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Hey Everyone,
Has anybody identified a good program for having "remote control" functionality with the Hermes? I was in a place with REALLY bad TV where I would have killed for the ability to change the f-ing channel.
Thanks!
Try NoviiRemote Deluxe!
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Try NoviiRemote Deluxe!
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Seconded, it's superb. Had to manually program all the codes in though myself, as it refused to work with preprogrammed ones.
Forget IR-Remote with Hermes. The IR-beam is too weak, has only max. 1 meter radius
Doesn't look like it is actively produced anymore (but you can still track it down - http://www.shentech.com/totalremote.html ) I've still got a Griffin Total Remote and it'd be interesting to see if it would work with the headphone adapter etc. Essentially it is software and a powerful IR adapter that converts audio signals from your headphone jack to IR signals...
it is weak but it is better than nothing. i am using it my tytn as remote controller for my dslr on trips
Anyone know anything about this stereo -
http://www.parrot.com/usa/products/bluetooth-hands-free-car-kits/parrot-asteroid
Even, where it can be bought, how much it is? What OS it runs for that matter?
well it says that it has Android embedded, so the OS is Android
it looks pretty interesting too...
as for when/where/how much, the site says "Coming soon in 2011", so I'm guessing that it is yet-to-be-offered and they may not have decided their MSRP yet.
William
First, I don't know if I can post links yet. Second, I'm too lazy to dig it up. They had an article on Androidpolice during CES that included a speaker from Parrot showcasing it. I think he said a Q2 release. I'll be getting this the second its released, regardless of price.
anyone have any more details on this? Q2 is all they're saying...
I want one now!!
For the European markets, they say May. Hopefully the beginning of May
Hope they didn't get a developer team from Motorola, then it's going to takes at least another year
next week
i was infomrmed dynamicsounds expected to be stocked next week
wonder if its worth getting
i am currently considering getting it as i need a car kit any way
apperantly they are avalible as of today at 289 euro in the netherlands
I have one
I currently have an Asteroid sitting on my desk here
When I find some time tonight I'll take it for a testdrive and let you guys know!
Excellent. Please let us know.
What apps are available at the moment?
Im hoping for Spotify and proper navigation once the sdk is released...
Yay, someone that has the Asteroid!
Please, let us now!
And, tell us how the music player works.
I want to hook a big memory card, or if there's room a 40GB laptop harddisk to the unit.
Also, streaming from Bluetooth from your phone. Btw, what kind of phone do you have?
(And hmm.. Gorinchem.. That's not that far from my weekly commute.. )
Asteroid
Been driving around with the Asteroid for a while now and it's a pretty neat radio but not perfect.
Building it into the car was a breeze. With the radio came all the needed cables, like a 3,5mm jack, iPod cable, USB cable for usb-sticks, GPS dongle and microphone for the carkit. All cables were pretty long so you should have no problem routing them to whatever place you want them in your car.
Soundquality is pretty good and there are plenty of connections for subwoofers and external amplifiers so it should suffice even for cars with loads of fat speakers.
Connecting my phone, an HTC Desire with CyanogenMod 7.1 (nightly build), was easy through bluetooth and streaming music over bluetooth went without problems. Answering phonecalls and navigating the menu is pretty easy.
A few problems I ran into though. To use internet on the radio (for google maps, internet radio, coyote speed camera alerts) you can either use a 3g USB dongle (which costs you at least 10€ a month where I live) or tether your phone through bluetooth (maybe usb works, haven't tried yet). To do this, your phone needs to support the bluetooth DUN profile which android lacks. Nokia phones should be no problem though. I've tried using 3rd party apps like PDANet but to no avail.
Furthermore I found that the device lacks some tweaking capabilities. For example, when i'm navigating my contacts from my phone, the device tries to "read" the contacts for me using text-to-speech. I've found no way to turn this off. Furthermore I could find no option in the settings to turn off the traffic announcements from radio. The device now switches to radio when i'm listening to music from my SD card to bring me the traffic information (Which can be skipped by pressing the "back" button). Finally, the device came with a Dutch language setting and i've found no way to turn this to English, which is the language I prefer.
