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I'm in the market for a new device as my contract is up and I my Dinc isn't doing it for me anymore, even with ICS installed. I want to know what some of you guys with experience with both of the phones think I should do. The main improvements that I want out of my next smartphone are in order:
1 - Display - mainly size
2 - Microhphone - I'm a songwriter and record song ideas to my phone all the time. the Dinc's mic is awful and distorted at anything louder than a speaking voice.
3 - Battery - I realize that with batteries not getting much bigger and LTE coming on board that this may be a pipe dream ... but I'd like to get an 8AM to midnight day out of my next phone.
4 - On board speaker - I miss calls regularly on my Dinc because it isn't loud enough and I've had to replace the speaker once already.
Here are my winners of the two after handling them in the store:
1 - Display - LG
2 - Microphone - LG by long shot (noise cancellation) - Rezound's is just as bad as my Dinc's
3 - Battery - have no clue. anyone have any insight for me? I am crazy to think getting a full day out of either of these phones is possible? I don't know if the screen/mic/data speed upgrade would even be worth it if I'm going to be tethered to the wall every 6 hours.
4 - Speaker Volume - LG
Here are a couple things I'm unsure about that I've loved about my Dinc. Any insight would be appreciated.
DEV Support - Rezound wins this by long shot, but the Spectrum is brand new, so there's no real telling what the Dev community will look like. What are the chances the Spectrum gets CM9?
WIFI Tether - I assume LG is rootable, since most LGs have unlocked bootloader & NitroHD has been rooted. Am I wrong to assume it will be rooted or does anyone know if it's happened yet?
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LG also had random issue of GPS not connecting while in verizon store. That could be seriously annoying.
Rezound's camera also kills LG's but I never take pictures, so it doesn't matter to me. The Mic superiority would make it easy for me to make this trade-off.
Here's a video review by wirefly that confirms most of my observations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMVfhLIc48
I too have an AMOLED DInc and am considering using my upgrade. I was looking at Verizon's latest crop of HD LTE phones, including the Galaxy Nexus, RAZR (qHD is not True HD), Rezound, and Spectrum. Out of all of them I personally prefer the Spectrum; I prefer its display (IPS RGB LCD beats PenTile SAMOLED or SLCD IMO), and there's something about the phone I just like despite being able to put my finger on it.
That being said, will I use my upgrade for it? NO.
Why? Phones using Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4 SoC will be coming out soon, like 2Q. The chipset is 28nm, which will offer better performance while using less power, and includes one radio chip that covers all standards and thus will will use less power itself.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture/1
I really want the Spectrum and keep finding myself drawn to it for the reasons you outlined. And the Spectrum will be able to do the few things that my DInc can't, like HDMI out via MHL over microUSB.
If I can hold out until May or June, I should be able to get an even better phone. And I won't mind paying $300 for a phone that I will keep for almost two years, versus a $200 phone I will want to replace before the end of the year. Yeah, I know waiting always will get me better hardware. But why use my upgrade so few months before a new generation of chips come out?
Look at it this way: would someone who bought a DROID Bionic have pulled the trigger knowing that the RAZR was right around the corner? What about those people who recently got a DROID 3 only to find out the DROID 4 is coming soon?
I'm pretty sure a new phone in June will be able to go at least a year before an incremental increase in performance hits the market, and even then it won't be a big enough increase to justify replacing your phone. While the jump from Snapdragon S1 to S3 is huge, a few months later the jump from S1 to S4 will be even bigger and will come with less of a battery-usage penalty.
I think if you're definitely going to get a new phone, get the Spectrum. Root it, debloat it, and run a different launcher (I tried LauncherPro on it in the store and it worked fine). But if you can wait, just hold on a bit longer...
p.s. I wouldn't worry too much about GPS connectivity INSIDE OF A BUILDING. ;-)
Thanks for talking me off the ledge. It seems like neither phone is worth it with the battery gains that are on the horizon. I tried to do the same for a friend who got the bionic and he regrets not listening.
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I'm in the market for a new device as my contract is up and I my Dinc isn't doing it for me anymore, even with ICS installed. I want to know what some of you guys with experience with both of the phones think I should do. The main improvements that I want out of my next smartphone are in order:
1 - Display - mainly size
2 - Microhphone - I'm a songwriter and record song ideas to my phone all the time. the Dinc's mic is awful and distorted at anything louder than a speaking voice.
3 - Battery - I realize that with batteries not getting much bigger and LTE coming on board that this may be a pipe dream ... but I'd like to get an 8AM to midnight day out of my next phone.
4 - On board speaker - I miss calls regularly on my Dinc because it isn't loud enough and I've had to replace the speaker once already.
