfeed, etc. I'll be fine running this phone stock unless and until.
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Congrats on the major hardware upgrade I had the Thunderbolt for a little while, wasn't a big fan, then got the Rezound. Loved the Rezound. But yes, the HTC One is an amazing device, even stock. I also didn't like blinkfeed, so I am, too, using the Nova launcher.
To the OP, thanks for stopping by, good luck with you future devices. I'll hold out for a hopefull exploit after 4.3 is released, and like others have said, if that doesn't turn out, hopefully I can send my phone to Sonic to get s-off.

Should never buy a phone with the expectation that it will be unlocked. Especially in such a short time frame.
I don't think it was necessary to make a post about getting rid of your phone, but to each their own.
I hope you find the phone that works for you. Just don't buy a phone you aren't happy with out of the box. Sounds like you should either buy a nexus phone, a dev edition phone, or wait and buy a phone that the community has already exploited.
Sent from my HTC One.

I think I agree with most people when I say this, I didn't buy the One for it's root or ROM capabilities I bought it because the phone is awesome. I personally think HTC did a great job with Sense 5, before I used this I was on the Thunderbolt and it was still a good phone I'm glad u went with HTC. The only reason I care for root now is adblock and uninstalling Verizon's apps.
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Thank you
Thank you .............................

Still have confidence in XDA Dev's
I can sorta see both sides of this. To me the HTC one is the best phone I have owned BY FAR! S4 was great phone but I like the build, screen, and speaker quality of this one better.
I get the "Don't by the phone if you aren't happy running stock" line of thinking. However, I buy these phones with full confidence that XDA developers will find an exploit within a reasonably short time. Every phone I have owned way back to the Driod X were rootable within a short time. Am I wrong for thinking that?

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I get the "Don't by the phone if you aren't happy running stock" line of thinking. However, I buy these phones with full confidence that XDA developers will find an exploit within a reasonably short time. Every phone I have owned way back to the Driod X were rootable within a short time. Am I wrong for thinking that?
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I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong for thinking anything. You would be wrong, however, in buying a phone with expectations that devs would root the phone and then throw a fit if they don't. If you think they owe you something - I'm not saying you do - or if you think you deserve their efforts on your phone of choice then you would be wrong in that.
The advice to buy a phone you love AS-IS is great advice because if you don't get what you're hoping for, you're still good with your choice.
Is it wrong to hope the devs get you squared away quick? No. Is it wrong to demand it of them? Yes.

Confused - S4 Sucked will HTC One be any better - Back to iPhone

So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks

I think u already know u want the Crapple.
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jorv976 said:
I think u already know u want the Crapple.
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Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.

rmd0311 said:
Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.
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There are several Google Play Edition and CM-based ROMs for the HTC One in the development section.
I was kind of in the same boat as you. I had an iPhone 5 but I missed the customization of Android, plus I REALLY wanted a bigger screen. Got a Galaxy S4 but really didn't like it - too locked down and TouchWiz sucks.
So, sold the S4 and got the HTC One. First thing I did was mail it off for S-OFF (before the software S-OFF was available). Unlocked bootloader and debloated this thing. Right now, I'm running completely stock ROM with bloat removed because I actually like Sense. It's FANTASTIC in all regards.

There's already several solid options for the stock android experience in the original development thread + slimrom which isn't listed. Have you read anything on this forum yet? + its already s-off and unlocked.

With a software exploit only made availble a couple of weeks ago, it will take time for a large amount of ROMS to be released. There are already 5-7 and more coming every day. If you like tinkering, not even sure why you would consider an iPhone. Even my 70 year old mother got bored of the iPhone and made the switch to Android.
If you want a solid phone that works and you don't mind drinking the Apple Kool Aid and remaining totally stock, get the iPhone 5. If you want anything more from your device, get an HTC One. Pretty simple really.