Please note, I have only used this radio for a short while and I might've missed some things! I think this is a very nice radio though and since it is the first model and only out for a week or so now I think there will be some updates from Parrot's side, perhaps expanding the capabilities of this device. The only major drawback is the lack of internet connectivity if you have an Android phone. This is not Parrot's fault though but rather Google's. I heard though that Honeycomb supports Bluetooth PAN and I think the Asteroid supports this for Internet tethering so i'm keeping my hopes up for Android Icecream to bring this feature to my phone.
Pro:
- Lots sources for music: Radio, USB stick, SD Card, iPod, 3.5mm Jack line-in
- Android with Google Maps
- Speed camera Alerts
- Large screen (for a single DIN radio unit)
- Lots of cables came with the Radio (With a Pioneer your need to buy overpriced iPod cables separately)
- Its a handsfree carkit, and Parrot knows how to make those by now
- Lots of tweaking possible with the sound
Con:
- Internet does not work with Android phones (yet)
- Lacks certain tweaking possibilities in the settings menu
Feel free to ask any questions
Thank you for the excellent review.
Those drawbacks are major issues,
but Im hoping Parrot will come up with some patches
soon.
The Asteroid is not on sale here yet, and it might take a while.
But I am going to Holland later this month..
Anyone know a place close to Schiphol that sell Parrot equipment?
I also have the Parrot Asteroid for a few days now. But I can't get thetering trough Bluetooth working on my HTC Desire Z (Android 2.2).
I used an app called "PdaNet" or something, with that I can enalbe "Dun - Dia-up Network". And I can make a connection with the parrort trough Settings > Network > Bluetooth. But as soon as I try to use an application that uses internet, it won't work and says I need a internet connection.
Anyone know how I can use DUN or PAN, because an Asteroid doesn't have WiFi and can't tether trough USB ??
Thanx!
RobertR21,
Android does currently not support PAN or DUN so using that is probably not possible without any 3rd party software. I tried PDAnet aswell but it did not work.
You might try connecting your phone to the 3G dongle port on your asteroid through USB, as android supports USB tethering, I have not tried this myself. I can verify though that DUN works, I tried it with my Nokia and it worked flawlessly.
I hear there's rumours on the Internets though that Android icecream is going to support PAN though, so maybe then we can use our android phones. Maybe before that time Parrot will find a solution.
Does anyone know which 3g USB dongles work with the Asteroid?
In my case: I have a Trekstor/Huawei MiFi which can also be used as a "Stick" - Will this work via USB? My Asteroid Device ships in (wish me luck) tomorrow. Pimpin' my Ride is planned at Saturday ;-)
ThX
Hi, I've got the this Parrot Asteriod also.
And For you guys I can use bluetooth internet though my old HTC Hero. I can do it also with other phones. but there is a trick for it.
First root your phone, this is absolutely nessasary.
Then download from the market 'Wireless Tether for root users'(it is a free app).
This one has internet tethering through bluetooth.
Go to menu and select bluetooth instead of wifi.
then go to access-control and eneble it.
Make the bluetooth visible in the tether program.
On the asteroid go to setting and then network and then bluetooth is will find your phone(again) and press the nice parrot butten and it connects.
then on your phone again give it authorization to use the tether and you have your internet.
One problem is that you have to connect manually every time. (your carkit does it automaticly) but not the internet. But at least you can then enjoy your live radio and google maps if you want to.
You only have to have the tether active and connect only through the radio other steps are not needed anymore after.
Internet through usb with your doesn't work, to bad.
One issue that I've encountered with this radio the front panel will become pretty hot after playing an half hour on a high volume. does anyone else have this problem also?
Hi,
I am also considering getting an Asteroid. I have several questions:
- Is there also offline navigation available?
- Can any app from the normal market be installed? Or is there a special Parrot market?
- What Android version is installed?
- Anyway to root it? (What ever functionality this would add?)
Greetings
karlv
Dysphoria said:
Furthermore I found that the device lacks some tweaking capabilities. For example, when i'm navigating my contacts from my phone, the device tries to "read" the contacts for me using text-to-speech. I've found no way to turn this off. Furthermore I could find no option in the settings to turn off the traffic announcements from radio. The device now switches to radio when i'm listening to music from my SD card to bring me the traffic information (Which can be skipped by pressing the "back" button). Finally, the device came with a Dutch language setting and i've found no way to turn this to English, which is the language I prefer.
