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I posted a question on the Modaco forum, but it was a complete waste of time as nobody replied!
I'd like to know if anyone has used the online kitchen on the Modaco website and if it is worth paying the 10USD to cook you own rom with the ingredients you'd like to have.
In other words. Pros and cons?
Thanks for any help
Astro
Moved to Q&A as not development.
you can see what the kitchen offers without paying, try mcr and if you like the rom and want the additions pay for it....
I was using the R8 ROM, I'd say it was well worth it. It's as close to stock as you can get, looks-wise. And the kitchen comes with a few nice little features you can have cooked in.
astrovale said:
I posted a question on the Modaco forum, but it was a complete waste of time as nobody replied!
I'd like to know if anyone has used the online kitchen on the Modaco website and if it is worth paying the 10USD to cook you own rom with the ingredients you'd like to have.
In other words. Pros and cons?
Thanks for any help
Astro
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I'm no cook, so what I tend to do is find a ROM someone else has been good enough to create and share and simply add/remove the app files I want/don't want. It's really quite easy, and you can pretty much customise everything by swapping and changing the programs......
Having said that tho, a $10 donation to Paul at MoDaCo is worthy for all of the work he has done in the past on our devices.
Thank you all guys for the advice.
@cr1960: you're correct: 10USD is a little price to pay for all the work done!
Astro
$10 is alot to pay for something when similar things are available for free.
Lots of other people do more work that 'paul' and don't ask for a fee.
And its not a donation. Its a fee disguised as a donation.
£10 for a year is a bargain in my book, although I do what cr1960 does and get a ROM and tweak it to my liking...
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£10 for a year is a bargain in my book, although I do what cr1960 does and get a ROM and tweak it to my liking...
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I'd love to be able to do the same, but I don't have the skills required, so I must rely on the kindness of strangers
Joking apart, I wish I could find a way to cook my own rom just adding the ingredients I think are necessary and some of the simply pleasant ones, but all the "kitchens" I've found where either too difficult for me to use, or required knowledge of Linux, or were simply not working
Ciao all
Astro
I would definately pay if I knew there was some kind of commitment from Paul. As it is now it's a one man show and if Paul decides that the new HTC devices are more interesting there might not be any future updates. I say "might" since I don't know, but I would like to know that the new Sense and future updates will be included in the kitchen (at least one year from the Desire release date).
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I'd love to be able to do the same, but I don't have the skills required, so I must rely on the kindness of strangers
Joking apart, I wish I could find a way to cook my own rom just adding the ingredients I think are necessary and some of the simply pleasant ones, but all the "kitchens" I've found where either too difficult for me to use, or required knowledge of Linux, or were simply not working
Ciao all
Astro
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Don't need a kitchen, just unzip the ROM and remove the APKs you don't want from the /system/app folder and add ones you do to the same folder (or /data/app if you want them to be removable in future). I do this all the time to remove a load of widgets I don't use and to add my 'normal' apps.
Then just rezip the ROM and either sign it using the signing package on here (somewhere) or flash it with signature checking turned off in your custom recovery
mercianary said:
$10 is alot to pay for something when similar things are available for free.
Lots of other people do more work that 'paul' and don't ask for a fee.
And its not a donation. Its a fee disguised as a donation.
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Fine then don't pay - that's your choice!
However, no one ever said it was a donation. It is a fee to get ad-free access to the MoDaCo website, and one of the benefits of that is to gain access to the MoDaCo kitchens.
My local pub has a sign up that says that their toilets are for customer use only - does that mean I'm paying to use them?
Just because you get a perk when you pay for something else doesn't mean you are paying for that perk!
As to the amount of work that Paul does, I think that speaks for itself! Paul is pretty much at the forefront of the rooting effort for almost all new HTC Android devices!
Regards,
Dave
I stand corrected, haven't looked at mocaco for a long time. It says support not donate.
But I still don't like it. No one pays the fee to get rid of the ads, people pay the fee to get access to the kitchen. It would be like going to your pub and paying to use the toilet and getting a free beer.
