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Windows Phone 7 - Multitasking conecpt

Hi Guys,
hope i'm somehow right here and you are - more or less - interested in my concept/idea.
I didn't really know about this forum, but some guy in an other forum suggest i should post it here. Well... i do, don't know...
Anyway. Since the day i knew that WP7 wouldn't have any multitasking from the start, i was pretty sure how i would let it look like.
And a few days ago i saw the pictures of version 7753 with this search-button on the rightside and i realized, that MS could actually use that space.
So i decided that it would be time to visualize my thoughts, so here they are:
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Instead of the search-button i'd put a taskbar-icon at that place. Pressing the icon drops the actual taskbar with all running programms. By pressing an icon you can directly go into the programm/app, by pressing and holding the icon you can close it. And with the little up-showing arrow you can close the taskbar.
I also made the mail-hub a "wide-hub" (don't know how to call it...). First of all, i love those "wide-hubs", but it would also be nice, to see who wrote your latest recieved email and whats the topic is.
And last but not least i would like to split the zune-functions. I use the zune-hub basicly for listing to my music for example, so it would be nice, to sort out that function and create a music-tile on the homescreen. This could also work with videos, podcasts etc.
And... while i was in the mood i made some customization-concepts. I tried to keep all basic Metro-elemnts and just improve some things.
The transparancy is not knew, i know that it was introduced in an earlier conecpt by someone else, but it's a nice idea and i'd just love to see something like that. Of course it only make sense, if you can put pictures or at least gradients (like in the mentioned concept) on your homescreeb background.
htt p://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1870/custom.png
At last i thought about some all-over-themes, where you can't individually customize your UI, but use themes. For exempale i love the zune-look with, which is why i even made three different zune-themes.
htt p://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7904/themesl.png
C&C is of course appreciated... in any way.
And sorry if i'm totaly wrong here.

Buddy i can not see the pictures...It says to login to imageshack! Please Upload them somewhere else or you can upload them here.
Regards.

No. I'm a first-time-poster so i can't put outgoing links into my posts. At least as long as i havn't made 8 posts. ;-)
But i put a [space] between the htt_p. Thats why those links won't work with simple copy-paste. You just have to erase that little space there and the links will work.
At least they do it for me and i also have no imageshack-account. o.0

I can see the pictures okay. It makes good use of the blank space below the "next screen" arrow in WP7.
Maybe this is why Microsoft left the area blank The only thing I do not like is the way you did the close menu. I would do it like the OS has the menu system - bottom. It would also give you more options.

Can you give me wallpaper on the second slide?

wow! i think your concept of multitasking is fantastic! i really like the way it looks and its a very smart use of the space on the right of the home screen!

Looks really good! But what if you want to switch while being in an app?
I can see the wide eMail icon come really soon! Hopefully ;-)

Cyruss89 said:
Looks really good! But what if you want to switch while being in an app?
I can see the wide eMail icon come really soon! Hopefully ;-)
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Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.

TexUs said:
Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.
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well honestly i wouldn't have a problem with it. by the time multitasking comes out we will be so accustomed to returning to the home screen to do anything so it wouldn't be much of a hassle

TeNsTrKe15 said:
well honestly i wouldn't have a problem with it. by the time multitasking comes out we will be so accustomed to returning to the home screen to do anything so it wouldn't be much of a hassle
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This is just adding a second set of tiles to the homescreen. That's it. Unless there's some way to open that taskmanager up within any app- it's no different than what there currently exists.

TexUs said:
This is just adding a second set of tiles to the homescreen. That's it. Unless there's some way to open that taskmanager up within any app- it's no different than what there currently exists.
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yea i can see what you mean. opening the multitasking in an app would be nice. but it would not affect me to have to return to the home screen

Yeah, you're right. That was, was I was kinda missing.
But here is where the actual multitasking that MS showed before could come to work again. While you're in an app you press the back-button a litte bit longer. What than shows up could look like it does now in the "officel concept", or maybe like this...
htt p://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4185/multi2d.png
... just a quick idea.
I'll have a second thought about it.
And thanks for all the comments anyway. Made my at least think of something i obviously forgott.

TexUs said:
Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.
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Agreed.
I like the minimalist use of that side space, but I'm not sure a multi-tasking menu there is any improvement over the Mango demos. However, it might be a decent space for a "recent app" history bar, a toggle-able notification menu (a la Android/WebOS), or something along those lines.