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For disablieng the traffic information go to tuner, select a radio station then press the menu button there you can edit if you want traffic information on or of.
text to speech, try the menu button in the app contacts you can change it there. I like that so I didn't look at it yet.
The most options regarding a app can be found in the app it self. try to look for tweaking option there.
karlv said:
Hi,
I am also considering getting an Asteroid. I have several questions:
- Is there also offline navigation available? NO, not yet at least
- Can any app from the normal market be installed? Or is there a special Parrot market? Special Parrot market, apps that are avaible can be found on the parrot site then put on usb stick and then install.
- What Android version is installed? Android 1.5
- Anyway to root it? (What ever functionality this would add?) No, maybe also later.
Greetings
karlv
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Everyone can correct me if I'm wrong
anyone already tried getting in touch with the radios file system?
I assume those usb ports only are usb hosts?
there's a new firmware out:
http://download.parrot.com/Parrot_Asteroid_soft_update/asteroid_update_fr_FR.plf
It's nearly 90 MB, so it looks as a complete android software build.
can we get this extracted? modders, come on
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there exist some plftools for other Parrot Devices. Maybe they can be used to extract useful stuff out of the Asteroid firmware files...
Links:
http://embedded-software.blogspot.c...howComment=1311293537224#c8852365956008835373
http://sites.google.com/site/repurposelinux/df3120
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part of the firmware update file:
parrotparts=nand0:256K(Pbootloader),16M(Pmain_boot),4M(Pfactory),241408K(Psystem) console=ttyPA0,115200 loglevel=8 update
maybe it is possible to divide the plf file into parts and mount them somehow? (http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=478.0)
EDIT3:
Serial output of AR Drone Update, wich also uses plf update files and is based on linux:
http://kapejod.org/download/ardrone_install.txt
Ok so I am starting to work on creating some apps with Android. Without giving away my idea I just want to describe basically what I need just to see if it even exists or I'd have to find a way to make one.
So what I need it a GPS unit that can be remote from my handset (I'll be using my Nook Color for dev in this case). Now normally you'd say, ok just use a bluetooth one, however I need its range to be far beyond what BT would provide. so I need something that would transmit signal over maybe RF to some sort of receiver that then I can hopefully connect to the USB port (or via blutotth) on the Nook or whatever other device. I need its range to be about a mile or so. Anyone know of something that exists like this?
If I were to build the device myself I would really only need it to transmit data every time the GPS unit crosses over a specific set of coordinates. This is why how it operates dictates how I will program this thing.
Any other suggestions of how to do this or ideas on if something like this even exists?
I have started reverse engineering the HCTCanBus app.
The reason was that I wanted to display the outdoor temperature in my custom launcher.
But one thing in advance that was only possible because I built my own cunBus box. The radio can only process data it receives and the original canbus boxes only have a very limited number of canBus messages integrated.
The data from the box is transferred to the Android system via the serial port "/dev/ttyV0".
What I found out was that the steering wheel buttons are not transmitted to this serial port.
But all other data with the correct format is transferred there and processed by the HCTCanBus app.
So we can use it to implement our own messages.
I also managed to send data back to the box.
The serial port is not used for this...
The original app processes data on the door contacts, air conditioning, parking sensors and TPMS.
These are at least the things I've found out so far.
In the original app is the handling of the data for the different settings in the factory settings for the canBus.
For each manufacturer there is a file that decides what the message means and how it is to be processed.
I own a Chrysler 300C and use the setting "30 CHRYSLER(Bagoo)".
I have only worked on this. Because I have no access to the data of the other manufacturers.
To read this data from the code is almost impossible with decompiled code, at least for me...
So far I only integrated the door contacts as activity.
For the other displays my car simply does not provide any data (air conditioning) or I have not yet been able to identify the correct can messages (TPMS, radar sensors)
What I have integrated, because of which I have built my own box, is a settings window where I can for example set the events when the radio is switched on or off.
I have uploaded the current state of my work to github.
Even if I am still in the middle of my work it might be interesting for some people.
