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Hi all,
sorry for my bad english iam a german user.
I have an Magic and a Desire, my Magic is rooted because the original Rom is stupid and slow....
Why should i root my Desire. I Like the original rom, its fast, very good functions (like sense, htc tether, and the other htc features)....
i dont know if there a desire rom that has all the same functions include root....
Thanks for your help..
Erm...then don't root it.
he's asking if by Rooting it he loses the HTC functions
Why shouldn't you root?
You can have the same exact ROM as the stock, but with root. Check the rooting procedure from modaco.
By rooting, you'd lose nothing. If I had a Desire, I'd surely root it even if I decided I wanted to keep the stock ROM. There's little to no risk, so no reason to hold back
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And how about warranty?
ingvarr_zaag said:
And how about warranty?
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same question,
on my magic i can recover all (SPL, Recovery, ROM etc) with the sapphimg.nbh and on the desire?
stingerpl said:
Why shouldn't you root?
You can have the same exact ROM as the stock, but with root. Check the rooting procedure from modaco.
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He's basically said he loves the features, he's happy with it and everything is working fine...so I'm saying, use it and leave it.
Why root if there's no specific reason to do so apart from "you can"?!
It's like the thread that's just popped up asking if SetCPU is working yet...why? Is the CPU too slow as it is? Just because you can doesn't mean you should for no good reason other than you're bored.
the good reason to root the phone is to get apps2sd which currently isnt working too well for some people,
however, apparently google with the 2.2 software which will be out soon will bring the apps to sd functionality, so i will wait till then as so far dont see the point of doing so
PsYDoX said:
Hi all,
sorry for my bad english iam a german user.
I have an Magic and a Desire, my Magic is rooted because the original Rom is stupid and slow....
Why should i root my Desire. I Like the original rom, its fast, very good functions (like sense, htc tether, and the other htc features)....
i dont know if there a desire rom that has all the same functions include root....
Thanks for your help..
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yep the rooted rom is exactly the same except root access and the super user app, would translate this but i know it wouldn't make much sense due to german sentence structure etc.
slaming said:
yep the rooted rom is exactly the same except root access and the super user app, would translate this but i know it wouldn't make much sense due to german sentence structure etc.
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hmm ok, but how about warranty?
PsYDoX said:
Why should i root my Desire.
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Do you want it to do something it doesn't already do? If not, leave it alone.
On a more personal note, I'd hold off rooting for a couple of months at least. Let all the guys at the bleeding edge get hurt and bloodied by the rooting process. Then once things have settled down and the initial niggles are resolved, see what benefits it brings. The phone is very new after all. Surely you can't be bored of it yet?
SIM Free Deal
I'm thinking of getting a Desire SIM free - will this come with bootloader unlocked and engineering SPL as standard do you think?
spences10 said:
I'm thinking of getting a Desire SIM free - will this come with bootloader unlocked and engineering SPL as standard do you think?
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The only advantage in getting a sim free version is you can use any sim card with it. That's it. No special bootloader and stuff.
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but searching around on google for an answer I came across this.
Aitese said:
He's basically said he loves the features, he's happy with it and everything is working fine...so I'm saying, use it and leave it.
Why root if there's no specific reason to do so apart from "you can"?!
It's like the thread that's just popped up asking if SetCPU is working yet...why? Is the CPU too slow as it is? Just because you can doesn't mean you should for no good reason other than you're bored.
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What kind of advice is this? Seriously? Yes, you should do things because you can. You should learn and explore, become educated about the world around you. There's enough bigotry, ignorance, and lethargic mind states out there without telling others to hold back. This very technology was founded on forward thinking and sharing of community knowledge. As a counter to your statement why should I -NOT- root my device other than "because I can"?
What I want to know, and I believe op does as well, is what are the advantages of rooting? Are there any? Most of what I've looked up is fairly old (1+ years) and the biggest boon I've seen people talk about is being able to tether, this is something I can already do with my HTC Desire. I see plenty of answers for the second half of my question, what are the disadvantages, and there seems to be a hearty agreement that there really isn't one.
So what would I stand to gain from rooting?
briskmojo said:
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but searching around on google for an answer I came across this.
What kind of advice is this? Seriously? Yes, you should do things because you can. You should learn and explore, become educated about the world around you. There's enough bigotry, ignorance, and lethargic mind states out there without telling others to hold back. This very technology was founded on forward thinking and sharing of community knowledge. As a counter to your statement why should I -NOT- root my device other than "because I can"?