Here are my winners of the two after handling them in the store:
1 - Display - LG
2 - Microphone - LG by long shot (noise cancellation) - Rezound's is just as bad as my Dinc's
3 - Battery - have no clue. anyone have any insight for me? I am crazy to think getting a full day out of either of these phones is possible? I don't know if the screen/mic/data speed upgrade would even be worth it if I'm going to be tethered to the wall every 6 hours.
4 - Speaker Volume - LG
Here are a couple things I'm unsure about that I've loved about my Dinc. Any insight would be appreciated.
DEV Support - Rezound wins this by long shot, but the Spectrum is brand new, so there's no real telling what the Dev community will look like. What are the chances the Spectrum gets CM9?
WIFI Tether - I assume LG is rootable, since most LGs have unlocked bootloader & NitroHD has been rooted. Am I wrong to assume it will be rooted or does anyone know if it's happened yet?
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LG also had random issue of GPS not connecting while in verizon store. That could be seriously annoying.
Rezound's camera also kills LG's but I never take pictures, so it doesn't matter to me. The Mic superiority would make it easy for me to make this trade-off.
Here's a video review by wirefly that confirms most of my observations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMVfhLIc48
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I get 15 hours or so on average with medium usage. The battery life for the LG is good, but it really depends what you're doing.
As for the GPS, this is the best GPS I've used in a smartphone BY FAR.
Is the Rezound camera that much better? The LG camera is pretty good too, especially the 1080p recording.
And yes, I tested the noise cancellation and recording quality myself. I'd have to say that it's nothing short of fantastic.
vantagejuan said:
Thanks for talking me off the ledge. It seems like neither phone is worth it with the battery gains that are on the horizon. I tried to do the same for a friend who got the bionic and he regrets not listening.
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HI, could you elaborate on these battery gains on the horizon you mention?
It's my understanding the upcoming quadcore phones can't manage batteries any better and as far as my research goes, the only new battery tech on the horizon is lithium-air technology.
OP: I'm talking myself off the ledge too.
I REALLY want the LG Spectrum, and I need to keep reminding myself why I should wait. I think I'll read that link quite a few times before I upgrade to an S4 Krait processor.
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HI, could you elaborate on these battery gains on the horizon you mention?
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ICS + s4 + trending towards bigger batteries (razr maxx)= my feeling that we'll have a device that can surf 4g all day before too long
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liteon163 said:
OP: I'm talking myself off the ledge too.
I REALLY want the LG Spectrum, and I need to keep reminding myself why I should wait. I think I'll read that link quite a few times before I upgrade to an S4 Krait processor.
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If either of us gets the spectrum, the one that does owes the other an extended battery. Deal?
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DEAL! :-D
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ICS + s4 + trending towards bigger batteries (razr maxx)= my feeling that we'll have a device that can surf 4g all day before too long
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I will be the one to break it to you- This is not a forward movement in tech, fact is, there's no real data to back this up.
putting a bigger gas tank on a sports car is not a tech advancement. any device can connect with brick of a battery. that's not anything new. quad core will use the same battery technology that we all have access to.
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I will be the one to break it to you- This is not a forward movement in tech, fact is, there's no real data to back this up.
putting a bigger gas tank on a sports car is not a tech advancement. any device can connect with brick of a battery. that's not anything new. quad core will use the same battery technology that we all have access to.
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I mentioned nothing about quad core. Qualcomm's s4 chips will have 28nm size and a tightly integrated radio that will use battery power much more efficiently.
I will be avoiding the exact scenario that you're describing with the new quad core phones that will be gobbled up by the masses just because they have quad in their name. Google it or click the link provided by liteon163 above.
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I mentioned nothing about quad core. Qualcomm's s4 chips will have 28nm size and a tightly integrated radio that will use battery power much more efficiently.
I will be avoiding the exact scenario that you're describing with the new quad core phones that will be gobbled up by the masses just because they have quad in their name. Google it or click the link provided by liteon163 above.
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Thank you for expanding, sorry I lumped quad core into your comment/view.
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Thank you for expanding, sorry I lumped quad core into your comment/view.
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You're welcome. No problem. I can understand the confusion between s4 and quad core.
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You're welcome. No problem. I can understand the confusion between s4 and quad core.
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also I think I am just frustrated at the lack of battery development overall & it especially hits a nerve with these devices.
Ok so my question is this...
The HTC One X ( Evo 4G LTE ) will be coming with a 1.5 dual core processor... yet I hope that the SGS3 will come with a Quad Core processor... am I missing something here? Why is the One X being shipped with the same power as our current SGS2? Or can someone educate me on this? Is the One X really more powerful or is it that the U.S. carriers cant afford to sell a quad core phone for $199?