Thurgo.Ôd said:
Yeah, you're right. That was, was I was kinda missing.
But here where the actual multitasking that MS showed before would come to work again. While you're in an app you press the back-button a litte bit longer. What then shows up could look like it does now, or like this...
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... just a quick idea.
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i do have to say that is a fine idea. keeps all the tiles as the are on in the games area (like how if you enter multitasking on iOS the icons pop up with the same size as if they were on the main screen). so yea everything stays equal. both ideas are great! would be awesome to see microsoft impement one of them!

Very cool work! All of these are pretty realistic additions and I hope Microsoft eventually does something like this.

Your multitasking and customisation concepts look really good. I'd love to have multitasking like this.
After all, I would start the taskmanager by longpressing the Windows-button too.
Official concept says it will be longpressing the back-button but in my opinion you'll need the taskmanager more often than this useless voicecommand.

since ms is not yet done with their own concept of mt., i hope they are still open to other great suggestions such as this one. it maximizes the blank space on the right side, simple and neat. its a great concept. hope what they have presented in mwc will not be the final code for mt. they need to think of ways on how to simplify it and one good example is this one.
there are also pic in wmpoweruser about themes and transparent tiles
http://wmpoweruser.com/another-windows-phone-7-multi-tasking-concept/
good job on the concept.

Loved your ideas when I read them on WMPoweruser this morning (thumbs thanks to WMPoweruser). So here are some pics to help spread the good word:
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HOLY ****! ;O
This is even better than I ever thought! Hey there, Microsoft, we are talking to you!
Pay attention on this. Seriously.

The multitasking concept is absolutely brilliant.
Fits to metro in a much nicer way than these webOS cards.

[q] miui lovers step in!!!

So , i was thinking changing from sense to miui.... but havent made my mind yet
could someone who has a little experience on miui roms convince me to switch?
All i ask for is some arguments on miui>sense
please sense/aosp lovers and miui haters dont post here
thanks in advance!

well it seems you already want to switch and dont need much convincing...
seeing as how you will only get biased responses when you ask for only people who love miui to reply. you will only get replies telling you to switch.
only way you can tell is to try it.
but, since you asked for it:
"OMGZ TRY MIUI IZ THE BEST!!!1!11"

The one reason I don't use MIUI at the monent:
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Notice the wrong coloured text for the title/Google T&Cs (white on white)? It stops me using it, as silly as that sounds

As ringer13 said, if you're asking MIUI lovers you will just going to hear the good sides of MIUI. I think it's your decision, some like it some not... You have to try it by yourself. Make a nandroid backup if you don't like it so it isn't a lot of work...
Anyway I've wrote a list of advantages and disadvantages. But it's just my opinion.
Advantages:
Layout (Can also be an disadvantage depends if you're liking the iOS like layout)
Theme Manager (very easy to customize the layout with lot of possibilities)
Fast
Nice Backup Features
File Manager
Music Player (with automatic lyrics)
Notification bar (Quick Settings)
Weekly updates
Disadvantages:
Official release just in Chinese, you have to wait some day until the rom is translated...
Translation errors
FM-Radio isn't working
No 720p recording
As EddyOS said the color errors
I think it's more buggy then Sense
I hope it helped you.

For me I wanted something battery efficient and aosp does that for me. Sense is just a battery killer really. I also really like the apps that come with and how many settings come with the rom. There are minor issues like Eddy said but I couldn't care because they get out weighed. Tbh if you want to see what a rom is like you should be trying it, not asking people if you should use it or not. It's taken me months and months of flashing and now I'm finally settled on miui androids rom.
Swyped...

dexter93 said:
So , i was thinking changing from sense to miui.... but havent made my mind yet
could someone who has a little experience on miui roms convince me to switch?
All i ask for is some arguments on miui>sense
please sense/aosp lovers and miui haters dont post here
thanks in advance!
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MIUI convert here. I highly recommend MIUI Au for the best MIUI english experience. The guys do amazing work with the rom and are providing weekly updates and patch fixes to problems as they are found.
In last release *everything* was working, except wifi but that is fixed by flashing an alternative kernel available from the site. Just do a nandroid backup and flash away, if you dont like it, roll back!

To echo what's been said already - backup, flash and try it out.
I flashed the latest version last weekend and kept it for a couple of days. It was a bit of a shock going from an AOSP ROM, almost like learning to use a new OS again.
Not having an app drawer befuddled me - I was poking at the screen waiting for a full apps list to appear
As a ROM it is very polished, looks terrific and has plenty of customisation options. I liked the folder options for home screen. Battery was pretty good too. I can understand why it has so many passionate converts.
I ended up going back to Oxygen though for one reason only - laggy menus. They were driving me nuts, especially as I was setting everything up from new.
I'll keep an eye on the translated versions on the XDA dev page and may try it again though.

