This is for people like me (Verizon/AT&T) who are concerned with the recent trend with these companies to make the bootloader harder to get into than Ft. Knox on the GS5.
I'm on an HTC One XL and have tried to catch up a little but for those coming from the G2 to the G3 are you concerned about the inablity to flash custom kernals? From what I gathered the exploit was to downgrade firmware to pre 4.4.2 in order to gain access and seeing how the G3 won't know anything other than 4.4.2 is there reason to be concerned that there won't be any rooting?
I wouldn't mind about not having immediate kernel/ROM support, all I want is root and the ability to tether!
geoff5093 said:
I wouldn't mind about not having immediate kernel/ROM support, all I want is root and the ability to tether!
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I agree 100% I've been a Samsung guy for a while now, but the inability to even root Verizon's S5 is turning me away. Give me the ability to root, remove bloat and make subtle adjustments at my discretion and I'm happy. To be able to flash ROMs and kernels and I'm that much happier!
Same, all I want is tether!!
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Mods, There is a similar thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2764187 maybe merge the two? I wasn't sure which to post this in but,
Coming off 2 generations of HTC phones and leaning toward the G3, I'm wondering about updates after root. With HTC, if you rooted your phone you had to use a custom ROM, even if it was a stock custom ROM to ever get updates. If you over the air updated, you could loose root. Is that how it would work with LG? What would be the point of rooting an LG if you can't unlock the bootloader? Would you be stuck with a rooted phone that never receives any updates?
flyhighx said:
Mods, There is a similar thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2764187 maybe merge the two? I wasn't sure which to post this in but,
Coming off 2 generations of HTC phones and leaning toward the G3, I'm wondering about updates after root. With HTC, if you rooted your phone you had to use a custom ROM, even if it was a stock custom ROM to ever get updates. If you over the air updated, you could loose root. Is that how it would work with LG? What would be the point of rooting an LG if you can't unlock the bootloader? Would you be stuck with a rooted phone that never receives any updates?
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Thats how it worked with the LG Flex; if you were rooted, you have to restore to factory stock, then get the update...fortunately, you could root while on 4.2, then get the OTA update to 4.4. But there is no custom recovery and no roms for 4.4, so at this point, there is zero dev going on for that phone, except what might be going on behind the scenes..
The G3 should be more popular, so hopefully with more people working on bypassing the LG security scheme, it might not be as horrible; but we waited 6 months from release to just get root, so who knows..
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Thats how it worked with the LG Flex; if you were rooted, you have to restore to factory stock, then get the update...fortunately, you could root while on 4.2, then get the OTA update to 4.4. But there is no custom recovery and no roms for 4.4, so at this point, there is zero dev going on for that phone, except what might be going on behind the scenes..
The G3 should be more popular, so hopefully with more people working on bypassing the LG security scheme, it might not be as horrible; but we waited 6 months from release to just get root, so who knows..
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have you looked in the development threads there are custom recoveries and 4.4 roms and the develpment for the g2 is alive and kicking not sure where you are coming from
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have you looked in the development threads there are custom recoveries and 4.4 roms and the develpment for the g2 is alive and kicking not sure where you are coming from
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here's where I am coming from..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g-flex
ah i see its a little quieter in the gflex section in g2 there are loads of custom stuff i initially thought you were on a g2 my fault for not looking at your sig properly! im sure it will get much better in time the g2 was very quiet for a while untill everyone realised what a good phone it is.it takes time for workarounds and there will be problems but stick with it as the g flex is a great phone.
im on a ukd802 g2
g3 theme and icons
4.4.2 g flex rom (cloudyfa's 2.3 )
savocas latest kernel
hid3rs ui quick settings mod,exposed.
a "little" quieter?
no roms, no recovery,(for kitkat), and the phone has been out 7 months...
the dev's who have tried just cant get that phone to co operate; hopefully, since that was the "latest" LG flagship, whatever measures they used to make it impossible to mod, will NOT be used in the G3..
getting root on the LG G2 has never really been an issue. The bootloader has never been unlocked but it has been bypassed so flashing roms / kernels is not a problem. I would predict that the LG G3 will be similar. But the problem has been that most AOSP ROM's have had issues (and the AOSP camera just sucks) and while i have tried several, I kept coming back to stock G2 ROM Derivatives with xposd, hotspot hacks and nova launcher. I need a stable phone with a good camera (got two kids and my phone is main source of pics / videos) and a hacked hotspot (I am on Verizon w/unlimited data and would need to pay for tethering) more than anything.
