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of hardware acceleration? Would it make the phone faster and smoother than the SGS2 from tmobile?
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of hardware acceleration? Would it make the phone faster and smoother than the SGS2 from tmobile?
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I would like to think so because Google will optimize the software specifically for that hardware and they won't stop updating till they get it right. Is the GS2 capable of being faster than the GN? Yes it is, it all just depends on how well the software is optimized for the hardware its on.
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Chances are yes
The t mo gs II has a disgusting processor (dont flame me for that)
Ti omap should be better if not on par to the exynos which is better than the snapdragon u guys have
G nexus is a NEXUS (keyword) so it will definitely run really smooth
And if ics does have hardware accel google has officialy incorperated god mode into android
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Chances are yes
The t mo gs II has a disgusting processor (dont flame me for that)
Ti omap should be better if not on par to the exynos which is better than the snapdragon u guys have
G nexus is a NEXUS (keyword) so it will definitely run really smooth
And if ics does have hardware accel google has officialy incorperated god mode into android
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The S3 processor isn't disgusting, but it definitely isn't gonna out perform the Exynos or Texas Instrument. I can't keep stressing the fact about optimization. If the software is optimized well then our phone will be able to compete. Have you ever played with a Windows Phone 7 phone? The phone's hardware is out of date, but the phone's UI and transitions perform excellent. Our hardware is very capable of the same exact things as the GN.
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The S3 processor isn't disgusting, but it definitely isn't gonna out perform the Exynos or Texas Instrument. I can't keep stressing the fact about optimization. If the software is optimized well then our phone will be able to compete. Have you ever played with a Windows Phone 7 phone? The phone's hardware is out of date, but the phone's UI and transitions perform excellent. Our hardware is very capable of the same exact things as the GN.
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Actually the s3 outperforms the ti processor. Ti processors don't have a lot of features. The reason its so smooth is because it's using the same gpu as the ipad2. Ti dual core processors have been use in motorola phones. Before they were quite underwhelming even when they had stock. To be precise exynos and s3 are quite on par with each other. Asynchronous technology in processor can complete task faster if programmed correctly. Use one processor as a garbage/data collector use the other processor to complete task. When two processors are perfectly in sync you waste more energy then what you would need. Thus draining your precious battery life. The gpu department has slightly better features as well. The Adreno 220 is a better rendering and shaders than the Mali 400. Mali 400 is still a more powerful gpu though. They all have their pros and cons though so no you won't see a difference if you have optimized software for you phone.
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Actually the s3 outperforms the ti processor. Ti processors don't have a lot of features. The reason its so smooth is because it's using the same gpu as the ipad2. Ti dual core processors have been use in motorola phones. Before they were quite underwhelming even when they had stock. To be precise exynos and s3 are quite on par with each other. Asynchronous technology in processor can complete task faster if programmed correctly. Use one processor as a garbage/data collector use the other processor to complete task. When two processors are perfectly in sync you waste more energy then what you would need. Thus draining your precious battery life. The gpu department has slightly better features as well. The Adreno 220 is a better rendering and shaders than the Mali 400. Mali 400 is still a more powerful gpu though. They all have their pros and cons though so no you won't see a difference if you have optimized software for you phone.
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This is well written.
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Didn't cm7 have some sort of gpu update on the g2 phone? I would assume if I'm right on this it would be done here as well?
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Hi
Noob here. Was just wondering what the general consensus was on the 'old' GPU that the Galaxy Nexus will be supplied with. It isn't as powerful as say, the Galaxy S2 or the iPhone4s, but will this have an overall effect on how the phone performs in day to day use? Will it only effect the high end games that are currently available? I'm seriously tempted by this phone - mainly due to the lovely looking ICS but I'm concerned I may regret purchasing if there are serious issues with the GPU.
Cheers.
I am presuming the GPU is clocked all the way up to 384Mhz like the chip's specification says, if not then curses to Google.
TBH I believe it'll be fine, although it is an old GPU it is still quite a powerful one and can handle almost every game fine. Tegra 2 is generally a weaker GPU than SGX540 @ 200 and can still manage games just fine at 1280 x 800, I don't see why the SGX540 @ 384 can't do that. Although we'll never know for sure until we get the phone.
