With all this talk on Verizon adding AWS, do our phones have this capability?
If I remember correctly, only the T-Mobile variant of the One has AWS capabilities.
See, here's the thing that threw me off. The S4 variant for Verizon is going to support AWS. Currently online, the S4 and One are both listed as supporting the same frequencies. Is there no chance we could see AWS turned on like the S4 with a future update?
No biggy to me either way, but I figure similar phones with similar chipsets and currently similar cell frequency support, could be possible.
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Importing phones is obviously possible now because tons of carriers all over the world share AT&T's GSM and UMTS/HSPA bands.
When LTE starts to become the dominant source for cell-phone signals (especially when Voice-over-LTE appears), will AT&T still share bands with the rest of the world like it does now?
In other words, will AT&T still have the advantage over Vzw and T-Mobile that early adopters of phones will be able to import them and use them months before they show up in the US? Or will the proliferation of LTE cause AT&T to suffer from the same problem from which Verizon suffers: You will ONLY be able to use phones designed specifically for the AT&T network?
I ask because right now I have AT&T and Verizon, and I have unlimited data on both. I'm going to be canceling one of them within the next week or so. Right now I actually prefer AT&T's service, and I love the fact that I can import phones that are not available in the US. But if the "importing phones" advantage of AT&T disappears, perhaps Verizon becomes the more desirable carrier for me.
You haven't read much about LTE, I guess. By conforming to the LTE standards, a multi-band LTE phone will be able to be as much of a "world phone" as a multi-band GSM phone. While there are some differences in frequency spectrums around the planet, there are many in common.
The allocated frequencies are 700 and 1700 MHz in North America; 800, 1800, 2600 MHz in Europe; 1800 and 2600 MHz in Asia; and 1800 MHz in Australia.
So, a quad-band LTE phone with frequencies of 700/1700/1800/2600 would get you coverage almost anywhere.
The end result is this: If the manufacturers want to make an LTE "world phone" just like they have in the past with GSM, they certainly can (within the laws of physics, if the antenna technologies will allow it). The same economics apply for the manufacturers, and possibly better - since there are a smaller set of frequencies with greater chance of coverage - and a greater market potential for a single design.
I suspect that with modern fractal antenna technology, this won't be a huge issue.
In North America, are the 700 and 1700 different carriers, or is it better for a phone to support both like the current att 850/1900?
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You haven't read much about LTE, I guess. By conforming to the LTE standards, a multi-band LTE phone will be able to be as much of a "world phone" as a multi-band GSM phone. While there are some differences in frequency spectrums around the planet, there are many in common.
The allocated frequencies are 700 and 1700 MHz in North America; 800, 1800, 2600 MHz in Europe; 1800 and 2600 MHz in Asia; and 1800 MHz in Australia.
So, a quad-band LTE phone with frequencies of 700/1700/1800/2600 would get you coverage almost anywhere.
The end result is this: If the manufacturers want to make an LTE "world phone" just like they have in the past with GSM, they certainly can (within the laws of physics, if the antenna technologies will allow it). The same economics apply for the manufacturers, and possibly better - since there are a smaller set of frequencies with greater chance of coverage - and a greater market potential for a single design.
I suspect that with modern fractal antenna technology, this won't be a huge issue.
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Thanks. That was actually pretty helpful. But for instance, it is my understanding that AT&T runs in the low-700s, and Vzw runs in the high-700s. And Vzw has tentatively stated that its LTE phones will not be compatible with AT&T's. So I guess when you say they could make a multi-band LTE phone, it would need to cover "all of" 700 MHz for it to have both AT&T and Vzw compatibility.
In any event, does this favor AT&T or Vzw for future phones? My guess would be for at least the next several years, if not decade or more, all LTE phones will have 3G radios in them as well. And those 3G radios, just like today, are going to be GSM. So I guess you could start seeing phones world phones that are both quad-band GSM and quad-band LTE, and theoretically these would work on AT&T, but not Vzw.