What I want to know, and I believe op does as well, is what are the advantages of rooting? Are there any? Most of what I've looked up is fairly old (1+ years) and the biggest boon I've seen people talk about is being able to tether, this is something I can already do with my HTC Desire. I see plenty of answers for the second half of my question, what are the disadvantages, and there seems to be a hearty agreement that there really isn't one.
So what would I stand to gain from rooting?
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You can gain much.....
One of the reasons I rooted mine is so that I can control the CPU speed using SetCPU and improve my battery life.
You can install firewall apps to control iptables and keep your phone a little bit safer from the "perils" of internet.
I have also installed a cache removal and a move2sd app to help save a bit more space in the internal memory.
And, obviously, you can flash custom ROMs and extend functionalities (I haven't done this....yet)
All of which are possible through rooting.
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I cannot see a reason to root a phone if you want to keep the original ROM. Mine is rooted but I cannot do anything that I couldn't do before on the original rom.
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I cannot see a reason to root a phone if you want to keep the original ROM. Mine is rooted but I cannot do anything that I couldn't do before on the original rom.
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You can use certain applications from the market that required root such as setcpu.
Ok so my new Nexus is coming tomorrow I sold my AT&T note to get it. This is my first time getting a unlocked phone. Anything I shouldn't do upon setting it up. Or things I should do. I've been reading a so far in here for the last few days. Just wanna make sure everything goes smooth
Put your SIM card in. Put the Battery in.
Root & unlock bootloader right away. That way you don't waste all that time setting up your phone just to have to redo it.
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Put your SIM card in. Put the Battery in.
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Seriously, it's that simple.
Actually, if I may add a couple:
~Make sure it's free of defects - I don't want to worry you but it's something you want to address quickly for something not officially available in the U.S.
~Since you're on AT&T, set up your data usage limits.
Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure, illmprob root and such right away as mentioned. So I guess I have to call AT&T and tell them I'm using a "android" data plan correct? Being I used a spare iPhone 4 I had laying around while waiting for my nexus to Come in.
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Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure, illmprob root and such right away as mentioned. So I guess I have to call AT&T and tell them I'm using a "android" data plan correct? Being I used a spare iPhone 4 I had laying around while waiting for my nexus to Come in.
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If you're using an iPhone 4 the data plan should work fine (but some ppl are saying you can get a nice CS rep to put you on a "4G" data plan to get better speeds).
Also, you'll need a SIM adapter if you're gonna stick with the iPhone's Micro SIM.
I can prob just go in and ask them to give me a sim for my galaxy note. I got a sim before I believe with just giving them my number.
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Seriously, it's that simple.
Actually, if I may add a couple:
~Make sure it's free of defects - I don't want to worry you but it's something you want to address quickly for something not officially available in the U.S.
~Since you're on AT&T, set up your data usage limits.
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Yes, I would check for defects first to make sure you don't waste time doing anything else.
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Unlock, but don't root until you know what you want/need root for.
root is the same as the admin account on a windows machine. it does not introduce changes or risks just because it's there. there are a million reasons to do it, though. obvious reasons like safety and choice. it would be unthinkable for a laptop to be delivered without admin account, but here they shrunk the casing to an minimum, it's still a computer, but now it's oooohhhh, oooonlllyyyy if u knowwww whut ure doingggg. come on man, really. root on android is way more easy, transparent and intuitive to use than on a windows pc so what's the big deal.
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root is the same as the admin account on a windows machine. it does not introduce changes or risks just because it's there. there are a million reasons to do it, though. obvious reasons like safety and choice. it would be unthinkable for a laptop to be delivered without admin account, but here they shrunk the casing to an minimum, it's still a computer, but now it's oooohhhh, oooonlllyyyy if u knowwww whut ure doingggg. come on man, really. root on android is way more easy, transparent and intuitive to use than on a windows pc so what's the big deal.
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You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
If you ever dig around the *#*#4636#*#* menu don't change or press anything next to SMSC otherwise you'll screw up your SMS's
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If you ever dig around the *#*#4636#*#* menu don't change or press anything next to SMSC otherwise you'll screw up your SMS's
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i did that lol
and i had to use my old old dumb phone (se s500i) to set up smsc again, it is one thing dumb phone is smarter than a smart phone
another way is to translate the smsc number in a website which is troublesome
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Valynor said:
You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
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As you probably already know there Roms like CM9 that protect against this. And more development teams are implementing the same safeguards.
