[Q] Lost root and Recovery with TWRP after Update - Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A

Okay be gentle...
After the last update to JSSR15R I lost root and SU, doing the rebbot into recovery (vol down + power button) TWRP launches but when I select to go to recovery via the vol buttons and select it with the power button, all I get is the exclamation point android.
While I'm not a total idiot (debatable of course), is there a way to re-establish root and su without wiping off 15gigs of music and playlists and starting from scratch? Rooting the Nexus 7 (flo) the first time (at least for me) was a fight I eventually won, but for me it was a fight. tia Tutor

Same thing happened to me. I installed TWRP via goomanager. Then, I flashed SU update. Now I'm back rooted and going strong.

Like previous poster mentioned, just reinstall twrp and su.
Your bootloader should already be unlocked. Unlocking the bootloader is the only step that causes you to lose data.
Reinstalling twrp and su will not cause you to lose data, unless you had locked after installing them last time, and now need to unlock again to reinstall.

I reinstalled TWRP via the playstore but while it shows my directory file structure it won't install my copy of Update SuperSU 1.5.1.zip also I went to install goomanager but the descrription says you have to have root prior to installing.
As a sidenote while in TWRP if I go into rebooting the device none of the actions work except when I hit the "Bootloader" option the a error box pops up stating the option isn't available on your device. Tutor

Only way I know of to install TWRP is go to the TWRP web site and download it from there to your PC. You will find flash instructions on the web site.
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Download Goo manager from Playstore. Choose Flash Roms, It will tell you that you need a custom recovery to do this and ask if you have one or would like Goo to find one. Choose find one for me and it will download and install TWRP 2.6.3.0. After said process is complete flash SU update. Profit..

Same happened to me, but I reflashed TWRP and root access... Just curious how come that never happened with Clockwork Mod recovery being lost after applying an update to the system on the old N7.

If you don't want to lose root or recovery, it is very simple.
Boot to twrp
Install OTA update.zip
Install SuperSU 1.55 update.zip (Prior to reboot, use 1.55 as 1.65 has issues)
You will maintain root and keep twrp if you do it in this exact order.

sfhub said:
If you don't want to lose root or recovery, it is very simple.
Boot to twrp
Install OTA update.zip
Install SuperSU update.zip (Prior to reboot)
You will maintain root and keep twrp if you do it in this exact order.
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Can TWRP generally find the latest OTA update.zip on it's own?

Lastb0isct said:
Can TWRP generally find the latest OTA update.zip on it's own?
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Nope, download the ota manually and place on your virtual sdcard, then boot to twrp and select the file for install

installing through goomanager didn't work for me. It would say it installed but wouldn't really install. I did it using the fastboot method instead and that seemed to work fine.

Well nothing I seemed to do would allow me to re-root the Nexus 7 after the 15R update, I finally went as re-rooted from scratch using the sticky post at the beginning of this subdivision forum for the Nexus. Back up and running in root and su... thx to all those that attempted to help me thru this

CallMeTut said:
Well nothing I seemed to do would allow me to re-root the Nexus 7 after the 15R update, I finally went as re-rooted from scratch using the sticky post at the beginning of this subdivision forum for the Nexus. Back up and running in root and su... thx to all those that attempted to help me thru this
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I used Wugfresh tool. Everything worked until I flashed the updated SU 1.65. I could never get root. I read earlier that others were using SU 1.5, so I manually went back into TWRP and flashed SU 1.5 and bam, had root! Then SU upgraded itself via the play store to the newer version. Go figure!

jyams said:
I used Wugfresh tool. Everything worked until I flashed the updated SU 1.65. I could never get root. I read earlier that others were using SU 1.5, so I manually went back into TWRP and flashed SU 1.5 and bam, had root! Then SU upgraded itself via the play store to the newer version. Go figure!
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The update.zip for SU 1.65 is broken. A "placeholder" install script was included that does nothing.
IMO SuperSU 1.55 is the best version to use right now. The install script works, it doesn't mess with a bunch of file permissions for your *other* files in /system to support the new ota survival mode, and it has the fix for the problem that used to break the OTA installs.

