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Rate this thread to express how well you can see the OnePlus 3's display outdoors. In case you've been playing Minecraft for 18 months straight, you might not known how to get outside anymore. Well, find the door and walk through it. A higher rating indicates that it has very high maximum brightness and thus fantastic outdoor visibility in direct sunlight.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Any comments on how is the screen brightness for outdoor? I'm using Droid Turbo right now and I must say that it is really bad in screen brightness, so I guess OP3 would be an upgrade for me in this department. lol...
Oneplus 3 has just an average outdoor visibility. Compared to Oneplus 2, I'd say, about 30% dimmer.
I've tried many devices, had iPhone 6s and 6s plus, Nexus 5x and 6p, Samsung Galaxy s7 Edge and s7 and HTC 10. I'm not a fanboy of one over the other.
I have always really been attracted to OnePlus for their vision and direction. Loved the OPO, like the OP2 but really wanted NFC as I use apple pay and Android pay frequently and was thrilled to see the announcement of the OP3.
With all that said, my take on the display. OnePlus 3s display is pretty good and while it is dimmer than the Galaxy s7 and even the HTC 10 (at least in direct sunlight), there isnt a phone I have used that is excellent under direct sunlight. Would I like it a little brighter, sure but under normal usage, I'd say it's on par with definitely my iPhone 6s and my Nexus 5x. The others with their qhd displays are a bit more brighter and vibrant but battery usage was significantly worse for me than the OP3 and for that I am thrilled as this provides really good screen on time.
mfasel said:
I've tried many devices, had iPhone 6s and 6s plus, Nexus 5x and 6p, Samsung Galaxy s7 Edge and s7 and HTC 10. I'm not a fanboy of one over the other.
I have always really been attracted to OnePlus for their vision and direction. Loved the OPO, like the OP2 but really wanted NFC as I use apple pay and Android pay frequently and was thrilled to see the announcement of the OP3.
With all that said, my take on the display. OnePlus 3s display is pretty good and while it is dimmer than the Galaxy s7 and even the HTC 10 (at least in direct sunlight), there isnt a phone I have used that is excellent under direct sunlight. Would I like it a little brighter, sure but under normal usage, I'd say it's on par with definitely my iPhone 6s and my Nexus 5x. The others with their qhd displays are a bit more brighter and vibrant but battery usage was significantly worse for me than the OP3 and for that I am thrilled as this provides really good screen on time.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/themes/brightness-mode-widget-t3411633/page1
Follow this thread hope it helps you. :good:
Is it just me, or does the brightness level barely change while in the 20-100% zone and drops dramatically when sliding down from like 5% to 0? Seems like 80% of the brightness level hides in the first millimeters of the slider.
Outdoor visibility is on acceptable level.
No visibility problem in sunlight.
I made a bicycle tour this week, and I could read the display OK in bright sunlight. Of course when snapping photos one can't discern details or whether it's really in focus etc., but that's not necessary! All photos ended up perfectly OK and in focus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch__nNH6ny0
Playing a lot of PoGo these days and switched from a Oneplus One. Its a huge improvement over the One and has an excellent screen reading in direct sunlight compared to other devices I had.
Maggiefix said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch__nNH6ny0
Playing a lot of PoGo these days and switched from a Oneplus One. Its a huge improvement over the One and has an excellent screen reading in direct sunlight compared to other devices I had.
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Nice video thanks for sharing.
Visibility is good compared to the OnePlusOne. But the visibility is decreasing because the number of visible scratches on the Display is increasing every week. I do not know why this happens, none of my earlier smartphones had scratches (most of them were Nexus devices), but the OnePlus three has many.
I had my 1+3 on the beach today and I could barely read the text or see if the screen is on
The OnePlus 3 has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
The display is definitely better than what weve had on the previous OnePlus phones. I did find the color saturation a bit weird coming from the LCD of the OnePlus One to the OAMOLED of the OP3, but it's a pretty beautiful display to look at.