Also rooting gives you the ability of adding apps like Cerberus and Avast to the system folder, making them very hard to remove.
Since he is a member of XDA, and asking about which pitfalls to avoid, you could assume he has ambitions to tinker and customize. So its not a question of if he should root, its a question of when.
But you know what they say when you assume..
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Do: Everything.
Don't: Not do everything.
Simple.
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Valynor said:
You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
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say what? what kind of root did you install on your phone man. root changes nothing, an app can do the same stuff it could before and not an iota more. if it wants to it has to explicitly apply for that right and you have to give your allowance. Android is designed to be open, you either use that possibility or you don't but you don't run around freaking people out that root on Linux is something evil or abnormal which is it not, it's a plain normal admin account and nothing more and Android profits from it in the same way every other os in the whole wide world profits.
ps. that stuff about the "average user" is pure bs. average users do not complain about root on win7 or osx, why would they complain on android where it's even easier to operate. customizations aside, you're living dangerous, one bad crash and your phone is ****ed, a bit of bad luck and it gets stolen and you'll not see it again. both becomes virtually impossible with root since you have real backups and real security suites.
Unlocking the boot loader and rooting an android phone definitely opens it up to exploits, if you don't know that I wouldn't Root
Saying that, only way to run a smooth Nexus is to run Codename Android 1.6.0 with standard launcher and franco kernel. I've tried them all and this is the ONLY way to get nexus running smooth with limited lag.
Let's return to the topic:
You probably should unlock your bootloader immediately BECAUSE bootloader unlock wipes the phone. If you encounter a situation later on that requires an unlocked bootloader, you would loose all your data during the unlock process. I'd advise you to do it immediately before you set up your phone.
Rooting is different. Once your bootloader is unlocked, you can root your phone at any time without loosing anything. If you don't require a root right now, don't bother with it. Should you require it later, rooting is very easy and doesn't affect your data/settings IF (VERY BIG IF) your bootloader is unlocked.
I don't understand the concern about having root. Any app that attempts to gain root access is blocked and a pop up from super user asks if you want to grant access to said app.
Anyway I root but stay stock, because root is about having admin rights to do things, not necessarily flashing roms etc. Example I wanted to make my bar transparent, so u could do that when rooted even though I was on stock rom.
Anyway just pop in your sim is all you have to do. You don't have to change any data plans or have to even tell ATT anything.
Vcolassi said:
Ok so my new Nexus is coming tomorrow I sold my AT&T note to get it. This is my first time getting a unlocked phone. Anything I shouldn't do upon setting it up. Or things I should do. I've been reading a so far in here for the last few days. Just wanna make sure everything goes smooth
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Why did you sell your note? i am planning to buy new phone im confused between note and nexus... hope u can help coz u used them both... my first choice was nexus...
First off, let me start out by saying that while I'm not new to Android (had the EVO, EVO LTE, and now One for Sprint), I am new to Android tablets and the Nexus experience. My son recently cracked my wife's iPad and I decided to replace it with the new Nexus 7. It will be primarily used by her (for productivity at work) and my 2 year old son (Netflix, Youtube).
If I root my device and install a custom recovery, would I not be able to receive OTA updates just like I can't on my HTC phones? I've never owned a Nexus so I'm wondering it the stock recovery would need to be intact just as its required on my HTC phones.
Are there any advantages to rooting a tablet? I always root my phone primarily to remove bloatware, get wifi-tether and block ads, but since this is a WiFi only tablet and a Nexus device, I'm assuming there's no real bloat on the device. I guess something I can think of that will be useful would be OTG (but my wife will probably never use that now that she uses drop box).
Thanks for any inputs!
Simple answer. Yes, and put CyanogenMod on it.
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Ph33zy said:
First off, let me start out by saying that while I'm not new to Android (had the EVO, EVO LTE, and now One for Sprint), I am new to Android tablets and the Nexus experience. My son recently cracked my wife's iPad and I decided to replace it with the new Nexus 7. It will be primarily used by her (for productivity at work) and my 2 year old son (Netflix, Youtube).
If I root my device and install a custom recovery, would I not be able to receive OTA updates just like I can't on my HTC phones? I've never owned a Nexus so I'm wondering it the stock recovery would need to be intact just as its required on my HTC phones.