Am I on the right path here? Do you agree that it seems likely at least until GSM/3G completely die (if ever), most/all LTE phones will continue to have 3G radios, and this would suggest that if anything, importing international phones will still be possible on AT&T but not Vzw?
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Thanks. That was actually pretty helpful. But for instance, it is my understanding that AT&T runs in the low-700s, and Vzw runs in the high-700s. And Vzw has tentatively stated that its LTE phones will not be compatible with AT&T's. So I guess when you say they could make a multi-band LTE phone, it would need to cover "all of" 700 MHz for it to have both AT&T and Vzw compatibility.
In any event, does this favor AT&T or Vzw for future phones? My guess would be for at least the next several years, if not decade or more, all LTE phones will have 3G radios in them as well. And those 3G radios, just like today, are going to be GSM. So I guess you could start seeing phones world phones that are both quad-band GSM and quad-band LTE, and theoretically these would work on AT&T, but not Vzw.
Am I on the right path here? Do you agree that it seems likely at least until GSM/3G completely die (if ever), most/all LTE phones will continue to have 3G radios, and this would suggest that if anything, importing international phones will still be possible on AT&T but not Vzw?
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Almost every LTE deployment other than VZW runs alongside an existing 3GPP (GSM) network and most all chipsets will natively support the combination. Therefore, I doubt you will see many devices without the UMTS radios. No one is turning their 3G networks off any time soon. Verizon will be one of very few sources for LTE devices WITHOUT any other GSM radios.
As for LTE frequencies, there are A LOT of them. What chipsets will support which radio combinations is still a subject of much debate. Don't expect full interop out of the box.
You can always import regardless
the only risk you face is all the different LTE radio bands that you might or might not get with certain phones
chrikenn said:
Importing phones is obviously possible now because tons of carriers all over the world share AT&T's GSM and UMTS/HSPA bands.
When LTE starts to become the dominant source for cell-phone signals (especially when Voice-over-LTE appears), will AT&T still share bands with the rest of the world like it does now?
In other words, will AT&T still have the advantage over Vzw and T-Mobile that early adopters of phones will be able to import them and use them months before they show up in the US? Or will the proliferation of LTE cause AT&T to suffer from the same problem from which Verizon suffers: You will ONLY be able to use phones designed specifically for the AT&T network?
I ask because right now I have AT&T and Verizon, and I have unlimited data on both. I'm going to be canceling one of them within the next week or so. Right now I actually prefer AT&T's service, and I love the fact that I can import phones that are not available in the US. But if the "importing phones" advantage of AT&T disappears, perhaps Verizon becomes the more desirable carrier for me.
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Does the Galaxy Nexus LTE version also support the Penta-Band GSM bands for international travel?
Verizon version = GSM + LTE?
Sorry I'm a noob at Verizon's ways.
player911 said:
Does the Galaxy Nexus LTE version also support the Penta-Band GSM bands for international travel?
Verizon version = GSM + LTE?
Sorry I'm a noob at Verizon's ways.
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Don't think so. Verizon version = CDMA + LTE. So it will only work in the US, on Verizon.
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Don't think so. Verizon version = CDMA + LTE. So it will only work in the US, on Verizon.
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I always thought that Verizon always had bands for international travel also? I mean not really a big deal. Verizon is the clear winner for coverage nationally and since my work is paying for it, its even sweeter.
Right now I just have a blackberry
player911 said:
I always thought that Verizon always had bands for international travel also? I mean not really a big deal. Verizon is the clear winner for coverage nationally and since my work is paying for it, its even sweeter.
Right now I just have a blackberry
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It's possible that the Verizon version has GSM/UMTS radios, it's also possible that it has those but are disabled somehow. We really don't know all that much about the LTE version of this phone, we don't even know the exact dimensions of it and what battery it comes with. So we'll just have to wait until it passes through the FCC or is released.
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It's possible that the Verizon version has GSM/UMTS radios, it's also possible that it has those but are disabled somehow. We really don't know all that much about the LTE version of this phone, we don't even know the exact dimensions of it and what battery it comes with. So we'll just have to wait until it passes through the FCC or is released.
