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Battery Desktop Charger for Universal! Please Advice.

I was wondering if standalone desktop battery charger for Universal good in recharging batteries or if they shorten the battery life. Thanks!

As long as the minimum specs for the universal are met by your charger it should not shorten your battery's life in any way.
Me and other people across the forum have used a moto razr charger to charge our universals, good results have been achieved, i have a charging/sync craddle bough out in ebay for few euros, it's branded "just mobile", it has its own battery charger (rated at 5V, 1A) and it works fine, although many people have had problems just with this charger.
One last thing, the real battery charger circuit is inside the pda, so provided that the battery charger is normal to good quality (5V +/- 10%, 500mA to 1A), you should not have any problems.

Bear in mind however that the battery can 'sk' for up to 1A if its almost flat. This means that your charger should be able to deliver it if you want to charge your battery

HTC and USB charger

Hello,
I've a simple question about chargers - I bought a USB charger, which has max current about 2100 mA... Unfortunately, original charger was developed for US sockets and it doesn't fit in my country..
Is there any risk, I use a USB charger with such a big current?
I've read many opinions - someone claims that is dangerous and it can damage battery, someone that it is safe but I will never charge my battery up to 100 %, and at least someone says that it completely has no matter - 2100 mA is the max power of charger and phone will use as much as it needs (f. e. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1212672)
Is that true (I mean statement of dpaul007)? Or it is better to buy 1000 mA charger?

[Q] E975 charger limit on amps?

i am thinking about if my E975 is limited when it comes to how many amps it can charge with bcs i recently brought a 2A charger also tried it out on my Google Nexus 7 2013 and i don't feel like it charges that much faster then my original LG charger with a 3meter flat OEM kable.
the charger i brought is said to charge with 2A while the original LG is only 1.2A shouldn't i be feeling a difference?

puma99dk| said:
.the charger i brought is said to charge with 2A while the original LG is only 1.2A shouldn't i be feeling a difference?
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No, you shouldn't. You can plug it into a 10 Amp charger, but the phone will only draw the amount it needs. Remember, it's not the charger pushing the current to the phone, it's the phone pulling it from the charger. The charging current is determined by the phone - each Li-Ion or Li-Po battery has a controller curcuit. The important thing is for a charger to be able to provide what a device wants to draw - otherwise, it would charge slowly, or not at all. So, a charger should be rated for not less than X Amp. More amp rating won't hurt, but it won't increase the actual current...

oh this is very useful. I also had the same question.
mine came with a 750mA (.75A) charger. As I left my charger at home during the holidays, I had to make due with one that I bought from a nearby tech store. I was very happy with the charger that I bought as it charges my phone really fast. I found out that my new charger was also a 2A model.
so I guess, in my experience, I noticed a big improvement in charging speeds comparing the 750mA with the new 2A charger. But I guess coming from a 1.2A charger, it only makes little difference.

QI Charger in car. With data & GPS ?

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Can a qi charger charge the nexus 5 when data and GPS is being used ?
Will it charge or will the battery drain?
Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) KitKat 4.4.2

Power consumption during data and GPS use varies depending on what apps are used, signal strength ect... so there is no definite answer. In general, I notice slight battery drain when using navigation when on wireless charging. Google's nav app uses more power than the 500 mah the Qi charger provides but the drain is much slower than on battery alone..

rikudo said:
Power consumption during data and GPS use varies depending on what apps are used, signal strength ect... so there is no definite answer. In general, I notice slight battery drain when using navigation when on wireless charging. Google's nav app uses more power than the 500 mah the Qi charger provides but the drain is much slower than on battery alone..
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Sorry, but what Qi charger are you using that only provides 500mA?
Even my $15 generic ebay Qi charger gets 751mA.