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getting root on the LG G2 has never really been an issue. The bootloader has never been unlocked but it has been bypassed so flashing roms / kernels is not a problem. I would predict that the LG G3 will be similar. But the problem has been that most AOSP ROM's have had issues (and the AOSP camera just sucks) and while i have tried several, I kept coming back to stock G2 ROM Derivatives with xposd, hotspot hacks and nova launcher. I need a stable phone with a good camera (got two kids and my phone is main source of pics / videos) and a hacked hotspot (I am on Verizon w/unlimited data and would need to pay for tethering) more than anything.
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I'm not completely sure but I think you need the bootloader to be unlocked to flash custom kernels. I could be wrong though.
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@puothy have you tried houstonn's PA its buttery smooth really fast and battery life is amazing. You should check it out it is the most stable ROM out there for the g2
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I'm not completely sure but I think you need the bootloader to be unlocked to flash custom kernels. I could be wrong though.
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@puothy have you tried houstonn's PA its buttery smooth really fast and battery life is amazing. You should check it out it is the most stable ROM out there for the g2
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Bootloader is locked, however loki bypasses the bootloader which allows for custom ROMs/kernels.
puothy said:
getting root on the LG G2 has never really been an issue. The bootloader has never been unlocked but it has been bypassed so flashing roms / kernels is not a problem. I would predict that the LG G3 will be similar.
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Bootloader is locked, however loki bypasses the bootloader which allows for custom ROMs/kernels.
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For the G2, LG patched the loki exploit for Kit Kat. Therefore, the only way to get custom recovery and custom kernels for Kit Kat on the G2 is to downgrade the bootloader to a loki-susceptible one (ie: from Jellybean). The Kit Kat bootloader has not been unlocked. This works for the G2 because it previously had a loki-susceptible bootloader.
But the G3 will never have had a bootloader that can be exploited by loki that can be downgraded to, so so far it doesn't look too good. Looks like root can be achieved, but the real question is custom recovery/kernels/etc.
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For the G2, LG patched the loki exploit for Kit Kat. Therefore, the only way to get custom recovery and custom kernels for Kit Kat on the G2 is to downgrade the bootloader to a loki-susceptible one (ie: from Jellybean). The Kit Kat bootloader has not been unlocked. This works for the G2 because it previously had a loki-susceptible bootloader.
But the G3 will never have had a bootloader that can be exploited by loki that can be downgraded to, so so far it doesn't look too good. Looks like root can be achieved, but the real question is custom recovery/kernels/etc.
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They have looked at the bootloader and said it looks the same as the one in the g2 and flex .... They can probably patch it like they have
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Hi
As title says I am toying with the idea of updating my ROM from stock 4.1.1
Although I am happy with its overall performance I would like to know from other people what they felt were the main difference when they changed ROMs
I would love to get rid of all the bloatware and have the new camera app with 4.2
also...read somewhere that 4.2 will be available OTA in the new year but what the hell, people root out of the box so it can't be all that bad
All advice welcome thank you for your time
Cheers
Lee
If all you want to do is remove bloatware, all you need to do is root. You can install some of the 4.2 apps without rooting either.
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You don't need to use a Custom rom really.
I got my Note 2 since yesterday and I'm really happy with stock performance (and I was coming from a SGS3).
I just powered it with root and XposedFramework with call recording and multiwindow modules.
I don't know only few devs are doing their mods with xposedframework...
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If you want to tweak and customise it then go for a custom ROM.
Otherwise, if you just want to remove pre-installed apps then just root it and stay on stock as D3 suggested.
Ok so rooting is a must, would I still get updates OTA if I am rooted? maybe for now I can just uninstall bloatware and install the camera app until 4.2 is released
Going to give this a whirl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RpWHDFAEs
I went that way with my Note I, and was so addicted to it that I didn't rest until I bricked it, of course it was entirely my fault alone but will never take that root again.
So my 64 million dollar advice is no, I will most patiently wait for the stock ROM.
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Ok so rooting is a must, would I still get updates OTA if I am rooted? maybe for now I can just uninstall bloatware and install the camera app until 4.2 is released
Going to give this a whirl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RpWHDFAEs
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I dunno about OTA. I rooted and flashed custom within about 2hrs of getting my Note 2
Put it this way though...any updates, fixes or features included in new official firmware will always be included in the latest stock ROMs, often even before the official stock appears as many XDA devs have industry insiders who often leak f/w early.
Easiest way to root and install a custom recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1923956
hagba said:
I went that way with my Note I, and was so addicted to it that I didn't rest until I bricked it, of course it was entirely my fault alone but will never take that root again.
So my 64 million advice is no, I will most patiently wait for the stock ROM.
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All soft-bricks are fixable... don't let it put you off enjoying the vast array of awesome custom ROMs available for Note 2. Just be sure to always have a back-up handy, and to always read the instructions as many times as it takes for them to be clear in your mind :good:
If you have to ask then no.
