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[Q] xda approved flashers license idea

I am open to all and any comments within the xda rules of online behavior.
DEFINITION:
I define the flashers license as either a online certificate or printable document stating that the owner is a capable and mostly successful flasher of multiple phones whether custom or stock roms.
APPLICATION OF CONCEPT:
Basically for the people that flash peoples phones as a side business, meaning that for a person with little or no knowledge of the flashing aspect of phones to feel safe knowing that the person is recognized by the worlds biggest forum as a flasher with respects to legal rules.
THE EXAM:
The exam should be an online timed application to test off hand knowledge (timed to prevent people from just checking the forums for answers).
A visual and worded test could also be done.
PROS:
A licensed flasher should have enough knowledge to actually work on xda. And the license could be part of a resume of sorts (flashers license, poster of frequently used roms apps and ideas, member of xda tv ect) with respects to becoming a senior member or a moderator.
A licensed flasher should be very able to answer bootloader and flash error posts to the people of xda that may have made and error with the flashers license as assurance.
A licensed flasher would have a custom icon next to their xda login name.
the flasher license would be the first of many licenses to come if the idea is approved ie crb (custom rom builder) license, pia (Phone Information and Assistance) license, ab (app builder license) ect. all of which could give recognition to xda and other companies, for example consider i want build paid apps for android the license ensures that this is a premium application from a recognized builder.
A license system would filter the people with basic knowledge and the people with approved knowledge to assist the site users and also a notification of insurance ie whatever they do is not harmful to the phone and is always removable or could be undone.
As one of the largest mobile phone fora the system of licenses would widen the gap in terms of order, due respect and also make things in xda more official within the site itself.
CONS
Somebody or a group of people have to build the testing app(easy).
The test application would have to be upgradeable due to future os, phone and application type releases.
The license should be renewed due to con 2.
MY OPINION
i honestly think the system would be nice to have and also push the site foward, other than pushing the site foward it actually gives some people opportunities... big example consider you want a job ( a real one not side job) within the skills you got at xda... phone repairs... hardware and software mods ect , xda the license would look good considering that no phone lover that works in a phone company doesnt know about xda itl be cool to know the site approved you as a licensed whatever on the resume. Ontop of that if a person wants something done to thier phone they could contact an licensed person on xda to tackle the job( paid obviously).
YOUR OPINION: (comment below as a reply )

best root not affecting flash counter?

Is there a good way to root 2.3.6 (Sprint, if that matters) without increasing the flash counter?
My preference would be for something manual, where I run a bunch of commands in adb, rather than where I run some mysterious executable on the PC, but I can do the latter if needed.
Temp root would be better than nothing.

Up until EK02 (2.3.6) you could root directly. See manual instructions in 2nd post of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
After EK02 there is no direct root, so you use the pre-rooted ODIN oneclick packages, which can also be found in that thread.

Can one downgrade to the official 2.3.5 without affecting the flash counter (or violating copyright by downloading firmwares from unapproved websites), and then do something to make root survive (e.g., ro.secure=0 in local.prop?) an official upgrade?

You might be able to, but I think you are going through more effort than is necessary. Up to you what you want to try.

Just use any of the Odin stock one click Roots. Won't effect your binary count or give you the yellow triangle. Then either flash a cwm kernel or auto root with cwm

The longer you have the phone, it is inevitable that you will increase the counter at one point or another while flashing.
If you're that concerned, purchase a USB jig. They're only a few dollars and handy to have on hand for this reason and a couple of others.

1. What's a USB jig?
2. What are the ODIN one-click root packages? Are they a complete pre-rooted firmware? If so, don't they violate Samsung's/Sprint's copyright? Or are they just a kernel (which won't violate their copyright, since kernels will be under GPL2)?

arpruss said:
1. What's a USB jig?
2. What are the ODIN one-click root packages? Are they a complete pre-rooted firmware? If so, don't they violate Samsung's/Sprint's copyright? Or are they just a kernel (which won't violate their copyright, since kernels will be under GPL2)?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402286

arpruss said:
1. What's a USB jig?
2. What are the ODIN one-click root packages? Are they a complete pre-rooted firmware? If so, don't they violate Samsung's/Sprint's copyright? Or are they just a kernel (which won't violate their copyright, since kernels will be under GPL2)?
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You can also make one yourself see youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRrTZayRxU. Claims claim that it will erase flash count.