Came from the Gnex just like you and got antsy at upgrade time and pulled the trigger early and got the S4, too. While it was a decent phone, the bloat was unbelievable and I found that I'm no fan of touchwiz. And I agree that the notification area is bombed out pretty heavily.
I returned my S4 after a week because the One was available on Verizon and never looked back. Completely happy on stock with a couple mods from the themes and apps section and Xposed framework. I'm curious to try Viper when it's available for us but truly am content with stock until then.
I'm not going to dump on the iPhone. It's a solidly built, locked down device. My wife has one and is happy with it but I like to tinker and have all the options that Android brings to the table. There's quite a few solid AOSP and Sense based roms right now, like others have said before me, and it looks like more are coming.

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Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.
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I think you'll be surprised with Sense. It's actually pretty nice, especially for photos, etc. Like mentioned before, though, if you like tinkering you're just wasting your time getting an iPhone.

Mike02z said:
With a software exploit only made availble a couple of weeks ago, it will take time for a large amount of ROMS to be released. There are already 5-7 and more coming every day. If you like tinkering, not even sure why you would consider an iPhone. Even my 70 year old mother got bored of the iPhone and made the switch to Android.
If you want a solid phone that works and you don't mind drinking the Apple Kool Aid and remaining totally stock, get the iPhone 5. If you want anything more from your device, get an HTC One. Pretty simple really.
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Yes. And you don't want to wait too long to get it either. The thing with software exploits is that they can be easily patched, which is guaranteed to happen to the current rumrunner s-off exploit with the 4.3 roll out. This is perhaps the only occasion where Verizon's slow upgrade actually works in the consumer's favor.

rmd0311 said:
So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks
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Like you, I tried the iPhone for a little while and while its a great device, I can see why a lot of people like it, I just got bored with the UI and frustrated by the lack of capabilities after about 6 months and bought the S3. The S3 was a fantastic phone, TW wasn't so heavy that it effected phone performance severely and overall I was very happy. We switched from Sprint to Verizon and when we did, I bought the S4. I figured I liked the S3 so much that the S4 could only be better. Boy was I wrong, TW has grown to be far too large, device performance was disappointing and the UI is starting to look dated. There were ROMs available to alleviate some of my concerns but overall I was never satisfied with it.
So, I decided to try out the One after I saw S-OFF was achieved. To be honest, I've rooted, jailbroke, unlocked, etc all of my phones since the HTC mogul in 2007. This is the first time I've stayed on a basically stock ROM when other options were available. Sense 5 is so nice, it's very smooth, light weight, and unlike TW doesn't seem like its trying to cover up Android. The HTC One and the S4 use the same processor but the fluidity and general performance on the One is noticeably better, even with the CPU underclocked. The hardware is my favorite of any phone available, its beautiful, sleek and feels really nice in my hand. I'd say at least go play with one before deciding. After I spent 10 minutes with one at Best Buy I was sure I'd be happy with the device.
ROM activity is increasing but honestly, with xposed framework and the available modules, a stock debloated ROM really goes a long way.

I own The HTC One, SG3, and SG4.
SG3 kicked ASS!
HTC One blow them all out the water.
Sg4 is blah and I may sell for moto x.

Thanks for all the responses it has been extremely helpful. I just checked it out from a co-worker who has it. It really is a clean device. The bloat is definitely not there like it is from the SG4. Does anyone here take a lot of pictures with the phone. How's that 4MP camera that lets in more light...

rmd0311 said:
Thanks for all the responses it has been extremely helpful. I just checked it out from a co-worker who has it. It really is a clean device. The bloat is definitely not there like it is from the SG4. Does anyone here take a lot of pictures with the phone. How's that 4MP camera that lets in more light...
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I take a lot of pictures of my kids, and with it getting cooler outside many of those pics will be indoors with less than ideal lighting. In these situations I've been very pleased with the pictures I get. Even blowing up those pictures for use as by desktop background the pics still look very good.
I bought the One before selling the S4. My two concerns about the One compared to the S4 were the camera and battery. I've been satisfied with both.

