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[Q] TP2 is dead(?), other phone suggestions?

Kinda obvious it is dead. I fell down the stairs and as a reflex i tried to grab onto something and dropped my phone. It bounced off the wooden stairs 2 times before hitting the ground. Now my entire screen is white when i start up my phone and when i try pressing i get more and more black tearing through my screen. I guess its gone and theres nothing i can do? Had the phone for not even a year..
Also a question. Whats a nice replacement for the Rodium? I always used energy roms so going back to a simple phone is a no no for me. So i want to know any suggestions of what to get next. Should i wait till something new comes out later this year/next year or get a existing model thats out right now?
Hope you XDA folks have some nice suggestions

The HTC Desire Z looks really nice, and its releasing to Europe soon (or already has?). Its a worthy successor to the TP2. Android, but a nice hardware slider keyboard, and other great specs.

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The HTC Desire Z looks really nice, and its releasing to Europe soon (or already has?). Its a worthy successor to the TP2. Android, but a nice hardware slider keyboard, and other great specs.
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Perhaps you can replace the screen either from the warrenty or by yourself. However if this is not a route you want to go down then, like the reply above, id suggest the desire z. Having used the htc desire I can say it's really good. You could also consider the normal desire or the desire hd (bigger screen) which are thinner, if a hardware keyboard is not an absolute must.

Thanks guys. The Desire Z really looks good. I always like keyboards on my phone ever since the pro 2. I always tend to mess up my typing with a touch screen keyboard. My phone providers contract renews in november but i dont want to pay myself crazy for a contract so for now i will go for the HTC Wildfire with my provider so i wont have to pay that alot for extra SMS and online internet since its a more budget phone.
Release date that i can find for HTC Desire Z is end october or November here in the The Netherlands. Probaly will want to buy the Desire Z separate at the end of november since its hard to live without a keyboard. Then again the Desire HD looks better spec wise.. Just no keyboard.
This is probaly will keep me thinking for a while. But they both seem great choices so it will probaly be the HTC Desire HD or the HTC Desire Z. But definately will be one of the 2.
Also will see if can get a HTC Touch pro 2 replacement.. If you dont try then you dont know. Only had the bloody phone for a bit longer then 6 months before it went on a rollercoaster ride.
Thanks guys.

[Q] G2 Favorite Phone Ever

Is it your Fav phone?
mine by far
Tell us why its your favorite or why its not

I don't mean any offense by this, but I think this Thread does not really belong in the Q&A section.
While it is a question if all of us think, whether this is the most awesome phone since the invention of cans and a string, it is not one that can be definitively answered.
So this would belong in the general section. This section - as I understand it - is for folks who have trouble with their device and seek advice or help.

actually it was meant for "Off-Topic" i do not know how it ended here =0

Not my FAVOURITE phone ever, simply because I waited so long for it and then it came with so many issues (for me). Dodgy loose z-hinge which causes the two halves of the phone not to stay tight shut (mine is still buffered with layers of electrical tape in between to stop the annoying tapping when one half hits the other when typing on the screen), poor screen in sunlight, really poor speaker, 4 row keyboard instead of 5. These are the things that made me unhappy when I got it, but with little else to choose from (Android qwerty-wise) I had little option but to get used to it.
I think my favourite phone ever has to be my G1, simply because it was on a completely different level to what I had been using previously (Nokia smartphones like the N85 and N73). Yeah, sure it didn't really have the hardware needed (especially towards the end of it's life) but I LOVED that phone like a child :-D
The G2/DZ is a pretty decent phone, but was not groundbreaking in any way, shape or form. The development scene for it is just as good as I remember the G1's being, which is a plus - and ultimately that, and the fact there are still no better qwertys in the UK, is the only reason I'm still using this thing.

I love it because I got in love with it in March, and wanted to get it with a budget of just 250€ euros... No used ones weren't fake, so I got a Nexus One, great phone, and I decided to keep it thinking it was better of my beloved DZ, than in August Desire Z was 240€ new and sold my nexus one to get it. Now I love it, every single thing but the back cover which is already damaged. I like HTC assistance: they sent me a courier (is it right?) beacause I lived 20km far from the collection point and then in one working week I had it back repaired... (now on the other side they're asking me to go to the colelction point to get a new usb cable, which is 10€ and I should take 10 euros of train to get there..).
But as for the phone itself it just lacks a better GPU and a bit more of battery... Oh yes, it should be at least two metres thicker and five tons lighter
but I love it!