I don't believe 'paul' is a real person, I believe that 'paul' is a group of people working for modaco for the soul purpose of getting people to support the site. People are more likely to donate, sorry, support a person who most idolize rather than a support faceless business.
Its just the impression I got when I was looking through the site when I first rooted my phone. I don't believe any 1 person can be that helpfull with that many devices, Paul must spend all day everyday working on these phones (working being the operative word here,ie a job), and they aren't exactly cheap (support).
My point is I'd rather be in a community where people do work on these devices because its what they love, not as a means to line their own pockets.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, its just my oppinion, a conspiracy theory, I have no proof of any of this.
Seeing as he's not updated the Desire forum in weeks would suggest he is hard at work on other projects - and he goes to press releases and probably gets phones free as demo units
As posted at L337Ware
I'm not some kind of communist hippie but I have to admit it's nice to get a high quality free application that isn't marred by Ads every once in a while. I've noticed a trend of sorts lately that alot of applications I originally downloaded aren't offered for free anymore or now have Ads plastered about them. In a matter of fact I probably need to consider how I'm going to update some of the reviews already on this site.
This leads me to wonder why? Is this a sign of things to come? We are already being charged a premium for XBox Live games in comparison to the titles on other platforms even in the light of some missing features. I've kind of attributed that to supply and demand though and know the prices will drop as things become more competitive. Perhaps the initial offerings were a simple test of the waters? I've considered this as developers are still trying to get their footing on this new platform. Regardless it still kind of feels like a bit of a bait and switch to the end user.
That being said I understand the need to cash in because I know some of these applications took a considerable amount of time and effort on the developers part. Honestly I wish as much consideration was placed on developing new business models as producting new products in the mobile market. Creative uses of Geotagging, cameras, and perhaps even social networking could be used as opposed to damaging the user's experience.
Since I kind of dropped the gauntlet there I will cough up a few examples.
Geotagging - The user has to go to say a store in order to unlock an application. This would also work with a setup where a purchase has to be made if a code was offered on the receipt.
Cameras - Scan a bar code for this product using your phone to unlock application. This could even change from month to month as the app relocks.
Social Networking - Like this page on Facebook and keep it liked to keep app full featured or follow this entity on twitter to unlock app.
I'm not saying all of these ideas would be easy or even effective but the current models could definitely use some work. At the end of the day I don't really blame the developers as they are doing what they need to in order to justify their hard work. I believe the burden really falls on the creator of the platform to step up and separate themselves from the pack. In this case I hope Microsoft moves a bit faster than their competition.
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I hope Microsoft moves a bit faster than their competition.
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I lol'd.....
Seriously though, I noticed on the app store the other day that there's a Lego game where you can unlock in game items by going to a shop and scanning the bar codes on actual Lego products so what your suggesting is probably already happening on a small scale, if not its right around the corner.
MS will probably catch up in 3-4 years ....... just kidding.
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Given the three alternatives you proposed, I'd take ads in the app over all of them. All of those would be far more annoying requirements than a minimal ad that I most likely won't respond to anyway. In those cases, I have to go out of my way to locate a product and allow someone else to be aware of my activity.
All things considered, I think I'd rather keep things as they are. Many of the ad-based apps I have now only display the ads on title, setup, and other ancillary screens, not during the main functions of the app. That seems like a reasonable approach.
I can see where you are coming from. Thing is I tend to get very annoyed when I accidentally click an ad while trying to use an application. Seriously I'm not really a professional in the field of digital marketing but if I can come up with alternatives that easily there definately has to be a better way.
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I can see where you are coming from. Thing is I tend to get very annoyed when I accidentally click an ad while trying to use an application. Seriously I'm not really a professional in the field of digital marketing but if I can come up with alternatives that easily there definately has to be a better way.
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I've never accidentally clicked an ad in an app. Either you need to start using higher quality apps or finetune your motor skills
Sure, your alternatives are interesting, but how exactly would developers get paid using them? Take the FB/Twitter like/follow scenario for example - sure, you gain a bunch of followers but there's no money changing hands.
Scanning a barcode could work for branded apps, i.e. the app is commissioned by the manufacturers of the product in question. But apps like these are generally free anyway - unless we are talking e.g. Lego Games where this approach would be great (although, including a code INSIDE a box of Legos would be better in terms of revenue).