I'll quote myself from the other thread here:
Here's a lovely anecdote: I use an Eyefinity (three-monitor) setup on my gaming rig. It's a general rule of thumb that (compared to a single 1080p monitor) adding an additional 1080p monitor will reduce your performance by about 30%. A third 1080p monitor will reduce your performance to about 50% that of a single-screen setup.
Now consider, the Nexus Prime has about 2.4 times the number of pixels as the Nexus S. If the same formula as a desktop GPU holds true for mobiles, we could expect about a 40% loss in 3D performance. Now the GPU has been clocked up about 92%. It's throughput is now approaching double that of the Galaxy S, when it needed only make up a 40% defecit. Of course if you consider diminishing returns from clockspeed scaling, the [email protected] should perform at 720p about as well as it did at 200MHz and 480p. /shrug
The usual disclaimer: this was all conjecture on my part.
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Like I said, that's just my theory, and it's got no real grounding (since I haven't used the new Nexus yet.)
Hope you guys are right, of course I'm not going to hold you to it, I just would like to have seen fresh architecture.
If we get a kernel, or I should say when we get a kernel that allows overclocking, does that only OC the CPU cores or will it OC the GPU even more?
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And while you guys are skeptical of a gpu more powerful than the Geforce on the Tegra 2, which has its own games zone dedicated to it's well-known-to-be-awesome-or-atleast-marketed-well performance, I'm rocking an Adreno 200 powering a thoroughly shattered-yet-still-working-perfectly 4.3" WVGA standard LCD display. That powervr is probably more powerful than my Geforce3 ti 200 on my desktop.
I need a refresh.
Andreno200 < Adreno205 < [email protected] < [email protected] < or = Adreno 220
The Andreno 205 is 2X the 200, but the SGX is around 1.5X Adreno205, 220 is 2X Andreno205...So [email protected] is similar to Andreno 220 at same res, but slower at 720P?
I think it's stupid that people think it's weak because:
* It isn't brand new
* They've never seen it clocked like it is and/or matched with the OMAP processor it's matched with.
* Have never played a game optimized for it
* Can't name a game/movie/program that will run on something else but not the combination mentioned above
* Assume that superficial benchmark results mean much in real world applications
The entire conversation is like talking about a way to make your race car's top speed go from 210mph to 230mph on a track that is designed to make it impossible to go faster than 175mph.
For the last time, this is NOT the same GPU that is in the SGS.
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I am presuming the GPU is clocked all the way up to 384Mhz like the chip's specification says, if not then curses to Google.
TBH I believe it'll be fine, although it is an old GPU it is still quite a powerful one and can handle almost every game fine. Tegra 2 is generally a weaker GPU than SGX540 @ 200 and can still manage games just fine at 1280 x 800, I don't see why the SGX540 @ 384 can't do that. Although we'll never know for sure until we get the phone.
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You got it wrong there dude, SGX 540 @304 Mhz is equal or +1 to 2 % faster then the Geforce ULP GPU @800x480( Note that this can be because of the Dual channel memory the 4430 soc uses (optimus 3d)). Also the ULP Geforce does not work the same way as the SGX. Geforce ULP has the tendency to not get major performance hits when resolution gets bigger hence why all tablets use Tegra 2(Got a source for this however cant find it right now), it was Nvidias plan all along to grab the Tablet market.
I hope the extra Mhz helps the sgx 540 to perform well on the galaxy nexus when it comes to Games and so on. If it doesn't there are tricks to bypass things and get good performance in gaming however it up to google/samsung to implement them
I'm looking forward to try the phone myself when it hits the stores, and hope it'll be ok...
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You got it wrong there dude, SGX 540 @304 Mhz is equal or +1 to 2 % faster then the Geforce ULP GPU @800x480( Note that this can be because of the Dual channel memory the 4430 soc uses (optimus 3d)). Also the ULP Geforce does not work the same way as the SGX. Geforce ULP has the tendency to not get major performance hits when resolution gets bigger hence why all tablets use Tegra 2(Got a source for this however cant find it right now), it was Nvidias plan all along to grab the Tablet market.
I hope the extra Mhz helps the sgx 540 to perform well on the galaxy nexus when it comes to Games and so on. If it doesn't there are tricks to bypass things and get good performance in gaming however it up to google/samsung to implement them
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That might be the case but I saw SGX540 outperforming tegra at 720p, so even then at a tablet resolution the SGX540 doesn't fail to perform. Regardless, the gpu in galaxy nexus is nothing short of high end and should perform fine.
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...and Tegra isn't that great either!