The one-click root packages, if I understand correctly, include a complete ROM, with all the apps added by Samsung and Sprint, right? If so, then downloading them would seem to be a copyright violation. (I am very careful about copyright.)
Maybe I'll just wait for the Sprint 14-day return period to run out and then just not worry about the flash counter (and I couldn't care less about a yellow triangle on a boot screen, as long as it doesn't show up after boot).

Stock roms with apps added don't violate copyright, only AOSP roms need to have the Google proprietary apps seperate, they are still distributable just can't be included with AOSP. Any rom with touchwiz they can be packaged in the ROM.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Stock roms with apps added don't violate copyright, only AOSP roms need to have the Google proprietary apps seperate, they are still distributable just can't be included with AOSP. Any rom with touchwiz they can be packaged in the ROM.
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Has Samsung/Sprint given permission to redistribute stock ROMs with added components? That would be great--I am new to the Samsung scene, so before I download and risk violating copyright, I'd like to see the evidence.

Its essentially the same package they use to restore your phone at the store or when you send in a broken device and the refurbish it. You don't purchase ROMs, they are freely downloadable from samsungs support site and every time you get an OTA you are downloading the ROM for free.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Its essentially the same package they use to restore your phone at the store or when you send in a broken device and the refurbish it. You don't purchase ROMs, they are freely downloadable from samsungs support site and every time you get an OTA you are downloading the ROM for free.
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IANAL, but I don't think it is decisive that you get something for free. You're still not allowed to re-distribute a capture of it without the copyright owner's permission. Likewise, you can get a TV show for free over the air, and you can record it for personal time-shifting purposes, but you can't re-distribute the recording without permission, and likewise I bet you can't legally download the show from an unauthorized torrent. Don't get me wrong--I'd love it if it turned out to be legal, and in general I am really unhappy with the state of copyright law, but the fact that I am unhappy with a law doesn't mean I don't have to follow it (legitimate civil disobedience is a case apart).
Where can I find the ROMs on Samsung's support site? Do they have a restrictive EULA? If not, maybe I can just modify the ROM myself.

I can't find anything about custom roms violating copyright or being illegal in anyway other than voiding your warranty. Furthermore they (manufacturers) release the source of the ROMs and kernels which includes all the apps in the source, this is how developers make the rom even better than the MFGs do. The android base that all MFGs use to build their ROMs is opensource which Google requires that the MFGs release the source therefore making it legal to download, I don't know samsungs site but HTCdev.com you can download all rom and kernel sources and tools to unlock the bootloader allowing you to bypass security and flash custom firmware, the supreme court ruled that once you purchase the device it becomes your property and the MFG and/it carriers cannot make it illegal for you to root/hack/or customize your own device, the worst they can do is void your warranty, but there was another supreme court ruling stating they can only void your warranty if they can directly prove that the modification caused the damage. So say you flash a custom rom and then have a hardware malfunction such as a powerbutton, USB port, screen, or volume rocker nolonger working, as long as you return the software to stock and the hardware is still broken they cannot deny your warranty as long as you are in your warranty period. It would be similar to an automotive dealer or manufacturer denying your drive train warranty because you tinted your windows or used aftermarket rims,tires or windshield wipers, etc. Personally I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill on the copyright issues, but it's your device and your choice. all the apps you would be recieving you already purchased the licensing to when you purchased your device, therefore meaning you already own said software and aren't violating any copyrights by redownloading it from anywhere no matter the source. If you purchased windows and have your product key but lose your disc you can legally download a matching copy of windows from anywhere you'd like, torrent, p2p, Microsoft or 3rd party software vendors, you could even borrow a disc from anyone who has a copy and install it and use the product key you already purchased without breaking any laws. So since you already purchased the device and the licensing to all the apps/software included with said device you wouldn't be violating any laws copyright or otherwise to download those same apps or software from another source, because you already purchased them.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
I can't find anything about custom roms violating copyright or being illegal in anyway other than voiding your warranty. Furthermore they (manufacturers) release the source of the ROMs and kernels which includes all the apps in the source, this is how developers make the rom even better than the MFGs do.
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They are required to distribute kernel source code by the GPL2 on the Linux kernel, and if they want to, they can distribute the Apache2-licensed Android code, but don't have to. But the ROM source code certainly does not include the source for the Google Apps, and I would be very surprised if it included the source for Samsung-specific apps, frameworks, etc. Of course, I could be wrong--I am new to Samsung stuff. (It certainly isn't true for my Archos 43. The source code for that includes enough to build the kernel, and a bunch of other stuff, but certainly does not include the proprietary Archos apps.)
all the apps you would be recieving you already purchased the licensing to when you purchased your device, therefore meaning you already own said software and aren't violating any copyrights by redownloading it from anywhere no matter the source.
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From a license, I can receive rights specified in the license, plus whatever additional rights copyright law gives me. I am not aware of a license given by Samsung and/or Sprint that gives me the right to download the software from an unofficial site. And standard copyright law, as far as I know, does not give me the right to do that, either.
If you purchased windows and have your product key but lose your disc you can legally download a matching copy of windows from anywhere you'd like, torrent, p2p, Microsoft or 3rd party software vendors, you could even borrow a disc from anyone who has a copy and install it and use the product key you already purchased without breaking any laws.
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I've heard that before, I don't see anything like this in the Windows XP Pro or 7 PRO EULAs. And it's not one of the standard exemptions in copyright law as far as I know.
So since you already purchased the device and the licensing to all the apps/software included with said device you wouldn't be violating any laws copyright or otherwise to download those same apps or software from another source, because you already purchased them.
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One might as well say that if I own a CD or hardcopy book, I can download mp3s or an ebook from an unauthorized site. There is no such permission in the law as far as I know. I can convert my own CD myself into an mp3 file for my own use, and maybe I can legally scan my own hardcopy book into an electronic file for my own use, but I can't make a copy from an illegal copy on the Internet.