I really like the GeoTagging idea though, but again I'm not entirely sure how you, as a developer, would leverage this. You could do what Cocktail Flow has done and sell your app for $$$ but include an in-app code-redemption (or in this case, Location-based) system of sorts where the full app unlocks. It sort of limits your reach though as you will either have to contact retailers (or theme parks, coffee shops, etc etc) all across the globe to strike deals with them about kickbacks.
Generally speaking, using GeoLocation or Barcodes is pretty smart, but not for the average developer. Too much overhead in terms of administrating the scheme. For branded apps I definitely think we'll see more taking advantage of this to unlock "special" features or offers though.
As an interesting side-note, there are fairly huge discrepancies between countries in terms or trial-to-paid conversions and the like. The US seems to be very low on the list in buying apps at all whereas Australia is on top when comparing the same app, with an equal price. As a "desktop" ISV I've never come across this before (the US has always given very high trial-to-paid conversions for me) so there is something about the mobile sector that makes people vary about purchasing apps. Even comparing a $20 desktop app with a $1 mobile app the desktop app has higher sales. My take is that the app "bubble" is about to burst.
how dare the devs make money???
Research has shown that ad supported apps do better than paid apps. I would gladly pay for any app over an ad supported, but apparently I'm in the minority on that one.
Just ask the indie developer Elbert Perez, over 100k made on ad revenue...
ad free - the wonderful application that blocks ad related sites systen-wide. love it !
emigrating said:
I've never accidentally clicked an ad in an app. Either you need to start using higher quality apps or finetune your motor skills
Sure, your alternatives are interesting, but how exactly would developers get paid using them? Take the FB/Twitter like/follow scenario for example - sure, you gain a bunch of followers but there's no money changing hands.
Scanning a barcode could work for branded apps, i.e. the app is commissioned by the manufacturers of the product in question. But apps like these are generally free anyway - unless we are talking e.g. Lego Games where this approach would be great (although, including a code INSIDE a box of Legos would be better in terms of revenue).
I really like the GeoTagging idea though, but again I'm not entirely sure how you, as a developer, would leverage this. You could do what Cocktail Flow has done and sell your app for $$$ but include an in-app code-redemption (or in this case, Location-based) system of sorts where the full app unlocks. It sort of limits your reach though as you will either have to contact retailers (or theme parks, coffee shops, etc etc) all across the globe to strike deals with them about kickbacks.
Generally speaking, using GeoLocation or Barcodes is pretty smart, but not for the average developer. Too much overhead in terms of administrating the scheme. For branded apps I definitely think we'll see more taking advantage of this to unlock "special" features or offers though.
As an interesting side-note, there are fairly huge discrepancies between countries in terms or trial-to-paid conversions and the like. The US seems to be very low on the list in buying apps at all whereas Australia is on top when comparing the same app, with an equal price. As a "desktop" ISV I've never come across this before (the US has always given very high trial-to-paid conversions for me) so there is something about the mobile sector that makes people vary about purchasing apps. Even comparing a $20 desktop app with a $1 mobile app the desktop app has higher sales. My take is that the app "bubble" is about to burst.
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Way to be disingenuous...
Desktop apps are easier and better to use, and are usually worth the extra cash. Higher rez graphics, better graphics in general (even with Integrated cards) and generally of higher quality with better support IME.
But it's not hard to misclick an ad when apps seem to have them on the bottom on one screen and at the top of others, and some apps randomly change ad positioning.
It's part of the reason why I uninstalled AlphaJack. There aren't enough people on the platform to not have a ton of "dead" games in your list, and the Ads move from top to bottom on different screens. Also, Ads on the top of the screen in Metro are just terrible, and prone to misclicks because the gesture area is up there (to see your Wi-Fi status and Reception level)... Ads on the bottom are prone to misclicks because the menu and app control buttons are down there. Ads generally look pretty bad and do not fit within the GUI, either...
All those ideas are pretty terrible and with gas prices these days it costs more to go to the store to unlock an app than to just buy it. For me and where I'm located, I could probably buy 10 apps with the gas I wasted just to unlock one app...