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+1 for storming Google HQ
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
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It's possible that the Verizon version has GSM/UMTS radios, it's also possible that it has those but are disabled somehow. We really don't know all that much about the LTE version of this phone, we don't even know the exact dimensions of it and what battery it comes with. So we'll just have to wait until it passes through the FCC or is released.
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I do recall seeing a negatory on the world phone status in Verizon's inventory system. And I suppose there is still the option for dormant or disabled radios but I ain't holding my breath.
Is the internal radio and SOC identical across all US carriers? (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint)
I am looking to unlock a Sprint GS3 that I can get as an employee and use it on AT&T. (Apple appears to include both CDMA and GSM support in their 4S units) and I am hoping Samsung did the same to get the device out to all the carriers.
Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately, sprint opted to make the sim internal so it can't be swapped. If you see some of the video reviews out right now, it shows the sim slot missing.
Protocols and frequencies
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Is the internal radio and SOC identical across all US carriers? (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint)
I am looking to unlock a Sprint GS3 that I can get as an employee and use it on AT&T. (Apple appears to include both CDMA and GSM support in their 4S units) and I am hoping Samsung did the same to get the device out to all the carriers.
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I am not a professional on this but I believe that the SoC(processor, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc) is identical but the radios are different.
All the carriers use unique frequencies to communicate with their towers. Many carriers use separate protocols to communicate as well(HSPA+, CDMA, GSM) Its possible for 2 carriers to use the same protocol but they will always be using different frequencies.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think its possible to re-program your phone to use a different frequency(i.e. change from 1900MHz to 800MHz)
I do not believe you can "unlock" a sprint phone. The radio simply will not work on any other carrier. Now, if said sprint phone were a "Global Phone", then it has an additional GSM radio in it as well. I don't know if this could be used to connect to another US carrier like AT&T though.
Is there and way to get the samsung galaxy note 8 to run on the aws 1700/2100 networks?
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Is there and way to get the samsung galaxy note 8 to run on the aws 1700/2100 networks?
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I'm also hoping to figure out whether it's possible to enable the 1700MHz band on my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 (SGH-i467) from At&t. I'd like to be able to use it on a T-Mobile MVNO such as Lycamobile or PTel. I have seen information on how to enable an At&t Samsung Galaxy S4 for use on a T-Mobile MVNO so I'm hopeful that it can be done with the At&t Note 8.
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I'm also hoping to figure out whether it's possible to enable the 1700MHz band on my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 (SGH-i467) from At&t. I'd like to be able to use it on a T-Mobile MVNO such as Lycamobile or PTel. I have seen information on how to enable an At&t Samsung Galaxy S4 for use on a T-Mobile MVNO so I'm hopeful that it can be done with the At&t Note 8.
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that is the same network in looking to get it running on, but in toronto. I really like the note 8 even if tho it doesnt have the top tech in it.
If you find out how please post the HOWTO. Im not getting the at&t cersion but the one from asia. If the at&t on works then i'll get that one a mod it
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that is the same network in looking to get it running on, but in toronto. I really like the note 8 even if tho it doesnt have the top tech in it.
If you find out how please post the HOWTO. Im not getting the at&t cersion but the one from asia. If the at&t on works then i'll get that one a mod it
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Chances are I'll either go with an Att MVNO (Consumer Cellular or H2O - if they do reduce their PayGo data rates as expected) or try the 1900MHz band from a TMobile MVNO first. However if neither of those work out well for my situation I'd definitely like to figure out how to enable AWS on the Note 8 so I could get full coverage from a TMobile MVNO. So far I really like the device itself but finding true Pay As You Go data is tough.
Either way I'm not necessarily a developer so a detailed solution would have to come from someone else - perhaps someone who knows Samsung devices well. I haven't tried posting to a Samsung specific forum yet but that might make sense at some point. Good Luck, I think you'll really like the Note 8 if you get one.
