Ok, so I was rooted all the way back in Nov 2012 when I got my N2, and have been running mostly AOSP rooms ever since. Last one I had was Liquid Smooth, a 4.4.4 rom, which I was using 3 days ago.
BUT ...
I wanted tap and pay available in Google Wallet and for the life of me, I don't know how to enable it in an AOSP rom. So I went back to stock unrooted, and OTA'd my way up to AT&T stock 4.4.2 which they put out a couple weeks ago. Now Google Wallet tap and pay is up and running nicely.
BUT...
I hate being unrooted. So I want to root again, but now I have Knox, and I want to root without tripping the Knox counter. Trouble is, all the root guides I know about (including the video right here on xda), are two years old, before they had Knox, and so they don't include any steps that I know of to disable the counter.
So, how do I root my 4.4.2 At&t N2 without tripping Knox?
(I'm super bummed nobody has enabled Tap and Pay in a 4.4 AOSP rom).
-Peter
pcrussell50 said:
Ok, so I was rooted all the way back in Nov 2012 when I got my N2, and have been running mostly AOSP rooms ever since. Last one I had was Liquid Smooth, a 4.4.4 rom, which I was using 3 days ago.
BUT ...
I wanted tap and pay available in Google Wallet and for the life of me, I don't know how to enable it in an AOSP rom. So I went back to stock unrooted, and OTA'd my way up to AT&T stock 4.4.2 which they put out a couple weeks ago. Now Google Wallet tap and pay is up and running nicely.
BUT...
I hate being unrooted. So I want to root again, but now I have Knox, and I want to root without tripping the Knox counter. Trouble is, all the root guides I know about (including the video right here on xda), are two years old, before they had Knox, and so they don't include any steps that I know of to disable the counter.
So, how do I root my 4.4.2 At&t N2 without tripping Knox?
(I'm super bummed nobody has enabled Tap and Pay in a 4.4 AOSP rom).
-Peter
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If you got your phone way back when then tripping Knox shouldn't matter as Knox only voids the warranty which would have ended November 2013 assuming you got it November 2012
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Eternalty said:
If you got your phone way back when then tripping Knox shouldn't matter as Knox only voids the warranty which would have ended November 2013 assuming you got it November 2012
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understood. i mostly wanted to know because of my "hacker's heart". IOW, it's more fun/satisfying for me if i can do it without tripping the knox counter.
-peter
pcrussell50 said:
understood. i mostly wanted to know because of my "hacker's heart". IOW, it's more fun/satisfying for me if i can do it without tripping the knox counter.
-peter
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I think as long as you don't do anything to the recovery i think you can root without tripping knox maybe look into it
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Heres this look though this and see what everyone says
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644
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Are you saying maybe root without a custom recovery (cwm or twrp)?
Interesting idea. Cant say ive ever heard of a root that does not automatically install a custom recovery. Have yiu?
-Peter
pcrussell50 said:
Are you saying maybe root without a custom recovery (cwm or twrp)?
Interesting idea. Cant say ive ever heard of a root that does not automatically install a custom recovery. Have yiu?
-Peter
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Certainly possible to root without installing recovery or changing any partitions. For instance, on the Galaxy S II, where I'm familiar with things, we use Framaroot with the Aragorn exploit as the rooting method of choice. It installs only Superuser and the SU binary. The Note II is in the list of exynos devices that it will work with, and the exploit would be one of Sam, Frodo, Legolas or Aragorn. Hope this is useful to you.
I just purchased a used Note II for my wife, so I need to be doing some reading to get up to speed on this device. I honestly have no idea yet if rooting would cause you any problems with the knox counter, assuming you are even vunerable to that. So YMMV.