How about they just give longer trial periods so that we don't have to buy basically every app on impulse. Very short time limited trials (i.e. Android's 15 minutes), and feature limited trials (many WP7 apps) do not give me incentive to buy anything.
Most functionality we need on a smartphone is trivial to obtain via stock apps, anyways, besides games.
Your options 1 and 2.. Have the user buy something else, or get close to a for-purchase product, to make the app free. Your option 3.. follow them on a social network, never give them any money.
Why not just skip a burger/beer/brownie and give the dev a couple of dollars for the app? I don't understand people.. they'll pay $10-$15 to sit in a movie theater for 2 hours but won't spend $2.99 to use an app everday forevermore. YOu said you respect their time and effort, do you really? Don't forget that they have to pay to be in the Marketplace.
Look, I'm a regular user too... I'm hesitant to spend on something when I don't know if it's good or if free alternatives will do it. That's why MS put trials in. Unfortunately MS wasn't smart enough to have a 3rd category between "paid" and "free" called "trial", so people just browse free apps and devs have to do ads to make money.
This still isn't a big deal. The app's free. The devs support their users for free. Maybe we should be telling Google etc to find a revolutionary new complicated business model and stop sticking ads in our web pages
MSdoes have trial apps.
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Add suported model is also the easiest to gain money, no paperwork with ms. A few clicks and your good to go, plus you can serve a much larger crowd since a lot of people can only use free apps on wp7.
Even a big part of europe does not have the possibility to buy apps yet and you dont want to exclude your own countries people ( in my case), your friends and family.
for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
meccaandroid said:
for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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I think that XDA provide us with a great place to come and learn and share our knowledge. In order to achive this their is going to be costs and if they can make some extra money from selling a book. To then use the said money to make this service even better, i can only see it as a good thing. Also a lot of people find it easier to read from a book than a computer screen.
Edit - I have just read the portal artical, and all the profits are going to the EFF, although the money is not going directly into XDA, it will directly help and benifit XDA, as they have done in the past.
All revenue earned through purchases of the book on Amazon will be donated to the EFF, which has given assistance to members of our community in the past. It’s available in both physical and eBook formats. Without further ado, here’s where you can get it right now:
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Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
conantroutman said:
Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
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Yes the profits are going to a very good cause. And to be honest with you I don't have any problem spending the $23 USD plus tax for the book. I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. But you just can not please all of the people no matter how hard you try.
I ordered mine in October, 2011. After many delays (like the Galaxy S3) I received my copy from amazon on Tuesday. I will use this weekend to read it. Learn some pointers.
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, another good reason to go to the portal besides when the forums are down for maintenance.
svetius said:
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, i will keep an eye out for that, stay at home dad = Poor
Good things come at a price..'nuff said.
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1.What phones do not require root to emulate nfc cards. -Curious if they exist
2.What's the difference between an an 100$ “human” ntag216 implant found on popular sites and 30$ for 10x animal raid ntag216 from China popular site is..? Considering high chances the “human” are also from China.
3.After successfully cracking an entrance card (nothing illegal, my own from my building door), knowing it's a HF Nfc with secret key, could I clone it into an implant and use my hand for access?
4. For beginners crackers (and again, not illegal stuff, I'm a 31 years engineer with a family and stable situation, learned how to lockpick locks just cause I thought was James Bond-ish and actually the skill helped me couple of times) who want to start learning, do I need a CHAMELEON MINI: REVE or a Proxmark 3 RDV2 is enough for sniffing, cracking, reading, emulating and also writing..?
5. If Proxmark is the way to go, should it be Easy, RDV2 or the upcoming Rdv 4.0?
6. What is the best nfc tag I could look into for an implant? Considering if I do this I have to have the best.. Or is something around the corner and should wait for it? Plus saw different prices (99-119-199$) for things that I'm not really sure in the difference if it's not clearly specified (ex. This is ntag213 and this one is ntag216..).
I know I have to read and learn a lot more but basic answers would educate me and shorten my road of learning so any input is highly appreciated, thank you.