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Chances are I'll either go with an Att MVNO (Consumer Cellular or H2O - if they do reduce their PayGo data rates as expected) or try the 1900MHz band from a TMobile MVNO first. However if neither of those work out well for my situation I'd definitely like to figure out how to enable AWS on the Note 8 so I could get full coverage from a TMobile MVNO. So far I really like the device itself but finding true Pay As You Go data is tough.
Either way I'm not necessarily a developer so a detailed solution would have to come from someone else - perhaps someone who knows Samsung devices well. I haven't tried posting to a Samsung specific forum yet but that might make sense at some point. Good Luck, I think you'll really like the Note 8 if you get one.
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Well I found you the answer Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 GT-N5100 that will work on TMOBILE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Cq2Qlt8w0
Why do you claim this model will work on T-Mobile? Looking at the specifications it does not have the 1700 MHz band (just like my At&t device doesn't). The video just says he is going to do a 30 day trial, nothing about modifying it to work at 1700 MHz.
My device and probably this one as well would work on the T-Mobile 1900 MHz band but that is just being implemented now so coverage isn't great. As I mentioned I'll most likely try an At&t MVNO first. Do you need the 1700 MHz band so you can use AWS in Toronto? I can't seem to find an international version that already has it enabled but I could be wrong. Good Luck!
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Why do you claim this model will work on T-Mobile? Looking at the specifications it does not have the 1700 MHz band (just like my At&t device doesn't). The video just says he is going to do a 30 day trial, nothing about modifying it to work at 1700 MHz.
My device and probably this one as well would work on the T-Mobile 1900 MHz band but that is just being implemented now so coverage isn't great. As I mentioned I'll most likely try an At&t MVNO first. Do you need the 1700 MHz band so you can use AWS in Toronto? I can't seem to find an international version that already has it enabled but I could be wrong. Good Luck!
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I watch all the video about the note 8 in that guys video and he tales about running it on the T-MOBLE and being on the network. Watch the other vids. I think they also have the edge to run it on. I would like to be 100% sure before i buy the international version. Cell prices are too much up here. I will not pay more than $30 or $40 for a cell a month. I have unlimited everything for under $40 but that data suck but i can live with that.
Could someone tell me if SamMobile made a typo?
It say that both non wifi versions of the Note 8.0 support AWS.
I noticed that Amazon has the AT&T variant of the LG G3 up and I was curious if anyone knew the differences between them. I assume there will be bloatware for each specific carrier, but, excluding Verizon, would the AT&T variant be harder to root? Would one specific carrier variant get custom roms while the others are left behind?
Sorry for the noob questions, I'm just not 100% familiar with Android devices sold by a specific carrier.
also, is it safe to assume that I could put a t-mobile sim card in the AT&T variant and it will connect to the t-mobile network? since they're all 851 variants
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also, is it safe to assume that I could put a t-mobile sim card in the AT&T variant and it will connect to the t-mobile network? since they're all 851 variants
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Surprisingly yes, there's a minimum of difference in supported bands according to the FCC. AT&T's website indicates their model (D850) supports 2100 Mhz HSPA rather than AWS, but they probably meant AWS. Basically they have the same 2G, 3G, and HSPA+ frequency support
T-Mobile's (D851) is missing Band 5 LTE, which AT&T has deployed here and there, but that appears to be the only difference in frequency support. Both devices have LTE Bands 2, 4 and 17 (AWS, PCS, and 700 MHz blocks B and C respectively), so the main US LTE bands are covered.
You would have to unlock the device first, of course.
Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.
Eliminater74 said:
Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.
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1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps
If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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pinsb said:
1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps
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I want to thank you very much. I really did search around to try and understand. but when it comes to the carrier LTE stuff, I no nothing about it.
Yea T-Mobile told me the only plan they have for tablets are Data and no voice. that really sucks. I dont understand that one. I have an
LG G3 that has T-Mobile. I can use the hotspot on that if needed.. the chances that im going to leave my house with this Tablet are very slim. so I can just stay with the wifi.
Duffmantp said:
If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Free mobile app
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Yea I just tried that.. It worked.. prob cheaper then T-Mobles plans