mmmmBACON said:
Sorry, but what Qi charger are you using that only provides 500mA?
Even my $15 generic ebay Qi charger gets 751mA.
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500 mA was an estimate, individual results vary. Take into account wireless charging has an efficiency of 70-80%, so a charger with a 751mA output would effectively charge at 600-526mA. Add a phone case and/or imperfect alignment charging efficiency drops even lower. In real world use my 750 mA qi charger charges at about the same rate as a 500 mA USB port.

rikudo said:
500 mA was an estimate, individual results vary. Take into account wireless charging has an efficiency of 70-80%, so a charger with a 751mA output would effectively charge at 600-526mA. Add a phone case and/or imperfect alignment charging efficiency drops even lower. In real world use my 750 mA qi charger charges at about the same rate as a 500 mA USB port.
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Oh yeah, I took that into consideration already, which is why I gave such an exact number. I got 751mA from a 5V/1A output rated Qi charger.
I've done a bunch of tests of charge rates with stock, higher amp chargers, and my generic Qi charger.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48856141&postcount=18
As long as the Qi charger you buy is rated as 5V/1A output (which is almost all of them out there, including the official nexus wireless charger, tylt vu, etc.), you should get around the charge rate I mentioned if it's maxed out fully. So people buying the expensive Qi chargers, are not getting any speed improvement over the cheap one I bought. Might look a little nicer sure, but I'll gladly keep the $20 - $50 in my pocket instead. If you want to read my whole post, I linked it.
Here's just the data portion.
Stock 1.2A LG wall adapter: 1053mA
2A USB wall adapter: 1053mA
Built in USB input on power bar: 1053mA
USB 3.0 port (desktop computer): 446mA (surprised it was so low for a USB 3.0 charge port)
USB 2.0 port (desktop computer): 334mA
Generic Qi charger (2A input/1A output)/Built in USB input on power bar: 751mA
Generic Qi charger/Stock LG adapter: 751mA
Generic Qi charger/2A USB adapter: 751mA
Generic Qi charger/USB 3.0 port: 696mA (interesting compared to directly plugging into USB 3.0)
Generic Qi charger/USB 2.0 port: 502mA (low, but again higher than direct cable)
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That's why I was just wondering what Qi charger you had and why you were saying 500mA because that is less than half the charge rate of the stock wall charger.

mmmmBACON said:
Oh yeah, I took that into consideration already, which is why I gave such an exact number. I got 751mA from a 5V/1A output rated Qi charger.
I've done a bunch of tests of charge rates with stock, higher amp chargers, and my generic Qi charger.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48856141&postcount=18
As long as the Qi charger you buy is rated as 5V/1A output (which is almost all of them out there, including the official nexus wireless charger, tylt vu, etc.), you should get around the charge rate I mentioned if it's maxed out fully. So people buying the expensive Qi chargers, are not getting any speed improvement over the cheap one I bought. Might look a little nicer sure, but I'll gladly keep the $20 - $50 in my pocket instead. If you want to read my whole post, I linked it.
Here's just the data portion.
That's why I was just wondering what Qi charger you had and why you were saying 500mA because that is less than half the charge rate of the stock wall charger.
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This is strange, I used the "Current Widget" app as well. . I'm currently using an Anker Powerbank, it's a 6000 mAh battery with a built in Qi charger which shows an average 500 mA charge rate. I also have an official Nexus 5 Qi charger that also shows about 500 mA charge rate. When connected directly to the Nexus qi charger wall adaptor I get a 1560 mA charge rate. Thanks for your data, this makes me wonder how accurate "Current Widget" app actually is since our results differ so much.