I tried it for a very brief time
Way to iPhone for my liking ! .....

JokerNJ said:
I ended up going back to Oxygen though for one reason only - laggy menus. They were driving me nuts, especially as I was setting everything up from new.
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My thoughts exactly! I love eye candy and MIUI has such a nice design and concept (my opinion), but it was too laggy for me.

miui is really excellent and a good battery saver rom. in standby it stays more then 2 days for me. with sense i always had to charge it after 1 day.

I use MIUI-XJ X-part.. and i feel it is the best Rom... it isnt laggy a bit.. may be your installation is not perfect.. for me its damn fast... superb battery life..and so much of free space.. and ram.. for those who dont like.. IOS type interface.. you can always use launcher pro.. or go launche ex.. .i have used it too.. and I did not found any laggyness...
Some missing things are FM Radio.. and 720p recording.. which I am not a fan of.
And we might get 720p recording soon.. I miss FM sometime though..
I dont hate any ROM.. always apprecaite work behind it.. but I love MIUI

Cut features - What I miss in Windows Phone7.5 Mango that was in WP7

There are many, many (and more to come) new featurs in 7.5 and I love them all!
But I miss something in WP 7.5 (7.10.7712.60):
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Was nice when listening to long audiofiles. (also on lockscreen)
WP7___________________________________________________WP7.5
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The "search website" features is missing
3.
Please MS, let us change the reload icon/button to the tabs or favorites icon/button!
4.
The Imagequality when uploading from picture hub to Facebook is horrible now!
5.
The colors have been renamed. i.a. limettengrün to lindgrün.
Some (all?) of them (I noticed it on limettengrün/limegreen) are less colorful
Do U miss more features from WP7.5 that was in 7?
6.
Several Members: Transparent lockscreen wallpapers gone (IMO this isn't a cut feature, some of us just used a glitch...)
7.
jakelou said:
Editing (saving) old Word files (97-03) ... doesn't work anymore. -.-
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Whoa, and I thought the picture quality was horrible already in WP7 NoDo.
Hope its not worse, maybe just a bug that now appeared on your phone too?

Damn they removed that track timer in MANGO??? Thats so important.. no bar showing length?

I miss the old browser, don't really like how the new one is set up now
Sent from my HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Don't forget, they removed transparent wallpapers too. I was looking forward to this feature.

alexrodri0 said:
I miss the old browser, don't really like how the new one is set up now
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Why so?
I think the new placement of url etc is awesome.
What is it that is bad?

I don't think there'll be one single update,wp7 is too big a mess to solve in one swoop. Next year April probably we'll be smiling from ear to ear and sideloading apps we haven't even thought of. Until then its slim pickings,should have waited for the bloody Nokia.
Sent from my 7 Trophy using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

However as a Chinese user I have to upgrade to Mango to get the CHinese IME...

Dj21o said:
Don't forget, they removed transparent wallpapers too. I was looking forward to this feature.
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My current wallpaper is transparent..

Dj21o said:
Don't forget, they removed transparent wallpapers too. I was looking forward to this feature.
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I'm wondering if the transparent wallpaper "feature" was actually a bug that we just took advantage off. I noticed that the squares in various hubs, such as office and picture, no longer go transparent when I move from page to page like they did before mango.

Yeah I'm pretty sure wasn't a feature, it was more of a hack

Purple11 said:
My current wallpaper is transparent..
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Yeah man, they had to do something with Zune on the lockscreen, and it made it a huge mess. It's too bad, I did it to my friends focus and it looked beautiful. And I don't own a WP7 currently, so I will never get to enjoy it.
Maybe if we get a poll going, we could bring this to Microsoft's attention?

nizzon said:
Why so?
I think the new placement of url etc is awesome.
What is it that is bad?
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well i miss the favs button and the tabs button being on the screen, instead of having to use the menu, i honestly didnt mind the URL bar at the top, but whatever, I cant wait for the official Mango update to come out

Editing (saving) old Word files (97-03) ... doesn't work anymore. -.-

I have to agree about the browser. It's not a make or break problem for me, but is kind of annoying to have that extra step. I also wish they'd give IE a Forward/Back Button instead of using the hardware Back button. Would be nice for the URL to be on top & auto-hide, swipe down to show it in portrait & landscape. Make it thicker since it'd auto hide. Just my 2 cents on it.
Also, don't like them (MS) breaking homebrew native app (INTEROPSERVICES). That is a big deal for me. That's the main reason I'm not using the Beta2. The new features are nice, but the lack of homebrew kills it for me.