You're reading way too much into copyright laws books and CDs are not the same as software, they don't come with eulas for usage. By your logic if you have more than one computer or android phone you better purchase the same software for each one. If it concerns you that much you probably shouldn't root your phone, or if you do, don't use any custom roms. I never said the source for the apps was included, but the apps and source for things like touchwiz and sense(HTC) most certainly are that's how the devs modify the launchers to have more options than stock. Xda doesn't allow cracks or warez so if it was that big of a deal they wouldn't allow the devs to distribute their roms here. They do require AOSP roms to have GApps distributed as a separate zip from the rom but any manufacturer based roms are openly distributed in their entirety.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
You're reading way too much into copyright laws books and CDs are not the same as software, they don't come with eulas for usage. By your logic if you have more than one computer or android phone you better purchase the same software for each one.
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That depends on the particular EULA. Some EULAs allow installation on multiple devices and some limit it to a particular set of devices. I have seen one EULA that says I need to choose between two possibilities: (a) one user and many devices or (b) one device and many users. I have seen another EULA that says that if I install the program on a desktop, I am also entitled to install another copy on a laptop. Some EULAs, on the other hand, allow installation on exactly one device. Certainly, you can't legally use one copy of Microsoft Office on two computers without a special license.
I think it is a great thing that both Android Market and the Amazon Appstore have embraced a licensing model on which you can use the same app on multiple devices while paying only once. That wasn't the standard model for PalmOS apps, back when I developed those (another difference was that a number of PalmOS developers charged for major version updates), though a number of developers would as a courtesy generate a new registration code when you got a new device.
If it concerns you that much you probably shouldn't root your phone, or if you do, don't use any custom roms. I never said the source for the apps was included, but the apps and source for things like touchwiz and sense(HTC) most certainly are that's how the devs modify the launchers to have more options than stock.
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Wikipedia says "TouchWiz is used internally by Samsung for sophisticated feature phones and tablet computers, and is not available for licensing by external parties". I doubt that they would release source code if they are so restrictive about licensing.
I've been hacking software for over two decades. Source code is nice for modifying things, but one can do a lot of modifications without source code. But then one better not redistribute the modified copyrighted stuff without an appropriate license.
Xda doesn't allow cracks or warez so if it was that big of a deal they wouldn't allow the devs to distribute their roms here.
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My guess (based on something I read) is that they allow the ROMs to be distributed as long as the copyright owner doesn't complain. So we can presume that Samsung and Sprint haven't complained.
I guess the fact that they haven't complained doesn't make it legal, but it does mean it can't be a Very Big Deal. (But even if it's not a Very Big Deal, I still want to stay on the right side of the law.)
Like I said, I'd really like it if there was an official source for downloading a stock ROM so I could modify it myself, assuming the EULA allows it.