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This is strange, I used the "Current Widget" app as well. . I'm currently using an Anker Powerbank, it's a 6000 mAh battery with a built in Qi charger which shows an average 500 mA charge rate. I also have an official Nexus 5 Qi charger that also shows about 500 mA charge rate. When connected directly to the Nexus qi charger wall adaptor I get a 1560 mA charge rate. Thanks for your data, this makes me wonder how accurate "Current Widget" app actually is since our results differ so much.
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Yeah, I used CurrentWidget as well, it's a pretty close estimate, but it won't be 100% accurate. I just didn't want to tear things apart and use a multimeter to take readings. Make sure your CurrentWidget update interval is set to 1 so it gives you live updates. Then you just have to give it a few minutes to stabilize (it will always fluctuate though) and watch for the consistent highest reading over a period of 5 to 10 minutes to be as accurate as you can. For my readings, 751mA kept popping up over and over again but never higher, so it was reasonable to say that was the max my Qi charger was capable as long as it was receiving ample power itself.
The charge rate will also vary depending on where in the battery charge cycle you are recording. At the beginning and end of the charge cycle, it will not charge at full speed and will slow down the charge. This is to protect the phone and the battery. For best range of recording, try to take your readings when your battery is charging around the 25 - 65% full mark, that way you can be pretty confident that your phone/battery is allowing the charger to charge at full speed.
What is your Anker Powerbank output rated as?
Also, was that 1560mA a consistent reading, or just a spike?

Most likely it'll go down if the screen is on, if the screen is off, it may stay or go up extremely slow.

Thanks for the replies.
If the charge will go down when screen, data and GPS are on.. Then it's not really a suitable for a sat naval replacement.
Looks like I'll need to go with a cable.
Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) KitKat 4.4.2

Look at those car cable mods, they'll meet your needs and will give you an idea on how to hide the cables
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The qi chargers I tried in the car slowly drain the battery with navigation and streaming music. Do I went back to the cord in the car.
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Don't forget with GPS and other things on your temperature will go pretty high and could reach 45C where wireless charging practically turns off and your charger will only try and maintain the current battery percent. At least this happens to me monitoring it using battery widget.
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I haven't gone so far as to install current widget, out even better battery stats, but I have taken some long trips with navigation and music streaming, screen on the whole time, and with the cheap Chinese 'c1' car mount, I always arrive with more charge than I left with. Maybe this is because I live in a cold climate, and the charger does not stop because of excessive heat.
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mmmmBACON said:
Yeah, I used CurrentWidget as well, it's a pretty close estimate, but it won't be 100% accurate. I just didn't want to tear things apart and use a multimeter to take readings. Make sure your CurrentWidget update interval is set to 1 so it gives you live updates. Then you just have to give it a few minutes to stabilize (it will always fluctuate though) and watch for the consistent highest reading over a period of 5 to 10 minutes to be as accurate as you can. For my readings, 751mA kept popping up over and over again but never higher, so it was reasonable to say that was the max my Qi charger was capable as long as it was receiving ample power itself.
The charge rate will also vary depending on where in the battery charge cycle you are recording. At the beginning and end of the charge cycle, it will not charge at full speed and will slow down the charge. This is to protect the phone and the battery. For best range of recording, try to take your readings when your battery is charging around the 25 - 65% full mark, that way you can be pretty confident that your phone/battery is allowing the charger to charge at full speed.
What is your Anker Powerbank output rated as?
Also, was that 1560mA a consistent reading, or just a spike?
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The Powerbank Qi output is rated at 500 mA. The 1.8A wall adaptor gives a fairly consistent reading above 1500 mA.
I set faster update interval and found the following averages. (Battery @ 50%)
Nexus Qi 1.8A wall adapter: 1500-1605 mA
Nexus 5 stock wall adapter: 900-1000 mA
Nexus Qi charger plate: 450-740 mA
Qi Powerbank 500 mA: 300-476 mA
PC 2A USB port: 550-750 mA
It seems the Current Widget rates the summarized magnitude of draw from the battery. For example having the screen on and higher brightness will subtract from the measured charge. To negate this I placed the phone in airplane mode, screen off and set sampling to 5 s. Then after 10 s turned the phone on to view the last sample taken with the screen off.
Looks like you were right, a 750 mA rated charger factors in transmission losses. The Official Nexus Qi plate puts out 750 mA max. The Powerbank puts out 500 mA as labeled. The 1.8A wall adapter was surprising though. Anand's article stated the max charge rate was 1.2A but the 1.8A adapter clearly exceeds this rate.