SGS3 is going to have the quadcore 1.5ghz Exerynos (spelling?) processor, apparently that's almost certain. Samsung has a even processor already built ready go that's even better, 2ghz dual-core, but they're saving that for the generation after.
And E4GT has a 1.2ghz processor? How are they the same?
Anyways the main features for the new phone are the HD display and stock ICS and LTE especially.
the architecture is different with transistors and things much closer together on these newer chipsets. just cause its the same clock speed doesnt mean its not better.
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the architecture is different with transistors and things much closer together on these newer chipsets. just cause its the same clock speed doesnt mean its not better.
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Ok so this is what my question was, because they are both dual core phones... that doesn't mean that the ET4G has the same power right?
So how important is this when choosing a new phone in 2012? I am asking because I am looking at the Galaxy Nexus or the Evo 4G LTE.... But from my experience the processor is what makes the phones faster when playing games or loading movies.
The chip in the new evo is the s4 dual core from qualcom. Otherwise known as krait. This chip gives the tegra 3 a run for its money
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The chip on the EVO is better but remember that Sense isnt a light skin to carry. The Nexus runs AOSP android and doesnt need much power to run it. In real life theyre both just as smooth as each other.
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The chip in the new evo is the s4 dual core from qualcom. Otherwise known as krait. This chip gives the tegra 3 a run for its money
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So would it be a BIG upgrade if I went with the Evo? Coming from the ET4G?
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well its not a massive upgrade but it is a deffinate upgrade.
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well its not a massive upgrade but it is a deffinate upgrade.
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I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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Battery life.
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I thought it was coming with a qualacom processor because the tegra 3 didn't support lte
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Battery life.
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Great thanks for the feedback guys!!
they need to reinvent the cell phone battery in order to give these new processors the power they need. sure they are more energy efficient but i bet they still gunna drain pretty damn quickly. i would love to have a slim battery that lasts all day. these bulky extended batterys make our phones look like ****
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I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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LTE capabalities. The Exybos chip will be the first quad core that is LTE enabled.
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Actually, in theory, a good quad core should win out in terms of battery liFe. More cores at lower frequencies.
As long as software is developed to properly utilize the hardware of course.
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People buy based on specs. If tegra3 had onboard lte, then HTC would use it without a doubt, even if the s4 is faster and lighter on the battery.
I agree though, I would rather have a dual core processor on my phone. Especially if that means they (manufacturers) will spend more money on a better radio chip set and antenna design.
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ShinigamiH4ck3r said:
they need to reinvent the cell phone battery in order to give these new processors the power they need. sure they are more energy efficient but i bet they still gunna drain pretty damn quickly. i would love to have a slim battery that lasts all day. these bulky extended batterys make our phones look like ****
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they could always make the phone a few millimeters thicker and make the battery cover the whole back, or even be the back.. but still have it removable, like my gfs phone the back is the battery, that would make it much larger still be just as slim and Ave like 3x more battery.. this phones pretty thin, if they made it as thick as the droid x or x2 then it would probably have the life of the maxx
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Jess813 said:
I just know that once I buy the Evo abd the SGS3 comes out I will mad at myself, and I know that's technology but it still makes me wonder as to why HTC went with dual core instead of quad core.
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/\/\/\ what he said... but to add to that, I've seen in a few threads people mention that the quad core chips don't play nice with the lte chips. Don't hold me to that, just relaying info
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coiledwire said:
People buy based on specs. If tegra3 had onboard lte, then HTC would use it without a doubt, even if the s4 is faster and lighter on the battery.
I agree though, I would rather have a dual core processor on my phone. Especially if that means they (manufacturers) will spend more money on a better radio chip set and antenna design.
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I ment that dual core is potentially faster for android . The misconception I try to address is a cpu core exist more or less as a fpu unit, integer unit, cache space and usually other units that function as extensions like sse used to. Just because you have more doesn't mean they are more powerful.... quite the contrary usually out means lower transistor counts per core. What I understood Samsung had touched on is to simplify chip construction just adding say 40% more transistor to a very similar design they just update with newer memory, gpu, radio,etc to address power further smaller construction process like 28Nm I think and more clock states and voltage starts especially to regulate the gpu and memory...... serious weak point in our chipset/ software
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Does htc one x has better support for cyanogenmod roms? Since i am a galaxy s3 user had a best deal here to get shifted to one x.. .Please let me know guys...does it has good development support than s3 has???
And cynogenmod team is going to leave exynos based development... Thats why i am planning to shift....
