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Screwed for iPhone 4GS rant

WE have been duped by Sprint people. Go to their website and you will notice the announcement of the iPhone 4Gs. You can even pre order it. This privilege was not given for the Samsung Galaxy S 2 ET4G.
Why...was this you say...it's obvious that Sprint knew it had made a deal to buy a **** load of IOS devices to secure this deal with Apple.so they didn't promote the galaxy ET4g. Now they have a big announcement tomorrow. They are going out of their way to let you pre order the iPhone as well.
Sad, and yes I feel they used us to get this deal, by canceling all perks, while giving us crappy service. My Photon has a red circle and no service, and I don't have a ET4G yet. Service has been terrible most of the summer all over NY and in mid town NYC.
If service was being interrupted to better service I may stick around, but not getting signal, failed messages, and paying for it and no credit with lies is unacceptable. Not being able to pre-order the phone I wanted because they made a deal with Crapple is also unforgivable. Price isn't the only thing that matters in a business relationship. It's I pay for service and expect to have it when I want it, not when you decide to give it.
Hell I was told by a customer service rep that I should be happy because I have had a lot of usage on my line. I then said yes that is true, but when I need my service to work it failed to deliver....I missed important calls. and meetings with people because of failed service.
People were telling me when they called the phone rang 3x's and hung up no message was able to be left. Others told me that they would get a network busy message please try again later. One rep verified this condition of calling me, and could not get through. The phone rang 3x's and the line just went dead when they called. I have been to tech centers, and have made many battery pulls, and software reboots, and finally I was told that there was a net work issue and they did not know when it would be cleared. Now when I call to talk about it they put me on hold no music and never come back to talk.
I just don't see it getting better, and when the next generation of phones IE Prime or what ever hits Verizon, and this is not cleared I am gone. When I feel I have to beg for service, or a credit for not receiving service after paying my bills for 15 years, and at one point having a $300 a month phone bills for business it's time to go.
My bill analysis shows that I average 240 msg a month, and average about 2g of data a month, and since I use my phone mostly for calls a Verizion 69.00 phone plan with 10 data, and 10.00 for data equals what I am paying now. So if this doesn't clear with the loss of perks I am outta here.lol

My service is better than ever...by far too. I never saw over 8Mbps download speed in Los Angeles on 4G and now....
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Enjoy the larger bill on Verizon. It fast and rather reliable
Life is too short to complain on services you are not happy about. Great thing about America is that we have three major carriers
The sprint network can't compete with Verizon in "most" areas,

Can I have your phone when you leave? I've got a line with no phone....

care cup \__/
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When sprint cancelled premiere the writing was on the wall. It was on your august bill statement. In addition, sprint raised the admin fee by 50cents which invalidated every contract. Also on your bill statement.
Then sprint raised ETF from $200 to $350. Then they changed 30 day phone trials to 14 days. All this in september.
I am here on this board with an E4GT because of these changes - I had to get my final premiere upgrade prior to 10/2/2011. Otherwise I was fully planning on just waiting another month for nexus prime.
Now the E4GT has serious radio issues. Like OP, I had calls go to voicemail for hours at a time. Others have LOS, dropped calls, no signal bars, phone refuses to roam, etc.
Sprint's CEO said that 54% of sprint customer churn is due to not having an iphone. Thats a pretty hard fact to not pay attention to.
It is clear sprint is putting all eggs in one basket - the iphone basket. Sprint has lost money for 15 straight quarters. This will either save sprint or ruin sprint.
I've been with sprint 10 years now, and im no iphone fan. THe writing is on the wall: We'll let you keep your android devices and stay on our network, but we really don't care about you now. Of course I knew all this over a month ago and I was still willing to sign a 2 year contract in september for the Epic 4g touch. That was before all the LOS issues arose.
We'll see what the next 2 years brings. But the days of customer loyalty perks, retention plans, etc are clearly over.

I just switched from verizon to sprint, so I can give you a good preview of what to expect.
First of all, the service is top notch, and the lte speeds were incredible - I regularly got over 20 mbps in my area, many times close to 30. Of course, keep in mind that their lte service is fairly new, and at the time they only had 3 expensive phones that could use it, so that will likely change as more people upgrade and the network gets saturated.
So why did I leave this awesome service? Price. Everything across the board is way more expensive - service and phones. I paid $50 more for a Droid Charge than I did for my E4GT, and that phone isn't even in the same league. For our family plan with unlimited text, only 700 minutes, 2 data plans and 2 other phones, it was $230 a month. Our kids wanted smartphones too, but to add 2 more data plans would have put our bill up to $300. I'm not broke, but not rich either, and that cost is pretty hard to justify.
Also, keep in mind that all those policies Sprint just changed are the same policies Verizon has - 14 day return, $350 etf (even after being way overcharged on the phones up front), and no more New Every Two program.
The only carrier I've found with good pricing and great coverage (in my area) is Tmo, and I almost jumped to them, but no way in hell I want to risk being an att customer again.
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txmikester said:
I just switched from verizon to sprint, so I can give you a good preview of what to expect.
First of all, the service is top notch, and the lte speeds were incredible - I regularly got over 20 mbps in my area, many times close to 30. Of course, keep in mind that their lte service is fairly new, and at the time they only had 3 expensive phones that could use it, so that will likely change as more people upgrade and the network gets saturated.
So why did I leave this awesome service? Price. Everything across the board is way more expensive - service and phones. I paid $50 more for a Droid Charge than I did for my E4GT, and that phone isn't even in the same league. For our family plan with unlimited text, only 700 minutes, 2 data plans and 2 other phones, it was $230 a month. Our kids wanted smartphones too, but to add 2 more data plans would have put our bill up to $300. I'm not broke, but not rich either, and that cost is pretty hard to justify.
Also, keep in mind that all those policies Sprint just changed are the same policies Verizon has - 14 day return, $350 etf (even after being way overcharged on the phones up front), and no more New Every Two program.
The only carrier I've found with good pricing and great coverage (in my area) is Tmo, and I almost jumped to them, but no way in hell I want to risk being an att customer again.
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Perspective ftw!
This is called "grass is greener" syndrome. You're gonna love it at first. Then 6 months later you're posting the same crap in another forum.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
Perspective ftw!
This is called "grass is greener" syndrome. You're gonna love it at first. Then 6 months later you're posting the same crap in another forum.
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It all comes down to service.....ETFs, and other fees are basic...it's about service when I want it....I am worn out this summer by Sprint's evasive bull**** regarding the service issues that we are experiencing. Collecting my money for inferior service, and lying about is bad business practice......