This PSA was sent Flow style from my Note 2 N-7100
Been using droids for too long now, and I've tried them all. So my 128 million dollar answer will be, NO.
I'm never opening my door to welcome whole world of problems, bugs, frustrations.
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jujuburi said:
Been using droids for too long now, and I've tried them all. So my 128 million dollar answer will be, NO.
I'm never opening my door to welcome whole world of problems, bugs, frustrations.
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You must be flashing the wrong ROMs
I've been doing this a long time too, on lots of different phones and rarely have any bugs or frustrations, certaininly nothing that isn't usually A/ apparent on stock f/w too or B/ fixed within hours/days by the ROM devs. I wouldn't say I'm a flashaholic though, I tend to find a ROM that works well then use it for a few weeks with the odd kernel swap until the next major release, usually a new base, then I'll monitor the threads for a few days to see what issues others are having and see if it's worth my while updating. I guess that's half the fun for me though and I understand some people simplay can't be bothered with it. Each to their own :good:
The good thing about Note 2 is it has good stock and cutom ROMs so you're going to have a good experience either way
I'd echo citizenlees comments. The stock rom is pretty good.
I'm a relative new comer, and I'm in the process of mixing up ROMS And kernels. And I have to say it's been fun trying new things and seeing how they work for you. My battery life now is mega! And that's only from tinkering.
Make sure your back up is solid depending on which recovery version you use.
I've had to use the recovery method when things have gone pear shaped, but all good now.
Have fun and explore in small steps.
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you need to have root to enjoy your android phone to full...for ex: to include all apps in multiview, etc..........but when you have rooted the note2, there is no way you get OTA updates...they are also far and few..you need to update by flashing the official new firmware using odin, when it is made available, usually 2-3 months later than the leak....and you would again lose root...so you again have to root......(unlike my asus tablet, where i can restore root without problem and i get OTA updates despite being rooted..and i am using stock rom on it...asus is fast on updates and fixes)
so think about it, ...you may as well flash custom roms (most are close to stock on the note2 ...just debloated, rooted with all tweaks and mods pre-installed) and enjoy all tweaks and updates earlier.
just read instructions carefully, no problems
The stock firmware is wonderful. I myself got my note yesterday and I am planning to just root and debloat it. I would advise the same.
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i'm more than satisfied with fully stock ROM ( with disabling bloatwares )
just playing with kernels
Im using it stock (4.1.2 official) + root + cwm (to flash some mods for odex roms...) .. And i enjoy it.. THe only thing i miss are those mods for notification toggles, as i cant get them to work on odexed 4.1.2...
Rest is totally fine...
And for the OTA. you dont need to wait for ota.. Just follow xda and, when next official version comes out (4.2) just flash it via odin
EFCLEE said:
...and have the new camera app with 4.2
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If quality don't matter, 4.2 camera isn't close to Samsung's firmware camera. Just something to consider.
Device belong to us..not samsung anymore. Unlease the power!
Update....
hence forth with cm10.1 and gapps-jb was a pleasant experience I have to say.
on boot chose not to do a full synch with gmail, sweet that it re-downloads all ur apps but on this occasion thought best not to
camera didnt have sphere!! so i flash it with 4camnex2 so now I have 2 camera icons in my app draw one that has no sphere and one that fails to load!! hmm
also keyboard doesnt have any number across the top, I was sooo used to this previous now its just a bind having to press 123 button
on the whole I am still glad I upgraded to 4.2
am I right that I could re-flash with an official ROM and revert back to OTA updates?
Any advice on tweaks wit this would be most welcome
Cheers
Lee
Hi,
I’m waiting for my LG G Pad 8.3 (still in the mail, should be here by the end of the week!!!) and I have a few questions about it. I plan to root it but I would like to know a few things before doing this as I’m not an expert with “rooting devices”…
1) If I root the device but not install any custom ROM or custom Recovery, will I still receive the automatic OTA update from LG? Of what I understood, if you don’t modify any “system” files, install custom ROM or Recovery, you should be able to get OTA update?
2) If I decide to install a custom ROM/Recovery and then want to go back to the stock ROM, Is it available for download? I checked (quickly) on the forum and I didn't see any link to download it (stock ROM from LG).
Thanks in advance!
PParent said:
Hi,
I’m waiting for my LG G Pad 8.3 (still in the mail, should be here by the end of the week!!!) and I have a few questions about it. I plan to root it but I would like to know a few things before doing this as I’m not an expert with “rooting devices”…
1) If I root the device but not install any custom ROM or custom Recovery, will I still receive the automatic OTA update from LG? Of what I understood, if you don’t modify any “system” files, install custom ROM or Recovery, you should be able to get OTA update?