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[Q] I have superuser installed on android 4.0.4 but I still can't get root access?

I rooted my phone at 4.0.2, then applied the update up to 4.0.4 and am still able to flash new versions of clockwork mod through rom manager... However, all my other apps won't be granted root access. In the superuser application, I'm running superuser v3.0.7(41) and my Su binary is at v3.0.3, for which there is an update available. However, when I try to apply the update, it tries to ask for root privileges and gets denied access... I tried reflashing su.zip through clockwork mod touch but I guess I may be flashing an outdated su.zip? Any insight into the matter would be greatly appreciated!
Same here
Same exact scenario, I went from 4.0.2 to 4.0.4, and even after a factory restore I cant seem to get root access for any app. I checked the bootloader, and I still am rooted.
Help appreciated for us both!
try this zip...flash in recovery
http://www.box.com/s/jvcf196j7x8f8vrc9cyt
this worked for me....
if it doesn't clear superuser data first then try it again.
ezcats said:
try this zip...flash in recovery
http://www.box.com/s/jvcf196j7x8f8vrc9cyt
this worked for me....
if it doesn't clear superuser data first then try it again.
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CWM Recovery is not working for me, and I cant flash it due to no permission for elevated commands although its rooted.
Clockwork recovery does not require root if it is already installed. If not, fastboot clockwork recovery.
I had the same issue and all you have to do is reroot the phone and all will be well then download and install ota rootkeeper for the future. The update breaks root but doesn't block it
evanextreme said:
CWM Recovery is not working for me, and I cant flash it due to no permission for elevated commands although its rooted.
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Flash from recovery, not an app.....
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
jerseyh22accord said:
I had the same issue and all you have to do is reroot the phone and all will be well then download and install ota rootkeeper for the future. The update breaks root but doesn't block it
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This did the trick!
Had this same problem earlier
I need help
I am having the same problem. I am a noob and it sucks cause I can't figure it out. I can't even go into recovery since I installed 4.0.4 someone please dumb it down so i can understand
Install busybox free, then install titanium backup free. Open busybox and click inatall. Then run
Titanium backup, it will ask you do you want it to configure root, accept this. please note After completing busybox steps reboot. Then after titanium backup steps reboot again
Did this help?
If not pm me and il see if i can help
I can't use any of my root apps. My SU isn't working. I'm pretty sure that's causing the problem. I tried updating the binary (I read that somewhere) but the process fails. Is there a way I can do it manually?
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brightsideme said:
I can't use any of my root apps. My SU isn't working. I'm pretty sure that's causing the problem. I tried updating the binary (I read that somewhere) but the process fails. Is there a way I can do it manually?
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Try flashing this:
http://goo.im/superuser/Superuser-3.0.7-efghi-signed.zip
Can you please explain how to flash? I don't want to mess it up lol
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brightsideme said:
Can you please explain how to flash? I don't want to mess it up lol
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Do you have CWM installed yet?
If not...
I'd recommend simply starting from the top and using my guide.
But if you have CWM:
Just navigate to "Install Zip From SD Card"
"Choose Zip"
And find it.
Yes to install.
I tried going to clockworkmod recovery but I just get that error. Last night I went into recovery using the cmd on my computer. I tried flashing that same file but it just failed.
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brightsideme said:
I tried going to clockworkmod recovery but I just get that error. Last night I went into recovery using the cmd on my computer. I tried flashing that same file but it just failed.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
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boot to clockworkmod manually, than flash the superuser zip from here http://www.box.com/s/jvcf196j7x8f8vrc9cyt (this does not require busybox, that why the other su zip was failing)
I can't go to recovery from my phone. When I try I just get the Droid with a red exclamation point. I'll have to do it from a computer. Only problem is that I'm at work. I'll see if I can get to one ASAP
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brightsideme said:
I can't go to recovery from my phone. When I try I just get the Droid with a red exclamation point. I'll have to do it from a computer. Only problem is that I'm at work. I'll see if I can get to one ASAP
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
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That is the stock recovery that you're getting to.
Use my guide.
And navigate to the part about flashing a custom (CWM) recovery and flashing SU.
The SU in my post is updated to work for all users...the one you're using won't work on 4.0.4.
Jubakuba said:
That is the stock recovery that you're getting to.
Use my guide.
And navigate to the part about flashing a custom (CWM) recovery and flashing SU.
The SU in my post is updated to work for all users...the one you're using won't work on 4.0.4.
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but i think the su zip in ur post, only work if there is busybox installed...and the stock rom doesn't have it...
this the updater-script of ur su.zip: run_program("/sbin/busybox"...
that work only on custom roms, that usually have busybox preinstalled
check the different syntax in the other su zip posted above, it doesn't require busybox
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but i think the su zip in ur post, only work if there is busybox installed...and the stock rom doesn't have it...
this the updater-script of ur su.zip: run_program("/sbin/busybox"...
that work only on custom roms, that usually have busybox preinstalled
check the different syntax in the other su zip posted above, it doesn't require busybox
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nope, he was getting a permissions error because rom manager didn't have root access, that was the issue there.
edit: re-read the post, yes, you might be right about busybox in stock recovery, although i believe cwm has a set of minimal busybox tools.
if manually booting into recovery by shutting down the phone, pressing power+vol up until Google screen appears, doesn't take him to cwm but to stock recovery, he doesn't even have cwm installed, which could very well be the case, since stock rom default behaviour overrides any existing recovery when flashing.