Piece out!!!!

QWIKSTRIKE said:
It all comes down to service.....ETFs, and other fees are basic...it's about service when I want it....I am worn out this summer by Sprint's evasive bull**** regarding the service issues that we are experiencing. Collecting my money for inferior service, and lying about is bad business practice......
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Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.

dohturdima said:
Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.
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I was told that the unlimited everything plan for the IPhone will be $20 a month more than ours..
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I like android and I never want a I-PHONE.
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Feel free to kick me in the Jimmy if I ever buy an iAnything.
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dohturdima said:
Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.
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It doesn't really matter if it has bloat where cause you can root the stock rom and use titanium backup to remove it all. Its super easy to do

dohturdima said:
Amen. I am tired of flipping on Roam Control and dealing on 1x every time I enter a building. What good is unlimited 3g if it is slow as molasses, and 4g which is spotty and hardly ever works indoors? At this point, I am off contract and if Prime comes to VZW and is not full of bloat I may be gone.
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I am not just talking 3g/4G.....I get a red circle with a line almost daily. I have been missing calls. getting network busy try back later errors, and not receiving calls for hours a day. I missed getting calls with 4-5 bars in mid town Manhattan, and people told me the phone just rang 3 times and stopped ringing with no option to leave a voice mail. Others were told to "try back later network busy". This can only get worse if iPhone is coming. I am not the only one experiencing this issue the Sprint online community is filled with this same complaint.

JohnCorleone said:
I was told that the unlimited everything plan for the IPhone will be $20 a month more than ours..
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Nope, it is the same price. You can go on and pre-order to see the pricing.

Should I move back to Verizon for Android 4.0?

I moved from Verizon to Sprint because of
1) price
2) unlimited data, talk...
3) Samsung Galaxy SII
1) Well, let's say price is ok, unlimited usage is good, but the internet is not as good as Verizon, so I don't use it too much
2) I don't care if I have unlimited everything if the connection is not reliable.
It's BETTER than T-Mobile though (T-Mobile sucks so bad), but it's nowhere NEAR as good as Verizon
3) Phone SUCKS. Today is the first day I FINALLY was able to
a) root phone
b) Fix the signal issue
I went to Sprint and they offered me $100 credit so I can stay with them, and now my phone is fixed, so in theory I feel like giving them another try
With Verizon, the bill was expensive, I do remember in my family, we paid $260 for 1 smartphone and two simple phones, that's ridiculous
Anyway, if I move by myself to Verizon in order to have the Ice Cream Sandwich phone,
1) Is the 2X data offer from Verizon a good offer to come back to the big red?
2) Any chance I can root the phone and not pay for tethering on Verizon?
3) Is that phone a SUPER PHONE that really deserves all the hassle
To be honest, I really like my Samsung, and now that I fixed the loss of signal error (hopefully, first day after I upgraded), I kind of want to use my phone for a while
I really like the phone itself, but again, I have no idea if the other phone is better than mine, and if it is, how much better?

If Verizon still had unlimited data plans and you have the money for that bill, I would say go to Verizon. LTE is awesome! If I ever went to Verizon now, it would be for a non smartphone and I just wanted good phone service/signal. You'll definitely get faster data speeds on Verizon but having a 2GB cap is painful. And with LTE, you're bound to reach the cap faster unless your consistently on wi-fi. Tethering would just hit your data cap even faster. Unless you plan to get a more expensive plan than 2GB ($30 per month). I mean if money isn't an issue I would choose Verizon. But I got a family to feed and I'm good with Epic Touch on Sprint's unlimited data. I happen to get 4G at home and at work. The 3G isn't slow on my phone but it's not special either.
I read that Sprint is planning LTE in the future. We'll just have to see! If they do switch to LTE and KEEP their UNLIMITED DATA & don't jack up prices on the plans, they will get more people coming to Sprint over other carriers.

What phone sucks? If you are referring to the et4g then yeah go get bent by Verizon. This RIG rocks. Also the G nex only has 16GB internal no sd card slot. Wtf I would fill that in about ten minutes. Geesh is ICS that important.