2) If I decide to install a custom ROM/Recovery and then want to go back to the stock ROM, Is it available for download? I checked (quickly) on the forum and I didn't see any link to download it (stock ROM from LG).
Thanks in advance!
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1)you probably can not update ota on stock rooted fw. I had asked the same question to the developer of the root method for our devices and this is what he had said:
dalingrin said:
My suggestion, if you want to keep root don't take an OTA.
If you really want to stay with stock LG then you'll want to flash updates via custom recovery. The community will take the updates from LG and make them flashable with TWRP or CWM.
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2)in this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2554121 there are 2 methods to unbrick the gpad and revert back to full stock, both rom and recovery
katsika said:
1)you probably can not update ota on stock rooted fw. I had asked the same question to the developer of the root method for our devices and this is what he had said:
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Thanks for your reply! If the update from LG will be available for download so I can flash it, this work with me! I might not keep the stock ROM too... I never had an android device from LG so I'm not sure how it look like... If there is too much bloatware (like Samsung), I won't keep it.
katsika said:
2)in this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2554121 there are 2 methods to unbrick the gpad and revert back to full stock, both rom and recovery
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Just to make sure... Stock Kernel = Stock ROM? So the "LG G Pad Sock Kernel.img" is the latest version of the stock ROM from LG?
PParent said:
Thanks for your reply! If the update from LG will be available for download so I can flash it, this work with me! I might not keep the stock ROM too... I never had an android device from LG so I'm not sure how it look like... If there is too much bloatware (like Samsung), I won't keep it.
Just to make sure... Stock Kernel = Stock ROM? So the "LG G Pad Sock Kernel.img" is the latest version of the stock ROM from LG?
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There is too much bloatware in this tablet just like the Samsung ones. In my opinion the stock rom is worthy if you want maximum stability or you need the lg apps.
No, kernel with rom are different things, google rom vs kernel. The stock kernel is for people who have flashed custom kernels and want to revert back to stock. If you look in the original android development section of these forums you ll see that there are 2 custom kernels and more custom roms available for our tablet atm.
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There is too much bloatware in this tablet just like the Samsung ones. In my opinion the stock rom is worthy if you want maximum stability or you need the lg apps.
No, kernel with rom are different things, google rom vs kernel. The stock kernel is for people who have flashed custom kernels and want to revert back to stock. If you look in the original android development section of these forums you ll see that there are 2 custom kernels and more custom roms available for our tablet atm.
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Thanks for the info! I'm not very familiar with this but I'm getting there! I'm reading related post/subject (rooting device) on the xda-developers forum so this help me a lot! I should receive my tablet tomorrow or Thursday so I'll test/inspect it to make sure everything is ok with it and than try to root it.
Did you root yours? Are you using a custom ROM on it?
PParent said:
Thanks for the info! I'm not very familiar with this but I'm getting there! I'm reading related post/subject (rooting device) on the xda-developers forum so this help me a lot! I should receive my tablet tomorrow or Thursday so I'll test/inspect it to make sure everything is ok with it and than try to root it.
Did you root yours? Are you using a custom ROM on it?
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I had rooted it when dalingrin released the adb root method as I couldn't trust the kingo root method. Adaway and titanium backup are some of the top apps but these apps need root. Also you won't be able to move apps or games to SD without root. I flashed cyanogen mod 11 some days ago and I'm totally satisfied with it. The gpad became faster, with more ram available and with less battery consumption.
katsika said:
I had rooted it when dalingrin released the adb root method as I couldn't trust the kingo root method. Adaway and titanium backup are some of the top apps but these apps need root. Also you won't be able to move apps or games to SD without root. I flashed cyanogen mod 11 some days ago and I'm totally satisfied with it. The gpad became faster, with more ram available and with less battery consumption.
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I'll use the root method of dalingrin then! I installed CM on my old device and I liked it so I might test it on my G Pad! There is no big issues with it? I know that it still in "Nightlies status so it might not be "stable". I'm looking forward to receive my G Pad!
PParent said:
I'll use the root method of dalingrin then! I installed CM on my old device and I liked it so I might test it on my G Pad! There is no big issues with it? I know that it still in "Nightlies status so it might not be "stable". I'm looking forward to receive my G Pad!
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CM runs stable on G Pad as of now. Very few features are lacking and you can check the CM thread nad if you have half an hour to spare you can go through the change log as well.
