I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
t3tr1s_ said:
I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
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Knox isn't really for T-mobile to detect root/custom firmware but for Samsung warranty. A fair amount of people on here have stated that they still sent their phones in to Sammy for warranty and they still got their phones fixed. T-mobile really only look for cracked screens, water damage and that the phone powers on and boots up. Not to say you'll never have an issue but i would say it's not really that big of a deal to trip the Knox counter. Especially if you bought the insurance like Asurion. I don't think they even care if your rooted and ROM'd
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
t3tr1s_ said:
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
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On the old 4.3 firmware yes you can root with Root De La Vega and not trip the Knox counter but once you put ANY custom recovery it will trip the counter. Now on the OTA 4.4.2 that was released on Wednesday, the only 2 current ways to root (TWRP or Philz CWM) will trip the Knox counter no matter what. So until something comes out like an updated ROOT De La Vega, there's no way to even root without tripping the Knox counter.
Also from what i read, RDLV isn't being developed anymore so unless they decide to do something with it for the all the 4.4.2 releases hitting phones these days there may not be anything for a bit to root without tripping knox.
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Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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That is true for 4.3 but so far you can't on 4.4 from everything I have seen. Do you now of a way to not trip knox on 4.4?
Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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Did I miss something? Is there a way to Root 4.4.2 without tripping Knox? I don't care I've tripped Knox the first night i had my N3 but I didn't think there was a way. Kningo and RDLV i thought borked the phones and caused bootloops.
My t-mobile store says that if you root your phone then it voids your warranty, so obviously they won't allow me to upgrade... So I know they check for it.. How is it you guys have stores where they don't seem to care?
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Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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If your baseband is NB4 or NE6 you can use "Towelroot" for rooting
otherwise if your baseband is NF1 or NF4 Towelroot will not work.
Towelroot will not trip knox.
If you flash any custom recovery knox will get triggered
but so far no one lost their warranty due to triggering knox.
Without custom recovery you will not be able to flash any
custom roms.
Good luck!
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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You can use your insurance even with knox tripping. It only voids your samsung warranty, not your insurance. Just an fyi.
Sent from my leanKernel 3.4 powered stock 4.4.2 (NF4) SM-N900T
my friend tmobile insurance doesnt care if you have knox trip off
either way you pay one 175 for a new note or screen fix we so i dont matter if you damage the phone or the system
Thanks towelroot worked great with my NB4 baseband..and my needed app works great as well.
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Just use The EffortLess Way to root NF4 without tripping KNOX!
I need to root my tablet so I can use a few apps I like. I had it on my Samsung note 10.1 2012 and used triangle away. Not really looking for a rom, at this point I like stock ROM.
Any help please?
This has been answered a 1000 x before. Knox flag will trip and no known way to reset.
I have already rooted but have since noticed an issue with my display and I am past the return date for Best Buy. Because I have tripped Knox, I will not be able to send it in to Samsung?
touchwiziscute said:
I have already rooted but have since noticed an issue with my display and I am past the return date for Best Buy. Because I have tripped Knox, I will not be able to send it in to Samsung?
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You can always send it back for repair. Whether the repair cost is covered by warranty will depend on your local laws and or willingness of the service center. Just return it in official status and "play dumb"
Triangle away won't work?
Nope... it wont work on knox... will only work on normal counter.
edan1979 said:
Nope... it wont work on knox... will only work on normal counter.
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I didn't bother answering only to repeat myself again. .....
I too would love to root but don't want to trip Knox. Samsung are real bastard for introducing it. Too bad the only capable hacker Geohot sold out and works for Google patching exploits now...
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What about this towel root thing? It says it roots without tripping Knox, is this true?
please read... towel root no longer working on new release since geohot = the guy who make it are now working with google to patch those exploit.
Sooo, I'm not entirely new to XDA, I know I should search for things and I have been, if you know a thread that may help, please post and point me in the right direction, thanks.
I just learned about KNOX (Haven't paid samsung much attention in the past year) and wanted to know; is there any way I can root, and install a custom rom/recovery without tripping KNOX?
Or is there a way for me to still use T-Mobile's insurance with a KNOX count of 0x1? I want to move to Android L as soon as it's fully released (or a little after for bugs to move away). Thanks.
devilsmarch said:
Sooo, I'm not entirely new to XDA, I know I should search for things and I have been, if you know a thread that may help, please post and point me in the right direction, thanks.
I just learned about KNOX (Haven't paid samsung much attention in the past year) and wanted to know; is there any way I can root, and install a custom rom/recovery without tripping KNOX?
Or is there a way for me to still use T-Mobile's insurance with a KNOX count of 0x1? I want to move to Android L as soon as it's fully released (or a little after for bugs to move away). Thanks.
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If you want to flash a custom ROM, there is no need to root at all. If you already have a KNOX bootloader (MK2, NB4, and NH7) flashing custom ROMs WILL trip the KNOX counter. No way to get around it. I think you can root MK2 and NB4 without tripping KNOX, but I'm not sure about NH7. Look up towelroot. If you decide the KNOX counter doesn't really matter, CF-Auto Root works for all versions flawlessly.