Noo the galaxy nexus has 32g. If u live in a 4g area I say go for it. But then again how much is 4gigs when ur blazing 4g speeds good thing the galaxy nexus has that data limiter! !
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I also read that Sprint will begin rolling out a TD-LTE network next year...supposedly it should be faster than standard LTE so i will be sicking around for It
Thank Me Later said:
If Verizon still had unlimited data plans and you have the money for that bill, I would say go to Verizon. LTE is awesome! If I ever went to Verizon now, it would be for a non smartphone and I just wanted good phone service/signal. You'll definitely get faster data speeds on Verizon but having a 2GB cap is painful. And with LTE, you're bound to reach the cap faster unless your consistently on wi-fi. Tethering would just hit your data cap even faster. Unless you plan to get a more expensive plan than 2GB ($30 per month). I mean if money isn't an issue I would choose Verizon. But I got a family to feed and I'm good with Epic Touch on Sprint's unlimited data. I happen to get 4G at home and at work. The 3G isn't slow on my phone but it's not special either.
I read that Sprint is planning LTE in the future. We'll just have to see! If they do switch to LTE and KEEP their UNLIMITED DATA & don't jack up prices on the plans, they will get more people coming to Sprint over other carriers.
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I love it, sprint is rolling out faster LTE. lol when I hear fanboy comments. That's not a good justification that sprint "will" have LTE. I USED to be a sprint customer, I used it along with my Verizon, then after about 10 days I realized what a mistake I made. At least in my area, 3G was painfully slow, no 4G in sight, and just a bad experience. Idk why sprint went with wimax and how they failed so badly. At the time it was a decent move as it is SOMEWHAT faster than 3G, but still not even as fast as T-Mobile's synthetic 4G. With that said if u want to be able to see INSANE speeds I would make the move back to VZW. I know ill get the whole "pics or it didn't happen" but Verizon can pull 40+MB/s down and up to 50 at time ls and I've seen 20 up. These aren't flukes, it can be replicated. Several times over. I know the argument that sprint has unlimited 4G, but what good is that when its on a network(WiMax) that will be useless in the next 18 months? Agreeing with and above poster it will be insanely easy to blow thru 4GB(assuming vzw still has double the data promo) on VZW bc it downloads stuff so fast that u won't hesitate to download that 1GB or larger file. If u have no regards for money, by all means Verizon is your best bet. By the end of 2013 vzw will have 4G in places that sprint, tmo l, or att have rarely had 3G. I have traveled across the entire US, several times from the east coast to the west and it does happen, but is very rare that vzw loses service. Rarely is 3G even lost. I was a bit harsh earlier on sprint, as they are a solid wireless provider but the term in this particular place "u get what u pay for" applies. At least in the case of Verizon. As I stated earlier in my post. If u have the Money, search the forums BC there are still a few loopholes to find unlimited on vzw, it is worth every penny u can throw at it.
With that said, I'm about 20 miles outside of a 4G area so I don't use it daily. However, I use it enough to know how good it is. Obviously I'm typing this from the dinc2, which isn't 4g. But the bionic is.
Before I commit to leaving 4G on all the time they are gonna have to finish the next Gen of lte radios BC the battery life on all 4G phones(vzw or not) leaves something to be desired.
Lastly, I do not agree that the E4GT sucks. IMHO its the best out of the entire GS2 line.
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ksizzle9 said:
Obviously I'm typing this from the dinc2, which isn't 4g. But the bionic is.
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You must not have heard all the complaints about the Bionic.
Never change companies for a phone or OS. What's hot today is next weeks crap. You change because a company serves your area better.

newalker91 said:
What I'm kind of wondering is why are you posting in the Sprint Epic 4g Touch forum when you're so biased against Sprint while also using an Incredible 2 on Verizon? Regardless, your prerogative.
Anyways, one of my techs has been asking me this exact question for days now as he wants the Galaxy Nexus. I'll tell you exactly what I told him.
First off, you're going to be spending a lot more money per month on Verizon's plan to begin with, that's less money down the road for a better device when the one you're currently using becomes outdated. Yes, I've used LTE, and dear god it is fast and nice. Through all appropriate channels, though, you can only get a maximum of 4GB cap at the standard $30 data price. This cap can be blasted past within minutes, not weeks, not days, not even hours. While the rebuttal may be "Well I'm always within WiFi range anyways, so I wouldn't need to use my LTE," that's fine and dandy. If that's the case, then why are you switching? Use the WiFi now and boost the data speeds you continue to complain about. These times are getting to be the "I want" and no longer the "I need" generation as everything we might "need" can be done without issue on the 3G network, we just want to do it faster. Patience is a virtue, and it will pay off. Sprint, regardless of what the haters say, is rolling out an LTE network. It will serve its purpose. Staying with it will secure you your unlimited data, 20 month upgrades and build you tenure with the carrier. They are much more likely to assist you in the future if they see you stuck with them through rough times instead of bouncing around carriers with every new gadget that hits the market. The devices on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile really do not even justify making the switch. Our Epic 4G Touch matches and/or blows their specs away, including the Galaxy Nexus. Its camera is a slight bit improved, screen has a little bit better contrast and DPI (which we have workarounds to compare with it), but everything else is on par with one another. Keep in mind we have a wonderful group of developers supporting this phone that will be providing us with ICS quickly while adding in their unique flavors to enhance an already spectacular experience on our phones. This is the way of XDA.
If things are absolutely terrible and you have no Sprint coverage where you are, then making the move might be a good option. Otherwise, you're more likely to benefit from riding it out for another year.
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This was 1 helluva ****in answer!!!! I could'nt have said it any better. Besides, while they're chasin that Galaxy Nexus, Sprint will have it too soon enough.

Verizon will never get love from me. 10-20 dollar text messaging plans are a scam... period
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newalker91 said:
What I'm kind of wondering is why are you posting in the Sprint Epic 4g Touch forum when you're so biased against Sprint while also using an Incredible 2 on Verizon? Regardless, your prerogative.
Anyways, one of my techs has been asking me this exact question for days now as he wants the Galaxy Nexus. I'll tell you exactly what I told him.
First off, you're going to be spending a lot more money per month on Verizon's plan to begin with, that's less money down the road for a better device when the one you're currently using becomes outdated. Yes, I've used LTE, and dear god it is fast and nice. Through all appropriate channels, though, you can only get a maximum of 4GB cap at the standard $30 data price. This cap can be blasted past within minutes, not weeks, not days, not even hours. While the rebuttal may be "Well I'm always within WiFi range anyways, so I wouldn't need to use my LTE," that's fine and dandy. If that's the case, then why are you switching? Use the WiFi now and boost the data speeds you continue to complain about. These times are getting to be the "I want" and no longer the "I need" generation as everything we might "need" can be done without issue on the 3G network, we just want to do it faster. Patience is a virtue, and it will pay off. Sprint, regardless of what the haters say, is rolling out an LTE network. It will serve its purpose. Staying with it will secure you your unlimited data, 20 month upgrades and build you tenure with the carrier. They are much more likely to assist you in the future if they see you stuck with them through rough times instead of bouncing around carriers with every new gadget that hits the market. The devices on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile really do not even justify making the switch. Our Epic 4G Touch matches and/or blows their specs away, including the Galaxy Nexus. Its camera is a slight bit improved, screen has a little bit better contrast and DPI (which we have workarounds to compare with it), but everything else is on par with one another. Keep in mind we have a wonderful group of developers supporting this phone that will be providing us with ICS quickly while adding in their unique flavors to enhance an already spectacular experience on our phones. This is the way of XDA.
If things are absolutely terrible and you have no Sprint coverage where you are, then making the move might be a good option. Otherwise, you're more likely to benefit from riding it out for another year.
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Well said, I left Verizon for Sprint, because of the amazingly piss poor customer service (curiously when I was porting my number they finally treated me pretty well).
Their data speeds were fast but I never got anywhere near 40 MB/s down, for me it was always still faster to use wifi whenever possible. And, the phones I had (Droid X, Thunderbolt) generally sucked.
When you factor all that in with the higher prices my decision was an easy one. However, only you can make the decision that is right for you, best of luck either way.