[Q] Rooted with SU but no access?

I have rooted my Gnex 4.2.2 after receiving the OTA from VZ. I have CWM 5.5.2.3 and SuperUser Elite 3.1.3 installed. Running SU it doesn't complain about anything. As far as I can tell it thinks things are fine. But trying to run Root Explorer or Titanium backup both complain about not being able to get root access. And opening a terminal and attempting cd /root fails due to permissions. I went into CMW and found it didn't think it was installed so I tried it again and it fails while flashing.
Booting into recovery it shows CMW image 6.0.2.3 which matches the image I pushed via fastboot flash recovery. I tried the "fix permissions" option but it didn't make any difference.
It seems like it isn't really rooted even though I went through the steps. I've done this before successfully on previous Android versions.
Maybe the old su.zip I am using no longer works?
I uninstalled/reinstalled Root Explorer, Titanium Backup, and CMW apps. I could not find a way to uninstall the SU app -- very weird... Hmm.....
Use a new su app and make sure the updated binaries are installed.
Further research showed attempting an update of SU indicated it isn't rooted. Noticed, also, that uninstall of SU isn't an option. Hmmm...
AdvApp said:
I have rooted my Gnex 4.2.2 after receiving the OTA from VZ. I have CWM 5.5.2.3 and SuperUser Elite 3.1.3 installed. Running SU it doesn't complain about anything. As far as I can tell it thinks things are fine. But trying to run Root Explorer or Titanium backup both complain about not being able to get root access. And opening a terminal and attempting cd /root fails due to permissions. I went into CMW and found it didn't think it was installed so I tried it again and it fails while flashing.
Booting into recovery it shows CMW image 6.0.2.3 which matches the image I pushed via fastboot flash recovery. I tried the "fix permissions" option but it didn't make any difference.
It seems like it isn't really rooted even though I went through the steps. I've done this before successfully on previous Android versions.
Maybe the old su.zip I am using no longer works?
I uninstalled/reinstalled Root Explorer, Titanium Backup, and CMW apps. I could not find a way to uninstall the SU app -- very weird... Hmm.....
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Update CWM to 6.0.2.3 (http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager)
Flash SuperSU to 1.25 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053)