I haven't been able to compare with another AMOLED screen, but compared to my LG G3 at full brightness, the OnePlus 3 screen colours doesn't seem as vibrant as an AMOLED screen should be. One other thing is that I've been so used to QHD on the G3, I can really notice the drop back to HD. Nonetheless, the OnePlus 3 is bang for buck no matter which way you look at it.
I just have one word. Gorgeous.
The display is sharp enough, bright enough and the color saturation is good. And definetly better than previous OP screens
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I haven't been able to compare with another AMOLED screen, but compared to my LG G3 at full brightness, the OnePlus 3 screen colours doesn't seem as vibrant as an AMOLED screen should be. One other thing is that I've been so used to QHD on the G3, I can really notice the drop back to HD. Nonetheless, the OnePlus 3 is bang for buck no matter which way you look at it.
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You notice because it has PenTile arrangement, not because it's FHD.
I've gotten used to it now, the screen is still quite amazing on the OP3. Tbh, I've always found it funny how phone manufacturers are sucked into the res race given some of the drawbacks of pushing a larger amount of pixels.
I'm moving from my Moto X (2014) to OP3, and trust me the white balance is WAY off towards the blue end. I read a review which did display tests on both the AMOLEDs of X and OP3, and apart from the white balance, OP3 has a slightly better screen and/or screen calibration than the X (which is 2 years old).
Overall I still find it blue after I switch from the X, but it's a beautiful screen nonetheless.
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I'm moving from my Moto X (2014) to OP3, and trust me the white balance is WAY off towards the blue end. I read a review which did display tests on both the AMOLEDs of X and OP3, and apart from the white balance, OP3 has a slightly better screen and/or screen calibration than the X (which is 2 years old).
Overall I still find it blue after I switch from the X, but it's a beautiful screen nonetheless.
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Just got mine, haven't even turned it on yet, but AFAIK (from reviews) white balance is adjustable in the settings. Play around with the slider if it looks too blueish to you.
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Just got mine, haven't even turned it on yet, but AFAIK (from reviews) white balance is adjustable in the settings. Play around with the slider if it looks too blueish to you.
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Yep, thanks! Did that but forgot to mention. Though be careful when you change the slider, there's no reset option in case you want it as it came (not a biggie but a reset option would've been helpful).
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Text on my phone looks blurry and more like a 720p screen, particularly visible in landscape.
I've applied for a replacement. Let me see how that turns out to be.
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Text on my phone looks blurry and more like a 720p screen, particularly visible in landscape.
I've applied for a replacement. Let me see how that turns out to be.
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That's going to be the downfall of pentile. (The pixel arrangement of the screen) I don't think you have a bad display.
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That's going to be the downfall of pentile. (The pixel arrangement of the screen) I don't think you have a bad display.
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That's a bummer. Didn't know it'd turn out this bad.
I really hope I had a defective piece though. Text looks really bad on it. It ruins the experience of using a premium phone.
Guess I'm really bothered by it because my previous phones were the 6P and Note 4 and I use a retina MacBook Pro; all three had/have excellent displays).
I was very worried about the display when I have heard many saying that it is not sharp due to the pentile arrangement.
Just got mine few hours ago, and here is my personal opinion:
The display looked sharp and crisp, the pentile matrix is hardly visible unless you look at the screen very closely, but under normal usage distance, the display is excellent.
It is true that true resolution on any pentile display is less than the ideal, and this artcile explains it: https://medium.com/@suyashsrijan/1080p-pentile-is-not-true-1080p-9951b9e5c2ee#.w8v3hh7vz
According to it, the effective resolution becomes 326ppi rather than 401ppi.
FYI, resolution of iphone 6s is also 326ppi.
To me the screen of OP3 is way better than the OP2. Everything just looks nice. My OP2 was calibrated with kcal and OP3 has similar calibration. Only the dark grey is a little on the blue/green side.
Disappointed with pixelation caused by the PenTile matrix. Sure, the display is great (much more vibrant and brighter than my outgoing iPhone 6 Plus) but with my perfect near vision small text and edges of icons etc all appear slightly jagged. From a normal distance it's not too bothersome but I can always see it. The 1080p RGB matrix panel on the iPhone appears instantly sharper in comparison but I still wouldn't say its a match as the colour, contrast and brightness are all far better on the OP3.
