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[Q] DHD 720p - 1080p

Hey Everyone
Just woundering with the new HTC's that are coming out, They all have 1080p recording with a 8 megapixel camera, would this mean that our DHD camera should be able to record at 1080p as cant the desire record in 720p yet it didnt come with the feture when released.
Sorry if this has already been asked I searched but couldn't find anything in the DHD forum
Thanks

Well the 1080p capture is supported by the new chipset. The one in the DHD is slightly older and can only encode 720p max. So no i don't think it's possible for the DHD to record 1080p.

The latest HTC Sensation got Dualcore processor 1.2ghz for each core. Which was comparatively more powerful than our DHD. So it can capture 1080p. I don't think its possible for our DHD.
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I don't get why people want higher resolution video recording, it doesn't really improve picture quality. What I think needs improvement is colors, lowlight recording and less image noise.

Jap, 1080p is just not possible because chipsets can't encode it, and DHD camera lens are not for that, and anyway do you need that 1080p? 800x480 are good enaught for a PC and TV,

The camera chip itself supports 1080p video recording. the problem is the processor which can't handle the high resolution.

Hawks556 said:
I don't get why people want higher resolution video recording, it doesn't really improve picture quality. What I think needs improvement is colors, lowlight recording and less image noise.
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It was more curiosity than anything as just woundering if our phone was just held back or it was software.
on a diferent note I was reading about the new htc phone and they said its the new flagship phone which does that mean ours has been dropped as the flagship model as does that really matter?
Thanks

Does 1080p video look better than 4k from the G4 camera?

From my understanding, 4k video from the G4 has very low bitrate. I took two comparison videos on my phone, 1080p vs 4k, and it seems like the 1080p looks quite a bit better. Anyone know the bitrate comparisons between the two?
I'm wondering if it's wise to just keep my video settings set to record only 1080p and not even bother with 4k.

To me the 4k looks better then 1080p...
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4k looks better than the 1080p, but the 4k still doesn't look great on my 4k monitor on my computer. The computer has lots of pixelization, and playback looks like borderline buffering. The computer has plenty of horsepower too.

Does we have any advantage from playing 2160p - 1440p videos on 1080p display

Firstly sorry for very basic question ;D.
I have seen some guys playing 4k (2160p) videos on youtube, but does this videos looks better then 2k (1080 p) videos, even if the display resolution is 2k only ?
I am asking because im watching from time to time vr videos, but the quality isn't really good with 2k videos.

No advantage. If this was true, then what was the need of making 4K display in the first place

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but maybe if the video has black lines on the side and you zoom in then you would have an advantage with 4k ?

Danny94 said:
@hp5942
but maybe if the video has black lines on the side and you zoom in then you would have an advantage with 4k ?
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Maybe. But if you are not zooming, then 4K has no advantage on 1080p screen

Danny94 said:
Firstly sorry for very basic question ;D.
I have seen some guys playing 4k (2160p) videos on youtube, but does this videos looks better then 2k (1080 p) videos, even if the display resolution is 2k only ?
I am asking because im watching from time to time vr videos, but the quality isn't really good with 2k videos.
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I think this can help you https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.xd...watch-4k-youtube-videos-on-non-4k-phones/amp/

4k movies in lenovo zuk z2 plus
i have lenovo zuk z2 plus. i can play 4k uhd movies easily on this phone. also i can copy above 4gb files easily by connecting with the pc.
i downloaded movie Gravity (2013) UHD 4K Upscaled x264 DTS and watched on my phone. it plays the movies flawlessly. only con is the volume little low apart from that everything is perfect.

Question 4k video worth it over 1080p?

I have been doing some video recordings today and noticed how large the 4k 60fps videos are (about twice as larger as 1080p 60fps recordings).
So I went ahead and did some 1080p recording to compare 4k and 1080p on my 4k LG CX TV.
Tbh, I didn't notice much of a difference.
So I am really wondering if 4k is even worth it considering its file size?