You are one of the few who reads those things. The way I look at it I bought one phone and I have the right to download, flash, or install anything from samsug or sprint designed for this phone as many times as I want on my phone. These are not hacked apps or warez and they are not being installed on other brands of phones or other carriers devices. Seriously if large companies or carriers had problems with this then sites like xda would not be allowed to exist. The reality is that communities like this provide a free service to manufacturers and carriers. We do things with their software and hardware configurations that never come up in lab testng and we talk about it in detail. Look at all of the leaked ics versions lately. These forums are basically beta testing this software before release.
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someguyatx said:
You are one of the few who reads those things. The way I look at it I bought one phone and I have the right to download, flash, or install anything from samsug or sprint designed for this phone as many times as I want on my phone. These are not hacked apps or warez and they are not being installed on other brands of phones or other carriers devices. Seriously if large companies or carriers had problems with this then sites like xda would not be allowed to exist. The reality is that communities like this provide a free service to manufacturers and carriers. We do things with their software and hardware configurations that never come up in lab testng and we talk about it in detail. Look at all of the leaked ics versions lately. These forums are basically beta testing this software before release.
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I completely agree with you. Samsung has always seemed to be more open to those ideas because they don't try to lock down their phones like some other manufacturers have...

Xda os

Hi, everyone I am a new member of xda developers but i look out the forum for months. My opinion is that you are '' Gods ''. You can make everything work in the way you want. And I have a big question ; why you don't start a project for making an os. (ok, I know it is not easy but you can do it)
What s your opinion?

ilias1998 said:
Hi, everyone I am a new member of xda developers but i look out the forum for months. My opinion is that you are '' Gods ''. You can make everything work in the way you want. And I have a big question ; why you don't start a project for making an os. (ok, I know it is not easy but you can do it)
What s your opinion?
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Just my ideas:
For developing, maintaining and contributing an operation system, you need the skills (no problem for xda) and very good connections to the hardware manufacturers.
Not only via mails, chats, phone, etc. for communication and knowledge transfer, but also in economic/financial and legal affairs.
And the last part could be a problem for xda, as a free and open community - it implicates a kind of company/enterprise structure.
Maybe that would force xda to change into something different ... and that's not what I want.
So, IMO let other companies do the OS job, and xda can stay like it is ... and that's fine.
P.S.: For a smartphone or tablet, the firmware is based on a special OS, but it is the software "touched" by the user. So creating custom ROMs/kernels/apps/themes/etc. is already a great job, which is done in many many thread through-out xda for nearly all devices.

Ok......
It_ler said:
Just my ideas:
For developing, maintaining and contributing an operation system, you need the skills (no problem for xda) and very good connections to the hardware manufacturers.
Not only via mails, chats, phone, etc. for communication and knowledge transfer, but also in economic/financial and legal affairs.
And the last part could be a problem for xda, as a free and open community - it implicates a kind of company/enterprise structure.
Maybe that would force xda to change into something different ... and that's not what I want.
So, IMO let other companies do the OS job, and xda can stay like it is ... and that's fine.
P.S.: For a smartphone or tablet, the firmware is based on a special OS, but it is the software "touched" by the user. So creating custom ROMs/kernels/apps/themes/etc. is already a great job, which is done in many many thread through-out xda for nearly all devices.
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I agree with you in some points but first all I believe that if xda developers make their own os they won't have the restrictions( of thinks like
Devices warranties, licenses problems and other things like that.) they have. Also financial and legal affairs management is a problem that can be solved by xda staff(forum owner)