Are there any advantages to rooting a tablet? I always root my phone primarily to remove bloatware, get wifi-tether and block ads, but since this is a WiFi only tablet and a Nexus device, I'm assuming there's no real bloat on the device. I guess something I can think of that will be useful would be OTG (but my wife will probably never use that now that she uses drop box).
Thanks for any inputs!
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The rule is if you don't know why to root, then don't.
You can unlock your bootloader first so that when you decide to root, you don't re-format your device.
Not yet. Keep it stock for a while to establish a baseline so when you have issues after it's rooted you'll have a better idea.
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The rule is if you don't know why to root, then don't.
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Best answer ever.
Ph33zy said:
First off, let me start out by saying that while I'm not new to Android (had the EVO, EVO LTE, and now One for Sprint), I am new to Android tablets and the Nexus experience. My son recently cracked my wife's iPad and I decided to replace it with the new Nexus 7. It will be primarily used by her (for productivity at work) and my 2 year old son (Netflix, Youtube).
If I root my device and install a custom recovery, would I not be able to receive OTA updates just like I can't on my HTC phones? I've never owned a Nexus so I'm wondering it the stock recovery would need to be intact just as its required on my HTC phones.
Are there any advantages to rooting a tablet? I always root my phone primarily to remove bloatware, get wifi-tether and block ads, but since this is a WiFi only tablet and a Nexus device, I'm assuming there's no real bloat on the device. I guess something I can think of that will be useful would be OTG (but my wife will probably never use that now that she uses drop box).
Thanks for any inputs!
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Absolutely not! The *only* valid reason to root is because you need to. If you ever get to that point, you will know it. Aside from slightly(slightly) better battery life, which may not even matter to you, there is no immediate overt advantage to it on a nexus tablet. Tiny things like AdAway and such are not missed by most users. And you will stop getting OTAs. Now there isn't a thing wrong with rooting, all my devices run custom ROMS cuz I like to fiddle with stuff, but even I truly do not need Root on my nexus. Just wait till you KNOW you need it, but go ahead and unlock the device so that you won't have to wipe it to root it later. Root doesn't force a wipe, but unlocking it does. Good luck!
to be honest, i root my phones for customizations and apps that require root along with tethering. I now own both the 1st and 2nd gen nexus 7 and have to say that I never felt the need to root the first and for my 12 hours having the 2nd I dont see that changing. My current device is the galaxy nexus so its not a nexus thing really, I just find the tablet nexus experience great. Keep in mind I do also have a 1st gen galaxy tab laying around which I rooted and run roms on.
This might be the first Android device I don't root. Who am I kidding, i probably will sooner or later. Just not yet.
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Thanks everyone. I think I will unlock the bootloader and leave it stock for now.
With all my phones, there was always a reason to S-OFF and root to improve my user experience (I.e. sideload radios/firmware and tweak Sense), but I'll just enjoy the tablet until I get bored of it like everyone says....
Ph33zy said:
Thanks everyone. I think I will unlock the bootloader and leave it stock for now.
With all my phones, there was always a reason to S-OFF and root to improve my user experience (I.e. sideload radios/firmware and tweak Sense), but I'll just enjoy the tablet until I get bored of it like everyone says....
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Well, that's the only reason you ever need to root. And if you have all the items needed, it literally takes a minute to root it.
i dont think 4.3 needs root or a custom rom replacing it tbh:victory:
I disagree. Just leave it stock. You don't need root access. He said its a family tab. He doesn't need custom Roms. In fact that the last thing you want when you mix the wife and kids in the mix. Don't need the boy manually deleting every system file using root explorer.
Rooting is just unlocking the "admin" account so you can access system files.
Stock is fine. I would recommend unlocking and flashing a custom recovery just so you can start doing Nandroid backups. But don't root and just stay stock.
Custom Roms are great but my wife and kid don't need a few extra features to surf online or play a game.
Stay stock and live easy. If they lose interest or stop using it, then for personal use I'd say go all the way
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Will lollipop destroy our chances for root? Upgrading to this very exciting, tempting, operating system, will take away our chance to modify our own device.... It is our device, why can't we use it, do with it, how we want. Upgrade equals no root... Does anyone know this very important answer to this horrible question. Upgrade to lollipop means no root, ever?