Dj21o said:
Yeah man, they had to do something with Zune on the lockscreen, and it made it a huge mess. It's too bad, I did it to my friends focus and it looked beautiful. And I don't own a WP7 currently, so I will never get to enjoy it.
Maybe if we get a poll going, we could bring this to Microsoft's attention?
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https://windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback
If you put it up there, i'll vote for it.

Quick little template of my idea, not perfect, but you get the point.
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hardcoreplur said:
https://windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback
If you put it up there, i'll vote for it.
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Going on my laptop as we speak.

Ok I put it under "personalize" and the title is "Transparent Lockscreen (Wallpapers)". Vote for it if you missed this feature!!!
https://windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback/suggestions/2107533-transparent-lockscreen-wallpapers-

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Quick little template of my idea, not perfect, but you get the point.
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pretty nice concept, that would be a perfect setup

Notification Concept for Windows Phone.. what do you guys think

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Notification center is one place for all new events and updates, like call, mails, messages, social networks updates such as Facebook and Twitter and others.
Full info Notification center concept for Windows Phone

Yeah I like it a lot.

Looks good to me too.

Looks awesome!!! Killer idea.

Looks great

thanks guys ..
You guys might also like some of the other concepts we have done in the past
Skype , Paypal
Our entire Concept series for Windows Phone

It looks nice, but is too busy for my taste.

Don't like the sense-esque weather or how busy it is as it'd muck up the UI but I like the concept, just too busy for metro.

Yup, a lot of these concepts don't take into account the amount of work the WP7 design team has put in to making the Metro UI uncluttered, simple and yet so stylish..
too busy and would look very out of place with the clean styling of the Metro UI

Looks like Android to me...

I love it - looks great and functional too.
Yes Metro UI is uncluttered, but unfortunately that means lists of white text on a black background...again and again. It's easy to use but boring to look at - reminds me of an old DOS terminal!

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Notification center is one place for all new events and updates, like call, mails, messages, social networks updates such as Facebook and Twitter and others.
Full info Notification center concept for Windows Phone
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Did you seriously just copy "Notification Center" from iOS 5 right down to the name?
In any case, it looks good. But I'm not sure Microsoft wants to go the down-swipe route. Maybe swipe right to a pane to the left of the start screen?
Or even an extra button on the start screen to go to a Notification Hub. The App list has Search, the Home Screen can have the notification button with a number inside the bubble. I think taht would be elegant and the most unintrusive way to add it in.
In the Hub you can have Notifications and Reminders, however if you have to go to the Notification Hub to get reminders you're already somewhat failed there The OS supports Tasks and To-Dos with half-screen notifications/reminders. There's no need for that pane, IMO.
I am sort of pissed that Microsoft didn't make toasts a rolling 3D box like Apple did in iOS, though... They really need to add a bit more 3D to the OS. It's way way too flat IMO. Almost painstakingly so.
Your Skype thing bought an issue to mind. Why doesn't the message hub in Mango have a graphic or text to tell you your online status? After all, the phone does not log you on automatically when you [re]boot it up.
The music playback controls there are thoroughly unnecessary since they're easily accessible by just pressing a volume key. Waste of space.
I actually think the bubble (Notifications for Start, Search for App list in same spot) would be a better solution than a gesture. Some apps take over that top area and I'm not sure how the phone will handle it when you have UI elements up there that need to be tapped or dragged.

Looks like Android not Windows Phone!

Way to busy, Metro is an elegant yet minimalist UI. This concept looks like a breed between Android and Windows Mobile. With Nokia now contributing to the actual OS I believe the 3rd page concept found on Meego will/should make the jump (minus twitter and facebook since they're already in the People hub).
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thanks guys ..
You guys might also like some of the other concepts we have done in the past
Skype , Paypal
Our entire Concept series for Windows Phone
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I much prefer your other concepts

I like the idea of a swipe down for a metro list of recent notifications though...that's a priceless idea and seems to flow properly within the windows 8 ecosystem

I think you are missing the point.
Ignore the background and additional applications etc. The notifications themselves look great and an idea I was thinking about.
If you don't code this up, I will

domineus said:
I like the idea of a swipe down for a metro list of recent notifications though...that's a priceless idea and seems to flow properly within the windows 8 ecosystem
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very wrong imo. A swipe down where? Lock screen? That's not very convenient, home screen? We swipe up and down to navigate the menu. The most viable option is a third table.

z33dev33l said:
very wrong imo. A swipe down where? Lock screen? That's not very convenient, home screen? We swipe up and down to navigate the menu. The most viable option is a third table.
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it's already in the os
swipe down you get your battery indicator and time...
same method of swiping but instead getting notifications...