Resolution is too low for VR, but for everyday tasks is perfect.
I am hesitating to buy a 1+3 device mainly for the mixed comments about screen/display quality.
Can any owner of 1+3 post some pictures of any classical webpage (bbc, cnn, xda, ...) magnified gradually, up to the maximum (125%, 150%, ..., 300%, ..)?
Thanks
Ive been using the G3, and i dont care what anyone says, there is a huge difference between 1080 and 1440. The text looks smudged. However I cant stream Youtube nor Anime at 720p or higher anywas so it wont matter for me.
Still on the fence of buying it.
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Ive been using the G3, and i dont care what anyone says, there is a huge difference between 1080 and 1440. The text looks smudged. However I cant stream Youtube nor Anime at 720p or higher anywas so it wont matter for me.
Still on the fence of buying it.
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If you don't like it's most visible part, then why consider buying it?
Most people say that the oneplus 3's screen is just a piece of crap...I would have bought the axon 7 if its bootloader wasn't locked and it had a better camera. So I have the iPhone 5 and even though it's a 4-inch display it's sharp enough and you can't see any pixels,so how does the pentile screen holds up because the oneplus 3 is one hell of a phone
It's plenty sharp unless you want to use it for Virtual Reality. The OP3 actually has a higher pixel per inch count than the iPhone. The pentile matrix does make it a little less sharp, but not something you will notice in normal use. I had my Nexus 5 (2013) and OP3 side by side and I could see a difference, if I held the phone at 20 cm from my face. Anywhere further than that, not at all. Also, it uses less battery than e.g. 1440p displays, which is why the battery life on the OP3 is really good.
Finally, the sRGB mode is heaven for me. Almost perfect color calibration with amoled blacks. I'll take that trade-off for pentile everyday. And if you like high saturation, just turn sRGB off and you also get a white balance slider! The choice is yours.
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It's plenty sharp unless you want to use it for Virtual Reality. The OP3 actually has a higher pixel per inch count than the iPhone. The pentile matrix does make it a little less sharp, but not something you will notice in normal use. I had my Nexus 5 (2013) and OP3 side by side and I could see a difference, if I held the phone at 20 cm from my face. Anywhere further than that, not at all. Also, it uses less battery than e.g. 1440p displays, which is why the battery life on the OP3 is really good.
Finally, the sRGB mode is heaven for me. Almost perfect color calibration with amoled blacks. I'll take that trade-off for pentile everyday. And if you like high saturation, just turn sRGB off and you also get a white balance slider! The choice is yours.
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Actually I do plan on using VR but it's not that big of a deal
Depends on how much you use it I'd say. A friend of mine got the S7 edge with a VR headset. He used it twice in the first week he got it. Now it's gathering dust somewhere... It's mostly still a gimmick. But if you're really into it, YouTube is increasing its VR content and some games can be found on the play store.
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Depends on how much you use it I'd say. A friend of mine got the S7 edge with a VR headset. He used it twice in the first week he got it. Now it's gathering dust somewhere... It's mostly still a gimmick. But if you're really into it, YouTube is increasing its VR content and some games can be found on the play store.
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I care about everyday usage (being fast),normal media consumption (like watching videos or using Spotify) more than VR really and I really care about the camera
memo45 said:
Most people say that the oneplus 3's screen is just a piece of crap...I would have bought the axon 7 if its bootloader wasn't locked and it had a better camera. So I have the iPhone 5 and even though it's a 4-inch display it's sharp enough and you can't see any pixels,so how does the pentile screen holds up because the oneplus 3 is one hell of a phone
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I have s7 edge and OP 3 both.. I don't feel OP 3 has bad display! it might not be as good as S7 edge.. but definitely it's not pathetic display. It's very good display for day to day usage..
The display on the OnePlus 3 is pretty awesome, far better than on my One M9 for example. It may not be the best on the market but it surely isn't bad and it is far from sucking, lol.
At medium or high brightness with sRGB mode the display is great. Look really closely and you can see that it isn't perfectly sharp, but it is nonetheless FHD and you shouldn't be looking at your phone with a viewing distance of 5 cm anyway. Normal viewing distances are fine.