If, by some strange chance, you are still on the 4.2.2 (MDL or MDB) bootloader, you can pretty much do whatever you want because KNOX wasn't yet implemented on those bootloaders; Triangle Away is all you'd need to return the device to 100% official status. That app only resets the flash counter; it does nothing to the KNOX warranty flag. That can't be reset.
As far as using insurance with an 0x1 counter... chances are it will go through. The reports are mixed; some people haven't had a problem while others have gotten busted.
Sorry for the noobish question, but I keep hearing about this Knox counter thing on the Root Bounty threads, that people will pay extra if it doesn't trip Knox.
Can someone tell me WHAT Knox is, what it's significance is to the phone and to rooting/flashing?
JOSHSKORN said:
Sorry for the noobish question, but I keep hearing about this Knox counter thing on the Root Bounty threads, that people will pay extra if it doesn't trip Knox.
Can someone tell me WHAT Knox is, what it's significance is to the phone and to rooting/flashing?
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I'm not sure... all I know is I learned to fear anything Knox
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Knox is built in security that samsung has created. problem is that when you root, it trips a knox counter so samsung or verizon can simply power the phone into the bootloader and see knox is tripped, and right away know the device is rooted, which voids any warranties.
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jayochs said:
Knox is built in security that samsung has created. problem is that when you root, it trips a knox counter so samsung or verizon can simply power the phone into the bootloader and see knox is tripped, and right away know the device is rooted, which voids any warranties.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 using Tapatalk.
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Can Knox be removed somehow? Have other phones with Knox been successfully rooted without tripping it?
JOSHSKORN said:
Can Knox be removed somehow? Have other phones with Knox been successfully rooted without tripping it?
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No, knox can not be removed. It also can NOT be reset. Yes, phones have been rooted without tripping knox. I had my Verizon Note 3 rooted and knox was not tripped.
Basically, here's how I explained it to a friend. Think of knox, as a saftey line keeping you from opening your car's hood. Your warranty is fine as long as you don't mess with the engine. You decide to cut that line, and pop the hood. That's tripping knox. If you tried to modify the engine and ended up blowing it up, yeah, you ****ed up! However, if didn't touch the engine, and then later had your car's horn stop working, it doesn't matter. Because you popped the hood, your engine car's warranty is GONE!
Hi, as stated, I need a bit of help understanding what's involved when Knox is tripped after rooting. I want to root my Note 4 (Verizon) but all the methods I've found will trip Knox. From what I understand after Knox has been tripped, Samsung will know you rooted and there for will void the warranty. Well that's easy to understand, but what about insurance I have with Verizon? Let's say I drop my phone and break the screen while it's rooted (meaning Knox has been tripped) and I take it to Verizon and pay the $100 or so deductible to fix/replace my phone. Will they also look at Knox and potentially say "No, Knox was tripped." I just want to better understand the situation I would be in when/if I trip Knox because I'm a huge phone person and not having my device rooted is killing me. I feel like there is half of a phone I'm not using. Thanks in advance guys!
Aerosys said:
Hi, as stated, I need a bit of help understanding what's involved when Knox is tripped after rooting. I want to root my Note 4 (Verizon) but all the methods I've found will trip Knox. From what I understand after Knox has been tripped, Samsung will know you rooted and there for will void the warranty. Well that's easy to understand, but what about insurance I have with Verizon? Let's say I drop my phone and break the screen while it's rooted (meaning Knox has been tripped) and I take it to Verizon and pay the $100 or so deductible to fix/replace my phone. Will they also look at Knox and potentially say "No, Knox was tripped." I just want to better understand the situation I would be in when/if I trip Knox because I'm a huge phone person and not having my device rooted is killing me. I feel like there is half of a phone I'm not using. Thanks in advance guys!
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Most important question. ..Do you have a VZW Developers Edition that you bought straight from Samsung? They only have a 30day warranty. Tripping KNOX is really not that important to DE owners. Asurion insurance will not replace a DE with a DE if claimed for damage. If you bought the phone from Verizon or any other retailer...you have a "Retail" device ....currently no root for Retail Devices..
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I have retail. And I've seen root methods for select retail including Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile. Must not work anymore or something. And I just want to make sure if Knox is tripped my insurance with Asurion is still okay.
Aerosys said:
I have retail. And I've seen root methods for select retail including Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile. Must not work anymore or something. And I just want to make sure if Knox is tripped my insurance with Asurion is still okay.
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Retail has no root for vzw and att cf auto don't work either only DE
Aerosys said:
I have retail. And I've seen root methods for select retail including Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile. Must not work anymore or something. And I just want to make sure if Knox is tripped my insurance with Asurion is still okay.
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Never has been root for retail VZW Note 4......only for DE. No root makes it really hard to trip KNOX... No unlocked bootloader means no custom recovery. so no flashing to trip KNOX. Flashing a custom recovery (on unlockable phones) always trios KNOX now. Sprint and T-mobile have unlockabke bootloaders....ATT and Verizon are locked.
Sent from my SM-N910V / VZW Note 4 DE / Factory Bootloader Unlocked / Rooted / Custom Kernel-ed / TWRP 2.8.5.0.trltevzw