I posted in a thread kinda like this some time ago.
The thread was about XDA making their own phone/tablet and the talk of creating an OS cropped up in there.
It's the kind of idea that has it's good and bad points.
The main good point being that if there was a problem somewhere along the line, the staff would be easily able to get it sorted because of the amazing skill they have.
But the 2 main bad points (that I can think of) are:
•The OS scene would be really hard for a new competitor to break in to. Windows = HUGE. Android = HUGE. Apple = HUGE. They haven't got that status overnight.
It's took years and years to first get everything set up, then promote the company and then get the credibility and fanbase. It's not easy at all.
•If XDA were to make their own OS, I personally think it would ruin them.
I say this because XDA is renowned for the development and hacking of all these different devices over all these OSes. If they launched their own, it would take the spotlight off development for other OSes and if users didn't want to make the switch over, they're then left with no development, meaning that XDA then loses a ton of members.
I'm a product of the system I was born to destroy!

I agree with KC. I think the app is enough. Nice suggestion tho'

ilias1998 said:
Hi, everyone I am a new member of xda developers but i look out the forum for months. My opinion is that you are '' Gods ''. You can make everything work in the way you want. And I have a big question ; why you don't start a project for making an os. (ok, I know it is not easy but you can do it)
What s your opinion?
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The thread was about XDA making their own phone/tablet and the talk of creating an OS cropped up in there.

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chuqi said:
The thread was about XDA making their own phone/tablet and the talk of creating an OS cropped up in there.
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ilias1998 said:
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They're probably just trying to be sly about getting to 10 posts. I'll be keeping an eye on them anyway
I'm a product of the system I was born to destroy!

I am working on a simple preemptive multitasking OS (since i won the STM32 here), though it isn't aimed at competing with android but i had a different thing in my mind, bootstrapping it from OEM's bootloader. I am trying to stay as far as i can from the hardware so there are a lot of quirks which prevent it from being a full fledged OS, like all process share a single address space, infact if the device support file choose to, it will execute entirely in physical address space. From my experience so far, it should work on anything newer than ARMv6 (and with some hacks on ARMv5). I have it booting on HD2 but it's still not near completion, I use a round robin scheduler with priority scaled quantum to have best of both simplicity and prioritized tasks (Run longer instead of running often) while planning to replace it with priority queues in future.
Best part, I don't have a name yet

intresting...........
Rick_1995 said:
I am working on a simple preemptive multitasking OS (since i won the STM32 here), though it isn't aimed at competing with android but i had a different thing in my mind, bootstrapping it from OEM's bootloader. I am trying to stay as far as i can from the hardware so there are a lot of quirks which prevent it from being a full fledged OS, like all process share a single address space, infact if the device support file choose to, it will execute entirely in physical address space. From my experience so far, it should work on anything newer than ARMv6 (and with some hacks on ARMv5). I have it booting on HD2 but it's still not near completion, I use a round robin scheduler with priority scaled quantum to have best of both simplicity and prioritized tasks (Run longer instead of running often) while planning to replace it with priority queues in future.
Best part, I don't have a name yet
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ok,very intrensting.Is it going to be open source?Any screenshot or any feature?
if yes i would like to know if you don't have a problem

Rick_1995 said:
I am working on a simple preemptive multitasking OS (since i won the STM32 here), though it isn't aimed at competing with android but i had a different thing in my mind, bootstrapping it from OEM's bootloader. I am trying to stay as far as i can from the hardware so there are a lot of quirks which prevent it from being a full fledged OS, like all process share a single address space, infact if the device support file choose to, it will execute entirely in physical address space. From my experience so far, it should work on anything newer than ARMv6 (and with some hacks on ARMv5). I have it booting on HD2 but it's still not near completion, I use a round robin scheduler with priority scaled quantum to have best of both simplicity and prioritized tasks (Run longer instead of running often) while planning to replace it with priority queues in future.
Best part, I don't have a name yet
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My suggestion for the OS name: RickOS !
Ok, it's not very fancy, but I like straight and brief names.

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It_ler said:
My suggestion for the OS name: RickOS !
Ok, it's not very fancy, but I like straight and brief names.
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ilias1998 said:
ok,very intrensting.Is it going to be open source?Any screenshot or any feature?
if yes i would like to know if you don't have a problem
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It's not aimed at users as i just said, though it does have a framebuffer i wrote some time ago for another software i worked for Below are the screenshots of the framebuffer driver in that software and it's development branch (black screens). The kernel itself is non-intrusive and most of the device behavior is governed by the device files. As of now i have quite a lot working on HD2, I could easily port linux drivers with a few modifications. It will run any code written in C or C++.
And, yes It will be open but not unless i have something stable working (1st release).
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Oh yeaaaaaaaa quite an amazing job running good thanks
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There goes the neighborhood.... :good:

woohooo enjoy guys !!!