The minimum brightness is a bit problematic: if you turn it down all the way the dark colours seem to become actual black, so it becomes harder to see things.
Calling the display trash is surely an overstatement. It's viewing angles, blacks, minimum/maximum brightness, colour accuracy, resolution and pixel density are good to excellent. It's definitely not the best display you can get, but it's far from being terrible.
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Most people say that the oneplus 3's screen is just a piece of crap...I would have bought the axon 7 if its bootloader wasn't locked and it had a better camera. So I have the iPhone 5 and even though it's a 4-inch display it's sharp enough and you can't see any pixels,so how does the pentile screen holds up because the oneplus 3 is one hell of a phone
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The people that say the display sucks are people that don't have the phone. I have a nexus 6p and OP 3 and I couldn't tell a difference between the screen resolution of both. Not even when I'm playing game. 1080p is easily rectifiable compared to 720p, 2k is not that much from 1080p unless you're looking at small text from 3 inches.
The colors on the default mode are over saturated and are a bit over the top but majority of casual users like it more. The display on sRGB is one of the best displays on the market. It's so pleasing to the eyes, it's almost 100% accurate yet the blacks are deep. My nexus 6p has almost as good display on sRGB but it has started to suffer from screen burn because of navigation bar.
I have a OP3, LG G4, OPO and LG G3 that I can compare to.
Holding the phone at my normal reading distance or even slightly closer I cannot tell the difference in sharpness between the displays.
The biggest differences are colour saturation and black levels along with screen brightness. The LG G4 and G3 are very saturated and unnatural looking.
Opo with kcal calibration and op3 with sRGB look more neutral.
Min brightness on g3 is high and blacks On op3 is the best.
It's strange that all of you guys are saying that it's not a bad display while the whole forum is *****ing about it
What do you guys think about the zte axon 7?
I think its a phone made by a chinese manufacturer that has metal in its build.
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It's strange that all of you guys are saying that it's not a bad display while the whole forum is *****ing about it
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Whole forum? Doubtful. (Seems a fair amount find it OK or better according to the real-life review section)
Personally the display is more than satisfactory. 4.5/5.
Comparing with recent phones iPhone 6/OnePlus 2 and wife's current iPhone 6s.
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It's strange that all of you guys are saying that it's not a bad display while the whole forum is *****ing about it
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Actually I would love to do a blindfold test with any naysayers. The screen is fantastic and probably more than anyone but a heavy VR user would need. Post #2 was absolutely correct in his description.
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Whole forum? Doubtful. (Seems a fair amount find it OK or better according to the real-life review section)
Personally the display is more than satisfactory. 4.5/5.
Comparing with recent phones iPhone 6/OnePlus 2 and wife's current iPhone 6s.
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IF it's better than an iphone 6 screen then I'm sold ?
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Actually I would love to do a blindfold test with any naysayers. The screen is fantastic and probably more than anyone but a heavy VR user would need. Post #2 was absolutely correct in his description.
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I have seen a review that I could actually see the pixels on oneplus 3 screen's on video,hope it's the camera he was recording with
Not at all, it's pretty good if you do some necessary tweaks. Personally, I'm using Sultan ROM with sRGB mode (Photography mode) and the following calibrations: Red 93%, Green 87%, Blue 100%, Saturation 6%, Intensity 8. It looks great, natural colors, slightly saturated so they don't look too washed, and AMOLED black. I'm quite happy, honestly.
Daemos said:
I have a OP3, LG G4, OPO and LG G3 that I can compare to.
Holding the phone at my normal reading distance or even slightly closer I cannot tell the difference in sharpness between the displays.
The biggest differences are colour saturation and black levels along with screen brightness. The LG G4 and G3 are very saturated and unnatural looking.
Opo with kcal calibration and op3 with sRGB look more neutral.
Min brightness on g3 is high and blacks On op3 is the best.
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So you recommend op3?
I have a g3. I don't want to give up ir blaster sd card or removable batteries. Plus glass screen protector with no issues. But night time use with that AMOLED is nice. I don't like how it doesn't have multiwindow nor one handed view like my g3.