[Q] Official CyanogenMod and root

Hey all,
Just installed the Official Cyanogenmod on my N1 and lo and behold, root has run away.
ROM here: cyanogenmod(dot)org/hardware/oppo-n1/#images
I installed the TWRP Recovery and tried to let it install Root and it appears that it sort of does with the SuperSU app, but other root checkers and Titanium fail hard on this.
Anybody got any ideas on how to root Cyanogenmod? (Just sounds weird to say that)
Thanks
Tal
I had to flash SuperSU in recovery. I encountered the same issue. TWRP didn't root, even though it said that it did. Updating SuperSU within android didn't help. So I flashed it manually.
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When you say flashed it manually. Was that through fastboot? ADB? or from the recovery.
Also, are we talking about UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.86.zip from download.chainfire(dot)eu/supersu
I tried that through recovery and still get /system/xbin/su command missing in Titanium.
Thanks
Talung said:
When you say flashed it manually. Was that through fastboot? ADB? or from the recovery.
Also, are we talking about UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.86.zip from download.chainfire(dot)eu/supersu
I tried that through recovery and still get /system/xbin/su command missing in Titanium.
Thanks
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Ok good News, what I mentioned above through recovery works just fine.
Issues:
Remove all previous instances of it from OS (from inside the SuperSU app, select Switch superuser app or Unroot)
WIPE DALVIK CACHE!!!
Hope this helps others.
Thanks

[Q] Cannot obtain Root....

I've been toying around with my new Verizon HTC One (m8) and decided to permroot earlier today (I've had temproot via weaksauce for a month). This took me forever because the only s-off and bootloader unlocker that would work (after hours of trying firewater and HTCdev) was Sunshine. I eventually paid for it and tried to root. I installed CWM at first but didn't realize that Supersu had to be present on my sd-card, so I rebooted. I then flashed TWRP over CWM and tried to root with it instead. Unfortunately, I had downloaded Supersu off the Play Store and (of course) didn't achieve root from the bootloader. That was a few hours ago.
Now I'm stuck with TWRP and no matter what I do, I cannot figure out how to root. I've flashed 3 different versions of Supersu from recovery and none of the zips I install offer me the option to root. I've tried to flash Supersu through adb sideload. I've even tried using ROM manager to reboot and install a copy of Supersu downloaded off my phone's Chrome (probably didn't work because I'm not rooted - it tells me "an error occurred while trying to run privileged commands").
I was under the impression that after installing the Supersu zip from recovery, you would be asked to root either directly after installation or upon rebooting. However, when I reboot, TWRP warns me that "There is no OS installed, are you sure you wish to reboot?" From what I've read, that normally indicates a soft-brick, but my phone is definitely not bricked (yet).
How can I flash Supersu in a way that gives me root?
I'm fairly competent with adb, but nowhere on the internet have I found a problem even remotely similar to mine....
Are you able to boot into twrp and which version do you have? Twrp will automatically ask if you want to install the su binary the first time you reboot from within twrp.
When you reboot you should see the supersu app. All you need do is update it via play store.
harper3663 said:
I've been toying around with my new Verizon HTC One (m8) and decided to permroot earlier today (I've had temproot via weaksauce for a month). This took me forever because the only s-off and bootloader unlocker that would work (after hours of trying
I'm fairly competent with adb, but nowhere on the internet have I found a problem even remotely similar to mine....
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Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265618 this is for m7 but works for m8 as well like a charm!
Jyotirdeb said:
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265618 this is for m7 but works for m8 as well like a charm!
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I downloaded and installed the Root Kit from recovery. It said install successful, but below that it said "Unable to mount /system." When I rebooted, I still didn't have root and Supersu hadn't downloaded. Do I need to do an ruu and just retry everything?
ashyx said:
Are you able to boot into twrp and which version do you have? Twrp will automatically ask if you want to install the su binary the first time you reboot from within twrp.
When you reboot you should see the supersu app. All you need do is update it via play store.
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I can boot into twrp, and it's the most recent version from their website (for the Verizon HTC One). For some reason, it didn't ask me to install the su binary the first time I rebooted, and now I don't know how to do it.
harper3663 said:
I downloaded and installed the Root Kit from recovery. It said install successful, but below that it said "Unable to mount /system." When I rebooted, I still didn't have root and Supersu hadn't downloaded. Do I need to do an ruu and just retry everything?
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Thats why u shouldnt use toolkit.Try an ruu then follow the link i have posted