rikudo said:
The Powerbank Qi output is rated at 500 mA. The 1.8A wall adaptor gives a fairly consistent reading above 1500 mA.
I set faster update interval and found the following averages. (Battery @ 50%)
Nexus Qi 1.8A wall adapter: 1500-1605 mA
Nexus 5 stock wall adapter: 900-1000 mA
Nexus Qi charger plate: 450-740 mA
Qi Powerbank 500 mA: 300-476 mA
PC 2A USB port: 550-750 mA
It seems the Current Widget rates the summarized magnitude of draw from the battery. For example having the screen on and higher brightness will subtract from the measured charge. To negate this I placed the phone in airplane mode, screen off and set sampling to 5 s. Then after 10 s turned the phone on to view the last sample taken with the screen off.
Looks like you were right, a 750 mA rated charger factors in transmission losses. The Official Nexus Qi plate puts out 750 mA max. The Powerbank puts out 500 mA as labeled. The 1.8A wall adapter was surprising though. Anand's article stated the max charge rate was 1.2A but the 1.8A adapter clearly exceeds this rate.
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That is interesting. My finding mirrored that of Anandtech. I used both the 1.2A stock adapter, and a 2A adapter and I was not able to increase my charging speed at all. It stayed at 1053.
Can you check the plug to see the voltage of the Nexus 5 Qi adapter. Is it 5V?

how to get more speed charging?

hi guys,
i have two chargers,
1. output 9.0V 1.67A or 5.0V 2.0A
2. output 5.2V 2.4A
and a usb-c cable, in the cable box i find that this cable is supporting for fast charging and support to 2.4A but when i tried it with the two chargers, and test it using 'ampere' app i got max to 1010mA with both chargers adapter ! even with this value i feel it charging my mobile quickly, and in the bottom of the lock screen i see 'charging rapidly' but i want more and why the phone is not charged depending on the values in the chargers (1.67A - 2.0A - 2.4A) and cable (2.4A)

The P2XL charger is 9V, 2A or 5V, 3A. Your amperage values are too low, which may explain why you're not charging as quickly as you should be. The solution: get a charger that equals or exceeds the stock charger ratings.

You realize slow charging is better for the long-term life of the battery, right?

sublimaze said:
You realize slow charging is better for the long-term life of the battery, right?
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Considering we often get new phones every 2-3 years, you won't see much of a degradation from rapid/fast charging.
Rather, you'll see a degradation from charging from <15% to 100% (which people do often). That will be a more significant reason someones battery will lose much off its lifespan.
I wish Android would have a built in limiter. I'm sure in the next few years, both iOS and Android will.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The P2XL charger is 9V, 2A or 5V, 3A. Your amperage values are too low, which may explain why you're not charging as quickly as you should be. The solution: get a charger that equals or exceeds the stock charger ratings.
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hi friend,
i bought an original charger for my pixel 2 xl from ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570 and after testing it with ampere app i got the same value as my old charger, i got max 1010 mA, and i don't feel that there is a fast charging, it needs to the same time to charge my mobile as my old charger !
please help

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The P2XL charger is 9V, 2A or 5V, 3A. Your amperage values are too low, which may explain why you're not charging as quickly as you should be. The solution: get a charger that equals or exceeds the stock charger ratings.
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After seeing this I checked accubattery and it also says mine normally charges between 700 - 1010 mah also. I didn't even think about fast charging, I don't have the original charger but I have other "fast chargers" that don't seem to be doing their job either.