I would be happy if others would join in and we could integrate the canBus message for the other manufacturers.
github.com/zebbel/MTCD-E_CanBus
Sorry but it's annoying to post stuff here when you can't even insert links...
Hey, zebbel.
You're up to a pretty good start, keep up the good work!
I've also started research in that direction, decompiled HCTCanBus.apk with apktools and started looking at smali code.
(It's pretty readable to my surprise)
But soon I came to the conclusion that there is not much we can do from only the android side.
Canbox itself translates commands it gets from UART into CAN messages using custom firmware on the box. And that is the problem - we don't have access to it.
So, to extend the functionality of "HU-CanBox-Car" system we would need to re-engineer not only CanBox hardware (I've seen some reverse-engineered schematics laying around the forum somewhere) but also it's firmware. A hell of a lot of work, if you ask me...
PS: I personally own Citroen DS5 with HU from Peugeot 508, PX6 platform 4G/64G and PA-SS canbox module. The good thing that almost everything working oob. The sad thing is my pretty "analog" dash clock are not working - That's why I start digging into this, just to find that Canbox App ignores the Time changes completely (e/g not sending to CanBox any information on Clock updates)
Hi All,
I have been doing work on this already, see my post's here, we already have the canbus apk sources.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81859661
darkspr1te
Hi, totally new on this just a questions with a new head unit 8227L and steering control. My car is a jeep compass 2008, the android unit os 9.1 XY Auto 3.3 seems to have some factory set options with can bus for many models but not for the jeep compass, I already identify the cables can high and low and imagine they need to be connected to key 1 and key 2 on the head unit but at the moment no luck with the right can bus selection, any ideas?
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Hi, totally new on this just a questions with a new head unit 8227L and steering control. My car is a jeep compass 2008, the android unit os 9.1 XY Auto 3.3 seems to have some factory set options with can bus for many models but not for the jeep compass, I already identify the cables can high and low and imagine they need to be connected to key 1 and key 2 on the head unit but at the moment no luck with the right can bus selection, any ideas?
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Is it an MTCD and is the question related to canbus reverse engineering or solving a problem with your headunit.
No, 8227L units are not MTCD/E.
(@Admins I think this is the correct forum to post this in, but please feel free to move it if I've chosen the wrong forum. I'm still figuring out exactly what category my device is in)
TL;DR - Trying to figure out if it's possible to get an external USB Bluetooth dongle working on my radio instead of the built-in one, so I can connect to all types of bluetooth devices, not just streaming audio
Hi all,
I'm searching for a possible solution that would allow me to connect my Android radio (AUTOPUMPKIN AA0495B, using a PX5, MCU CSN2_06252019_163051) to a Dual XGPS160 device. I installed this stereo in my track car for the purpose of running Harry's Lap Timer; currently the app is running perfectly, with a wired OBDLink EX in use for OBDII data and also connecting to a GoPro via WiFi to control the camera. The last piece of the puzzle is I want to get an XGPS160 connected for better GPS data capture (10Hz vs 1Hz of the radio's GPS). After hours spent trying to get it to pair and connect to the device, I emailed AUTOPUMPKIN support and they confirmed that this radio cannot connect to such devices, as the Bluetooth module in the radio is essentially a glorified bluetooth headset and can only connect for streaming audio (I haven't been able to determine the model number of the bluetooth module it uses). My hope is there is a USB Bluetooth dongle that I could plug into the radio and then have the radio use that instead, which would then allow it to connect to the XGPS160 (and any other type of bluetooth device).
When I go into the Car Settings on the radio, it has the following options available for bluetooth:
IVT i140
IVT i145
FC6000TN
GOC_BC5
KD6
KD6 is what is selected from the factory. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is this list is basically the different bluetooth hardware models the radio has driver support for? If I'm correct on that, then I'm also guessing if I were to plug in a bluetooth dongle using one of the other models and change this setting, the radio would use that instead of the built-in bluetooth? I don't use the bluetooth audio streaming or phone tethering feature, so I don't care if I lose those features if it allows me to connect the radio to the XGPS160. As long as the WiFi keeps working I'm ok with it.