Purple11 said:
Looks like Android to me...
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It does....
Nice concept, it's just not Windows Phone though...

go for it
@Peew971 : I didn't create it , one of our designers ( Yanko ) worked on the design

The next version of Ziggy is going to make the old one look like dirt

http://www.wpcentral.com/ask-ziggy-temporarily-busted-major-overhaul-horizon-exclusive-first-pics
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look really good then.
Time to do some Apple Siri-Comparing!

Just Downloaded v1 from the marketplace out of curiosity. Definately needs some help with accuracy lol

I like positive news and this is positive, WP needs to keep up the good work and listen to what we want and need, if they do then I can see them reaching their goals in 2015 but if the don't then, well... it's not good and you all know how I feel about that so I'll spare you my complaining.

The new update looks awesome..cant wait for it..And the best part is that it is totally free!

Symondo said:
Just Downloaded v1 from the marketplace out of curiosity. Definately needs some help with accuracy lol
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Agreed, I read some where that the dev of this app has actually been trying to get Ziggy to do more but you know MS and their damned restricted API's. I'n my opinion they need to hire this guy.

The screenshots look cool. I may dl it again.
I tried it before, and 90% of the time the response was just "would you like to do a websearch for that" or whatever it says.
I could save myself time and a couple steps by just voice-searching Bing.

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The screenshots look cool. I may dl it again.
I tried it before, and 90% of the time the response was just "would you like to do a websearch for that" or whatever it says.
I could save myself time and a couple steps by just voice-searching Bing.
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I know I hardly use it my self, I'll use it from time to time to entertain my self for a few laughs but it's great to see it evolve. You have to give it to the dev of the app; he has to improve it even with the MS restrictions.

I really don't like it when developers use a panorama design and put "Settings" as a screen to swipe to. They really should put the settings in the app bar. If he only wants the microphone icon in the app bar then add the settings to the "more" 2 dots part.
Otherwise I'm looking forward to this update!

sayonical said:
I really don't like it when developers use a panorama design and put "Settings" as a screen to swipe to. They really should put the settings in the app bar. If he only wants the microphone icon in the app bar then add the settings to the "more" 2 dots part.
Otherwise I'm looking forward to this update!
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LOL, I think he did it that way because people asked him to make it more metrofied.

Much better design and definitely if Microsoft know what they doing, they would hire this dude. These are people that are ready to dedicate their full time to Windows Phone.

sinister1 said:
LOL, I think he did it that way because people asked him to make it more metrofied.
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Then he should look closely at how MS design their panorama apps. Settings are always in the app bar in People hub, messaging, xbox live hub, calender etc
Generally when a user swipes along a panoramic screen its to see more content. Settings isn't more content. Most users don't even fiddle with it each time they launch the app unless they need to change something, so therefore dedicating an entire panoramic screen to it is bad design and not metro.
That is my opinion

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Then he should look closely at how MS design their panorama apps. Settings are always in the app bar in People hub, messaging, xbox live hub, calender etc
Generally when a user swipes along a panoramic screen its to see more content. Settings isn't more content. Most users don't even fiddle with it each time they launch the app unless they need to change something, so therefore dedicating an entire panoramic screen to it is bad design and not metro.
That is my opinion
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It's the case with so many major app developers. It's the mindset from other OSes. That brings us to badly developed apps argument. There is always an app for what we need, if not official, a client - majority of the times. But most apps are so horribly metrofied that it's mortifying. Making apps esp free ones, is an amazing task! But then full hearted approach to match the metro concept will streamline an user's experience and they will love your app more. Else someone too choosy about how his phone looks might find distasteful breaks in his streamline experience. Most WP users gotta be choosy with UI, why else would you love this new UI so much!?
May be people here won't agree, but this is what I generally consider as a factor whether any particular app will stay on my WP. In my WM and Android days, that wasn't an issue because OS UI was ugly anyway. But can't let the UI experience be ruined just because I want some functionality of an app that I might only use once a week or once a month!

Oh this looks so much better. I'm not a big fan of how it looks right now.
I do agree with previous comments about settings. A whole screen to swipe to is uneccessary. Put it in the bar.

I can agree Ziggy looks dirty. I hope developer ask some designers to help him make ui better.

Function over finesse. It's more important to get the core working well, than to tweak the look and feel.
For the most part the real use is a 1 button deal. Make it listen. Make it stop and process.
The app without a function update was only a cool concept, but not much worked properly. Since it is a 1 person team, I am glad the focus is on getting it to function properly.
Once the guts are working properly, it can be delivered. Then, we will have a great functional app while the user interface tweaks are done. Then we will have a superb app.