For the love of God, do not mistake a rom for a kernel. And remember that a kernel is usually made for a specific ROM. Kernels will improve performance on specific ROM's.. And enable new features under the hood and so on. But if you install a stock kernel onto a CM rom, it would be like filling a car with the wrong fuel and it would most likely get stuck in bootloop until you reflash a compatible kernel. - As stated above there are 2 custom kernels, one is ported for a few of the custom roms.. The other one as far as I know is pretty empty atm. and is aiming at becoming Play Edition-"like", I don't remember for what ROM. On certain mainstream devices you will find many a kernel and usually something that will suit your needs. Perhaps this will happen with the G Pad at some point.
Good luck on your rooting adventures and feel free to ask anything if you hit a wall at some point.
I received my G Pad yesterday! I rooted it by using the “dalingrin” method, installed TWRP and then CM11 (the stock ROM had too much bloatware for me!). Everything worked without any issue so now I can enjoy my new toys! I was hesitating between the Nexus 7 and the G Pad and I’m very happy that I chose the G Pad!
Thanks again for your replies/help guys!
PParent said:
I received my G Pad yesterday! I rooted it by using the “dalingrin” method, installed TWRP and then CM11 (the stock ROM had too much bloatware for me!). Everything worked without any issue so now I can enjoy my new toys! I was hesitating between the Nexus 7 and the G Pad and I’m very happy that I chose the G Pad!
Thanks again for your replies/help guys!
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I told you that it has too much bloatware, you did the right thing! I was also balancing between nexus 7 fhd and gpad and i picked the gpad for its 8.3" screen.
In the hopes that this question may help others and not seeing this question being remotely asked from what i searched, Is it recommended to update to 4.4.2 KitKat or should I wait it out?
additional questions:
- is it better to flash it if i root my note 3? (MI7)
- should i root the note 3 at it's current version (4.3) and just stick to the roms currently available for it?
- most importantly, if i were to do the ota for 4.4.2 and root (with knox tripped) will i still be able to flash roms based on 4.4.2 (like cyanogenmod) without much problem?
things to know:
- I'm aware that installing the 4.4.2 update means i won't be able to revert back to 4.3.
- Mostly aware of the fact that a recovery is present for 4.4.2
- Not entirely sure if t-mobile locks their bootloaders on the new update. Some people on the forums hint that it's not locked but never really found a straight answer.
- Done a lot of forum digging but willing to search more if need be.
sincere apologies if my question sounds absurd and preposterous, however any answer is appreciated.
People have slightly mixed feelings on the update, but from what I'm seeing their mostly regretting taking the OTA or Odin flash and missing 4.3 JB. Though the new bootloader is not locked it would be better for you to just remain on 4.3 until devs can provide more support and information on the 4.4.2 official update. Besides as long as your on 4.3 you can still flash 4.4.2 roms and 4.3 roms you just need to follow instructions on the devs op. I myself opted to wait it out simply because my phone is flawless the way it is on 4.3 and there was not enough reason why 4.4.2 was a must have update, even if it was I still would have waited for the devs to do their thing first.
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Yeah I want to upgrade because I heard they fixed the AVRCP and I use it a lot, I was so pissed that samsung botched that when the note 3 came out. Now I hear that all the music apps can send meta data now.
If you cherish tethering, do not update.
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The short answer is no, and the long answer is hell no.
TWEAKED ROM has an update that stops the over-the-air (OTA) update. It's a separate zip with the mini-update.
Purest said:
Yeah I want to upgrade because I heard they fixed the AVRCP and I use it a lot, I was so pissed that samsung botched that when the note 3 came out. Now I hear that all the music apps can send meta data now.
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While not exactly the same, "The More You Know...": http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/13/n...tadata-can-reveal-everything-about-your-life/
I finally took the plunge and rooted 4.3 and did the kitkat update while maintaining root so I can use the sd card write fix. My thoughts, is there is no advantage to kitkat but more disadvantages. I still get the occasional stutter and lag which rarely happened on JB so I broke even on that.
But I'm using Nova launcher and now home button does not take me to my default home screen. So I have to swipe to home screen since I have a folder in there for certain apps and games. Also the animation now just starts from the center when opening app from home screen.
The other issue is I use a samsung Gear and have it set to automatically unlock my phone when it's near it. But now I lost the ripple effect. I just get the lock icon with the 4 directional arrow around it.
There's also a slight battery drain. When I updated I didn't lose anything nor have I added any apps. Still trying to determine the cause on this one.
The worse part is I can't use foxfi anymore as it hasn't been updated to work with tmobile note3. Luckily I'm rooted so hopefully I can't find another way like Trev's wifi tethering.
If I could go back I would. I was pretty happy with JB unrooted. But I wanted to see if my signal would get better. I get an extra bar but when I go to see the signal status, it's still -115db when I'm at work.