Am i doing right thing....any helping replys will be appreciated...
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There are quite a bit of cm10 based and aokp roms. They do get updated frequently but still a little bit buggy.
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Not sure if you should trade in.
The tegra 3 is really starting to get out-dated IMO. In the end it is your decision. So yeah.
Personally i wouldn't do it.
Not sure if it's a "helping" reply but why don't you consider Nexus4 if you want stock Android experience? You'll get the fastest updates and none of the inevitable bugs from porting stock Android to a device that wasn't supposed to have it. Also Google would not abandon it sometime in the future like CM are doing with Exynos devices (if it's true).
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Aren't cm leaving exynos devices due to no source being released?
I may be way off here.
You should use both phones then make a decision. I totally get that some prefer aosp on certain hardware.
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tkolev said:
Not sure if it's a "helping" reply but why don't you consider Nexus4 if you want stock Android experience? You'll get the fastest updates and none of the inevitable bugs from porting stock Android to a device that wasn't supposed to have it. Also Google would not abandon it sometime in the future like CM are doing with Exynos devices (if it's true).
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Word. My htc one x screen broke and they told me repair costs 283 euros. Told them to shove it up their ass. 16 euros more and i have a nexus 4. So you should really go for a Nexus 4 if you like CM.
The only problem i have here is the fact that in austria we have no google play store. But hopefully this person i met from germany is trust worthy enough and will send me a nexus 4 once it's out.
Thank u very much guys...i'll skip of buying one x and wait for nexus 4...but here in india we cant buy them through playstore... Lg is going to sell almost double of price here thats what i am fearing about to buy
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Personally, I think the One X is better than the Nexus 4. Early benchmarks show that the Nexus has a severely underclocked GPU, and easily overheats, getting throttled even more. The One X also has a better screen IMO.
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gnan10 said:
Thank u very much guys...i'll skip of buying one x and wait for nexus 4...but here in india we cant buy them through playstore... Lg is going to sell almost double of price here thats what i am fearing about to buy
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I wanted to move to nexus 4, rumours say it will be priced at 34-35k here in India, so my plans for upgrade are cancelled atm
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kryptoner said:
I wanted to move to nexus 4, rumours say it will be priced at 34-35k here in India, so my plans for upgrade are cancelled atm
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34-35 K? I doubt it You should be able to import it at a lesser price than that.
XxVcVxX said:
Personally, I think the One X is better than the Nexus 4. Early benchmarks show that the Nexus has a severely underclocked GPU, and easily overheats, getting throttled even more. The One X also has a better screen IMO.
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Yeah... You said it.. early benchmarks.
We've seen how the HoX did before and after certain benchmarks. So there's no reason not to believe that it won't be the same in nexus 4's case.
Then you have multiple pros for the Nexus 4:
Bigger battery (2100 mAh) is nothing remarkable. However, 28nm is more power efficient which would mean we should definitely be experiencing a better battery life in the Nexus 4 than on the One X. Even if stand by times won't be as good, the battery life with screen on is going to be better. (see galaxy s3).
For people that want their phone for regular day to day usage, s4 chip is supposed to be better and faster. (EVEN in gaming it's going to stump the Tegra3)
Google getting hands on quad core - that must actually mean that they will actually do their best to optimize their phone to run quad-core. And since it is google we are talking about i can imagine them doing a great job.
First to get updates (reason enough to go for the Nexus 4 over the one x)
IPS screen (supposed to be among the best)
Really. What more can i say. There's one thing i don't doubt, and that's the fact that the tegra 4 is going to be better battery wise and faster. However, i don't feel like waiting for a tegra 4 device and to top it off, you actually need a manufacturer that makes the best out of it. For people who are not into gaming, they probably won't notice much of a difference. At the pace that google is improving their OS i just can't make up for excuses to stay with other manufacturers.
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Yeah... You said it.. early benchmarks.
We've seen how the HoX did before and after certain benchmarks. So there's no reason not to believe that it won't be the same in nexus 4's case.
Then you have multiple pros for the Nexus 4:
Bigger battery (2100 mAh) is nothing remarkable. However, 28nm is more power efficient which would mean we should definitely be experiencing a better battery life in the Nexus 4 than on the One X. Even if stand by times won't be as good, the battery life with screen on is going to be better. (see galaxy s3).
For people that want their phone for regular day to day usage, s4 chip is supposed to be better and faster. (EVEN in gaming it's going to stump the Tegra3)
Google getting hands on quad core - that must actually mean that they will actually do their best to optimize their phone to run quad-core. And since it is google we are talking about i can imagine them doing a great job.