Regardless of whether the phone is fast or not, there is the overwhelming feeling that it could have been better. I think most people wanted a 543MP2 or if it were possible, the 543MP4+ (it isn't) on th Vita.
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There is no soc out yet apart from the A5 with the 543mp2, the lead time on a soc is huge, i mean they were designing the OMAP 4460 back in 2009 or earlier (first mentions in white papers of the 4460 where in Feb 2009) but i am sure they where working on it before then.
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There is no soc out yet apart from the A5 with the 543mp2, the lead time on a soc is huge, i mean they were designing the OMAP 4460 back in 2009 or earlier (first mentions in white papers of the 4460 where in Feb 2009) but i am sure they where working on it before then.
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True. We know that the new A15s have been in development since at least 2009.
The Omap 5430 has a 544MPx; we don't know how many cores.
I suppose there was no alternative except the Exynos?
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True. We know that the new A15s have been in development since at least 2009.
The Omap 5430 has a 544MPx; we don't know how many cores.
I suppose there as no alternative except the Exynos?
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Well there is Exynos, OMAP or snapdragon for current generation soc's.
OMAP and exynos are S9 cores. Snapdragon is kinda A8 with extra SIMD performance.
That's generally why snapdragon gets out performed clock for clock by A9+neon designs (that's why a 1.5ghz snapdragon eg sensation xl gets or tmob USA sgs2 is out performed by a 1.2ghz exynos.
I am more happy with OMAP than snapdragon that's for sure.
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A lot of people seem to bemoaning the fact that this phone doesn't have a 1.5Ghz Exynos 4212 or even the 4210. The big worry is that the chip may not run well at 1280x720, hence the "lag" we saw in the leak videos.
There is disagreement on if the Mali 400 or the SGX 540 is better (at this clock anyways), but there seems to be a consensus that the Exynos is a faster CPU than the OMAP 4. I suppose that a few were hoping for a ARM Cortex A15 with a 2-core SGX 554. No such a SOC currently exists sadly.
I am also hopeful that there have been some software optimizations in Ice Cream that could improve performance.
Part of me wonders if Google should do what Apple did - get its own semiconductor design department and outsource the actual fab. It seems to be offering Apple a competitive advantage of sorts.
my thoughts are that i don't care.
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veyka said:
Well there is Exynos, OMAP or snapdragon for current generation soc's.
OMAP and exynos are S9 cores. Snapdragon is kinda A8 with extra SIMD performance.
That's generally why snapdragon gets out performed clock for clock by A9+neon designs (that's why a 1.5ghz snapdragon eg sensation xl gets or tmob USA sgs2 is out performed by a 1.2ghz exynos.
I am more happy with OMAP than snapdragon that's for sure.
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Agreed. Better Omap 4 than Scorpion.
Apparently there are also a few people who were hoping for a Tegra 3. It might have been doable (and I stress the might), as the new Asus Transformer Prime is rumoured to carry Kal El.
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TBH the GPU and CPU are more than capable off handling the gui, its not like they are pulling out a fully 3D gui, even if the resolution is bumped the hardware should still be able handle it without breaking a sweat. It's only the games where the doubt arises.
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Agreed. Better Omap 4 than Scorpion.
Apparently there are also a few people who were hoping for a Tegra 3. It might have been doable (and I stress the might), as the new Asus Transformer Prime is rumoured to carry Kal El.
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I am not sure if kal el is ready yet, i dont think the transformer prime is due till q1 2012, and I'm sure if the smartphone Tegra 3 is ready as well.
And Tegra 2 doesn't even have neon!
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Hello,
I'm an existing HD2 user using CM7 ROM, and satisfy with the speed, it can fulfill my daily usage (mainly web surfing and games).
Actually I already placed an order for One X with Solo headphone, but I just questioned myself, do I (we) really need such a powerful smartphone?
From my point of view, One X comes with larger and better LCD, faster CPU, more RAM, much better camera, that's it. Compare to my daily usage, I think it won't have much difference except the LCD & camera.
I can't said One X is very expensive, but if HD2 can serve me well, should I go ahead to replace it with One X?
I'm in HK, and what I can get is 10% off from the promotion price (HKD5698 * 0.9), and I'm going to sell the Solo headphone too (around HKD800), so the phone is around HKD4xxx only, which is quite attractive.
What do you think?