It mostly just depends on the camera used. I guess you used your phone to record. right? Most phones can't do 4K properly, it's just a feature they advertise. If to you 1080p looks fine, I don't see why you would bother with 4K60. Or maybe just try 4K30, in some cases it does end up looking better than 4K60.

i mean twice the size for 4X the resolution is worth it
you need to take into account the finer details and edging in 4K which will show better results.
also most smart tvs including the CX have resolution scaling and other filters to make lower res content look better on 4K panels
also dont forget thats an Oled tv thats gonna look great with whatever you pump into it

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It mostly just depends on the camera used. I guess you used your phone to record. right? Most phones can't do 4K properly, it's just a feature they advertise. If to you 1080p looks fine, I don't see why you would bother with 4K60. Or maybe just try 4K30, in some cases it does end up looking better than 4K60.
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Yes ofcourse I used the phones camera The google pixel 6 pro camera.

Izy said:
i mean twice the size for 4X the resolution is worth it
you need to take into account the finer details and edging in 4K which will show better results.
also most smart tvs including the CX have resolution scaling and other filters to make lower res content look better on 4K panels
also dont forget thats an Oled tv thats gonna look great with whatever you pump into it
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Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S

Utini said:
Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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One advantage would be that you could theoretically crop or zoom the video and still retain acceptable quality on most resolutions on screens. Just like you said, it won't make a big difference on standard FHD displays however it would be noticeable when the video is cropped or zoomed.

Utini said:
Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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i mean by that logic why watch 4k and get 4k tvs in first place. why have a higher res screen.
I mean why get the pro should have got the 1080p panel 6
Theres a lot of content 4K video will shine
even 4k video downsampled to 1080p retains better details than 1080p does.
Sure on a phone screen you wont see the difference but on a tv thats 55inch or higher the gap is noticeably wider its a major difference.
There will be parts you notice also more so. take into the account if you want to focus on specific parts of a video or edit / crop edit
also your content is future proofed
open all the images in seperate tabs to see full resolution.
the latter 2 are 50% res of the original screencaps you can easily see the details are maintained scaled down
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scale down the content even more say 50% of the cropped image and its still noticeable difference

Izy said:
i mean by that logic why watch 4k and get 4k tvs in first place. why have a higher res screen.
I mean why get the pro should have got the 1080p panel 6
Theres a lot of content 4K video will shine
even 4k video downsampled to 1080p retains better details than 1080p does.
Sure on a phone screen you wont see the difference but on a tv thats 55inch or higher the gap is noticeably wider its a major difference.
There will be parts you notice also more so. take into the account if you want to focus on specific parts of a video or edit / crop edit
also your content is future proofed
open all the images in seperate tabs to see full resolution.
the latter 2 are 50% res of the original screencaps you can easily see the details are maintained scaled down
scale down the content even more say 50% of the cropped image and its still noticeable difference
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Real 4k movie content does look surely better on my 4k TV compared to a 1080p TV / content.
But that is real 4k movie material and not google pixel 6 pro 4k video content.
Are your screencaps from recordings done with the google pixel 6 pro?
Because I am talking only about the P6P recordings, not about anything recorder with smth else.

Utini said:
Real 4k movie content does look surely better on my 4k TV compared to a 1080p TV / content.
But that is real 4k movie material and not google pixel 6 pro 4k video content.
Are your screencaps from recordings done with the google pixel 6 pro?
Because I am talking only about the P6P recordings, not about anything recorder with smth else.
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no they were not but the point still stands it was just a prime example
regardless i literally did test videos of still objects in my spare room with text from a distance.
in poor lighting conditions its literally dark and the bulbs ****
literally even look at the portrait still in gallery before you even play the video you could see the text on objects was actually legible and also sharper
if you fail to even notice the difference between 1080 and 4k on your tv you may need your eyes checked.
dont forget theres literally rated seating distances for screen sizes, distant seated and also resolurion of display
the closer you are the better the fine details you see
did you stand up and look or did you sit down and look so you basically looking at like a 20inch display
Sounds like you putting the LG CX to waste
it was the exaxt same situation with people when hd 720p and 1080p came out they coudnt tell difference from sd
also people who think FHD and 4K dont make a difference are the type of people who think you can see above 60fps.
One of these is 4k downscaled the other is 1080p downscaled both also limited to poor lighting conditions