Indrid Cole said:
What phone sucks? If you are referring to the et4g then yeah go get bent by Verizon. This RIG rocks. Also the G nex only has 16GB internal no sd card slot. Wtf I would fill that in about ten minutes. Geesh is ICS that important.
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dude it rocks now, December 15th
it's been a sucky phone for the last two months, EVERY SINGLE DAY I have to reboot it
Loss of signal

Ok, here are a few things I have in mind
1) Nobody mentioned if I can have free tethering at Verizon
2) what about LCD Root?
I have that program in my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch and man the screen in my phone is the best screen I've EVER had EVER
I love my phone, now with the loss of service fixed, FINALLY I have a nice Samsung Galaxy S II
But part of me thinks, man, I've been waiting for SG II since April 2011.
Maybe this month I can go to Verizon and get a nice phone that will serve me well for 2012?
I already waited way way way too much for SGII
I am going to see how much it costs to go back to Verizon, I suppose that if I can tether for free, with root, hack, whatever, then that would make me change in no time
What I don't like about Verizon is the plans.
WIth Sprint I can talk 10 hours per day, no problem
with Verizon I think unlimited costs $79 and data costs $30, insurance $10, txt $20... keep adding and adding you're talking about $130-$150 for unlimited everything (and still it's not unlimited because of 4GB Data Cap)
With Sprint I do like the fact that it's really unlimited, and it's cheap
But I just feel that SGII was a phone for 2011
Samsung Nexus is the phone for 2012
So I might as well switch now that the device is ready
Anyone agrees?

Edit: here's a detailed break down I read about the text plan, smh.
You can spend $25 for 2GB of mobile data which they claim ends up being about 80MB per dollar which then translates to 500,000 text messages each 160 characters long. We’ll bet you seldom hit the 160 character mark which makes this even worse. Now take that dollar and divide it by the number of texts and each one probably costs $0.000002 or two ten thousandths of a cent. That isn’t very much. If you send 5,000 texts in month then those texts cost about $0.01 – a penny.
Point proven...
PLUS a 30 dollar data plan?
Go ahead, go on down that road...
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Don't use too much of that fast lte or you will go over your data cap.
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How fast would 2GB go if you wanted to flash Cyanogen nightlies right to your phone?
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motorsports601 said:
Noo the galaxy nexus has 32g. If u live in a 4g area I say go for it. But then again how much is 4gigs when ur blazing 4g speeds good thing the galaxy nexus has that data limiter! !
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Lol, where did you hear it has 32gb?? I hope you're not getting it because you will only walk away said with only 16gb.
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How fast would 2GB go if you wanted to flash Cyanogen nightlies right to your phone?
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I couldn't even download all of my google music library
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rafarataneneces said:
Ok, here are a few things I have in mind
But I just feel that SGII was a phone for 2011
Samsung Nexus is the phone for 2012
So I might as well switch now that the device is ready
Anyone agrees?
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I disagree. Honestly? There isn't that much difference in performance between the SGS II and the Galaxy Nexus. The biggest difference really is ICS, and, hopefully, it won't be too terribly long before we with the E4GT have ICS. That, and a higher DPI screen, which is marginally larger (0.15").
I know that I have never been doing something on my E4GT and been cursing my phone for being slow and laggy. The only thing that is slow is the network, and that's mostly because I live in an area where about half the time, I only have 1x, and not 3g. Granted, the 3g isn't as fast as verizon, but for me, it's acceptable. Even when it's clocked down to 800 mHz (which mine does below 50% battery) it still flies. I changed to the E4GT because it was a big step up from the OG Epic. That big step simply does not exist from the E4GT to the Galaxy Nexus.

No i disagree.
1.The phone will come to other carriers.
2. $50 dollars more a month really worth it for the new "phone" Thats 600 the first year.

I'm thinking about doing the same jumping ship to Verizon to get the Galaxy Nexus. I have no kids and a good job. Also I can get a 22% monthly corporate discount and 25% of accessories too. I was thinking about the 10gb(don't even use 3gb a month) for $50. I can get rid of my home internet and tether off that phone. If y'all had the opportunity to do this switch, would you do it?

Using a Verizon PRL to get service cancelled for excessive data roaming?

OK I have to ask.
I have HORRIBLE 3G speeds where I live. I'm lucky to see 20~30kbps on a speed test, inside or out. I try it all over the city, it's the same everywhere. I've tried different modems, Roms, kernels, nothing helps.
Other Sprint users tell me the same thing.
We have 4G here but I'm about a mile too far away from the towers to use it on a daily basis and it seems like everything I do is in the opposite direction as the 4G so I maybe get to use 4G like once or twice a month. 4G rocks, I get 20~25mbit, again 3G sucks. Most of the time it simply does not even work. I get errors about no network connection etc.
So anyway my buddy just got an AT&T Skyrocket (same phone basically) as our Epic Touch and he showed me a speed test on 3G as it was almost 3mbit.
He said he got out of his Sprint by using this thread, flashing the 00001 PRL file, installing ROAM Control and slamming torrents. He said after about 15 days of letting it run non stock, Sprint contacted him saying he had 30 days to find a new carrier, they were canceling his contract.
He claims he was just out, he had to pay his final bill, NO ETF, and his ESN is clean so he was going to sell his Galaxy on eBay.
Is this true or is he BS'ing me?
I'm REALLY sick of Sprint. What is the point of unlimited date if it NEVER [email protected]#[email protected]#
On a side note, I get eh, 700~800kbps when I ROAM to Verizon.