It's not about need, it's about do we want! My I9000 works still well, but i want more speed, bigger screen and much better camera!
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I don't need a ferrari, but I still want one! I'm sure we could all get by with an old school nokia but like most on the forum, we want the last tech
It depends up on your need. If you play a lot of HD Games, Tons and apps and widgets and still want to run fast then Yeah you need it
I'm sure game/app devs will soon be making the most of the quad-core power. I think by the end of the year quad-core will be more or less the standard.
Yes, many of us will never need all cores but it's the must-have effect.
But there are of course games in HD which really need full power.
Need?......Not really.
Want?......Hell yeah.
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Need?......Not really.
Want?......Hell yeah.
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Exactamundo!
i buy quad core to future proof myself since i do not change phones all that often
People have used the "Do we really need..." phrase at every single step of every single technological development since the dawn of time!
From my experience with several single-core, dual-core and quad-core phones I say:
1) If you want a fluid UI with daily-use buy a dual-core nexus phone. Or just take another dual-core phone, root it, and install a stock-like rom with ICS and above. It will work great and fast.
2) If you have a single-core phone, It will not going to run fast with any of the roms based on my exprience with HTC Desire HD and three Galaxy S phones - they just have a crappy-old processors and you need to trash them out, seriously.
3) If you want to play some Ultra-HD 3D games with your phone you need a quad-core phone.
I know that the number of cores are irrelevant to the overall speed of the processor but in android mobile phones it does - because most of the phones with a single core is older than most of the phones with dual core that older than all the quad-core phone. Thus, the number of cores that raising in this case indicates that the processor is newer and more powerful.
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I waiting for Ubuntu for Android app to become available. Then I will need four core phone
If you not a player you probably will not need computer any more. Just a monitor
In my case, i REALLY needed a new phone cuz my single core X8 was lagging, hanging and rebooting nearly everyday...I WAS going to get a new phone anyway, so why not get something which would never make me pay for it ?
If you just txt and call then you don't need a quad core or even a dual core but if ya like me then u will need a powerful handset as I control all my computers and network, emails, Nas and router and I do some gaming. So yes I can see the need basicly I run my life from my phone and the faster the better in my eyes.
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I've heard the a15 s4 one s dual core and and nexus 10 are very fast? Perhaps a dual core a15 I'd all that's needed.
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Ive gotten apps that can over clock the cores, but it's only the 4 SMALL cores which clock at 1.3 GHZ and can over clock into 1.9 GHZ but I don't need that since the Exynos 5 Octa has 4 OTHER cores that clock at 1.9GHZ. The Dolphin emulator doesn't use the 1.9GHZ cores. When I over clock there 1.3GHZ to 1.9GHZ while playing Super Smash Bros Melee, it runs just as good as the Note 3 does, which is 2.3GHZ SnapDragon. If I were to use AND over clock the 1.9GHZ cores, I may be able to run that and also other graphic intense games almost perfectly. Help please.
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Ive gotten apps that can over clock the cores, but it's only the 4 SMALL cores which clock at 1.3 GHZ and can over clock into 1.9 GHZ but I don't need that since the Exynos 5 Octa has 4 OTHER cores that clock at 1.9GHZ. The Dolphin emulator doesn't use the 1.9GHZ cores. When I over clock there 1.3GHZ to 1.9GHZ while playing Super Smash Bros Melee, it runs just as good as the Note 3 does, which is 2.3GHZ SnapDragon. If I were to use AND over clock the 1.9GHZ cores, I may be able to run that and also other graphic intense games almost perfectly. Help please.
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Overclocking was attempted with the Bindroid Kernel but it would not stick. As for it running better on the Note 3, you are pushing a lot fewer pixels on the Note 3 (1200x1980) versus Note 2014 (2560x1600)
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Overclocking was attempted with the Bindroid Kernel but it would not stick. As for it running better on the Note 3, you are pushing a lot fewer pixels on the Note 3 (1200x1980) versus Note 2014 (2560x1600)
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what's a bindroid kernel lol and well then shouldn't that mean that it should be harder to run on the tablet??? and also if I were to over clock the bigger cores and over clock the gpu, which so far the apps that over clock gpu's are only for Snapdargon, then it would run better than any device on the market.
Also, I found this: "The core switching is controlled by a firmware layer that sits in between the software and the chip itself. Operating systems can be tweaked to better support big.LITTLE's particular arrangement of cores, but any OS that supports power state switching for CPUs (any mainstream operating system from the last decade or so) can take advantage of big.LITTLE without any additional changes."