The only thing I'm enjoying is finally I have root again which I could've done on JB. Being able to use titanium backup and LMT Pie again is awesome. I should've rooted sooner.
skullstrider said:
In the hopes that this question may help others and not seeing this question being remotely asked from what i searched, Is it recommended to update to 4.4.2 KitKat or should I wait it out?
additional questions:
- is it better to flash it if i root my note 3? (MI7)
- should i root the note 3 at it's current version (4.3) and just stick to the roms currently available for it?
- most importantly, if i were to do the ota for 4.4.2 and root (with knox tripped) will i still be able to flash roms based on 4.4.2 (like cyanogenmod) without much problem?
things to know:
- I'm aware that installing the 4.4.2 update means i won't be able to revert back to 4.3.
- Mostly aware of the fact that a recovery is present for 4.4.2
- Not entirely sure if t-mobile locks their bootloaders on the new update. Some people on the forums hint that it's not locked but never really found a straight answer.
- Done a lot of forum digging but willing to search more if need be.
sincere apologies if my question sounds absurd and preposterous, however any answer is appreciated.
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Personally, for me, I feel that the KitKat update was beneficial in regards to battery life, and overall stability with ne6. The developers are obviously concentrating their efforts on the latest of updates. I recommend tweaked ROM as the features are endless, and the developer is a higher skilled one, unlike many that around. The boot loader are indeed not locked, and if you update to ne6 the latest KitKat, if you wanted you could back flash to nb4 kit kat, firmware and all, or just flash a nb4 based ROM in normal recovery, both work. Asop ROMs you will have no issue running either, as they are all unified, and are also based on KitKat.. Tethering, if you want the tethering i suggest a ROM, such as tweaked, and you will have that as well. Their are a lot of benefits man to updating, some may disagree, but their updates for a reason, stability, battery, modem, partitions, just an overall better experience. If you want a solid KitKat experience the way touch wiz should have been, with some awesome themes check out Wally's themes in the theme section and go ahead and hit me up for a tweaked alpha, or join the irc channel within dwitherells thread itself. Super helpful people. Willing to lend a hand. Good luck man.
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BenGentle said:
The short answer is no, and the long answer is hell no.
TWEAKED ROM has an update that stops the over-the-air (OTA) update. It's a separate zip with the mini-update.
While not exactly the same, "The More You Know...": http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/13/n...tadata-can-reveal-everything-about-your-life/
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I'm not quite sure what your talking about, but once you are rooted, and your device status is modified you automatically won't get the otas. Not just tweaked, but any ROM, including stock rooted.
It seems beneficial to you since you're using custom rom. I'm on kitkat rooted but knox has not been tripped and still "official" so I'm not gonna put custom rom and break warranty. I can still unroot.
My understanding is even if you have custom recovery you can't go back to 4.3 if your bootloader is upgraded to 4.4.
So for now my recommendation for anyone thinking of upgrading is stick to 4.3. Specially if you are running stock or just rooted.
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Still running 4.3 with Embryo ROM and runs flawless!
Don't update, run an aosp 4.4.3 ROM on your 4.3 boot loader, nuff said
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Don't update, run an aosp 4.4.3 ROM on your 4.3 boot loader, nuff said
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how can you do this? Im currently stock rooted 4.3 MI7 with knox 0x0. I thought you needed to update the bootloader to flash any 4.4 rom? If not, can I flash a rom using Mobile Odin Pro or safestrap or something without installing a custom recovery or kernel? Or do I pretty much have to trip knox to flash a 4.4 custom rom and keep the 4.3 bootloader?
Hello, I've recently bought a LG G3 Korean model F400s . I successfully rooted, install recovery and then went for the latest build of xposed modules.
So, now that I have some "freedom", is it possible to flash an European .kdz on my device?I say European because they are similar on specs apart from the extra ram for the Korean model.
It could also be an US .kdz if it's working...anything but Korean. I would like stock .kdz in any case.
I'm willing to try anything really and not afraid to brick it.
Hi,
No, you can't flash a EU KDZ on your device.
I'll recommended to find a custom Rom suitable for your device.
I think Cloudy had an specific Rom suitable for your device.
Regards
Thanks for your reply. Could you recommend a Rom based on stock heavily. A stock Rom?
CloudyG3, SlickROM, XtraLite
Is it possible to flash one of these and then into it so that I can use my banking app?
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AP0ll0UK said:
Is it possible to flash one of these and then into it so that I can use my banking app?
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Can you explain? Sorry, but your question doesnt make sense..
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Can you explain? Sorry, but your question doesnt make sense..
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Apologies, what I meant was can any of the above mentioned roms be installed and then can the rom be unrooted.