virtualflyer said:
I love it because I got in love with it in March, and wanted to get it with a budget of just 250€ euros... No used ones weren't fake, so I got a Nexus One, great phone, and I decided to keep it thinking it was better of my beloved DZ, than in August Desire Z was 240€ new and sold my nexus one to get it. Now I love it, every single thing but the back cover which is already damaged. I like HTC assistance: they sent me a courier (is it right?) beacause I lived 20km far from the collection point and then in one working week I had it back repaired... (now on the other side they're asking me to go to the colelction point to get a new usb cable, which is 10€ and I should take 10 euros of train to get there..).
But as for the phone itself it just lacks a better GPU and a bit more of battery... Oh yes, it should be at least two metres thicker and five tons lighter
but I love it!
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I MISS MY NeXus One, I LOVE MY G2
2 of my favorite besides the G2X
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setspeed said:
Not my FAVOURITE phone ever, simply because I waited so long for it and then it came with so many issues (for me). Dodgy loose z-hinge which causes the two halves of the phone not to stay tight shut (mine is still buffered with layers of electrical tape in between to stop the annoying tapping when one half hits the other when typing on the screen), poor screen in sunlight, really poor speaker, 4 row keyboard instead of 5. These are the things that made me unhappy when I got it, but with little else to choose from (Android qwerty-wise) I had little option but to get used to it.
I think my favourite phone ever has to be my G1, simply because it was on a completely different level to what I had been using previously (Nokia smartphones like the N85 and N73). Yeah, sure it didn't really have the hardware needed (especially towards the end of it's life) but I LOVED that phone like a child :-D
The G2/DZ is a pretty decent phone, but was not groundbreaking in any way, shape or form. The development scene for it is just as good as I remember the G1's being, which is a plus - and ultimately that, and the fact there are still no better qwertys in the UK, is the only reason I'm still using this thing.
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God, I hated my g1, then again i got it 2 days after it came out....in Bronze

G2.. best phone ever. Left iphone in the dust for it and never looked back
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qjbj90 said:
G2.. best phone ever. Left iphone in the dust for it and never looked back
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yEAH g2 is an amazing device!

When I look at all the new phones without hard keys or trackpads, I don't know what I'll find to replace my G2. I just have to get a handle on my battery drain issues then I can get another two years from it. I still miss the g1 keyboard sometimes, but the g2 is better in so many ways.

It is.
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I honestly liked my Nokia E71. I got it before my Desire Z. Nokia's were great.
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knightslay2 said:
I honestly liked my Nokia E71. I got it before my Desire Z. Nokia's were great.
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Yeah, I absolutly agree! But I still would rather have the galaxy s 2 than anything else.
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whatiznt said:
Yeah, I absolutly agree! But I still would rather have the galaxy s 2 than anything else.
Sent from my CM7 G2!
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Sorry Major HTC Fan...wait
-Nexus One
-G2
-MyTouch 3G
-MyTouch 3G Slide
-Mytouch 4G
-MyTouch 4G Slide
-Sensation
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great phones =)

Its actually the only phone I loved that hasnt broken on me yet had it for almost a full year now and it still runs great. Dropped it plenty of times on the ground and it only has a few scratches & dents. Z-hinges aren't really bothersome and really isnt that loose, it makes the phone fun to flip and play around with actually! I really cant see a new phone w/o a qwerty board. Lets hope we get to see at least some this year.

I honestly dont know if there is another phone out there for me to update to! So I see myself with the g2 for a looooong time! And I would have never updated to it if it wasnt for the H+ speeds!
G1 in honesty has the best hand placement/keyboard feel!
Another plus was it was Black too!!

Have had it for more than a year and was my first smart phone. For me the only other device that competes is mytouch 4g slide simply because I can't live without keyboard but imo this has a far better look and feel than the 4g
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It's my favorite phone, but it only became so after rooting it. IMO Sense is a bulky solution for dummy proofing a phone.When I rooted and got rid of the bloat I started loving it more and more.
I had a Desire before I went to the G2. I had to find out the expensive way that a touchscreen only phone just doesn't work for me

I had the g1 before this, and a few sidekicks before that. I've been hooked on keyboard phones since around 2006. Being a t-mobile customer, I am bound to what they provide so physical keyboards have become somewhat of a necessary thing for me when shopping for a phone. The g2 came as quite a surprise really. It's nearly 2 years old now and with a little tweaking, it's still preforming as well as a lot of todays (stock) high end devices. Bravo htc.
I'm looking forward to future physical keyboard devices.

This phone sure is a great product.
Nice collection of roms to choose from, and gotta love the keyboard.
First phone with physical QWERTY to me, and I won't buy a phone without it again.
This does need some tweaking (custom rom & overclocking) to be fast enough for daily use - but it's very easy thing to do.
This is my second Android-phone.

[Q] Next big physical keyboard device

So I've been a big fan of physical keyboard phones since around 2006~ish. The only smart phones I've ever had, have had a physical keyboard. Now that I'm close to my handset upgrade I want to find something worth to replace my trusty G2/Vision. I am a T-Mobile customer and have been one for quite some time. I don't plan on switching anytime soon. I am somewhat bothered to see that there are less and less high-end physical keyboard phones being released. In my opinion, it is a must have feature and with the new quad-core and x86 based phones right around the corner, what will happen to the users that are torn between the latest/greatest, and the desire of a physical keyboard?

