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Installing clean OS ?

instead of trying to bypass all the bull**** of this custom OS why can't we just install a clean OS now that we have the source code of Kindle we can apply the needed drivers and also apply the BT driver that exist.

labbala said:
instead of trying to bypass all the bull**** of this custom OS why can't we just install a clean OS now that we have the source code of Kindle we can apply the needed drivers and also apply the BT driver that exist.
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I think the issue is someone has to create the custom OS.
From what I've seen, that takes more than a couple days.

Also we need a way to get the custom rom on it. No clockwork makes it a little tricky right now.

What's the difference between the OS from source (clean OS) and the pre installed OS ?

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What's the difference between the OS from source (clean OS) and the pre installed OS ?
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In my line of thinking (and the pros can certainly correct me if my analogy is bad)...it's like asking what's the difference if I buy a New Dell PC and simply manually uninstall all the bloatware versus reformatting it with a fresh install...the latter is just better.

Well, in the case of PC vendors, there's Windows from Microsoft and a separate install of bloatware by the vendors. Kindle Fire, (as I understand it) has a forked, custom version of Android - they are not installing Android OS and putting some apps on top of it.

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What's the difference between the OS from source (clean OS) and the pre installed OS ?
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I think the suggestion is to build a "stock" Android ROM, using parts of the source of the Amazon ROM. Basically take the drivers from the Amazon source, merge with stock Android and install. Obviously it's a little more difficult than simply copying some files from one ROM's source into another and compiling. Plus there's the problem of getting a custom recovery on there to flash from and to make backups etc.

Well, Amazon is going to sell a crapload of these things - at $199 why wouldn't they? - and I'm sure enough of them will fall into the skillful hands of some of our greatest developers. Given any time at all, I'm sure we'll have CWR and CyanogenMod 9 for the Fire. My wife is getting me a Fire for Christmas, and being a HUGE fan of CyanogenMod, I can't wait for some much needed love from the development community!

Im getting one just for that reason
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My wife is also getting me a fire for Christmas. It will be here Tuesday! I can't wait to get some custom ROMs on it!

I have one on order should be here in a week can't wait to wrinc the crap out of it.I see good things commin the force seems strong with this one it's not like the others.

labbala said:
instead of trying to bypass all the bull**** of this custom OS why can't we just install a clean OS now that we have the source code of Kindle we can apply the needed drivers and also apply the BT driver that exist.
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You'd lose the whole Kindle experience... I mean, you could put the Kindle App back on it, but that's just weird. I managed to get every app I could think of that would be useful on a tablet with no camera or GPS onto it, 100% integrated with the Kindle's native interface and ecosystem.
If you just want a tablet, you'd be a lot better off with a Galaxy Tab or Xoom or something, not this small, underpowered tablet. For basic stuff, and as an E-reader, it excels.

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You'd lose the whole Kindle experience... I mean, you could put the Kindle App back on it, but that's just weird. I managed to get every app I could think of that would be useful on a tablet with no camera or GPS onto it, 100% integrated with the Kindle's native interface and ecosystem.
If you just want a tablet, you'd be a lot better off with a Galaxy Tab or Xoom or something, not this small, underpowered tablet. For basic stuff, and as an E-reader, it excels.
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wrong. this tablet is not underpowered or too small. its awesome, and in time will be the best 7 inch available..
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smirkis said:
wrong. this tablet is not underpowered or too small. its awesome, and in time will be the best 7 inch available..
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Best available? Really? Serviceable yes. Specs-wise hardly. Let's keep the giddiness in perspective. It's a journeyman middle to low end tab.
Perhaps this thread needs to be in General?

what other 7s are worth mentioning other than the nook? sleek hardware is all we need, the rest comes in due time!
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smirkis said:
what other 7s are worth mentioning other than the nook? sleek hardware is all we need, the rest comes in due time!
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Make you a deal. I don't wish to hijack this thread (and it has nothing to do with Android Development) so let's move to General. I've tried as many 7" tabs as I could and am happy to share what I learned.
Mod....can you move us to General?

I would think that, on top of the typical problems associated with making a new ROM from an incomplete android install like the Kindle Fire comes with, you also have additional hurdles to get past, such as implementing the same on-screen hardware controls (back, home, etc) into the new ROM, as well as making a touchscreen recovery in which things can be flashed.