So pumped! I'm glad that its official! ROM is up and running flawlessly for me so far!
I am toying with WifiTether, somebody post up if you have it working. The native Hotspot appears like it will work, but it prompts me about Verizon hotspot, so I am afraid to use it.

freddie813 said:
So pumped! I'm glad that its official! ROM is up and running flawlessly for me so far!
I am toying with WifiTether, somebody post up if you have it working. The native Hotspot appears like it will work, but it prompts me about Verizon hotspot, so I am afraid to use it.
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I'm good I didn't see that warning and my tether is all good..I'm on unlimited and I don't have the additional tethering plan..hope this helps..
Joe

ROM looks good guys. I've heard all about venom but I never had the chance to run it. On a side note I noticed in the general section Santod provided a kernel for you guys but he doesn't have a credit?
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disconnecktie said:
ROM looks good guys. I've heard all about venom but I never had the chance to run it. On a side note I noticed in the general section Santod provided a kernel for you guys but he doesn't have a credit?
Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk
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Working on credit.. I don't have the PSD of the graphic in the OP...

Turge said:
Working on credit.. I don't have the PSD of the graphic in the OP...
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OK sorry. Great work though. Looks awesome.
Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk

bsbuggs said:
I'm good I didn't see that warning and my tether is all good..I'm on unlimited and I don't have the additional tethering plan..hope this helps..
Joe
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Thanks Joe. I tried it again and it didn't prompt me.. hmm..

freddie813 said:
Thanks Joe. I tried it again and it didn't prompt me.. hmm..
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It nice when everything on a ROM works, I may have to take off of work tomorrow just to get familiar with all the venom tweaks.. There are deep!
GPS gives me like 12 SATs lock...haven't tried moving yet just from my living room..

bsbuggs said:
It nice when everything on a ROM works, I may have to take off of work tomorrow just to get familiar with all the venom tweaks.. There are deep!
GPS gives me like 12 SATs lock...haven't tried moving yet just from my living room..
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Virus is the guy behind getting all of this working on your phone
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turge said:
Virus is the guy behind getting all of this working on your phone
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
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Edit: and Santod for working with Virus to get a kernel that would boot..
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Do we wipe and flash?
Sent from my HTC ONE

Turge said:
Virus is the guy behind getting all of this working on your phone
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Those of us on Verizons HTC one really really aprexiate the thought and work to include us in their viper family, and a big thanks to the viper team and as you said to virus for sticking with it!.
And as I said before donation is on the he way...awesome job, the ROM runs super smooth..
Joe

This looks great!plan on flashing later tonight :good: . I have been waiting for the official release.?
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[PETITION]Kernel Source for Ascend P6

Hey
I opened this thread for anyone, who has an idea how to get Huawei to release the whole source code for our P6, because I think that would be great if they do so!
Petition
Gesendet von meinem P6-U06

Maybe we can try to start a Petition?

Would be an idea but I don't know if they would react.
Gesendet von meinem P6-U06

If we have enough people like 3000 or 4000, maybe Huawei will think about that.

rupro327 said:
If we have enough people like 3000 or 4000, maybe Huawei will think about that.
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But we aren't so many I think :/
Gesendet von meinem P6-U06

If we share it, I think we can get this number.

Do you know how to start something like that? Maybe you can do it?
Gesendet von meinem P6-U06

You can search in HTC one X forum, they did things like that with HTC. They mainly let messages on HTC Facebook and Twitter accounts.
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We could spam every single Huawei account until they release it
Gesendet von meinem P6-U06