First to get updates (reason enough to go for the Nexus 4 over the one x)
IPS screen (supposed to be among the best)
Really. What more can i say. There's one thing i don't doubt, and that's the fact that the tegra 4 is going to be better battery wise and faster. However, i don't feel like waiting for a tegra 4 device and to top it off, you actually need a manufacturer that makes the best out of it. For people who are not into gaming, they probably won't notice much of a difference. At the pace that google is improving their OS i just can't make up for excuses to stay with other manufacturers.
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Well, technically the S4 pro does stump the Tegra 3 in gaming, but Tegra 3 has more optimized games in Play Store so therefore Tegra wins. The SLCD2 is also better than the IPS in some reviews, and the underclocked GPU is also very apparent is some benchmarks.
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Yeah... You said it.. early benchmarks.
We've seen how the HoX did before and after certain benchmarks. So there's no reason not to believe that it won't be the same in nexus 4's case.
Then you have multiple pros for the Nexus 4:
Bigger battery (2100 mAh) is nothing remarkable. However, 28nm is more power efficient which would mean we should definitely be experiencing a better battery life in the Nexus 4 than on the One X. Even if stand by times won't be as good, the battery life with screen on is going to be better. (see galaxy s3).
For people that want their phone for regular day to day usage, s4 chip is supposed to be better and faster. (EVEN in gaming it's going to stump the Tegra3)
Google getting hands on quad core - that must actually mean that they will actually do their best to optimize their phone to run quad-core. And since it is google we are talking about i can imagine them doing a great job.
First to get updates (reason enough to go for the Nexus 4 over the one x)
IPS screen (supposed to be among the best)
Really. What more can i say. There's one thing i don't doubt, and that's the fact that the tegra 4 is going to be better battery wise and faster. However, i don't feel like waiting for a tegra 4 device and to top it off, you actually need a manufacturer that makes the best out of it. For people who are not into gaming, they probably won't notice much of a difference. At the pace that google is improving their OS i just can't make up for excuses to stay with other manufacturers.
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One major flaw though, only 8GB or 16GB internal memory and no expansion slot.
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I had the S7E and frankly the headphone audio was terrible. I've since moved to the HTC 10 and the audio is excellent.
Now I'm not expecting HTC level audio, but something better then the s7e would be nice. Even just better software processing.
Has anybody compared any of these devices from an audio standpoint?
Since it's the same hardware as the S7 I'd expect the same sub-par sound quality unfortunately. The US version keeps getting the shaft in this regard.
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I'm curious to find this out as well...
I had the S7 Edge and it wasn't bad just not as good as the HTC 10 - audio on the HTC was a standout feature.
I wish Samsung would put more effort in this area - in their defense though, they have been known to include some nice Wolfson DAC's in past Galaxy phones like the Note 5. I think it varies depending on which model you purchase (Exynos/Qualcomm).
Apple is rumored to improve audio on the iPhone 7 since they remove the headphone jack, so let's see if Samsung responds and gives more attention to it on the S8 and beyond.
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I'm curious to find this out as well...
I had the S7 Edge and it wasn't bad just not as good as the HTC 10 - audio on the HTC was a standout feature.
I wish Samsung would put more effort in this area - in their defense though, they have been known to include some nice Wolfson DAC's in past Galaxy phones like the Note 5. I think it varies depending on which model you purchase (Exynos/Qualcomm).
Apple is rumored to improve audio on the iPhone 7 since they remove the headphone jack, so let's see if Samsung responds and gives more attention to it on the S8 and beyond.
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I guess even being able to use a USB DAC would be nice too.
busab said:
Since it's the same hardware as the S7 I'd expect the same sub-par sound quality unfortunately. The US version keeps getting the shaft in this regard.
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I had the Exynos S7E & that was pants in the audio dpt both headphone & speaker. It's not a good start for the N7 - $h it audio,,,,
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I had the Exynos S7E & that was pants in the audio dpt both headphone & speaker. It's not a good start for the N7 - $h it audio,,,,
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I keep waiting on Samsung to up their audio game but every year I'm disappointed. Audio doesn't even seem like an afterthought.
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Plus now since there is no Root most likely we can't even use viper4android
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This is why I'm thinking of getting a Note 4 C to go with my Note 5, cause that was brilliant with audio having a wolfson dac.
How does the S7 compare to the Note 4, S4 or S5 in audio quality? You guys have me nervous about my pre-order since I use headphones so much. I don't have anything super fancy, just some Shure SE215's
I use a Cyrus/Usher home audio system plus Grado and Sennheiser cans for headphone listening.
It depends if you call booming bass and searing highs 'good quality' audio?