Felnarion said:
I would think that, on top of the typical problems associated with making a new ROM from an incomplete android install like the Kindle Fire comes with, you also have additional hurdles to get past, such as implementing the same on-screen hardware controls (back, home, etc) into the new ROM, as well as making a touchscreen recovery in which things can be flashed.
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A touchscreen recovery is already in process (a port by TeamWin of their existing touchscreen recovery called TWRP). There is a thread on it in this same section. Once recovery is sorted out then the real ROM work can begin in earnest
The new ICS version of Android is already designed to have on-screen buttons. I think this new Android 4.0 version requires a newer Linux kernel version than the Android 2.3 that the Fire is currently using, so there might be some heavy work required to get the current drivers all working in a different kernel , but once that is sorted out then new ROMs can be built from the ICS source code
Even starting with a 2.3 ROM, patching things on top of the existing Kindle Fire software shouldn't be necessary since Google provided the full source code for 2.3 as well

Additionally, CM7 'Tablet Tweaks' originally for the Nook Color would be perfectly viable here as well. I anticipate that once a solid recovery / 'unbricking' path is finalized, there will be a much greater development pace.

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Additionally, CM7 'Tablet Tweaks' originally for the Nook Color would be perfectly viable here as well. I anticipate that once a solid recovery / 'unbricking' path is finalized, there will be a much greater development pace.
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thanks I forgot to include that part. If a CM7 ROM is what comes first then it should still work great

[Q] Lots of Choices Help Narrow please?

I rooted my KF months ago with Burrito so I could have gapps. Now I want more without sacrifice. Essentially I want to be able to view movies with Mobo or Netflix and still have access to all the books I have.
I don't think there is a way to have the reader app on the kindle available but I do want some ICS love if possible.
Something stable, snappy and gives me most of the KFs features.
Any suggestions?

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I rooted my KF months ago with Burrito so I could have gapps. Now I want more without sacrifice. Essentially I want to be able to view movies with Mobo or Netflix and still have access to all the books I have.
I don't think there is a way to have the reader app on the kindle available but I do want some ICS love if possible.
Something stable, snappy and gives me most of the KFs features.
Any suggestions?
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Dual boot?
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What Roms could you dualboot as alternate
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I would flash an ics rom of your choice, and download the Kindle app.

moving away from the stock rooted ROM is not as difficult as it sounds. Use TWRP to make a backup of you kindle. Restoring is simple. If a ROM misbehaves, wipe cache, davlik cache, and data (factory reset) and restore yor kindle. I have lost count of the number of times I have done this. My personal preference atm is GlazeICS. It is quick as the stock ROM, including wifi speeds.

I had hesitations about replacing the stock (rooted) ROM but after I have been using gedeROM for a few weeks, I am upset I didn't do it sooner. Its amazing, as I'm sure the other ICS ROMS are also. It;s what the Fire was meant to be installed with. And you can always go back.

there are so many just try them all. once you found one you like stick with that one. I am using simple 6-10-12 and it works great for ME ymmv. As far as the books just install the kindle app reader.

The best one for me so far is aokp rom everything works and its stable. Sound. Netflix. I mean everything
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Questions from new owner regarding Fire HD 8.9

Hey guys, I just grabbed a KF HD 8.9 off ebay for my wife for $225. I tried to convince her to go with a Nexus7, but she wanted the larger screen. Our previous phones were Android, so she'd be familiar with the Fire if the answers to my questions are positive. Here's a few questions I have if someone can please help me out:
1) From what I've seen reading on here, we can root the device and add the Google Play store. Is this correct? Are there any caveats to this (i.e., you must to do X or Y to be able to download apps after adding it)?
2) If I can install a customer launcher for her (I don't know what the current options are, but there was Nova, Launcher Pro, GoLauncher, etc when we had Android devices), would this largely cause the device to actually LOOK like normal Android? I don't see why there would be any issues, but I just want to clarify.
3) It appears (again, from reading on here), that you can sideload apps (I used the "allow unknown sources" box on my phone). Is that correct?
4) Is the HDMI out reliable?
I would install CM10 and call it a day, but it sounds like there are currently audio and HDMI issues on it, and those are two things we'll use a good bit.
I apologize if this is in the wrong forum, but it was the only one I saw devoted to the 8.9" version. These questions may not really matter for the differences in model, but I wanted to be sure I targeted the right audience,
Thanks for any help provided.