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Will lollipop destroy our chances for root? Upgrading to this very exciting, tempting, operating system, will take away our chance to modify our own device.... It is our device, why can't we use it, do with it, how we want. Upgrade equals no root... Does anyone know this very important answer to this horrible question. Upgrade to lollipop means no root, ever?
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there's no way to tell if that is true or not. Hell, we dont even have root right now, without lollipop. In general, if you want to keep root access, its wise not to accept any OTA updates but thats not always the case. Only time will tell....
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there's no way to tell if that is true or not. Hell, we dont even have root right now, without lollipop. In general, if you want to keep root access, its wise not to accept any OTA updates but thats not always the case. Only time will tell....
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I'm going to update. regardless. Even with Apple and their jailbreak and their iOS, you update and lose the cydia.. The god of their phone and iPad jailbreak. Live it and love it. With us and Android, I'll update and hope that someone will be able to root it. As I read, what I read, it will be ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to do. If not IMPOSSIBLE. ANYONE want to back me up on this? I hate to say it due to I want root a bad as, well less than sex, but I want it. Lollipop, blocks all root ability from that update forth.... Anyone? Please bring the knowledge
I doubt lollipop will be the end all for root access but it will likely be extremely difficult. There always a vulnerability somewhere that a Dev can exploit.
That's kinda what I'm hoping. With every update, there was a jailbreak, a root. Someone, somewhere out there will get us the coveted, elusive root exploit. OR will these tricks of the trade, will the tweaks be a built in commodity? Will they just be able to be Installed free of root restrictions. Let's get the root done people. Satisfy the masses
It's honestly not that serious. I have owned every Nexus phone (except the 6 obviously) and rooted them all except for the 5. I missed the CM11 themes but there are enough apps for customizations out there now that I didn't feel the need to do anything to the phone. If you're THAT concerned, I'd recommend selling your phone when the N6 comes out and buy that.
From everything that is coming out that I have read about Android L it looks like a few of the apps may be able to work without root if they are reprogrammed correctly. It looks like Google wants everyone to be able to have the functions they need \ want without compromising the security of the phone.
Just saw today that Write To External SD will be fixed in Lollipop without root
https://plus.google.com/112333815159468020407/posts/4kxjY9JFemL
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I just read chainfire was able to root lollipop on the Nexus 9 and adjust his SuperSu to work with it. So who knows there might be the a chance that it might be easier for him to root the note 4 with lollipop. We have to wait and see.
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I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?
No. I wouldn't... for you though the cat's already out of the bag.
If running on Pie I definitely wouldn't update to 10 or worse 11.
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I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?
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Like you, I've been rooting since my HTC-Hero way back in the early days of Android. It was necessary for better kernels, better battery life, better RAM and CPU management, better file systems (Early days of ARM and EXT4) and of course those cool themes and apps that only work with Root (Titanium Backup, Gosh I miss you!!). Not to mention what was my favorite, MIUI!
The last phone I rooted was the Nexus 6. It was a powerhouse! I still have it in a drawer full of old devices in my desk and miss it! Someone once told me when checking out my N6, "Your phone is like a muscle car!"
I miss rooting and I hate that carriers have locked the Bootloaders down. Android was founded on and was expanded by the Amateur Development community. Look up Cyanogen for details!.
I just bought my daughter this device outright - first, one I've ever bought that wasn't through my carrier and I'll be doing the same with the Pixel 6 for myself later this year which means I can finally go back to rooting and hopefully back to what earned me the RC title, but I also wonder, do I really NEED to root these??
My daughter isn't a power user. She's probably happy with whatever native settings and Samsung themes she can find on her own. My Pixel 4 XL has been great as is. so I applaud your question because I also wonder if rooting is still necessary or is it just a way to feel rebellious and outside the fray?
I also own a Pixel 4, bought to scratch an itch when I wanted to try out GrapheneOS.
I think I will go back to stock, which is sad as I enjoyed the process of modifying the phones software. If there was a net gain or increased functionality to keep the phone rooted, I would but unfortunately there isn't a compelling reason to keep the bootloader unlocked.
Am I wrong? Is the scene, at least for Samsung phones, dead and this forum obsolete?
Root is a must for me. Just being able to debloat. Either way I bought a unlock token
I understand the debloat of carriers useless apps, but since I found that ADB can basicly remove the programs I don't need root for that. But I still like root for change hosts files and such.