Root for Stock 6.0.1

From rooted 6.0, I took the OTA and was stuck. Finally wiped everything and installed 6.0.1 fresh. flashed TWRP and supersu 2.60. But after boot, Supersu says binary needs to be updated - but fails to update.
TWRP works fine. Just can't root 6.0.1 with unlocked bootloader. Can anyone share the supersu that worked for 6.0.1? TIA
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125&postcount=3
Root works with supersu version 2.62-3. Thanks
sam298 said:
From rooted 6.0, I took the OTA and was stuck. Finally wiped everything and installed 6.0.1 fresh. flashed TWRP and supersu 2.60. But after boot, Supersu says binary needs to be updated - but fails to update.
TWRP works fine. Just can't root 6.0.1 with unlocked bootloader. Can anyone share the supersu that worked for 6.0.1? TIA
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That wasn't my experience. I took the 6.0.1 update and it failed. So I ran
Code:
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash boot boot.img
using the system and boot images from the 6.0 update. And then I waited for the OTA again. It installed ok.
Using TWRP I installed SuperSU 2.60 for a systemless root of the boot image. Everything is fine.
i can't even get pass installing twrp. every time i flash twrp in fastboot mode it works but it wipes my entire device. booting into twrp shows "NO OS INSTALLED' and even the sd card storage is wiped. the only way to get it to boot is to flash back 6.0.1 full stock rom. any help???
Try nexus root toolkit.
tomxass said:
Try nexus root toolkit.
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WugFresh did not work for me, after booting into TWRP and looking for the SuperSU and BusyBox they don not show up. Below is a post I have over on WugFresh Forum.
I’m having the same problem as everyone else. I’m using 6.0.1 MMB29K. It goes through the motions but when TWRP launches the /sdcard directory is empty. However, when I reboot and look at the files using an app called File Manager, I see them in /storage/emulated/0/!ReadyToFlash/Root_Files/. However, if I use a app called Root Browser I see a directory called sdcard and in there is !ReadyToFlash/Root_Files/ so they are being copied to the tablet but when you go into TWRP to install them they can’t be found. I tried to use the app Root Browser and make a directory called kiledl, this failed, probably because I do not have root access. Kind of a catch 22 here. I was just going to copy the files in sdcard to my directory and then try again. NO go!!! Anyone else have any ideas? I seems like this is some sort of permissions issue with the files but only from TWRP. I sure hope someone comes up with an answer, WugFresh and ideas?
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Try nexus root toolkit.
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same result. twrp installed but can't detect my sd card or any files on the device
Download latest SuperSU 2.62-3.
Root via Nexus root toolkit.
Then copy SuperSu to nexus and flash, supersu not from NRT but downloaded latest 2.62-3, busybox and last rar.
Sorry for my English.
Found a solution, the version of TWRP that WugFresh NRT is using is not compatible with this version of the N7 seems as though these were made with a different MMC memory. Check you this link and download this modified version of TWRP. You can use the NRT Advance Utilities > fastboot flash > recovery > other and then point to this modified version of TWRP and install it. Then you can proceed with the install of SuperSU and BusyBox. They will show up in the !ReadyToFlash/Root_Files/ folder to install.
Check this link **UPDATE** Mounting Errors in Custom Recovery
**UPDATE** Mounting Errors in Custom Recover… | Nexus 7 (2013)
dlkile said:
Found a solution, the version of TWRP that WugFresh NRT is using is not compatible with this version of the N7 seems as though these were made with a different MMC memory. Check you this link and download this modified version of TWRP. You can use the NRT Advance Utilities > fastboot flash > recovery > other and then point to this modified version of TWRP and install it. Then you can proceed with the install of SuperSU and BusyBox. They will show up in the !ReadyToFlash/Root_Files/ folder to install.
Check this link **UPDATE** Mounting Errors in Custom Recovery
**UPDATE** Mounting Errors in Custom Recover… | Nexus 7 (2013)
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noooo. That's not true. I just used NRT yesterday to upgrade to rooted 6.01.