I've done much of what you are asking about using the following thread:-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096888
It's a long read, but worth it.
I'm using GoLauncher HD, and have live wallpapers up and running too - it looks just like any other android device.
The caveats are that some apps will not install/update from Google play - but will probably work if sideloaded. Added to that, Amazon will update your tablet and remove all your hard work if they get the chance - the thread provides tools to minimise this threat as well.
PS I've got a Nexus 7 too - much better tablet in all respects except screen size - that's why I got the KF8.9 as well.
Good luck

Thanks for the quick reply. If I remember correctly, you could disable updates on previous Android devices, is this not the case with the KFHD? The software wouldn't be the newest, but data wouldn't be wiped, either.

Amazon are pushing un-notified updates through various channels - you won't know until you suddenly lose root and all your google apps.
Very friendly user facing company NOT !!!

praed0r said:
Amazon are pushing un-notified updates through various channels - you won't know until you suddenly lose root and all your google apps.
Very friendly user facing company NOT !!!
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Interesting. In that case, I might just sideload a launcher. Didn't know it was all going to be this much trouble

I have the kindle fire hd 8.9 and it rooted fine and I have a launcher on it which makes it look like a normal android tablet with Google apps. Have had no issues yet with Amazon forcing updates but if it happens it can't be that hard to block it.... some apps in play store won't install due to compatibility issues....but market helper app solves that.. or you can install the apk manually

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I have the kindle fire hd 8.9 and it rooted fine and I have a launcher on it which makes it look like a normal android tablet with Google apps. Have had no issues yet with Amazon forcing updates but if it happens it can't be that hard to block it.... some apps in play store won't install due to compatibility issues....but market helper app solves that.. or you can install the apk manually
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Thanks for the info. I doubt my wife would require many apps that are unavailable on Amazon anyways (if any).

I confirm that the HDMI works very well on my TV

Kindle Fire HD 8.9" (8.4.6)

Hi. I have some questions regarding this device, for which I've bought for my son as an Xmas gift.
Firstly I've noticed a few things and confirmed things I've researched about this device:
- It is based on Android, which was obvious as soon as I side loaded es file explorer and checked out the SD contents.
- It is running at around 30-50% of its full potential, due to the super persistent Amazon apps that run in the background, and low amount of customisation options.
- The advertisements on the lock screen... WTF.
- Unable to use mx player pro as a default video player for lovefilm, which sucks.
- The carousel is nice looking but it auto adds things which is highly annoying.
- The parental controls are good.
So that's just a small list and I'm sure I haven't quite listed everything yet but I want to move onto some questions about rooting the device:
1. Does rooting and installing cyanogenmod improve the memory use and performance? May be an obvious answer but it's always good to know people's opinions.
2. Can any of the Amazon apps be used on cyanogenmod, so that the device still feels like a Kindle. E.g. the launcher and carousel, and the parental controls? I like the big HD icons. This will be used regularly by my son so I need strong security controls.
3. Being an unofficial port, does cm come with any usual and/or unusual bugs? Such as rotation bugs, fcs and reboots.
4. Does cm use the full quality of the sound and display? The resolution and sound quality is great as it is, I'd hate to sacrifice those for better memory.
5. Anything else that I might expect or information that would be helpful please.
FYI I've unlocked, rooted and flashed many devices, so I know roughly the benefits and disadvantages.
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- It is based on Android, which was obvious as soon as I side loaded es file explorer and checked out the SD contents.
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Side loading a file explorer does nothing because you have no file explorer in the first place. You have to regester the Kindle first if you wish to view files without modding/rooting first.
- It is running at around 30-50% of its full potential, due to the super persistent Amazon apps that run in the background, and low amount of customisation options.
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Really there is no way to customize without at least rooting it.
- The advertisements on the lock screen... WTF.
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You have to pay Amazon 15 dollars to have them remove them or use Kindle Fire First Aide to remove them.
1. Does rooting and installing cyanogenmod improve the memory use and performance?
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Rooting lets you pull the bloatware out of the system and customize (some) as well as Google Play. A custom ROM gives you the full Android experience. You will lose a few Amazon reature like Prime movie viewing.
2. Can any of the Amazon apps be used on cyanogenmod, so that the device still feels like a Kindle. E.g. the launcher and carousel, and the parental controls? I like the big HD icons. This will be used regularly by my son so I need strong security controls.
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You may want to just root and add Google Play then. This only adds to your abilities without removing the Amazon experience. The Kinology ROM will add much more as well but it not a full Android ROM. A custom ROMed and rooted tablet is not something you want a kid playing with unsupervised. That can go wrong so many ways. Amazon prime, Bookshelf and whispernet are lost with a custom ROM. You can always quick flash a nandroid and be back on Amazon in a couple minutes though.
3. Being an unofficial port, does cm come with any usual and/or unusual bugs? Such as rotation bugs, fcs and reboots.
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I have no problems with CM 10.1 or CM 10.2. CM 11 KitKat is still in Beta.
4. Does cm use the full quality of the sound and display? The resolution and sound quality is great as it is, I'd hate to sacrifice those for better memory.
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See above answer. Some people say they have had some issue. I have not.
5. Anything else that I might expect or information that would be helpful please.
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Edit: Make sure you read the threads thoroughly and when you do mod, make sure it is for your model Kindle. The mods for the Kindle's are specific to your Kindle. Your's is Kindle Fire HD 8.9" jem.
FYI I've unlocked, rooted and flashed many devices, so I know roughly the benefits and disadvantages.
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You won't be unlocking this bootloader as this bootloader is not unlockable. You will be flashing a 2nd bootloader and TWRP to be able to flash the ROM.