Sorry if I'm asking any stupid questions; I'm a programmer by background, but even after hours of reading this forum my knowledge about the hardware in these Android radio units is still very limited. That being said, I'm not opposed to modifying config files to get this working. I have Android Developer mode enabled and I can connect to the radio via ADB; I spent some time looking at the file structure and various config files so modifying those if needed shouldn't be a problem for me.
thanks!
There was another (lengthy) thread on the subject of bluetooth dongles around here somewhere. You will have to do a search for it. If I remember correctly you had to open your head unit and physically disconnect your original bt module... and even with that there was limited success in getting the thing to actually work....and of those who claimed they did get it to work also said they couldn't get anything more to connect to the dongle than what the original BT could handle
It's too bad too. I have a sound processor on my system which uses an app through BT on my phone to make adjustments and I was HOPING it would connect to the head unit. It won't
BTW... your obdlink ex usb will also work with Torque (Pro). I use it with torque and it's blazing fast and reliable.... a lot more than a BT connection!
deja100 said:
(@Admins I think this is the correct forum to post this in, but please feel free to move it if I've chosen the wrong forum. I'm still figuring out exactly what category my device is in)
TL;DR - Trying to figure out if it's possible to get an external USB Bluetooth dongle working on my radio instead of the built-in one, so I can connect to all types of bluetooth devices, not just streaming audio
Hi all,
I'm searching for a possible solution that would allow me to connect my Android radio (AUTOPUMPKIN AA0495B, using a PX5, MCU CSN2_06252019_163051) to a Dual XGPS160 device. I installed this stereo in my track car for the purpose of running Harry's Lap Timer; currently the app is running perfectly, with a wired OBDLink EX in use for OBDII data and also connecting to a GoPro via WiFi to control the camera. The last piece of the puzzle is I want to get an XGPS160 connected for better GPS data capture (10Hz vs 1Hz of the radio's GPS). After hours spent trying to get it to pair and connect to the device, I emailed AUTOPUMPKIN support and they confirmed that this radio cannot connect to such devices, as the Bluetooth module in the radio is essentially a glorified bluetooth headset and can only connect for streaming audio (I haven't been able to determine the model number of the bluetooth module it uses). My hope is there is a USB Bluetooth dongle that I could plug into the radio and then have the radio use that instead, which would then allow it to connect to the XGPS160 (and any other type of bluetooth device).
When I go into the Car Settings on the radio, it has the following options available for bluetooth:
IVT i140
IVT i145
FC6000TN
GOC_BC5
KD6
KD6 is what is selected from the factory. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is this list is basically the different bluetooth hardware models the radio has driver support for? If I'm correct on that, then I'm also guessing if I were to plug in a bluetooth dongle using one of the other models and change this setting, the radio would use that instead of the built-in bluetooth? I don't use the bluetooth audio streaming or phone tethering feature, so I don't care if I lose those features if it allows me to connect the radio to the XGPS160. As long as the WiFi keeps working I'm ok with it.
Sorry if I'm asking any stupid questions; I'm a programmer by background, but even after hours of reading this forum my knowledge about the hardware in these Android radio units is still very limited. That being said, I'm not opposed to modifying config files to get this working. I have Android Developer mode enabled and I can connect to the radio via ADB; I spent some time looking at the file structure and various config files so modifying those if needed shouldn't be a problem for me.
thanks!
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No; it must be a specific BT type MD725 realtek device. No, you cant connect all manner of devices due to the hacked BT implementation.
Bob_Sanders said:
There was another (lengthy) thread on the subject of bluetooth dongles around here somewhere. You will have to do a search for it. If I remember correctly you had to open your head unit and physically disconnect your original bt module... and even with that there was limited success in getting the thing to actually work....and of those who claimed they did get it to work also said they couldn't get anything more to connect to the dongle than what the original BT could handle
It's too bad too. I have a sound processor on my system which uses an app through BT on my phone to make adjustments and I was HOPING it would connect to the head unit. It won't
BTW... your obdlink ex usb will also work with Torque (Pro). I use it with torque and it's blazing fast and reliable.... a lot more than a BT connection!