The reason I cant have a rooted rom is because my banking app that I regularly use won't run on a rooted device.
I have an F400s and rom updates are few and far between. Their are some niggles with the current official LG rom such as problems with dropped calls, but because it's an F400s I can't exactly ring LG and complain because the phone is an import.
I'd like to run a custom rom that has decent support but I need to be unrooted for my banking app.
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Did you try to use Root Cloak to hide root from your banking app?
Otherwise, if you flash the non-rooted ROM you lose root again..
I read some threads a while ago which suggested that the Barclays Mobile Banking rom originally worked with Root Cloak but then didn't answer never versions of the banking app were released.
I might try flashing another Rom and try Root Cloak for myself, but to be honest I don't 'need' root these days to be honest.
Out of the roms mentioned above, is there one in particular which you would recommend?
CloudyG3 is probably the best when starting off as it's the least modified.
SlickROM is the smallest in size so is probably the most optimized.
Though, if you don't care about the camera, BlissPop or Resurrection Remix offer the most customisability & performance..
Thank you for your advice.
Typical though, the thread I'm reading through at the moment isn't one that's on your list. What do you think of XtraLite?
....Under their feature list I'm trying to find out what the 'LTE / 4G Mod' is.
I haven't used it myself..
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I haven't used it myself..
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That doesn't inspire me to use it then. You obviously know a lot more about the current roms than I do hence I'll probably go with Cloudy.
I've rooted and used custom roms from the G1 right up to getting my Nexus 4 but it's just not something I've down with my G3 F400s but I feel like I should having had it for a year now.
Which rom are you running at the moment?
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I think it would be safer to flash Cloudy first, as either XtraLite or SlickROM need a 20P ROM to be flashed first. Can't remember which one tho.
The only downside with Cloudy is that you have to flash the CTT mod after, as its are not built in...
I flashed Cloudy on mine, only received it a week ago via Aliexpress, and it's going great, but will probably try both XtraLite & SlickROM in the next few weeks to check the differences
Happy flashing
I flashed both XtraLite & SlickROM, and must say I prefer XtraLite.
The DPI fits better
Been perusing the forums and I've seen a few anecdotal opinions on using one or the other, but not enough to catch a trend. Have we arrived at a consensus?
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PD1 is the better of the two but still not without its flaws. Both run hot and kill battery life but PF3 is the buggier of the two. So far, nothing beat the original KitKat 4.4.4 build but the January 5.1.1 update, BOK3, is the best of the recent batch for battery life & reception.
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PD1 is the better of the two but still not without its flaws. Both run hot and kill battery life but PF3 is the buggier of the two. So far, nothing beat the original KitKat 4.4.4 build but the January 5.1.1 update, BOK3, is the best of the recent batch for battery life & reception.
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I sure do agree that they run hot especially withe GPS and/or hotspot active. So, confirming, with what you have have seen using the PD1 kernel for marshmallow is best? Can BOK3 be used for marshmallow or do I have to have a MM kernel for marshmallow; I would assume that.
I assume this is only for the kernel and the bootloader should stay at BPA/BPD with the safe update according to @hsbadr.
Finally, I have been thinking of trying out a kitkat rom and a lollipop rom on my dev'd Retail N910V. Do you think that is possible? I would assume that I need to flash a kitkat kernel and the BPA kernel appropriately. But I can leave my bootloader at BPA1 or BPD1 correct?
Any tips/links for changing roms (kitkat, lollipop, marshmallow) appreciated.
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I sure do agree that they run hot especially withe GPS and/or hotspot active. So, confirming, with what you have have seen using the PD1 kernel for marshmallow is best? Can BOK3 be used for marshmallow or do I have to have a MM kernel for marshmallow; I would assume that.
I assume this is only for the kernel and the bootloader should stay at BPA/BPD with the safe update according to @hsbadr.
Finally, I have been thinking of trying out a kitkat rom and a lollipop rom on my dev'd Retail N910V. Do you think that is possible? I would assume that I need to flash a kitkat kernel and the BPA kernel appropriately. But I can leave my bootloader at BPA1 or BPD1 correct?
Any tips/links for changing roms (kitkat, lollipop, marshmallow) appreciated.
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These are not kernels. They are bootloader/modem combos. I do not think it is wise to flash a Marshmallow modem on a Lollipop bootloader. I would also not be flashing bootloaders when I don't know what I'm doing. There is no instruction on this forum that requires flashing either bootloaders or modems by themselves. If you want a Marshmallow modem you have two options: flash the full firmware, lock your bootloader and lose root, or follow the procedure for upgrading to Marshmallow in the development section. You seem to be confused between the terms "kernel," "bootloader," and "modem." I'd suggest you do a bit of homework to learn the differences before you start flashing anything.