Theres an apk you can get that maybe roots your phone like towelroot.com idk if that will work for the note 2 or not tho
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Certainly possible to root without installing recovery or changing any partitions. For instance, on the Galaxy S II, where I'm familiar with things, we use Framaroot with the Aragorn exploit as the rooting method of choice. It installs only Superuser and the SU binary. The Note II is in the list of exynos devices that it will work with, and the exploit would be one of Sam, Frodo, Legolas or Aragorn. Hope this is useful to you.
I just purchased a used Note II for my wife, so I need to be doing some reading to get up to speed on this device. I honestly have no idea yet if rooting would cause you any problems with the knox counter, assuming you are even vunerable to that. So YMMV.
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I cannot believe it. Creepy! Totally missed all your helpful comments to others in the S2 forums. Glad to have you here.
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What are my options for blocking the OTA update?
I need to make sure I don't wake up one morning and find my phone updated with KNOX. I read that it can be automatically installed on stock roms, even without user consent. I have CWM recovery and rooted at ver.4.2.2 and have frozen the following apps using Ti Backup:
FWUpgrade 1.2.0
LocalFOTA v2
Software update
Is there anything else I should be doing to prevent this update?
Also would flashing one of the custom roms based on TouchWiz 4.3 flash the KNOX boot-loader?
Seriously if this post sale bait and switch boot-loader lock-down cannot be averted this will, in all likelihood, be my last Samsung device. I could understand if my employer wanted a KNOX supported device on his network and I consented to allowing this to happen to my phone for the privilege of using my phone for my job, but forcing KNOX on us after the sale is down right criminal.
Edit (2013-12-10): This thread further describes how to prevent KNOX:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2560015
-chlor3
Flashing 4.3/4.4 roms through recovery will not upgrade your bootloader. Feel free to flash!
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So what device do you plan to go to wit this level hardware? Our devs almost always figure it out.
The bootloader is not locked down. You can still flash roms after the update.
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So what device do you plan to go to wit this level hardware? Our devs almost always figure it out.
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Today at this hardware level there is just the s4 and nexus 5, but no external sd card slot make the nexus a total non-starter. So yes today I am a bit stuck with Sammy... but if they keep taking steps toward making their products like the iSandbox line, I would hope an enterprising company would produce a product that (re-) enpowered the user.
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It's not just the knox fisasco... having bluetooth tether yanked really pissed me off. Guess who has bluetooth tether on stock.... verizon ( but I really loath what they have done to all their devices bootloaders... so much so that I returned both my black friday verizon 32gb s4's for a pair of 16gb tmobile's ) Don't even talk about mobile hotspot... I get almost twice the battery life using bluetooth tether.
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The bootloader is not locked down. You can still flash roms after the update.
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So I can flash cwm/twrp on a s4 that has been ota updated to stock 4.3 (KNOX)?
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So I can flash cwm/twrp on a s4 that has been ota updated to stock 4.3 (KNOX)?
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That is indeed my understanding. The only thing that's changed with the new bootloader is that when you flash a rom, it trips the Knox counter and invalidates your warranty. If you don't care about warranty, you can root it, install a custom recovery and keep flashing roms as before.
I myself am on stock 4.3 and have no intention to mod my device just yet. So you might want to get a few more opinions before you take the plunge.
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That is indeed my understanding. The only thing that's changed with the new bootloader is that when you flash a rom, it trips the Knox counter and invalidates your warranty. If you don't care about warranty, you can root it, install a custom recovery and keep flashing roms as before.
I myself am on stock 4.3 and have no intention to mod my device just yet. So you might want to get a few more opinions before you take the plunge.
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There is also the issue of not being able to downgrade your modem as discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558847
I've read that the new modem doesn't play nice with the old roms. As I understand the state of things currently once you upgrade one can't downgrade? ( not in any attempt to remove KNOX flag, but just to be able to use the pre 4.3 roms ).
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There is also the issue of not being able to downgrade your modem as discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558847
I've read that the new modem doesn't play nice with the old roms. As I understand the state of things currently once you upgrade one can't downgrade? ( not in any attempt to remove KNOX flag, but just to be able to use the pre 4.3 roms ).