This is what I've found. We can start something like that. I would start this but my English is bad, I'm a teen from Germany. But I can help I've someone start a petition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767801
Sent from my P6-U06 using xda app-developers app

bilbonotry said:
You can search in HTC one X forum, they did things like that with HTC. They mainly let messages on HTC Facebook and Twitter accounts.
Sent from my One X using xda app-developers app
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You must account that things are not as free and open in China as they are in the western world. Probably the best thing to do would be to include the anzhi.com (not only would Huawei put more attention to them, there are probably thousands if not even hundreds of thousands of them in the P6 subforum!) userbase in this petition, but for that we need someone who knows Chinese. But I'm not sure if they would take part in the petition because of the totalitarian regime of the country.
http://about.me/DTSpawn here's a marketing manager at Huawei Device Russia, I believe they may have some close connections to the China based Huawei Corp.

tauio111 said:
You must account that things are not as free and open in China as they are in the western world. Probably the best thing to do would be to include the anzhi.com (not only would Huawei put more attention to them, there are probably thousands if not even hundreds of thousands of them in the P6 subforum!) userbase in this petition, but for that we need someone who knows Chinese. But I'm not sure if they would take part in the petition because of the totalitarian regime of the country.
here's a marketing manager at Huawei Device Russia, I believe they may have some close connections to the China based Huawei Corp.
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China!
I shoudn't have bought a phone from a chinese company
lol , joking the best phone I ever had in spite of late kitkat updates.

In my opinion we should try to make our own letter and send this to Huawei, maybee KanocX allows us to modify their letter and send this to Huawei.
Edit: I have asked KanocX and he gave me permission to use his letter as base.
Dear Huawei,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of the Huawei Ascend P6. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone.
But without the Kit Kat Kernel source code, we are not able to take advantage of all the functions, which need to be implemented to the Kernel.
It’s been a long time since the official Kit Kat was released. Yet the huawei.com website has still not been updated with the kernel source. Also the last firmware source code was in August 2013.
Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which means that you are legally obligated to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame. This code is free software (free as in free speech) and this means that it is developed by volunteers around the world. They do not wish to earn money with this code, only that it spreads the great idea of freedom and free software. We want to make the software as good as possible and improve what you have currently done.
Developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use
By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with Huawei as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
Furthermore we know that we can and will lose the phone’s warranty by installing unofficial phone updates, but we, the developers, know what we are doing with the device, so it doesn’t restrict the usage of the phone nor does it affect Huawei in any way.
We are aware that this device is from a previous hardware generation and we are grateful that you are continuing to support it, but we would all be happy if your continued support is not only directed at your customers, but also as required by copyright law.
Please do the right thing and release the Huawei Ascend P6 Android 4.4 kernel source. Thank you.
Sincerely yours, The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
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Please give me review on this letter and contribute to this, so that we will have a really good letter, which we can send to Huawei.
If you want I can support this project, and I would be willing to take the lead in this process of the "petition".

raolleel said:
In my opinion we should try to make our own letter and send this to Huawei, maybee KanocX allows us to modify their letter and send this to Huawei.
Edit: I have asked KanocX and he gave me permission to use his letter as base.
Please give me review on this letter and contribute to this, so that we will have a really good letter, which we can send to Huawei.
If you want I can support this project, and I would be willing to take the lead in this process of the "petition".
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I really like the letter :good: and i could translate it into german to send it to Huawei Germany.
Gesendet von meinem HUAWEI P6-U06

taaeem said:
I really like the letter :good: and i could translate it into german to send it to Huawei Germany.
Gesendet von meinem HUAWEI P6-U06
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Thank you ... I'm also a native German , so translation isn't a big deal.
We should first optimize this letter, so that everyone think it's good.
Then we can translate it and send it to the right Persons ^^
I think we need a little strategy, how we can optimizing this process
At first we should make a time line, I'll prepare a Post, on which I show a time line and the following steps,
we shouldn't start on our own.

taaeem said:
I really like the letter :good: and i could translate it into german to send it to Huawei Germany.
Gesendet von meinem HUAWEI P6-U06
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Hello everyone out there,
there is no need to translate it again. It was already translated to German, Chinese, Malay, Indonesian, French, Polish, Spanish and Italian. All information you need, can be found at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1767801.
Good luck for your project and best regards,
KanocX