andybones said:
I own The HTC One, SG3, and SG4.
SG3 kicked ASS!
HTC One blow them all out the water.
Sg4 is blah and I may sell for moto x.
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Of the competing phones I have tested extensively the LG G2 and the Droid Maxx. The G2 was a braindead phone. Whenever I pick it up I had an urge to throw it away, so that was out of the equation.
The Droid Maxx really had me torn. It had close to vanilla Android, superb build quality (this is subjective, but to me the Maxx felt much better in the hand than the One), and, most important of all, the amazing battery life. I just loved that phone, it had everything I wanted in a phone. I was pretty sure the Maxx was going to be my main phone for at least the next year.
Then the HTC One killed it in one arena: signal reception. Now we live in a fringe area of Verizon 4G coverage. Our old phone, the Gnex, absolutely struggles to hold on to the 4G signal. It would drop in and out of 4G many times in an hour, in the best reception areas we can find in the house. The 4G->3G handoff is hard, meaning all data connections gets dropped, so in reality we have to turn off LTE while at home. Both the G2 and the Droid Maxx have about the same signal quality, which is significantly better than the Gnex, but they would still drop 4G from time to time. The One however, simply blows all its competition out of the water in this aspect. It would display 4 bars(!) of LTE in most areas of the house, while the G2 and Maxx would have 2 bars. At first I thought it must be a cheap trick by HTC. The signal strength in the phone status show identical numbers across the phones, and the One just show more bars for the same signal strength. But after more than a week of extensive use on my wife's One, this phone has _never_ dropped the 4G signal in our house in that entire time! Even in the bathroom where we barely get our own wifi signal, the One would somehow miraculously hang on to one bar of LTE, and still maintain a reasonable download speed!
What magic HTC did on this phone I have no idea, but I'm sold, exchanged my Maxx for the One, and now I'm a happy camper

Yeah., over the years I have ditch my point and shoot and have been using my phones for pics and the DSLR for shots. The GNex took terrible the pics, the iPhone was a descent point and shooter. That is what I need a descent point and shoot camera.

I have an iPhone 5 for work and the One. My god, I can never look at the iPhone after using my phone for a few minutes. I know it was this huge marketing this against Apple but the screen size of the iPhone really is a HUGE negative for me.

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Yeah., over the years I have ditch my point and shoot and have been using my phones for pics and the DSLR for shots. The GNex took terrible the pics, the iPhone was a descent point and shooter. That is what I need a descent point and shoot camera.
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Yeah, I used to be an SLR guy until I got my Sony RX-100 last year. I used to use it all the time, but the One is good enough that I don't use the RX-100 except for special occasions when I know I'll be taking dozens of pictures.

Coming from a camera on a phone, I'd say the One has one of the best to date. Might not be as epic as the unit on the Lumia 1020, but it definitely holds its own. I snap tons of photos, the the camera in this phone in my opinion trashes the camera in my sister in laws iPhone 5. Either way, the One is an excellent device and coming from my kickin SGS2, in more than happy. The s4 just doesn't compete in the features even though the cpu in the One is running at a slightly lower frequency. I won't even look at the s4 now. This phone stole my damn heart and VanirAOSP put the icing on my cake.
Sent from the One in Blue on xparent red tapatalk!

I recently went from S3 to 5s and now to the One. I gave the 5s 2-3 solid weeks of trial before I started looking for something else. The only way possible I can explain how anyone would want an iPhone is that out of the box they want a finished product that you install music and apps on. It just seemed so limited on what you could do with it. Something as simple as copying ringtones over was a huge fiasco. Picking the keyboard you want. Etc etc.
My only complaints are the fixed buttons. Maybe I'm just so use to the s3, but the back arrow is opposite on this phone and doesn't seem as convenient with the thumb. I wish the htc logo acted as the home button as well and the home button was swapped on the other side as a menu button. In a few months, hopefully I feel differently. But, I do appreciate the galaxy nexus navigation buttons being able to be changed however you want. wish they would've done the same here.

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