kdoggy said:
OK I have to ask.
I have HORRIBLE 3G speeds where I live. I'm lucky to see 20~30kbps on a speed test, inside or out. I try it all over the city, it's the same everywhere. I've tried different modems, Roms, kernels, nothing helps.
Other Sprint users tell me the same thing.
We have 4G here but I'm about a mile too far away from the towers to use it on a daily basis and it seems like everything I do is in the opposite direction as the 4G so I maybe get to use 4G like once or twice a month. 4G rocks, I get 20~25mbit, again 3G sucks. Most of the time it simply does not even work. I get errors about no network connection etc.
So anyway my buddy just got an AT&T Skyrocket (same phone basically) as our Epic Touch and he showed me a speed test on 3G as it was almost 3mbit.
He said he got out of his Sprint by using this thread, flashing the 00001 PRL file, installing ROAM Control and slamming torrents. He said after about 15 days of letting it run non stock, Sprint contacted him saying he had 30 days to find a new carrier, they were canceling his contract.
He claims he was just out, he had to pay his final bill, NO ETF, and his ESN is clean so he was going to sell his Galaxy on eBay.
Is this true or is he BS'ing me?
I'm REALLY sick of Sprint. What is the point of unlimited date if it NEVER [email protected]#[email protected]#
On a side note, I get eh, 700~800kbps when I ROAM to Verizon.
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Yes you can do that. The will normally let you out ETF free but they are not obligated to.
On a side note, people who do this are driving up prices for the rest of us.

Well, let me start off by respectfully saying that I'm not sure I care about the prices being driven up and let me explain why.
I'm not just some new Sprint customer who showed up and now something else it out I want on another network. I've been a Sprint customer for over 10 years, actually it will be 11 years in June and frankly Sprints service as gone to hell. My biggest complaint is the data.
My Samsung Instinct and my Palm Pre actually worked GREAT! About the time I got my EVO, things started to go down hill.
I complained about my EVO and it's crappy battery life and speed and they actually upgraded me to the Epic Touch when it first came out and it's not any better from a speed stand point. Sprint advertises this "Unlimited" network but I barely get 15~30 Kbps anywhere in a 50 mile area and it's not just me. First off, I work in the technologies department for my local school district. Our work issued phones are Sprint iPhones. We also have some Android stuff and ALL of them suck. Pretty much everyone but myself also has a AT&T iPhone too and the speed difference is unbelievable. What I mean by that is that a few of my co-workers actually have TWO iPhones, Sprint (work phones) and AT&T (personal phones) and EVERY one of them says the same thing, there is no comparison between the two for 3G data, AT&T blows Sprint out of the water.
One of the guys just gt the Skyrocket and I can't get over how much faster the 3G is then Sprint. The LTE is amazing too.
I look this stuff and I wonder what the hell happened to Sprint?
I can see why they are able to keep the unlimited data, its so freaking slow no ones using much! Just annoys me. I feel like its time to move on and like I said, I've been a loyal customer for over 10 years, I almost hate to start over.

If the problem is your whole city/town and not just your house, why not look up the thread about getting a free airrave, and instead of asking for an airrave, ask to be released from your contract, as your phone is just going to roam all the time costing them money anyways. The number in that thread (in e4gt general I think) is account services or whatever their euphemism is for retentions. They may just let you out if you've been such a good customer... you can always come back if the Network Vision pans out in your area... its worth a shot... if that fails, you have no choice but to roam like hell.

I live in a pretty big city and we do have 4G here but unfortunately, that is only downtown which really does me no good.
The 3G is almost non-working as I said. Now I work about 30 miles from where I live which is another decent city, not a big one but a well known one and the 3G issues are the same there too.
As I said, pretty much everyone who works in our technology department has the same opinion of Sprint's 3G, it simply doesn't work as it should. They all prefer their AT&T phones so it's not just me having issues.
I'll have to call them tonight. I get GREAT signal. Almost full bars but the data just won't perform. We were out a couple weeks ago for example, I wanted to look up a phone number and some movie times, we had to fine a Panra Breads and use there Wi-Fi to get anything to load. Dolphin and my stock browser just basically did nothing. I was watching the pages load like I was on 14.4 dial up.
As I said, the phone aspect is fine, should I tell them I'm force roaming to make a point? I really want to tell them how much of an issue this data crap is and WHY I'm forcing my phone to roam and that I intend to keep it on Verizon unless they let me go or fix it, which I know they can't fix it but I don't want that to cause more issues with them.
Thoughts?
Can anyone who works for Sprint weigh in here? This is ridiculous. Again, it's not just me or my phone, it's everyone in my area who I know uses Sprint and we are just some random phone morons who wandered into Best Buy and bought a cool looking phone. We are all technology professionals who use and test mobile devices etc, CCNP's, Apple techs, database engineers etc.
I know my way around a phone, so do the people I work with. We can't all be wrong here.

My friend did this and was not charged the etf. His brother decided to try it as well and was not able to get them to waive the etf. So in my opinion you have a 50/50 chance of having to pay the etf.

JsVerbal said:
My friend did this and was not charged the etf. His brother decided to try it as well and was not able to get them to waive the etf. So in my opinion you have a 50/50 chance of having to pay the etf.
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Sorry to revive an old thread but I'm also attempting to do this for my two lines with Sprint.
So you're saying that they can cancel your service and STILL charge you ETF???

sTr3utr said:
Sorry to revive an old thread but I'm also attempting to do this for my two lines with Sprint.
So you're saying that they can cancel your service and STILL charge you ETF???
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Yes in the newer contracts there is a clause that excessive roaming is in breach of the contract. IIRC, don't quote me on that though, you should check it over yourself to be safe first.

Hmm, interesting. I signed up on December 2011, I don't know if that counts as new. I will check out my contract and report back, might help others
Thanks! :good:

[Q] After your contract is up...will you be staying on Sprint??