Best regards
RoDanCo said:
1.What phones do not require root to emulate nfc cards. -Curious if they exist
2.What's the difference between an an 100$ “human” ntag216 implant found on popular sites and 30$ for 10x animal raid ntag216 from China popular site is..? Considering high chances the “human” are also from China.
3.After successfully cracking an entrance card (nothing illegal, my own from my building door), knowing it's a HF Nfc with secret key, could I clone it into an implant and use my hand for access?
4. For beginners crackers (and again, not illegal stuff, I'm a 31 years engineer with a family and stable situation, learned how to lockpick locks just cause I thought was James Bond-ish and actually the skill helped me couple of times) who want to start learning, do I need a CHAMELEON MINI: REVE or a Proxmark 3 RDV2 is enough for sniffing, cracking, reading, emulating and also writing..?
5. If Proxmark is the way to go, should it be Easy, RDV2 or the upcoming Rdv 4.0?
6. What is the best nfc tag I could look into for an implant? Considering if I do this I have to have the best.. Or is something around the corner and should wait for it? Plus saw different prices (99-119-199$) for things that I'm not really sure in the difference if it's not clearly specified (ex. This is ntag213 and this one is ntag216..).
I know I have to read and learn a lot more but basic answers would educate me and shorten my road of learning so any input is highly appreciated, thank you.
Best regards
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RoDanCo said:
1.What phones do not require root to emulate nfc cards. -Curious if they exist
2.What's the difference between an an 100$ “human” ntag216 implant found on popular sites and 30$ for 10x animal raid ntag216 from China popular site is..? Considering high chances the “human” are also from China.
3.After successfully cracking an entrance card (nothing illegal, my own from my building door), knowing it's a HF Nfc with secret key, could I clone it into an implant and use my hand for access?
4. For beginners crackers (and again, not illegal stuff, I'm a 31 years engineer with a family and stable situation, learned how to lockpick locks just cause I thought was James Bond-ish and actually the skill helped me couple of times) who want to start learning, do I need a CHAMELEON MINI: REVE or a Proxmark 3 RDV2 is enough for sniffing, cracking, reading, emulating and also writing..?
5. If Proxmark is the way to go, should it be Easy, RDV2 or the upcoming Rdv 4.0?
6. What is the best nfc tag I could look into for an implant? Considering if I do this I have to have the best.. Or is something around the corner and should wait for it? Plus saw different prices (99-119-199$) for things that I'm not really sure in the difference if it's not clearly specified (ex. This is ntag213 and this one is ntag216..).
I know I have to read and learn a lot more but basic answers would educate me and shorten my road of learning so any input is highly appreciated, thank you.
Best regards
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I ordered myself some 4 samples from a Chinese manufacturer, 2x ntag 213 and 2x ntag 216.
They cost me around 20$ altogether (shipping costs from China included) at this time, nowadays they are cheaper to obtain (eBay...).
I couldn't find any specs about for example the one from dangerous things, but at least the Chinese ones are / behave exactly like the corresponding data-sheets. Addresses and (lock-)bits are correct to the ISO standard.
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Ntag 213 has far less amount of rw memory -- 144 bytes vs 888 bytes in the 216.
My supplier claimed, the ntag 213 would provide a better range/readability compared to the 216.
However, I could not confirm or deny this.
Far more important was, which ROM I used and which phone. On some non-rooted stock phones, there was only the one or the other usable, funny enough very seldom both with the same setup.
However, given the price tag of a pack of ten, you can easily install several of them at no cost.
(Be aware, they normally ship without an injection device, so you have to do micro surgery or build your own or buy at least one animal tag with an injection tool. These normally ship with kHz Tags, the kind used in animals and door systems, a opposed to the MHz tags like ntag).
Amazon also sells lidocaine doses fit for injection at no great cost.
Sadly enough, nfc-unlock for your phone became less convenient with Android 5 as opposed to 4.4, and was completely removed by Google in Android Oreo. (Still can't believe they did this).
I highly suggest you join the vivo-key beta program, I am sure they'll be accepting your request.
This is the next step in implants, implementing things like secure id, two factor authentication.
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