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The new modems are incompatible with the old MDL bootloader. Your should be fine if you are on the new MK2 bootloader .
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I'm on Ota (kies) 4.3 with cwm custom recovery and rooted via cf-autoroot. Knox is part of the rom but isn't installed - you have to run the app and let it install.
So far no issues other than the allsharecast dongle not working. This is probably because triangle away doesn't work right in 4.3
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So i've been doing some research and RLDV clearly can achieve root without tripping the flag. But it seems too messy for me and I really dont want to be assed to download so many things. I hear about Kingo and was curious if this was useable to achieve root as well and not trip the knox flag?
Furthermore, I read somewhere that it's actually possible to flash SafeStrap and not trip knox flag? anybody have more information on this?
I just used Kingo, one program to download, it probably downloads extra files automatically (it's multi device) and I have root, pretty much painless. I'm assuming Knox flag is not tripped, but I'm too lazy to look for info how to check, since it would be too late now to do anything anyhow. Surprisingly it did not work with my older back up phone GS3, updated to 4.3, Knox included. Kingo will also unroot your phone as well with one click. Can't help with Safestrap, as I just wanted to remove region lock and kill some bloatware.
kingo will NOT trip Knox. and it's painless to do. download app on the pc, connect your device, click a couple times, instant root. nothing else changes
From my understanding it is not the root that trips knox counter it is when you put a custom recovery on
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keithrich1990 said:
From my understanding it is not the root that trips knox counter it is when you put a custom recovery on
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some rooting methods will trip Knox. for example Chainfire's method will trip Knox. Kingo wont
thanks guys. Would anybody know about Safestrap by chance? I can't locate the thread I once saw regarding it
This was a thread on the Kingo method on I believe the Note 3 general board that got closed by the mods because they wanted to look into the software more.
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thanks guys. Would anybody know about Safestrap by chance? I can't locate the thread I once saw regarding it
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Go check the AT&T note 3 forum for info on safe strap
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I just want to be absolutely sure, so here goes. I am on stock, rooted 4.1.1 at the moment. If I just let AT&T run the 4.3 update, I can still keep/reroot root, I just can't go back to 4.1.1 correct?
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Djspinister said:
I just want to be absolutely sure, so here goes. I am on stock, rooted 4.1.1 at the moment. If I just let AT&T run the 4.3 update, I can still keep/reroot root, I just can't go back to 4.1.1 correct?
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Yeah, that's correct. If you go stock 4.3, via the OTA update, you will lose root initially. You can, however, always re-root. The most effective method to root after 4.3 is to Odin TWRP, boot to recovery and then flash SuperSu and the knox remover tool via recovery. Install SuperSU from the play store and run it to update the binary when prompted.
Won't let me thank you on the mobile app, so I'll do it when I get home from work, thank you! Wonder what happened to the premium version I paid for. Took my money and ran lol
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Installing the OTA 4.3 update will also install Knox. Rooting will trip the Knox counter which will void your warranty. If you have no warranty left, tripping knox will now be a problem.
You should also know that Knox can sometimes interfere with obtaining root.
audit13 said:
Installing the OTA 4.3 update will also install Knox. Rooting will trip the Knox counter which will void your warranty. If you have no warranty left, tripping knox will now be a problem.
You should also know that Knox can sometimes interfere with obtaining root.
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So one person saying you can root no problem, another one saying you might be able to root, might not? This is why there should be a very clear sticky at the top of the forums for everyone to read about just 4.3 and all there is to know about it. Because maybe's are pretty terrible when it comes to flashing/unlocking/rooting/bricking your device.
I don't care about warranty, I'm getting the S5 shortly, I just want to be able to root after the update, is that possible with lets just say the Auto root program, or is it not possible? By possible, I mean I won't have to go out and trade 7 cows for a horse and plow a 600 acre field with said horse.