If yours is a true Developer Edition phone, you can peruse the Development section. I'm not aware of any KitKat or Lollipop ROM that is being supported, but most of those ROMS were created when you couldn't unlock a Retail Edition phone.
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These are not kernels. They are bootloader/modem combos. I do not think it is wise to flash a Marshmallow modem on a Lollipop bootloader. I would also not be flashing bootloaders when I don't know what I'm doing. There is no instruction on this forum that requires flashing either bootloaders or modems by themselves. If you want a Marshmallow modem you have two options: flash the full firmware, lock your bootloader and lose root, or follow the procedure for upgrading to Marshmallow in the development section. You seem to be confused between the terms "kernel," "bootloader," and "modem." I'd suggest you do a bit of homework to learn the differences before you start flashing anything.
If yours is a true Developer Edition phone, you can peruse the Development section. I'm not aware of any KitKat or Lollipop ROM that is being supported, but most of those ROMS were created when you couldn't unlock a Retail Edition phone.
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Thank you for your response and concern. I have been flashing roms and items for nearly 6 years. I accidentially late last night flashed a bootloader when I was trying to flash a modem. I made a mistake. On the safestrap Verizon Note 3 N900V we often changed modems because some thought they saw better reception (placebo?) and they all worked even with the latest roms. Sometimes partial firmware flashes combines two of these items.
Mine is not an original developer edition. I take your's is. I will take your advice and peruse the development area. Even if unsupported it seems that some of the kitkat roms may have been the most stable. Just had an interaction from another person with a dev edition on that.
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Thank you for your response and concern. I have been flashing roms and items for nearly 6 years. I accidentially late last night flashed a bootloader when I was trying to flash a modem. I made a mistake. On the safestrap Verizon Note 3 N900V we often changed modems because some thought they saw better reception (placebo?) and they all worked even with the latest roms. Sometimes partial firmware flashes combines two of these items.
Mine is not an original developer edition. I take your's is. I will take your advice and peruse the development area. Even if unsupported it seems that some of the kitkat roms may have been the most stable. Just had an interaction from another person with a dev edition on that.
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Mine is an unlocked Retail Edition. My concern was that there are too many people here that flash stuff indiscriminately when they don't know what they're doing then think someone else can bail them out of their jam.
I've been on two HTC phones and the S4 and none of them required goofing with bootloaders. The Note 4 is unique in my experience because there's a bootloader for each edition of Android. I'm not a developer but I suspect that is part of Samsung's effort to lock the thing down.
My experience with the rooted Note 4 is from Lollipop up. I can't help you with regards to your desire to flash KitKat. I don't know if you'll need a KitKat bootloader or not. Almost all of the "old timers" are gone to greener pastures. You can still dig around that subforum. You can also go here, but you'll be on your own getting carrier data and perhaps wifi to work.
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Been perusing the forums and I've seen a few anecdotal opinions on using one or the other, but not enough to catch a trend. Have we arrived at a consensus?
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My problem with PD1 was that I could only get bluetooth to work up to a distance of about five feet or so. PF3 seemed to fix that. Otherwise, I've noticed no other difference.
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Mine is an unlocked Retail Edition. My concern was that there are too many people here that flash stuff indiscriminately when they don't know what they're doing then think someone else can bail them out of their jam.
I've been on two HTC phones and the S4 and none of them required goofing with bootloaders. The Note 4 is unique in my experience because there's a bootloader for each edition of Android. I'm not a developer but I suspect that is part of Samsung's effort to lock the thing down.
My experience with the rooted Note 4 is from Lollipop up. I can't help you with regards to your desire to flash KitKat. I don't know if you'll need a KitKat bootloader or not. Almost all of the "old timers" are gone to greener pastures. You can still dig around that subforum. You can also go here, but you'll be on your own getting carrier data and perhaps wifi to work.
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My problem with PD1 was that I could only get bluetooth to work up to a distance of about five feet or so. PF3 seemed to fix that. Otherwise, I've noticed no other difference.
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Yes Samsung is different and I have the retail like you. I've rooted rommed and kernel Droid, three HTCs, the Note 3, and now the Note 4.
I agree that people need to be careful.
I have successfully re unlocked the bootloader, and I have flashed a kitkat rom. Before or after the flash a person would need to flash the ANJ kernel and modem. Either missing will cause a boot loop. Things are working nicely. We'll see if I end up on kitkat or marshmallow. I had my Note 3 so honed with Amplify, Greenify, and the AllianceROM that marshmallow may not add that much for me.
Yes, I've looked at the snapdragon area as well. So many things to try but I just don't have the time.