So by rooting I can install google play and remove some bloatware, this seems like the best option. This also keeps the rom intact, but it's a shame about the carousel icons that'll be low res from google play. I'll still have a good think about it before I make a decision, and thank you for your helpful responses.:thumbup:
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You're welcome.
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Developer preview announced for Android 5.0 Lollipop based Fire OS 5!!

I think that this is a great news to all of us, owners of the Amazon-Fire- Phone:
“…Fire OS 5, the next generation Android-based operating system that powers Fire tablets, Amazon Fire TV, Fire TV Stick, and Fire phone devices.” -Amazon
http://www.aftvnews.com/developer-p...droid-5-0-lollipop-based-fire-os-5/#more-7426
http://www.androidguys.com/2015/06/19/amazon-has-announced-the-fire-os-5-developer-preview/
https://developer.amazon.com/public...10/Announcing-the-Fire-OS-5-Developer-Preview
Just last month, the FireOS of the Fire Phone received its upgrade to v4.6.1 (which is based on Android 4.4 KitKat), so I really think that this upgrade to Android 5.0 will more than likely be a welcomed arrival for many Amazon Fire device owners... And hopefully will stop the constant complaining, about the FireOS of the Amazon-Fire-Phone, of being out of date!!

Amazon Developer Preview said:
"The only devices compatible with the Fire OS 5 Developer Preview are the Fire HD 6 and Fire HD 7 (released in 2014)".
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Stop teasing me, Amazon.
Well, jk, the preview is limited to 6 & 7, for now. They don't have to release a preview for the Fire Phone since the tablets are far more important.
When FireOS 5 for tablets is done, I'm sure they will spend 2 hours pờớping out a version for the phone. :laugh: Based on 5.0, they chose the best L version... *sigh*

It is true that Amazon has not mentioned yet which Fire device will get it first the FireOS-5, but something is happening and at least Amazon has begun to understand that it has to develop and update the FireOS of all it Fire devices!!!
I really hope, that although the Amazon Fire Phone has lagged a bit behind other phones, now could catch up other flagship cellphones !!

I guess there will not be bigger updates for fire phone anymore.
Amazon Germany already stopped selling this phone.
Source: Amazon.de @ facebook
Amazon.de ...
das Fire Phone ist nicht länger zum Kauf über Amazon.de verfügbar... 18. Juni um 13:44
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I really hope that it will be possible to unlock the bootloader someday.
I´m quite sure i wouldn´t buy an "amazon" android product again.

I'm not sure that updating the base code to lollipop is going to help as long as fire OS doesn't radically change too. And it won't.

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I'm not sure that updating the base code to lollipop is going to help as long as fire OS doesn't radically change too. And it won't.
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I agree, but remember that the FireOS is not and is not intended to be or copy the Normal Android System, that all other android cellphones already have...
So, althrough is true that the Amazon FireOS needs to evolve and add some new functions that currently not has, remember that is also true that updating to the new Lollipop will make the FireOS more reliable and more compatible to all new android APPs.