EDIT: I think I've fingered it out, Thanks for the help fellas.
Djspinister said:
So one person saying you can root no problem, another one saying you might be able to root, might not? This is why there should be a very clear sticky at the top of the forums for everyone to read about just 4.3 and all there is to know about it. Because maybe's are pretty terrible when it comes to flashing/unlocking/rooting/bricking your device.
I don't care about warranty, I'm getting the S5 shortly, I just want to be able to root after the update, is that possible with lets just say the Auto root program, or is it not possible? By possible, I mean I won't have to go out and trade 7 cows for a horse and plow a 600 acre field with said horse.
EDIT: I think I've fingered it out, Thanks for the help fellas.
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There is no question about it. You can root even after 4.3 OTA. I've done it half a dozen times. Audit is right that you will trip the warranty but since this isn't an issue ...
The usual methods of rooting including CF Auto-Root don't always work and the method I've used with success each time is Option 2 in the thread below. The knox removal script disables knox ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538991
Sounds good man, I'll hit that up when I get home, thank you!
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I've been trying to find a stock rooted rom that I can use so I won't trip Knox. Does one exist? I don't care about fancy stuff, the stock rom works for what I do, I just want to use my titanium to freeze a few apps and run my hot spot app to get around the tmo tether cap.
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How about doing the "Root de la Vega" it doesn't trip Knox. At least that's what I saw when I first wanted to root. I on the other hand just rooted the other way and tripped Knox I really didn't care lol. But look it up to see if it will work for you.
nexx2014 said:
How about doing the "Root de la Vega" it doesn't trip Knox. At least that's what I saw when I first wanted to root. I on the other hand just rooted the other way and tripped Knox I really didn't care lol. But look it up to see if it will work for you.
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Not entirely true, it doesnt trip it if your still on 4.3. If your on 4.4.2 there isnt any way of not tripping KNOX when rooting.
I know in my Note 2/S4 days mrRobinson used to make prerooted stock roms. Not sure if its even possible any more.
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Not entirely true, it doesnt trip it if your still on 4.3. If your on 4.4.2 there isnt any way of not tripping KNOX when rooting.
I know in my Note 2/S4 days mrRobinson used to make prerooted stock roms. Not sure if its even possible any more.
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Oh okay. Well that's good to know, since I haven't looked into rooting since way back when I did it. But even then flashing a ROM trips it anyways also.
I went and got mobile Odin pro as it said it can root the rom while it's being flashed. And than read that the phone has to be rooted to install it. Thanks for the replies. If I can't find something in the next 2 weeks I'll start searching custom roms for something stockish.
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I'm coming from a Nexus 10 which is dying soon (bad motherboard) and was looking at getting a Wifi 32gb Note 10.1. But I have a few questions for the seasoned pros here :cyclops:
How smoothly does the Note 10.1 run on the latest firmware? (I'm assuming Kitkat)
If the stock firmware isn't silky smooth, is there anything I can do to fix it?
Are all the HMP problems with the Exynos 5420 fixed yet?
Any way to root the tablet without voiding warranty?
loooller said:
How smoothly does the Note 10.1 run on the latest firmware? (I'm assuming Kitkat)
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smooth. have noticed no hangups or stutters or anything like that — i gotta say that TouchWiz in KK has been much less crappy than i thought it would be. YMMV depending on your apps. that said, i'm coming from an Asus TF700, which was a complete POS, and the Note 10.1 (2014) has been a dream in comparison.
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If the stock firmware isn't silky smooth, is there anything I can do to fix it?
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install Apex (what i did) or Nova as your launcher. and/or root and freeze apps via Titanium.
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Are all the HMP problems with the Exynos 5420 fixed yet?
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they weren't problems so much as frustrations that Samsung decided in its wisdom not to enable it for this tablet. it runs fine out of the box with KK without HMP.
Oh and will rooting void the warranty?