If you care about music reproduction the Exynos version is actually very good. - Wolfson co-developed Lucky DAC.
I also have a Audio quest Dragonfly Black external DAC and although I use it if I listen critically the difference is not night and day.
If you're unlucky enough to have the Snapdragon version (for several reasons) you won't enjoy your audio as much. It uses the integrated chip.
Headphone amplifier power is limited in both versions. It goes plenty loud (for many unfortunately the decisive factor as to 'good sound') but it won't please head bangers.
If you value your hearing you probably won't want to go there.
The included head buds are useless by the way. I'd bin them asap.
(S7E Exynos user)
drummerman said:
I use a Cyrus/Usher home audio system plus Grado and Sennheiser cans for headphone listening.
It depends if you call booming bass and searing highs 'good quality' audio?
If you care about music reproduction the Exynos version is actually very good. - Wolfson co-developed Lucky DAC.
I also have a Audio quest Dragonfly Black external DAC and although I use it if I listen critically the difference is not night and day.
If you're unlucky enough to have the Snapdragon version (for several reasons) you won't enjoy your audio as much. It uses the integrated chip.
Headphone amplifier power is limited in both versions. It goes plenty loud (for many unfortunately the decisive factor as to 'good sound') but it won't please head bangers.
If you value your hearing you probably won't want to go there.
The included head buds are useless by the way. I'd bin them asap.
(S7E Exynos user)
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But the thing is the S7E Exynos isn't very good with headphone audio, that's the whole problem.
naruto.ninjakid said:
Plus now since there is no Root most likely we can't even use viper4android
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Note 4 N910C was totally fine [at least for my non-professional view] w/o Viper. I didn't want to root for 6 months or so in order not to null my warranty. Right now it's even better w Viper. I wish someone can review and make side-by-side comparison for Note 7 (I guess Exynos version) and Exynos Note 4 in terms of SQ!
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But the thing is the S7E Exynos isn't very good with headphone audio, that's the whole problem.
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The Note 7 has Qualcomm's new Aqstic codec, and the S7E does not. This is the same one used in the HTC M10. That should help some, although the amp may be the weak link in the chain at this point.
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...m-powers-next-generation-samsung-galaxy-note7
(in first paragraph)
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PsiPhiDan said:
The Note 7 has Qualcomm's new Aqstic codec, and the S7E does not. This is the same one used in the HTC M10. That should help some, although the amp may be the weak link in the chain at this point.
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Is that for EU version or the US?
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Is that for EU version or the US?
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Qualcomm is the company that makes the Snapdragon chip, so it's got to be the US version.
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Qualcomm is the company that makes the Snapdragon chip, so it's got to be the US version.
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That's what I thought.
I'm talking about the Exynos version. Same as the S7E.
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That's what I thought.
I'm talking about the Exynos version. Same as the S7E.
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... which uses a Wolfson derived DAC. Likely better than Qualcomms solution, code notwithstanding.
Ultimate limitation is the DAC/amplifier chip ... ie. hardware.
Either way, you would be better off using an outboard DAC as mentioned previously or something like a high resolution player from Fiio if you want the last ounce of performance.
No phone will come close to a well implemented and dedicated player.
Forget about Viper and other similar players. Pretty lights that's it. It will do absolutely nothing for your audio other than adding some fancy looking equalizers. Use either Samsungs own player or the one from Google. Black player is another good one and simple.
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... which uses a Wolfson derived DAC. Likely better than Qualcomms solution, code notwithstanding.
Ultimate limitation is the DAC/amplifier chip ... ie. hardware.
Either way, you would be better off using an outboard DAC as mentioned previously or something like a high resolution player from Fiio if you want the last ounce of performance.
No phone will come close to a well implemented and dedicated player.
Forget about Viper and other similar players. Pretty lights that's it. It will do absolutely nothing for your audio other than adding some fancy looking equalizers. Use either Samsungs own player or the one from Google. Black player is another good one and simple.
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Well maybe they have improved the DAC/amplifier chip for the Note 7.
It's annoying that a definite answer cannot be found on the net somewhere.
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Well maybe they have improved the DAC/amplifier chip for the Note 7.
It's annoying that a definite answer cannot be found on the net somewhere.
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I'm monitoring http://www.head-fi.org/ time to time. I guess sooner or later some reviews of Note 7's SQ will appear!