Izy said:
no they were not but the point still stands it was just a prime example
regardless i literally did test videos of still objects in my spare room with text from a distance.
in poor lighting conditions its literally dark and the bulbs ****
literally even look at the portrait still in gallery before you even play the video you could see the text on objects was actually legible and also sharper
if you fail to even notice the difference between 1080 and 4k on your tv you may need your eyes checked.
dont forget theres literally rated seating distances for screen sizes, distant seated and also resolurion of display
the closer you are the better the fine details you see
did you stand up and look or did you sit down and look so you basically looking at like a 20inch display
Sounds like you putting the LG CX to waste
it was the exaxt same situation with people when hd 720p and 1080p came out they coudnt tell difference from sd
also people who think FHD and 4K dont make a difference are the type of people who think you can see above 60fps.
One of these is 4k downscaled the other is 1080p downscaled both also limited to poor lighting conditions
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Okay, then again: This is specific to the google pixel 6 pro.
Yes there is a difference between 4k and 1080p.
Yes there is a difference between 30hz,60hz,120hz.
But it also depends on the source equipment and how it is recorded.
I can use a **** camera to record a video in 4k but it won't look any better than 1080p due the camera being so bad. And this is exactly why I am asking this in regards to the google pixel 6 pro.
How good is the camera in videos really and how big is the difference with it in 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks, I know how to setup my TV. And due to my job I have to test my eyes every year.. still getting highest results :>
But if you can see a difference in the thumbnail of your image gallery, then the placebo is really strong with you.
And again:
There is a difference between 720p,1080p, and 4k.. but:

Utini said:
Okay, then again: This is specific to the google pixel 6 pro.
Yes there is a difference between 4k and 1080p.
Yes there is a difference between 30hz,60hz,120hz.
But it also depends on the source equipment and how it is recorded.
I can use a **** camera to record a video in 4k but it won't look any better than 1080p due the camera being so bad. And this is exactly why I am asking this in regards to the google pixel 6 pro.
How good is the camera in videos really and how big is the difference with it in 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks, I know how to setup my TV. And due to my job I have to test my eyes every year.. still getting highest results :>
But if you can see a difference in the thumbnail of your image gallery, then the placebo is really strong with you.
And again:
There is a difference between 720p,1080p, and 4k.. but:
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Most people who cannot notice a difference either have reduced vision or use a small monitor. I dare everyone that can't make out a difference between 1080p and 4k source material to use a Monitor 40" or bigger. On my LG CX (48") that I use as a monitor the difference is night and day.
It should be noted, though, that the difference is rather minor when video footage has been shot by phones - their sensors are just too small to make out the minute differences, plus they can't take in enough light. If you compare professional video material shot by expensive dedicated gear in 1080p vs 2160p, the difference is HUGE, whilst smartphone camera footage isn't that "obvious".

At the end of the day it's what works for a given person. If 1080p video works then that's a great option, if 4k works then that's a great option.
If the 4k video is really only twice the size then it's because they're being more aggressive in compression. There's no magic bullet to squeeze 4x the data into 2x the space other than throwing data out.
Tangentially related - GoPro's 8/9 and probably 10 set (i.e. limit) the recorded video to 100mbs for higher resolutions. Ergo you get higher quality (less compression) with 4k24 versus 4k30 versus 4k60 because they're all recorded at the same bit rate.
The P6P may have throughput issues that limits just how fast they can write data that results in higher compression in order to reduce the file size at higher resolutions. Or it could be design choice to reduce file use since the most common ones are likely the 128gb versions.
In this case, specifically with the P6P's, the actual end result is that 1080P might be nearly as good as 4K if they're cranking the compression up and loosing the details that are the point of recording in 4k. So bottom line the OP could have a pretty solid case.
I should get mine tomorrow and the holiday coming up should make for some interesting testing.