My Contract is up in January. And I don't believe i'm staying with Sprint. I pay only $82 with my employee discount and I like the whole "Unlimited" but I feel as if with the whole slow data and never getting a chance to experience "4G", on my Epic 4G, I may change to T-Mobile or its MVNO "Simple Mobile"
What about you guys?
Edit: I believe I posted this in the wrong section if it fits in the General Discussion threads can someone move it their or if it's fine here then ok lol. Just don't want people flaming me

Phantomg93 said:
My Contract is up in January. And I don't believe i'm staying with Sprint. I pay only $82 with my employee discount and I like the whole "Unlimited" but I feel as if with the whole slow data and never getting a chance to experience "4G", on my Epic 4G, I may change to T-Mobile or its MVNO "Simple Mobile"
What about you guys?
Edit: I believe I posted this in the wrong section if it fits in the General Discussion threads can someone move it their or if it's fine here then ok lol. Just don't want people flaming me
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Its a question but at the same time its more of a discussion to talk about so I think its fine here, but honestly if I change cariers id be paying 200 +, and right now I'm at 196 for 3 lines, with tep for every line, and 1400 shared mins.
And I don't care for 4g I don't rely on it. If I need **** done that fast I have it done before I'm on the road. And wherever I go 3g doesn't take so long so I'm good and if it is so what I'm saving money
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Its a question but at the same time its more of a discussion to talk about so I think its fine here, but honestly if I change cariers id be paying 200 +, and right now I'm at 196 for 3 lines, with tep for every line, and 1400 shared mins.
And I don't care for 4g I don't rely on it. If I need **** done that fast I have it done before I'm on the road. And wherever I go 3g doesn't take so long so I'm good and if it is so what I'm saving money
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Yeah I see in your situation staying seems the good option and I don't need 4G either but I wish I could personally see how fast it is compared to 3G you know. And where I live I don't get that great signal nor speeds. I always feel like im on edge with my usual 200kbps down lol

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the whole slow data
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Have you considered getting the Sprint AIRAVE ? You could get it for free if you're speeds are terrible (as wth the rest of us) http://now.sprint.com/airave/?id16=airave

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Have you considered getting the Sprint AIRAVE ? You could get it for free if you're speeds are terrible (as wth the rest of us) http://now.sprint.com/airave/?id16=airave
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Had no idea they even had that. But if my data outside around my area sucks, would this change anything really?

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Had no idea they even had that. But if my data outside around my area sucks, would this change anything really?
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Nope only works in your house lol I have one its works through out my entire house and my house is pretty big. I would recommend it if your signal sucks at home.
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CrfEpic4g said:
Nope only works in your house lol I have one its works through out my entire house and my house is pretty big. I would recommend it if your signal sucks at home.
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Oh neh my signal inside is actually the same outside as well, except in the basement of course. I honestly can say i've probably seen my Epic hit 1.5mbps down less than 10 times since 5months ago when I downloaded the speedtest app. It's a fun app

Honestly by the time that Jan rolls around i'm sure youll have a different opionion of Sprint.
I'm one of the biggest Sprint haters there are (i've had them since my original SERO plan though, but i also keep my T-Mobile line as well - both have their ups and downs)
to be honest, Sprint has been getting a lot better lately (it seems like they just flipped something here in Phoenix about two weeks ago), as i went from .2 down to 1.2Mbps down pretty much everywhere i go, and the whole WiMax "4G" thing, just get an LTE phone and you'll get way better "4G" than the epic could ever handle anyway.
Some people are randomly reporting 4G LTE on their Evo LTE phones and i've seen results as high as 42Mbps posted around, so that's what i'd be looking forward too if i were you

yes

I love sprint. verizon may be faster, but sprint is way cheaper unless you get some kind of discount with verizon. I don't need blazing fast speeds, my wifi takes care of that!

I was THIS close to ditching Sprint. Even called and put in a request to cancel, opened service with T-Mobile, bought an HTC One S... but T-Mobile's coverage just wasn't good enough. Undid everything (the Sprint cancellation hadn't gone through yet), returned the One S, canceled T-Mobile.
I am out of contract but my wife is still under contract until September. At that point we will move on to another carrier. The thing about Sprint is despite their offering more for the same cost as the other carriers, they also don't have any option of paying less to get less-inclusive service. Say I want to save money by ditching the texting plan and using Google Voice instead, or maybe I don't need 1500 minutes and I'd rather save some dosh by reducing that number. Those are options on the other carriers but not Sprint.
Not that Sprint is a bad price for what you get, but you can save $20-$50/mo on the other carriers. That combined with the slow data has me wanting to move elsewhere. Wish T-Mobile had worked out because they're by far the cheapest, but now it's looking like Verizon. Only problem with them is their love of locked down Motorola phones. But their LTE coverage is awesome, they have LTE at my parents' house (where I get 1 bar on Sprint and no coverage at all on T-Mobile).

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I was THIS close to ditching Sprint. Even called and put in a request to cancel, opened service with T-Mobile, bought an HTC One S... but T-Mobile's coverage just wasn't good enough. Undid everything (the Sprint cancellation hadn't gone through yet), returned the One S, canceled T-Mobile.
I am out of contract but my wife is still under contract until September. At that point we will move on to another carrier. The thing about Sprint is despite their offering more for the same cost as the other carriers, they also don't have any option of paying less to get less-inclusive service. Say I want to save money by ditching the texting plan and using Google Voice instead, or maybe I don't need 1500 minutes and I'd rather save some dosh by reducing that number. Those are options on the other carriers but not Sprint.
Not that Sprint is a bad price for what you get, but you can save $20-$50/mo on the other carriers. That combined with the slow data has me wanting to move elsewhere. Wish T-Mobile had worked out because they're by far the cheapest, but now it's looking like Verizon. Only problem with them is their love of locked down Motorola phones. But their LTE coverage is awesome, they have LTE at my parents' house (where I get 1 bar on Sprint and no coverage at all on T-Mobile).
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Your not very great at making decisions before you pursue them do you?
I mean you just dont go and sign up with another carrier and buying a phone without knowing how their service is, etc... and you hadn't even completed the cancelation process with sprint.
And you too can lower your plan by shared minutes and other things...
Dude you have the choice of 700,1400, or 2.... or unlimited shared minutes.
And at my grandparents place its the same 1 bar but who cares it still works decent and uh did we forget about WiFi? haha.
Coverage isn't the ultimate ground breaking deal factor into choosing a carrier, yes its a factor but if its decent its fine by most people's standard it is.
And No matter who i go to besides Sprint my bill with 3 lines and everything unlimited except shared minutes is above 200+ and i have a 20%+ discount depending on the carrier.