Hopefully it gets nougat quickly. I'll see how the Pixel XL is but if it's $750+ I'm not paying double. The OP 3 is a beast. I'll only consider the Google phone if it's $600. Which it won't be so hopefully I get a OnePlus 3 without screen uniformity issue this time.
I have galaxy note5.. and I can't tell the deference side by side by sharpness.. I can only notice some changing in color. But as I use sRGB on OP3 and basic on GN5 I cant tell any difference!!
Oh maybe the dpi.. but i change it on my op3 to be like gn5...
Using an S21U daily, the phones felt light in the hand even being tethered. Personally, the flat screen and matte rails of the non pro felt and looked the best. Played with some features, but the phones were resetting into demo mode frequently. Similar shots between the Pro & S21U in Best Buy... I preferred the Pixel. Colors on both panels were great in the Adaptive mode, but looks like they lack the NITS vs the S21U. Pro did get quite warm with 10+ mins of mundane use. Best Pixel to date, by miles. Enjoy your devices in good health!
Cheers, J
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Wanting a much brighter screen for outdoor use is the only reason I'm keeping tabs on the new pixels.
I'm coming from a pixel 3 XL and auto brightness just isn't quite enough under the bright Texas sun.
Thanks for sharing your experience vs the Samsung.
Tomsguide.com says both Pixel 6 displays are "rated for 800 nits peak brightness in High Brightness mode".
Google Pixel 6 review
The Google Pixel 6 delivers the best Android experience for the money with superb cameras, a unique design and Android 12
www.tomsguide.com
Other phones per Displaymate.com testing:
Pixel 3 XL = 434 cd/m2
Pixel 4 XL = 448 cd/m2
Pixel 5 = 670 nits (per Reddit)
iPhone 13 Pro Max = 1042 cd/m2
Galaxy Note 9 = 1050 cd/m2
Galaxy S20 Ultra = 1342 cd/m2
OnePlus 9 Pro = 1649 cd/m2
800 nits doesn't totally suck, but it's not "great" by todays standards.
A bit of a letdown if it's true, especially considering that the 6 Pro is rumored to have a Samsung display.
Sunlight visibility isn't only about nits, but it sure helps.
That would suck if true. I have an OP 9 Pro as well and even that could be brighter in sunlight
Ugh. Way too dim. I live in Miami, and I bought the Galaxy Note 20 Ultra because of its bright display and even that I can BARELY read outdoors during the summer months here. We need 2000+ nits on phone around here.
I'm very concerned about this. I currently have a Note 20 Ultra at 1500 nits. I very rarely need to push the brightness, but when I do, it's there. At 800 max, this is one of the first test I'm going to run.
Google hasn’t listed the exact screen brightness and instead only states it has a high brightness mode, but to my eye, it’s as bright as the iPhone 13 Pro that hits 1,000 nits of sustained brightness.
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Tomsguide.com says both Pixel 6 displays are "rated for 800 nits peak brightness in High Brightness mode".
Google Pixel 6 review
The Google Pixel 6 delivers the best Android experience for the money with superb cameras, a unique design and Android 12
www.tomsguide.com
Other phones:
Pixel 3 XL = 434 cd/m2
iPhone 13 Pro Max = 1042 cd/m2
Galaxy Note 9 = 1050 cd/m2
Galaxy S20 Ultra = 1342 cd/m2
OnePlus 9 Pro = 1649 cd/m2
800 nits doesn't totally suck, but it's not "great" by todays standards.
A bit of a letdown if it's true, especially considering that the 6 Pro is rumored to have a Samsung display.
Sunlight visibility isn't only about nits, but it sure helps.
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With any luck, for the unlocked model once rooted, will be able to have a custom kernel that enables at least a high-brightness mode like I used to use with the Pixel 1:
https://elementalx.org/devices/
and the HBM app to go along with the kernel: High Brightness Mode
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With any luck, for the unlocked model once rooted, will be able to have a custom kernel that enables at least a high-brightness mode like I used to use with the Pixel 1:
https://elementalx.org/devices/
and the HBM app to go along with the kernel: High Brightness Mode
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Yep. Hopefully tbalden will implement his kernel (CleanSlate) for this phone. He not only has a High Brightness mode but a High Brightness Boost mode that is fabulous in bright sunshine for the Pixel 4 XL.