Ultimoose said:
At the end of the day it's what works for a given person. If 1080p video works then that's a great option, if 4k works then that's a great option.
If the 4k video is really only twice the size then it's because they're being more aggressive in compression. There's no magic bullet to squeeze 4x the data into 2x the space other than throwing data out.
Tangentially related - GoPro's 8/9 and probably 10 set (i.e. limit) the recorded video to 100mbs for higher resolutions. Ergo you get higher quality (less compression) with 4k24 versus 4k30 versus 4k60 because they're all recorded at the same bit rate.
The P6P may have throughput issues that limits just how fast they can write data that results in higher compression in order to reduce the file size at higher resolutions. Or it could be design choice to reduce file use since the most common ones are likely the 128gb versions.
In this case, specifically with the P6P's, the actual end result is that 1080P might be nearly as good as 4K if they're cranking the compression up and loosing the details that are the point of recording in 4k. So bottom line the OP could have a pretty solid case.
I should get mine tomorrow and the holiday coming up should make for some interesting testing.
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1080p30 is 19.8mb/s at 1080p
4k30 is 42.8mbps
1080p60 is 24mb/s
4k60 is 62mb/s
this was at h265
4k30 h264 is only 48mb/s
4k60 h264 is only 72mb/s
h265 uses a main profile @ 6.1
h264 used a high profile
4k60h265 is only 45.2mbs on my galaxy note 9

For me, the question is do you need 60 FPS over 30 FPS? I do 4K because I want the highest resolution I can get but I do 30 FPS because I don't need that smooth look.

Izy said:
1080p30 is 19.8mb/s at 1080p
4k30 is 42.8mbps
1080p60 is 24mb/s
4k60 is 62mb/s
this was at h265
4k30 h264 is only 48mb/s
4k60 h264 is only 72mb/s
h265 uses a main profile @ 6.1
h264 used a high profile
4k60h265 is only 45.2mbs on my galaxy note 9
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That's interesting that the bitrates are on the lower, half the bitrate for 4K30 for example compared to any GP in the last few years. Is this user adjustable is a question.
I'm getting the P6P 512 with the hope that I can ditch the GP's I usually carry. I record VLOG footage during my ultra runs and I carry a phone with me regardless. One less device and its accessories to deal with would be great.
I have a selection of video recorded with my GP 8 and 9's, I can run the same run/route in the same resolution and do an apples to apples comparison of quality. It'll be interesting if nothing else to compare the stabilization quality of each. Hmm, I think I can probably mount both the phone and a GP to the same stick and get direct side by side as well. The wheels are spinning now on how best to compare the final product of each for my needs.

Ultimoose said:
That's interesting that the bitrates are on the lower, half the bitrate for 4K30 for example compared to any GP in the last few years. Is this user adjustable is a question.
I'm getting the P6P 512 with the hope that I can ditch the GP's I usually carry. I record VLOG footage during my ultra runs and I carry a phone with me regardless. One less device and its accessories to deal with would be great.
I have a selection of video recorded with my GP 8 and 9's, I can run the same run/route in the same resolution and do an apples to apples comparison of quality. It'll be interesting if nothing else to compare the stabilization quality of each. Hmm, I think I can probably mount both the phone and a GP to the same stick and get direct side by side as well. The wheels are spinning now on how best to compare the final product of each for my needs.
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could be a heavier encoding profile than standard go pros that and action cams in general usually have a large amount of motion so bitrate is needed to compensate and gopros are generally used professionally so editing etc needs that kind of headroom
my akaso v50x uses the same bitrate roughly at 4k30 as the pixel but is perfectly fine in daytime except its cheapness shows in low light performance

Question Custom Camera Mode - 6K

Question: Why can't the pixel 6 pro shoot in 5-6k? It can shoot 12.53MP and 4k is only 8.3 MP.
Thanks,

Probably due to the pixel-binning, which results in a quarter (IIRC) of the maximum resolution of the camera (~48-50 MegaPixel).

Well my question is why cant we hit 5k? 6K should be 16.6MP.. Pixel 6Pro is 12.53 so that should be a bit over 5K (5k is around 12.45MP)

Ok we talking about video capturing right?

superman25 said:
Ok we talking about video capturing right?
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Yes.

The phone is theoretically capable of recording 5K. I would love to see a camera mod to do it somehow.