I'm on the verge of picking up a new phone. I originally wanted the Note 7, but waited and then heard about the LG V20 with its Quad Dac. I'm still holding out hope that the Pixel XL has some really nice audio out capabilities (at least better than my Xperia Z3v or Galaxy Note 3). I prefer the quicker updates the Pixel will get, but still. My main use right now would be the 128gb model as I use my phone everyday for listening to music (as well as typical phone stuff). I refuse to carry a DAP and a phone. So basically, what do you guys think? I haven't seen anything discussing the audio capabilities.
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I'm on the verge of picking up a new phone. I originally wanted the Note 7, but waited and then heard about the LG V20 with its Quad Dac. I'm still holding out hope that the Pixel XL has some really nice audio out capabilities (at least better than my Xperia Z3v or Galaxy Note 3). I prefer the quicker updates the Pixel will get, but still. My main use right now would be the 128gb model as I use my phone everyday for listening to music (as well as typical phone stuff). I refuse to carry a DAP and a phone. So basically, what do you guys think? I haven't seen anything discussing the audio capabilities.
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I have heard anything in particular with respect to audio quality either.....but if your looking for headphone quality I doubt it will get better than lg v20....if you looking for speakerphone quality then you may as well save some money and get the 6p with the dual front facing speakers and still get pure Google experience and updates.
Either wait for the V20 ( slow updates, hard to root, no development...I have a v10)
Or get the Pixel and a outboard DAC/like a Opportunity HA2.
The 6P with the dual front speakers is obviously the better option for video without headphones.
The best all around solution is 6p and use viper4android to get the quality audio experience you seek plus ffs plus current Android updates
Well, I was looking for a device that had a decent DAC built in. I'm not sure what the Snapdragon 821 brings to the table. I do not subscribe to using software/DSP/EQ to make the audio sound good. I use nice headphones to listen to my music so I don't want to muck it up with software that "fakes" the sound. I don't want to add external devices (such as my Cambridge DacMagic XS or Oppo HA-2) as I'm trying to trim down to a single device.
The best sound by far will be the Htc with viper4android as it rocks I doubt you will find any smartphone that has as good of audio as the Htc 10 with viper4android.
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The best sound by far will be the Htc with viper4android as it rocks I doubt you will find any smartphone that has as good of audio as the Htc 10 with viper4android.
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I was thinking about the HTC 10, but Viper4Android is something I wouldn't use. It seems to just be an EQ. I don't use EQ nor do I have any interest whatsoever in doing so. It doesn't increase the quality of the audio coming out of the device.
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Well, I was looking for a device that had a decent DAC built in. I'm not sure what the Snapdragon 821 brings to the table. I do not subscribe to using software/DSP/EQ to make the audio sound good. I use nice headphones to listen to my music so I don't want to muck it up with software that "fakes" the sound. I don't want to add external devices (such as my Cambridge DacMagic XS or Oppo HA-2) as I'm trying to trim down to a single device.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I used a HTC m8 and purchased a Nexus 6p for pure android. The Nexus DAC was terrible so I traveled with both phones. Last month i sold my 6p in anticipation of the event because of HTCs history with audio. I'm regretting that now: I'm sure if the Pixel had a dedicated DAC Google would have played it up during the event.
I'm currently researching a phone to replace my m8: It seems like best are the LG G5, v10 upcoming v20, Axon 7, and of course HTC10. The HTC10 will probably be my next phone: it sucks because it seems like you always have to compromise something.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I used a HTC m8 and purchased a Nexus 6p for pure android. The Nexus DAC was terrible so I traveled with both phones. Last month i sold my 6p in anticipation of the event because of HTCs history with audio. I'm regretting that now: I'm sure if the Pixel had a dedicated DAC Google would have played it up during the event.
I'm currently researching a phone to replace my m8: It seems like best are the LG G5, v10 upcoming v20, Axon 7, and of course HTC10. The HTC10 will probably be my next phone: it sucks because it seems like you always have to compromise something.
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Agreed! To be honest, I find the Xperia Z3v merely acceptable. It is a little better sounding than my Galaxy Note 3 was. I'm not even looking for something "powerful" as I have 25-32ohm headphones. Though they are quite resolving and I enjoy using them around the house and when I go out in general. If in the end, the Pixel doesn't have good sound (ie... needs to be at least 24/192), and the V20 isn't going to work for me. I'll just keep using my external DACs.
Nexus6p or V20 would work for now...
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Well, I was looking for a device that had a decent DAC built in. I'm not sure what the Snapdragon 821 brings to the table. I do not subscribe to using software/DSP/EQ to make the audio sound good. I use nice headphones to listen to my music so I don't want to muck it up with software that "fakes" the sound. I don't want to add external devices (such as my Cambridge DacMagic XS or Oppo HA-2) as I'm trying to trim down to a single device.