EDIT: I think I misundersstood your post. This is only a problem if you try to install TWRP when upgrading right? If you just want to upgrade to 6.01 and keep stock recovery there is no issue.
aiiee said:
noooo. That's not true. I just used NRT yesterday to upgrade to rooted 6.01.
EDIT: I think I misundersstood your post. This is only a problem if you try to install TWRP when upgrading right? If you just want to upgrade to 6.01 and keep stock recovery there is no issue.
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Yes it is true, it depends on what kind of eMMC chip is in it. I have a very new device and NRT would not root it. When it booted in TWRP it could not see the !ReadyToFlash/Root_Files/ folder to install the files. There was no files on SDCard at all unless you booted to Android to verify they were in fact there. I had to install the modified Recovery TWRP file first. Saying "noooo. That's not true." is a little harsh, kinda make me a liar, I think NOT. Just because the method worked for you does not mean it worked for me. Not all devices are the same. If you read other post here you will see lots of others are having the same problem.
aiiee said:
EDIT: I think I misundersstood your post. This is only a problem if you try to install TWRP when upgrading right? If you just want to upgrade to 6.01 and keep stock recovery there is no issue.
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Correct only when using TWRP. However, I was using WugFresh NRT and it does a temporary install of TWRP then you install the SuperSU and BusyBox files. However, with the wrong version of TWRP you would not see the files in the SDCard folder, it would be empty. However, booting back to Android and using File Explorer the files where there. Using the modified version of TWRP would correct this.
interesting. i was wondering why some persons say it work and when i tried it, it wouldn't show anything in twp. can you point me to the link of the modified/correct version of twrp to use or help me by saying what to search. i don't want to sound lazy bu asking you for the link but i'm not sure as to what to google exactly to find the correct twrp to use. obviously i've been google wrong the pass few days because that hasn't come up for me in any of my past searches
Update: i found it and it works. thanks guys. now i can flash some custom roms. gonna try cm 13 tonight. thanks again
r.sorujlall said:
interesting. i was wondering why some persons say it work and when i tried it, it wouldn't show anything in twp. can you point me to the link of the modified/correct version of twrp to use or help me by saying what to search. i don't want to sound lazy bu asking you for the link but i'm not sure as to what to google exactly to find the correct twrp to use. obviously i've been google wrong the pass few days because that hasn't come up for me in any of my past searches
Update: i found it and it works. thanks guys. now i can flash some custom roms. gonna try cm 13 tonight. thanks again
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Yes, here is the link you need to select the LTE or WiFi version depending on you device. I do not have enough post to be able post links, so try removing the "*" from the link below.
forum*.xda-developers*.com/nexus*-7-2013/nexus*-7-2013-qa/mount*-recovery*-t3064562
dlkile said:
Yes it is true, it depends on what kind of eMMC chip is in it. I have a very new device and NRT would not root it. When it booted in TWRP it could not see the !ReadyToFlash/Root_Files/ folder to install the files. There was no files on SDCard at all unless you booted to Android to verify they were in fact there. I had to install the modified Recovery TWRP file first. Saying "noooo. That's not true." is a little harsh, kinda make me a liar, I think NOT. Just because the method worked for you does not mean it worked for me. Not all devices are the same. If you read other post here you will see lots of others are having the same problem.
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I sit corrected, sir. :good:
Just for my own edumacation, how old is your N7? I just bought two from Groupon and I wonder if they are affecteed? How can one tell ?
aiiee said:
I sit corrected, sir. :good:
Just for my own edumacation, how old is your N7? I just bought two from Groupon and I wonder if they are affecteed? How can one tell ?
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You most have the same unit as I do. I just got mine a week ago from GroupOn as well.
i bought mine about a week ago off amazon. i had a gift card and had nothing to buy so i decided to get the N7 and give it a try

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