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Yeh I found that threat in my searches, but no one in there quite mentioned this specific scenario (Selecting one of the other options in the Bluetooth settings) so I wasn't sure. And I'm definitely not opening up the unit and cutting on the hardware; hacking config files I can do all day long, but I have no skills when it comes to soldering so I'd probably just destroy the radio in the process of trying to cut that module :laugh:
Yeh I've run the OBDLink EX with Torque as well for data logging temps on track and it worked flawlessly for that as well. BT is definitely more convenient, especially since most are running apps from their phones, but if you have a dedicated radio like these then it's a no-brainer to permanently wire up a USB device.
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No; it must be a specific BT type MD725 realtek device. No, you cant connect all manner of devices due to the hacked BT implementation.
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When you say "hacked BT implementation" I'm assuming you mean they don't use the standard Bluetooth stack built into the Android OS? That would make sense, as when I try to do anything with bluetooth from the standard Bluetooth settings menu, it doesn't do anything, doesn't see any devices available for pairing, or anything else. You can only see other devices and pair to them from the PUMPKIN Bluetooth app; the funny thing is it will go through the first steps and show the XGPS160 as being paired, but none of the apps that use the GPS actually see it as a paired device (my OBD dongle shows up, but not the GPS).
I don't understand why they didn't just use standard bluetooth that's already part of the OS, rather than use some hacky custom solution
Quick update since the last post. Spent some time tonight on google looking up the information I could find on those other bluetooth modules in the list of options on my stereo. Based on technical manuals and FCC documents, it appears the FC6000TN and BC5 are audio-only bluetooth chips that only support A2DP profile (basically the same as what I have now with the KD6); Now the IVT i140 and IVT i145 on the other hand appear to be full fledged bluetooth chips, and do support the SPP (Serial Port Protocol) that is needed by the XGPS160 (and many other bluetooth profiles) so in theory that would work. Unfortunately after searching for both of those, all I can find are ones in bare module form (i145 and i140) that would have to be soldered onto the board (assuming the pins are even compatible) and there are no USB versions of them that I could just plug in to my radio's free USB-A slot. The only thing even remotely close that comes up in Google in USB form is this adapter and I'm pretty sure it's not based on the i140 or i145.
Given that my soldering skills are non-existent, it seems I'm pretty much out of luck on getting this to work. Disappointing for sure, as I would gladly have paid more $ for the unit to come with a fully functional bluetooth module instead of this hacked audio only junk they put in it :/
deja100 said:
Quick update since the last post. Spent some time tonight on google looking up the information I could find on those other bluetooth modules in the list of options on my stereo. Based on technical manuals and FCC documents, it appears the FC6000TN and BC5 are audio-only bluetooth chips that only support A2DP profile (basically the same as what I have now with the KD6); Now the IVT i140 and IVT i145 on the other hand appear to be full fledged bluetooth chips, and do support the SPP (Serial Port Protocol) that is needed by the XGPS160 (and many other bluetooth profiles) so in theory that would work. Unfortunately after searching for both of those, all I can find are ones in bare module form (i145 and i140) that would have to be soldered onto the board (assuming the pins are even compatible) and there are no USB versions of them that I could just plug in to my radio's free USB-A slot. The only thing even remotely close that comes up in Google in USB form is this adapter and I'm pretty sure it's not based on the i140 or i145.
Given that my soldering skills are non-existent, it seems I'm pretty much out of luck on getting this to work. Disappointing for sure, as I would gladly have paid more $ for the unit to come with a fully functional bluetooth module instead of this hacked audio only junk they put in it :/
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Unfortunately, It wouldn't matter which BT you use from the supported BT types, BT implementation is non-standard to do stuff like act as a BT hands-free.
marchnz said:
Unfortunately, It wouldn't matter which BT you use from the supported BT types, BT implementation is non-standard to do stuff like act as a BT hands-free.
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Yeh, that's extremely disappointing Does anyone know of any Android based radio units that have full working bluetooth? I don't mind buying a new unit for the car if I know it will work with everything.
The old intel sofia units (mtcd as well) had the bluetooth & wifi ibtegrated into the soc...and they had a standard (or at least more profiles) implemented
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ikerg said:
The old intel sofia units (mtcd as well) had the bluetooth & wifi ibtegrated into the soc...and they had a standard (or at least more profiles) implemented
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Bummer they don't make those units anymore :/ Then again, they may not have been powerful enough to run my track timer apps anyway.