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This is the same reason I am still using Nexus 6 as my daily driver, i tried many phones (Note 4, N6P, Note 5, S7 Edge, Note 7 SD820 version etc..) in the last 2 years and no phone has better audio quality thru audio jack than N6. HTC 10 has some what better audio quality but I don't want to downgrade screen size below 5.5".
It infuriates me whenever people suggest Viper/Arise etc.. to make up for the poor DAC in the phone.
Hoping pixel phone has decent DAC.
I'm going to get the V20 due to the audio quality of the Note 7 (and I'm guessing it's not great on the Pixel either). Quad DAC is going to be amazing.
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I was thinking about the HTC 10, but Viper4Android is something I wouldn't use. It seems to just be an EQ. I don't use EQ nor do I have any interest whatsoever in doing so. It doesn't increase the quality of the audio coming out of the device.
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If people stopped having such solid opinions on things, they'd be pleasantly surprised by what they find. At least, try using viper4android. You have no idea the difference it can make.
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I'm going to get the V20 due to the audio quality of the Note 7 (and I'm guessing it's not great on the Pixel either). Quad DAC is going to be amazing.
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If people stopped having such solid opinions on things, they'd be pleasantly surprised by what they find. At least, try using viper4android. You have no idea the difference it can make.
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What he said..... you should try V4A....you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Funny how people criticize a phone for not having front facing speakers, but the HTC 10 doesn't have them and it is one of the best sounding phones out there right now... and yes, I have a 6P as well. I encourage everyone to save their judgement for when we actually get to hear it or someone gives a review on it.
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It infuriates me whenever people suggest Viper/Arise etc.. to make up for the poor DAC in the phone.
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So True!
PsiPhiDan said:
I'm going to get the V20 due to the audio quality of the Note 7 (and I'm guessing it's not great on the Pixel either). Quad DAC is going to be amazing.
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I'm very much leaning that way myself.
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If people stopped having such solid opinions on things, they'd be pleasantly surprised by what they find. At least, try using viper4android. You have no idea the difference it can make.
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What he said..... you should try V4A....you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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As for the others who continue to suggest V4A or other software EQ/DSP... enlighten me on how painting a smiley face on a turd of a DAC makes it sound better? It doesn't... it simply alters the sound. I have multiple headphones that I use for different genres of music. THAT is what I use to alter the sound that I'm looking for. EQ and DSP are only meant to cover up the shortcomings of the headphones native sound signature. How would I know if I'm making things worse by polishing a Turd of a DAC by warping the sound signature? If I wanted to make things more "bassy" or "echoey" or whatever you want. I'd just pick up a pair of Beats headphones and call it a day. I'm sure it is a fantastic piece of software, again... it is completely opposite of what I'm looking for. Though, thank you for letting me know that it is out there. The 5 YouTube videos I watched let me know that it wasn't something I'd be interested in beyond a novelty.
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What he said..... you should try V4A....you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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I've used it. It helps, but it's still lipstick on a pig. The amp and DAC make a much larger difference. I liked Viper4Android on other devices but there will be no comparison to a phone with a vastly superior DAC. The HTC One M8 was by far the best audio quality I'd ever heard before because of its DAC and amp combo. Did much better than my other phones paired with V4A.
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It's already known the pixel phones won't have a DAC and your interest level in pure sound quality is high and clearly outweighs the custom Roms or pure Android experience or early updates you get with Google phones...so I'm not sure what the hesitation is.... Get the phone with the DAC. Honestly the pixel phones are over priced and hardware specs are not comparable to the price.... I'll be keeping my 6p
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It's already known the pixel phones won't have a DAC and your interest level in pure sound quality is high and clearly outweighs the custom Roms or pure Android experience or early updates you get with Google phones...so I'm not sure what the hesitation is.... Get the phone with the DAC. Honestly the pixel phones are over priced and hardware specs are not comparable to the price.... I'll be keeping my 6p
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You're right. I'll keep an eye on them, but the more I find out about it, I don't think it is the right device for me.
Thanks again!
There is some potentially good news here, Guys. I just read the hands-on with Anandtech and while they didn't mention much about the audio quality, they did say that it has the Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec. So, yes, it's Qualcomm, but it's of much higher quality than the "normal" Qualcomm. The Aqstic is the same DAC/codec used in the HTC 10 which I find little fault with. I think the V10 is still a tad cleaner with a better noise floors, but these are extremely minor differences. For pure Google, fast updates and a nice design, I can easily settle for a Qualcomm Aqstic audio solution rather than an exotic "quad DAC" which still hasn't been released or heard by any audiophile reviewers I don't think. I'm all in for this phone.
-Collin-