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Your not very great at making decisions before you pursue them do you?
I mean you just dont go and sign up with another carrier and buying a phone without knowing how their service is, etc... and you hadn't even completed the cancelation process with sprint.
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I was trying it out. My contract is up (my wife's isn't) so I figured why not give T-Mobile a shot. If I like them I'll leave Sprint. If not, that's why there's a 14-day grace period. Loved the phone of course. The coverage just wasn't quite there. I specifically chose this past weekend because I was traveling a lot and I wanted to see how my service was in various places.
I knew from the outset that I would be roaming with T-Mobile most of the time. They don't have native coverage in central and eastern Wisconsin. I can deal with it, but the thing is once my wife's contract is up with Sprint she's going to hop on whatever provider I have, and she didn't want to be stuck on T-Mobile. So that's why I got rid of it.
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And you too can lower your plan by shared minutes and other things...
Dude you have the choice of 700,1400, or 2.... or unlimited shared minutes.
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I'm already on Sprint's lowest minute plan and I can't go any lower. 1500 shared minutes on a family plan is about 1000 more than we use each month. Not saying more minutes is a bad thing, just that I can't save any money by dropping to a lower plan.
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And at my grandparents place its the same 1 bar but who cares it still works decent and uh did we forget about WiFi? haha.
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Yeah my in-laws and parents both have wifi, so of course everything works at their houses. Then again, I feel that if I'm paying over $100 every month for phone service, I should have a phone that works everywhere. Beyond that, I'd rather have a decent smartphone with coverage than an awesome one without.
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Coverage isn't the ultimate ground breaking deal factor into choosing a carrier, yes its a factor but if its decent its fine by most people's standard it is.
And No matter who i go to besides Sprint my bill with 3 lines and everything unlimited except shared minutes is above 200+ and i have a 20%+ discount depending on the carrier.
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Yes, that's the exact issue, and the whole purpose of my post. For people who want unlimited everything, Sprint is probably the cheapest option. If you want every line to be a smartphone, it's also the cheapest option. If you can live with a smaller number of minutes, and are willing to use Google Voice for texting, Sprint actually becomes the most expensive.
Basically Sprint has the lowest maximum cost and the highest minimum cost. Everyone gets a premium plan whether they want it or not. If you want to save a little money, there's nothing you can do. I'm not saying Sprint is a bad carrier; it's just that they're not for everyone. For you they might be a perfect fit.

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Honestly by the time that Jan rolls around i'm sure youll have a different opionion of Sprint.
I'm one of the biggest Sprint haters there are (i've had them since my original SERO plan though, but i also keep my T-Mobile line as well - both have their ups and downs)
to be honest, Sprint has been getting a lot better lately (it seems like they just flipped something here in Phoenix about two weeks ago), as i went from .2 down to 1.2Mbps down pretty much everywhere i go, and the whole WiMax "4G" thing, just get an LTE phone and you'll get way better "4G" than the epic could ever handle anyway.
Some people are randomly reporting 4G LTE on their Evo LTE phones and i've seen results as high as 42Mbps posted around, so that's what i'd be looking forward too if i were you
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Their is no way that can be true about the 42mbps because currently no phone even on LTE can handle that much speed unless their battery dies within 6 minutes lol. And here is my reason for switching:
I like to always stay updated with phones, I usually never have a phone longer than a year without getting a new one that's just me. Coming from T-Mobile I had the easy life of simply buying a phone and switching sim cards and that's it. I never liked cdma phones because they lacked the sim card, so I never bothered buying a sprint phone because 1 I didn't know how to switch my # over to it(now I do) and etc etc it seemed like a hassle.
Another reason is although Sprint has nice phones, they honestly don't have variety compared to T-Mobile. The SG3 would be the only reason I'd stay, but I don't want to pay full price for it and I don't want to stay with my OG Epic till January. I don't have to pay the Early Termination Fee because my job has benefits with Sprint.
In all fairness, besides their unlimited plan that I love, I would stay with the Epic and hold off until January but now paying $90 a month, going to a MVNO like Simple Mobile who uses GSM and T-Mobiles service, I'd save $ and it would definitely help me out financially. So im switching just based on personal reasons and financial that's all.