My delivery date has updated again, back to Oct 27-28. Guess I can stop holding my breath till I get my way
I have 20/20 vision and I can barely stand the brightness with today's phones even in bright sunlight past the half way point on the slider. But I digress.
One complaint I have about my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ is it doesn't get dim enough when being used in the dark. It doesn't automatically go to the lowest brightness most of the time, and even when I manually lower it to the bottom, it's still way too bright. It's relatively rare these days that I try to use my phone in the dark, but through root on my Pixel 1, I was able to go even lower than it got without root - which was already lower than my Note does. It is nice having the screen be able to get so bright, although in the brightest sun, it was still slightly difficult to see, and it's more important to me that the software works the way it was meant to - which is not what I get with the Note.
you can't really tell but it is as bright as my s21u. you can't tell the difference. people who say otherwise are straight lying.
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I have 20/20 vision and I can barely stand the brightness with today's phones even in bright sunlight past the half way point on the slider. But I digress.
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I'm with you, have 20/10 vision and light sensitivity so sunglasses anytime I'm outside that's not after dark and have every piece of glass in my car tinted including the windshield so I suppose we are in a slightly different category than most in this thread.
Checked Pixel 6 Pro today at Bestbuy, felt P6P is not as premium as S21 Ultra. S21 Ultra build quality felt premium to me, the back being matte feels like metal, also S21 ultra screen quality is better (brightness and richness of color etc..).
Check the attached screen comparison pic (both are at 100% brightness).
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you can't really tell but it is as bright as my s21u. you can't tell the difference. people who say otherwise are straight lying.
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I don't know bro. You probably held a defected 6p. However, I can comment on the colors. That's because Samsung devices have the option to have vivid screen mode. This is something you can achieve on the 6p with a custom kernel. It comes down to preferences
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I don't know bro. You probably held a defected 6p. However, I can comment on the colors. That's because Samsung devices have the option to have vivid screen mode. This is something you can achieve on the 6p with a custom kernel. It comes down to preferences
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Do you know what display options the Pixel 6 Pro has? For instance, the 4XL has Natural, Boosted and Adaptive. The 2XL has Natural, boosted and saturated. I believe Adaptive is default for 4XL and Boosted for the 2XL.
@droidguy22 Did you notice these options while you were playing around with it?
I did not check. But I also heard that many pixel owners see no difference between natural and boosted.
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I did not check. But I also heard that many pixel owners see no difference between natural and boosted.
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Very slight difference between natural and boosted on my Pixel 4 XL, but noticeable difference with adaptive compared to those other two.
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you can't really tell but it is as bright as my s21u. you can't tell the difference. people who say otherwise are straight lying.
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Googles high-brightness mode can't be toggled/manually "activated" by hand (except if you root and force that), so most people just max the slider and then make a comparison. That's why there is a lot of confusion concerning the "doesn't get bright enough" - But that's bull****. It won't work. You need to go into a direct sunlight situation and then and only then the phone will max out. It's hardcoded and is only active when the phone sensors scream "supa bright!!!". It's Googles way to do it and it sorta sucks, but that's how it is.
So if people want to make a brightness comparison, they need to be in a very bright spot to make sure that the Pixel phone will actually max le brightness. If you just max the slider in a room with normal lights, the phone will not go into high brightness mode and your comparison will suck a*ss, because those Samsungs or Apple phones will shine your daylights out.
By the way, what helps Pixel smartphones (at least the P3 and P4 XL that I owned showed that) massively in terms of readability is decent anti-reflective coating/glass. A phone with decent anti-reflective capabilities and 800 nits is much better readable than a phone with 1100 nits and bad anti-reflective capabilities.
I know. Real max auto brightness (when the phone detects very high brightness) is very different from the max manual brightness just by sliding the brightness bar to the end. Next time you check, try flashing your phone flashlight right next to 6p's front camera and the brightness should jump up even higher.