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Release the kernel source !​
This is a attempt to get Huawei to release the source code for our Huawei Ascend P6.
Here is a time line how we should proceed:​
Step 1: Create the English letter
We should take some time to optimize the letter.
first attempt:
Dear Huawei,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of the Huawei Ascend P6. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone.
But without the Kit Kat Kernel source code, we are not able to take advantage of all the functions, which need to be implemented to the Kernel.
It’s been a long time since the official Kit Kat was released. Yet the huawei.com website has still not been updated with the kernel source. Also the last firmware source code was in August 2013.
Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which means that you are legally obligated to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame. This code is free software (free as in free speech) and this means that it is developed by volunteers around the world. They do not wish to earn money with this code, only that it spreads the great idea of freedom and free software. We want to make the software as good as possible and improve what you have currently done.
Developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use
By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with Huawei as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
Furthermore we know that we can and will lose the phone’s warranty by installing unofficial phone updates, but we, the developers, know what we are doing with the device, so it doesn’t restrict the usage of the phone nor does it affect Huawei in any way.
We are aware that this device is from a previous hardware generation and we are grateful that you are continuing to support it, but we would all be happy if your continued support is not only directed at your customers, but also as required by copyright law.
Please do the right thing and release the Huawei Ascend P6 Android 4.4 kernel source. Thank you.
Sincerely yours, The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
Step 2: Collect people to sign our petition
We need this petition to be signed by many persons, so we should provide a link where everybody can sign our petition (I can provide such) And we need to post this petition everywhere.
Step 3: Get people to know about our petition
Let us translate our letter in all kinds of language.(edit: we can use the letters from here as base) Search until we find the right Persons, who should revive the letter. So that Huawei knows that we want them to release the code. And we aren't only a few dev's who are frustrated.
Step 4: Spread our letter to Huawei
Finally we must send our letter to everyone who can change something.
Step 3: wait
Credits: KanocX for the base of our letter

You can't force someone to do something. All you need to do is ask.

raolleel said:
Release the kernel source !​
This is a attempt to get Huawei to release the source code for our Huawei Ascend P6.
Here is a time line how we should proceed:​
Step 1: Create the English letter
We should take some time to optimize the letter. I would say let us wait 7 days (till Juni 7)
first attempt:
Dear Huawei,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of the Huawei Ascend P6. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone.
But without the Kit Kat Kernel source code, we are not able to take advantage of all the functions, which need to be implemented to the Kernel.
It’s been a long time since the official Kit Kat was released. Yet the huawei.com website has still not been updated with the kernel source. Also the last firmware source code was in August 2013.
Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which means that you are legally obligated to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame. This code is free software (free as in free speech) and this means that it is developed by volunteers around the world. They do not wish to earn money with this code, only that it spreads the great idea of freedom and free software. We want to make the software as good as possible and improve what you have currently done.
Developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use
By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with Huawei as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
Furthermore we know that we can and will lose the phone’s warranty by installing unofficial phone updates, but we, the developers, know what we are doing with the device, so it doesn’t restrict the usage of the phone nor does it affect Huawei in any way.
We are aware that this device is from a previous hardware generation and we are grateful that you are continuing to support it, but we would all be happy if your continued support is not only directed at your customers, but also as required by copyright law.
Please do the right thing and release the Huawei Ascend P6 Android 4.4 kernel source. Thank you.
Sincerely yours, The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
Step 2: Collect people to sign our petition
We need this petition to be signed by many persons, so we should provide a link where everybody can sign our petition (I can provide such) And we need to post this petition everywhere.
Step 3: Get people to know about our petition
Let us translate our letter in all kinds of language.(edit: we can use the letters from here as base) Search until we find the right Persons, who should revive the letter. So that Huawei knows that we want them to release the code. And we aren't only a few dev's who are frustrated.
Step 4: Spread our letter to Huawei
Finally we must send our letter to everyone who can change something.
Step 3: wait
Credits: KanocX for the base of our letter
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I am from China and I'm glad to sign the petition, I think almost all P6 users in China would be glad to join the petition,too. Please let me know if you need me to do something for this. Sorry for my English

BeyondTheHorizon said:
You can't force someone to do something. All you need to do is ask.
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Hi, yes I know what you're meaning and I must say the word "force" is not the right one, but the Treadstarter used this.
I don't want to force them, I only want to show them that their customers aren't happy with them not releasing their sources.
Asking would be my first way, but every of my letters to Huawei wasn't answered. (And I didn't wrote only one message.