Chouiyekh said:
hi friend,
i bought an original charger for my pixel 2 xl from ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570 and after testing it with ampere app i got the same value as my old charger, i got max 1010 mA, and i don't feel that there is a fast charging, it needs to the same time to charge my mobile as my old charger !
please help
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tbkrazeey said:
After seeing this I checked accubattery and it also says mine normally charges between 700 - 1010 mah also. I didn't even think about fast charging, I don't have the original charger but I have other "fast chargers" that don't seem to be doing their job either.
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There's nothing I can help you guys with. All I can tell you is what ratings your charger should have, based upon the information printed on the pair of chargers I received with my device when I purchased it directly from Google. If you have a genuine Google charger and the P2XL is still not charging fast, contact Google.

stuff said:
Considering we often get new phones every 2-3 years, you won't see much of a degradation from rapid/fast charging.
Rather, you'll see a degradation from charging from <15% to 100% (which people do often). That will be a more significant reason someones battery will lose much off its lifespan.
I wish Android would have a built in limiter. I'm sure in the next few years, both iOS and Android will.
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Unfortunately, i hope someone could help

Chouiyekh said:
hi friend,
i bought an original charger for my pixel 2 xl from ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570 and after testing it with ampere app i got the same value as my old charger, i got max 1010 mA, and i don't feel that there is a fast charging, it needs to the same time to charge my mobile as my old charger !
please help
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I thought that charging capped out at roughly 1000 mA when the screen is on to protect the battery from overheating/putting too much strain on it. Which could lead to degradation of the battery. That would explain why you only see 1010 mA on Ampere - because the screen is on. I don't think Ampere measures while the screen is off, so it is difficult to say what value it would be giving you.
That is my experience even using the stock charger that came with the phone.

pemz82 said:
I thought that charging capped out at roughly 1000 mA when the screen is on to protect the battery from overheating/putting too much strain on it. Which could lead to degradation of the battery. That would explain why you only see 1010 mA on Ampere - because the screen is on. I don't think Ampere measures while the screen is off, so it is difficult to say what value it would be giving you.
That is my experience even using the stock charger that came with the phone.
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maybe your opinion is right. my next experiment is from 0% to 100% with the old charger and with the stock charger, then i will see if there is a difference

tbkrazeey said:
After seeing this I checked accubattery and it also says mine normally charges between 700 - 1010 mah also. I didn't even think about fast charging, I don't have the original charger but I have other "fast chargers" that don't seem to be doing their job either.
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There is one other thing that you must also have. The Pixel does NOT support Qualcomm Fast Charging. It uses Power Delivery, not Quickcharge Technology. So if you have a charger that is labeled QuickCharge or a Moto Turbo Charger you will NOT get fast charging from these units. It has to be a Power Delivery charger with a USB C port and the cable must be USB-IF certified. If you don't have all of that then you don't get a fast charge.

nlinecomputers said:
There is one other thing that you must also have. The Pixel does NOT support Qualcomm Fast Charging. It uses Power Delivery, not Quickcharge Technology. So if you have a charger that is labeled QuickCharge or a Moto Turbo Charger you will NOT get fast charging from these units. It has to be a Power Delivery charger with a USB C port and the cable must be USB-IF certified. If you don't have all of that then you don't get a fast charge.
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That makes sense then, it seems like everything gets more complicated every year.

I just purchased one of these from Amazon. Note that it supports Power Delivery 3.0. This unit quick charges my phone. The Moto Charger I have for my old Moto G5+ which is a Qualcomm charger will charge the phone but only at slow speeds.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H6BQNGF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

nlinecomputers said:
There is one other thing that you must also have. The Pixel does NOT support Qualcomm Fast Charging. It uses Power Delivery, not Quickcharge Technology. So if you have a charger that is labeled QuickCharge or a Moto Turbo Charger you will NOT get fast charging from these units. It has to be a Power Delivery charger with a USB C port and the cable must be USB-IF certified. If you don't have all of that then you don't get a fast charge.
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i bought this : http://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570
what do you think ?

If it is really the OEM parts that will work. The pictures look like mine, but ya know eBay....