Doug8796 said:
The phone is theoretically capable of recording 5K. I would love to see a camera mod to do it somehow.
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Yea theoretically is capable even more sensor is not 12mpx its really 50mpx and after processing came 12mpx photos even from main camera sensor but......its about resolution/fps/ bitrate ...and all depends of cooling system and capabilities of processing of chip in phone and how wee know cooling is not what is good on pixel 6 pro

I'd love to know if any dev's could chime in.. afaik timelapse is definitely possible oat 5k.

this is likely because nearly no display that displays 5K, it doesn't make much sense to support a format that is barely used

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this is likely because nearly no display that displays 5K, it doesn't make much sense to support a format that is barely used
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Well I'd love to get more quality out of my video. Apple makes a 5k display, and for editing purposes 5k would be nice . I like to get some shots of nature sometimes. I just wanted to know if it was possible.

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I'd love to know if any dev's could chime in.. afaik timelapse is definitely possible oat 5k.
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Yea timelapse is definetly capable of much higher resolutions ....and its good question becouse for now we know in future will only produce 8k tvs and 4k minimum monitors .....i think phone is capable of 1080p 480p slow mo why they dont use this who knows

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this is likely because nearly no display that displays 5K, it doesn't make much sense to support a format that is barely used
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That's not truth pixel count and quality was always much higher then actual displays like before decade was 16 and higher pxl Fotos and no digital monitors or tvs to show....some people have same argumenst s like you ...same with 1080p when come some people still telling wee dont needed lots of people looking on videos on tvs and most of them have only Hd tv so we dont needed right now ...what? I making memories and those memories i would like to have in best possible (reasonable ) quality what i can make with good format for future .........for example imy first tv vas plasma only 720p (in real was 768p ) but doesn't matter important is i was looking on 1080p movies and making 1080p videos l... And they look much more vetter because if you're looking on content like 1080p on 720p tvs you actually getting better quality and better looking image because its working like antialiasing or super resolution on AMD cards or whatever other metod they named and this metod ....its used in videogames for years for better image quality and its much more visible on video(moving picture ) then on just stable frame but its still visible and its make sence to only some quality like its doasant make sense looking on 8k on 1080p tv but its make sense watching on 4k picture on 1440p monitor or watching 1440p video on 1080p tv .....so 5k video on even 4k tv or monitor still make sense.

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That's not truth pixel count and quality was always much higher then actual displays like before decade was 16 and higher pxl Fotos and no digital monitors or tvs to show....some people have same argumenst s like you ...same with 1080p when come some people still telling wee dont needed lots of people looking on videos on tvs and most of them have only Hd tv so we dont needed right now ...what? I making memories and those memories i would like to have in best possible (reasonable ) quality what i can make with good format for future .........for example imy first tv vas plasma only 720p (in real was 768p ) but doesn't matter important is i was looking on 1080p movies and making 1080p videos l... And they look much more vetter because if you're looking on content like 1080p on 720p tvs you actually getting better quality and better looking image because its working like antialiasing or super resolution on AMD cards or whatever other metod they named and this metod ....its used in videogames for years for better image quality and its much more visible on video(moving picture ) then on just stable frame but its still visible and its make sence to only some quality like its doasant make sense looking on 8k on 1080p tv but its make sense watching on 4k picture on 1440p monitor or watching 1440p video on 1080p tv .....so 5k video on even 4k tv or monitor still make sense.
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Exactly. I have been recording 4k video since Note 5 I believe.

Look up Motion Cam on GitHub. It allows you to shoot RAW files (stored in the DNG format) at the cameras full resolution.
You'll probably be limited in the frame rate and length you can record and you'll need something like Davinci Resolve, but I've messed with it and gotten good results.

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Look up Motion Cam on GitHub. It allows you to shoot RAW files (stored in the DNG format) at the cameras full resolution.
You'll probably be limited in the frame rate and length you can record and you'll need something like Davinci Resolve, but I've messed with it and gotten good results.
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holy thanks its worth to try .... for me video its ok for now but its really impresive how good is camrea in night mode