Mama Luigi said:
I was trying it out. My contract is up (my wife's isn't) so I figured why not give T-Mobile a shot. If I like them I'll leave Sprint. If not, that's why there's a 14-day grace period. Loved the phone of course. The coverage just wasn't quite there. I specifically chose this past weekend because I was traveling a lot and I wanted to see how my service was in various places.
I knew from the outset that I would be roaming with T-Mobile most of the time. They don't have native coverage in central and eastern Wisconsin. I can deal with it, but the thing is once my wife's contract is up with Sprint she's going to hop on whatever provider I have, and she didn't want to be stuck on T-Mobile. So that's why I got rid of it.
I'm already on Sprint's lowest minute plan and I can't go any lower. 1500 shared minutes on a family plan is about 1000 more than we use each month. Not saying more minutes is a bad thing, just that I can't save any money by dropping to a lower plan.
Yeah my in-laws and parents both have wifi, so of course everything works at their houses. Then again, I feel that if I'm paying over $100 every month for phone service, I should have a phone that works everywhere. Beyond that, I'd rather have a decent smartphone with coverage than an awesome one without.
Yes, that's the exact issue, and the whole purpose of my post. For people who want unlimited everything, Sprint is probably the cheapest option. If you want every line to be a smartphone, it's also the cheapest option. If you can live with a smaller number of minutes, and are willing to use Google Voice for texting, Sprint actually becomes the most expensive.
Basically Sprint has the lowest maximum cost and the highest minimum cost. Everyone gets a premium plan whether they want it or not. If you want to save a little money, there's nothing you can do. I'm not saying Sprint is a bad carrier; it's just that they're not for everyone. For you they might be a perfect fit.
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Yeah i can understand i forgot that you said yours was up and not hers but how come you dont have the same time as she does.
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Their is no way that can be true about the 42mbps because currently no phone even on LTE can handle that much speed unless their battery dies within 6 minutes lol. And here is my reason for switching:
I like to always stay updated with phones, I usually never have a phone longer than a year without getting a new one that's just me. Coming from T-Mobile I had the easy life of simply buying a phone and switching sim cards and that's it. I never liked cdma phones because they lacked the sim card, so I never bothered buying a sprint phone because 1 I didn't know how to switch my # over to it(now I do) and etc etc it seemed like a hassle.
Another reason is although Sprint has nice phones, they honestly don't have variety compared to T-Mobile. The SG3 would be the only reason I'd stay, but I don't want to pay full price for it and I don't want to stay with my OG Epic till January. I don't have to pay the Early Termination Fee because my job has benefits with Sprint.
In all fairness, besides their unlimited plan that I love, I would stay with the Epic and hold off until January but now paying $90 a month, going to a MVNO like Simple Mobile who uses GSM and T-Mobiles service, I'd save $ and it would definitely help me out financially. So im switching just based on personal reasons and financial that's all.
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And no, yes you can handle those speeds your most likely never going to hit them in real life performance but it does show its hitting it.
not 40mbps because of their coverage but here

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Yeah i can understand i forgot that you said yours was up and not hers but how come you dont have the same time as she does.
And no, yes you can handle those speeds your most likely never going to hit them in real life performance but it does show its hitting it.
not 40mbps because of their coverage but here
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I didn't mean so say it like that but yes LTE can hit those speeds, but on a phone I have yet to see

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I didn't mean so say it like that but yes LTE can hit those speeds, but on a phone I have yet to see
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My video I posted shows about 20Mbps what makes you think another 20 is going to kill the battery any quicker unless its working at those speeds for a long period of time.
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My video I posted shows about 20Mbps what makes you think another 20 is going to kill the battery any quicker unless its working at those speeds for a long period of time.
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Your probably right who knows

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Your probably right who knows
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Okay here it goes last vid post but this is even back in 2011 and VZW hitting 42MBps.

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Okay here it goes last vid post but this is even back in 2011 and VZW hitting 42MBps.
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You do know that version of Speedtest never supported LTE yet right? Especially since LTE truly started rolling out around the time the version was made. So im going to say that this video isn't proof of a phone hitting those speeds rather than a simple glitch...For the Evo hell yes that looks exactly like Sprint network speeds haha...

[Q] Any suggestions on how to get Sprint to kill my ETF?

I renewed my Sprint contract back in 11/12 and got 2 LGOGs and 1 S3. When I renewed with Sprint, I was told the new phones didn't use WiMax anymore and that they were LTE. Although LTE wasn't out in my area (San Francisco), it should hit the area in a few months. I happily signed up because I've had nothing but good experiences with Sprint in the past. Almost immediately I noticed that the 3G on this new network was super slow, I'm talking speed tests of 0.02 - 0.20 mbps slow. I just sat on it and used WiFi where I could waiting for the 4G LTE signal. As 2013 flew by and many contacts to Sprint, I was told LTE would be in by the end of 2013. Well, its 2014 and I still don't have LTE nor do I even have 3G speeds that I can use on any of my phones. No one at sprint customer service seems to want to help me.
Does anyone know of a way to get Sprint to do the right thing and kill my ETF so that I can make the choice to move to a carrier that I can use? I've given them over a year to get their stuff together but they continue to sell a network that doesn't exist. I don't even care if I have to send them my old phone. But before people say "sell your phones to pay for the ETF." Unfortunately my current financial situation doesn't allow me to outright pay for new phones on top of paying for my ETF while I wait to see if I can sell the old phones.
At this point, I'm just tired of being mad....I'm just looking for some help.

No, but check this out.
http://www.slashgear.com/t-mobile-reportedly-plans-to-pay-early-termination-fees-for-new-subscribers-20309639/
Supposedly, T-Mobile will be launching this program Jan 15th.

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No, but check this out.
http://www.slashgear.com/t-mobile-reportedly-plans-to-pay-early-termination-fees-for-new-subscribers-20309639/
Supposedly, T-Mobile will be launching this program Jan 15th.
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Whoa... That is huge. I've secretly been wanting to move to T-Mo for a lot of reasons, this may do it for me.

Thanks for the tip, I guess I'll just have to borrow some money along with using this T-Mobile promotion and bite the bullet on this on and pay off the ETF, hopefully make a few bucks off selling my old phones. Sucks to see how Sprint has just gotten worse and worse yet they won't take any accountability.

Force Roam all day for a few months. They'll terminate your contract.

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Force Roam all day for a few months. They'll terminate your contract.
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Roaming is free..... Well for me. So I guess it is for everyone
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hoy128 said:
Thanks for the tip, I guess I'll just have to borrow some money along with using this T-Mobile promotion and bite the bullet on this on and pay off the ETF, hopefully make a few bucks off selling my old phones. Sucks to see how Sprint has just gotten worse and worse yet they won't take any accountability.
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Yeah, I only use Sprint because of the unlimited data on my plan(it's super cheap) and because rooting doesnt technically void the warranty. 3G is fine here in Pittsburgh, 4G/LTE is hit or miss. It's here, just not close to my house. Take a 10 minute drive - the signal is strong and download speeds are fast. However there are huge pockets where there is no service.
Their customer service has gotten worse in the last few years in my experience as well. It used to be different, now they really don't seem to care about much....