ART might be nice. Being able to use ' ok Google' in apps would be nice but that is activated in settings and Amazon's version may not support it.
Most of the other lollipop changes are cosmetic and some might be available in fire OS or through alternative launchers, time will tell. I would like to have a pattern lock screen. Swiping up and then entering a code to skip a Pandora track sucks. Especially while driving.

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ART might be nice. Being able to use ' ok Google' in apps would be nice but that is activated in settings and Amazon's version may not support it.
Most of the other lollipop changes are cosmetic and some might be available in fire OS or through alternative launchers, time will tell. I would like to have a pattern lock screen. Swiping up and then entering a code to skip a Pandora track sucks. Especially while driving.
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I replaced the lock screen with Microsoft Next Lockscreen from the play store. Just don't set up the system lock screen and next takes over. At this point, with nova and next, I just need navigation buttons and stock looking recents menu and I won't notice any difference.

amf100 said:
I replaced the lock screen with Microsoft Next Lockscreen from the play store. Just don't set up the system lock screen and next takes over. At this point, with nova and next, I just need navigation buttons and stock looking recents menu and I won't notice any difference.
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Have you found a music app that will show on next lock screen? Stock fire music app doesn't show up. Also, I see a few pixels of the icons at the bottom of the next lock screen. This I assume is a bug as it looks crap, probably fire phone specific.

It does mention fire phone in the list. Any developers here?

Not for the fire phone yet!
Fire OS 5 Developer Preview are the Fire HD 6 and Fire HD 7 (released in 2014).
Fire OS 5 Developer Preview works with Fire HD 6 and Fire HD 7 tablets (2014 editions)

amf100 said:
I replaced the lock screen with Microsoft Next Lockscreen from the play store. Just don't set up the system lock screen and next takes over. At this point, with nova and next, I just need navigation buttons and stock looking recents menu and I won't notice any difference.
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Have you tried installing xposed? I'm using ultimate dynamic navbar to have navigation buttons on home screen. It even has a working android app history.
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ratbags said:
Have you found a music app that will show on next lock screen? Stock fire music app doesn't show up. Also, I see a few pixels of the icons at the bottom of the next lock screen. This I assume is a bug as it looks crap, probably fire phone specific.
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I don't really use my phone for music, so I can't say. Also, I don't have the issue of seeing icon pixels.
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Have you tried installing xposed? I'm using ultimate dynamic navbar to have navigation buttons on home screen. It even has a working android app history.
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This seems perfect. Thanks!

@amf100, no problem.
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I just got confirmation that the release date is between September 2015 to January 2016. If amazon doesn't run into issues

laidbackcloud said:
I just got confirmation that the release date is between September 2015 to January 2016.
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Source, please? Confirmed for Fire Phone as well or only for Kindle HD(X)...

No source, just an employee from amazon told me verbally. I forgot to ask about hdx lol. I'll keep everyone on xda posted

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It does mention fire phone in the list. Any developers here?
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Well, FireOS 4 was released for the Fire Phone months after it was for other Amazon devices. Maybe the fact Amazon hasn't included the Fire Phone in the list it's just that if they did, people would've assumed it'll be released for the Fire Phone at the same time as other more popular devices like the Kindle HDX.

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Well, FireOS 4 was released for the Fire Phone months after it was for other Amazon devices. Maybe the fact Amazon hasn't included the Fire Phone in the list it's just that if they did, people would've assumed it'll be released for the Fire Phone at the same time as other more popular devices like the Kindle HDX.
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They will come out with fire 5 for fire phone. They are not giving up on mobile industry so they have to keep it updated and relevant.

laidbackcloud said:
They will come out with fire 5 for fire phone. They are not giving up on mobile industry so they have to keep it updated and relevant.
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True as in: they have to keep all the app developers happy. Happy as in: provide different platforms (tablet & phone) for monetization of [email protected] apps. :laugh:
Although they have enough devices (all dem kindles) for consumers, it's easy to pööp out a rework of FireOS 5 once it's running somewhat stable on the tablets.
The Fire Phone gets a loveless variant from the drugged up monkeys of Lab126. ggow could do a better job on his own in 1 month.
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Will there be cm12 for fire phone?
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Btw. I will murder you in your sleep. ?
TL;DR: Keep it alive with as little effort as possible and milk it, because: money.