Source:http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-03/19/exynos-5-octa
Though this is for the galaxy s4, it should be the architecture as the note 10.1 2014. But is it possible to tweak that firmware or even MANUALLY activate the 4 stronger cores at will???
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what's a bindroid kernel lol and well then shouldn't that mean that it should be harder to run on the tablet??? and also if I were to over clock the bigger cores and over clock the gpu, which so far the apps that over clock gpu's are only for Snapdargon, then it would run better than any device on the market.
Also, I found this: "The core switching is controlled by a firmware layer that sits in between the software and the chip itself. Operating systems can be tweaked to better support big.LITTLE's particular arrangement of cores, but any OS that supports power state switching for CPUs (any mainstream operating system from the last decade or so) can take advantage of big.LITTLE without any additional changes."
Source:http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-03/19/exynos-5-octa
Though this is for the galaxy s4, it should be the architecture as the note 10.1 2014. But is it possible to tweak that firmware or even MANUALLY activate the 4 stronger cores at will???
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You may want to do some more research before you do anything. Most aspects of the CPU or GPU are handled by the kernel. The only way you can overclock any device is with a custom kernel that has the higher frequencies in the tables. DutchDanny tried to get overclocking working but it did not work. You can however underclock most any device since it has all the lower frequencies listed. If we wanted to enable Big Little on the Note 2014 we would need Samsung to release source code enabling it. Which I am sure they will not do. Again the Big Little is kernel dependent. The Android OS is not the problem Samsung is the problem. Do a search there is a very good thread about the 8 core thing.
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You may want to do some more research before you do anything. Most aspects of the CPU or GPU are handled by the kernel. The only way you can overclock any device is with a custom kernel that has the higher frequencies in the tables. DutchDanny tried to get overclocking working but it did not work. You can however underclock most any device since it has all the lower frequencies listed. If we wanted to enable Big Little on the Note 2014 we would need Samsung to release source code enabling it. Which I am sure they will not do. Again the Big Little is kernel dependent. The Android OS is not the problem Samsung is the problem. Do a search there is a very good thread about the 8 core thing.
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Wait wuuut I heard there was going to be an update for the Exynos 5 octa for Big.Little Architecture ???
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Wait wuuut I heard there was going to be an update for the Exynos 5 octa for Big.Little Architecture ???
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The Exynos 5 is fully capable but Samsung has never said they would update the Note 2014 to enable it.
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The Exynos 5 is fully capable but Samsung has never said they would update the Note 2014 to enable it.
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Actually I heard either in Q4 or Q3 they were going to release an update
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Actually I heard either in Q4 or Q3 they were going to release an update
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I got the Note 2014 the day it came out and I check all kinds of news/forums everyday. I have seen nothing where they stated they would update any current devices with big.LITTLE. They have stated by the end of the year they would release new devices with big.LITTLE implemented. I would guess the first ones would be the 6 core midrange processor due to heat and power usage. You can get a lot more information from this thread in the main section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645875
guys i have tab 3 SM-T211 and its a waste.
It has Marvell's PXA986 which is dual core, and Marvell has another cpu which is Quad-Core and it has same pin size they created in this fashion so that it is easily gets migrate from dual core to quad core.
what will be the outcome if we replace PXA986 with PXA1088.
do we need to compile os again for PXA1088 or ITS NOT POSSIBLE.
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guys i have tab 3 SM-T211 and its a waste.
It has Marvell's PXA986 which is dual core, and Marvell has another cpu which is Quad-Core and it has same pin size they created in this fashion so that it is easily gets migrate from dual core to quad core.
what will be the outcome if we replace PXA986 with PXA1088.
do we need to compile os again for PXA1088 or ITS NOT POSSIBLE.
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Well besides ending up with a brick in the end, it could be possible if your comfy and know how to solder and code.
Now, if you get it to turn on, your only half way there cause you will need to build your ROM to take the new CPU to boot android which would be complicated considering you have to code your motherboard to use that CPU before you can get android to boot.
Its just like a computer, sure, the socket might match but if your bois isn't up to date or coded correctly, your PC won't boot. The dell e510 is a prime example. It fits core2duos, but it won't run cause the bios hasn't been updated to run them.
So, in theory it is possible, but would it really be worth it in the end?
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