Yes. Rooting will cause the KNOX bit to change. KNOX bit is detecting any non KNOX kernels. And once you do that, it fires.
But we are still not sure whether it will cause warranty issues. IMHO It's just a safe assumption right now. I am happy without rooting my device.
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Oh and will rooting void the warranty?
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No you will NOT trip Knox if you Root,,I'm rooted on my Note 3 and Tab and counter is 0×0
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
No you will NOT trip Knox if you Root,,I'm rooted on my Note 3 and Tab and counter is 0×0
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can you please share the method of rooting our note 10.12014 edition without trippin knox?
For the Sanpdragon variant SM-P605 there is a method called de la vega.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501700
Reportedly they have been able to do it without tripping the KNOX bit. The method was ported from Note 3 to Note 10.1-14 (605).
But for Exynos variant i.e. WiFi version P600. The method is Chain Fire's AutoRoot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2490805
P.S. This will TRIP the KNOX bit.
STELIOSFAN said:
can you please share the method of rooting our note 10.12014 edition without trippin knox?
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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kingo seems indeed very easy. Will it work on MJ9 build without trippin knox? (SM-P605)
I'm asking beacause I was reading that not all fw support it without knox trippin....
thanx
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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Are you saying Kingo Root doesn't trip the Knox fuse? I have been looking hard for a way of doing this and so far seen absolutely nothing, here or anywhere else, to suggest that this is possible. This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538345 suggests it doesn't even work much less do so without blowing the fuse.
Please elaborate.
lotus49 said:
Are you saying Kingo Root doesn't trip the Knox fuse? I have been looking hard for a way of doing this and so far seen absolutely nothing, here or anywhere else, to suggest that this is possible. This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538345 suggests it doesn't even work much less do so without blowing the fuse.
Please elaborate.
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Hi yes, I have rooted both my devices and can go into download mode and counter says Ox0 ,,the boot loader is locked,,so i am still on stock ROM, I don't have Safe strap on either,,,I really have no need for flashing other Roms since I get 3-4 days of battery out of my Note 3. I believe if you "flash" another ROM its possible it might a e fuse ,,..I could be wrong ..
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Hi yes, I have rooted both my devices and can go into download mode and counter says Ox0 ,,the boot loader is locked,,so i am still on stock ROM, I don't have Safe strap on either,,,I really have no need for flashing other Roms since I get 3-4 days of battery out of my Note 3. I believe if you "flash" another ROM its possible it might a e fuse ,,..I could be wrong ..
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I assumed you have the P600 wifi based on your signature. What KK rom build version you were using when you rooted your device? With the D2(latest) Kingo not even work!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53135814 .At this time, there is no way to root the p600 without triping the knox counter.
buhohitr said:
Kingo not even work!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53135814 .At this time, there is no way to root the p600 without triping the knox counter.
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This was exactly my understanding as well. I'd love to be able to root mine without blowing the fuse and I don't care about installing a different ROM, I just want root access.
There must be some misunderstanding here because this is literally the only reference I have found on the web in six months of looking, to being able to root a P600 without blowing the fulse.
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This was exactly my understanding as well. I'd love to be able to root mine without blowing the fuse and I don't care about installing a different ROM, I just want root access.
There must be some misunderstanding here because this is literally the only reference I have found on the web in six months of looking, to being able to root a P600 without blowing the fulse.
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If you read GalaxyNotesTx comment, he mentioned Note 3 instead of Note 10.1...He just confused between his devices! Again, currently no way to root without trip the knox counter.
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If you read GalaxyNotesTx comment, he mentioned Note 3 instead of Note 10.1...He just confused between his devices! Again, currently no way to root without trip the knox counter.
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You are quite right. That is disappointing but not surprising.
Kingo Root tries to root my 4.3 Note10 but fails.
I had to CF root thru Odin and knox is 0x1.
Kingo Root did root my 4.4 Note3 but knox is 0x1.