I know how you feel. My first phone, HTC s720, had a physical keyboard on it. Loved it. Upgrade time game and I opted for the HTC Hero. No keyboard, small screen and laggy OS (Android 1.5). Couldn't handle it so I bought the DZ and love it to death to this day.
I'm afraid though, most high end phones won't have a keyboard. This saddens me because having physical buttons, while it adds bulk to the phone, is more accurate than any on screen keyboard. Knowing this, I think my next phone is most likely the HTC One X, unless HTC releases another variant with a physical keyboard. Never going to any other brand either. HTC = quality stuff.

I've got my eye on the HTC One X as well. It's rumored that the t-mo version will be stock android. I've had a physical keyboard since the G1, so it's not easy to consider a phone without one. However, the stock onscreen keyboard (and speech recognition) has gotten better. Perhaps I'll zip tie my G2 shut to see if I could survive without the physical keyboard...

I hope they will release something like the mytouch 4g this year with quad also for Europe
Sent from my Vision

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I hope they will release something like the mytouch 4g this year with quad also for Europe
Sent from my Vision
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Huawei is making the MyTouch now lol! Unless, HTC pulls out a surprise with a G3 by the end of the year... I'd say the qwerty is almost extinct

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Huawei is making the MyTouch now lol! Unless, HTC pulls out a surprise with a G3 by the end of the year... I'd say the qwerty is almost extinct
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Thinking I changed my N1 with a Desire Z just to have the qwerty... I'll change it (if I don't drop it in water before... ) in mid 2013 so I hope the milestone 4 (or 5 more probably) will be released this winter, maybe with a quad so that I can buy it for 250-300€ in june...

Damn it, I was hoping that at least one manufacturer would stick out and present a nice hardware QWERTY during the CES.
Though I understand that a lot of people do not need a physical keyboard, there could be at least one alternative for power users.
The Motorola Droid 4 looked like a step in the right direction at least. But with a non-removable battery and a locked bootloader I'm less sad, that it likely won't come to Europe.
So I'll have to keep hoping....

HTC One with keyboard?

Hi guys. This post is only to talk about our expectation to see an HTC One with keyboard.
I looked for a phone with keyboard that has a good hardware specifications but seems there is no phone. Sincerely, I would like to see an HTC One X with keyboard and with all the 4 cores
It's a shame that manufacturers forget the phones with keyboards.
HTC said that One is their new models. I want to believe it like Desire series and there will be an HTC One with keyboard with great hardware specs. What do you think?

I would really love that. I wasn't surprised when HTC didn't announce a hardware keyboard device in the One series, but I was still a little bit disappointed. I think that companies should be focusing on hardware keyboards alot more than they are. Really, the last awesome device with a hardware keyboard was the Desire Z/G2. The only other decent phones besides the Desire Z/G2 with hardware keyboards are Droids, in my opinion. It would be great if HTC released a keyboard as part of the One series AND as a "G3." Like they did with our device, as a part of the Desire series and a successor to the G1.

I'm waiting for this fall, really hoping they release a G3 or w/e. If it will happen we'll hear about it during the summer.

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I'm waiting for this fall, really hoping they release a G3 or w/e. If it will happen we'll hear about it during the summer.
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yup, it should be when they will... that is... IF they do at all. It seems like qwertys are extinct now. HTC has been changing their direction a bit lately and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make one this year. I hope I'm wrong...

I really like the keyboard on the Mytouch 4G Slide I bought for my girlfriend. But it's a big phone, so she has a hard time using the keyboard.

Supposedly the One X will be coming to tmo with the Tegra 3 and all 4+1 glorious cores continuing the G series as the G3X. I really REALLY want a phone with a keyboard, but for the specs of the One X, I'll just bluetooth a wiimote in for all my emulator needs.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z using XDA

PaganAng3l said:
Supposedly the One X will be coming to tmo with the Tegra 3 and all 4+1 glorious cores continuing the G series as the G3X. I really REALLY want a phone with a keyboard, but for the specs of the One X, I'll just bluetooth a wiimote in for all my emulator needs.
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I thought I one x was gonna be called g4x? I really hope this isn't the next g-series phone even though it has awesome specs. Still holding out hope for a g3 qwerty phone
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PaganAng3l said:
Supposedly the One X will be coming to tmo with the Tegra 3 and all 4+1 glorious cores continuing the G series as the G3X. I really REALLY want a phone with a keyboard, but for the specs of the One X, I'll just bluetooth a wiimote in for all my emulator needs.
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yeah, I heard it too It's gonna be REALLY hard to wait on a possibly fictional G3 in the distant summer/fall when we'll have the One X and SGIII to chose from MUCH sooner! I do want me keyboard though.
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I thought I one x was gonna be called g4x? I really hope this isn't the next g-series phone even though it has awesome specs. Still holding out hope for a g3 qwerty phone
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Its possible (unconfirmed) whether that name will grace the tmobile usa brand name version of the htc one x or the lg optimus 4x. they do also say the one x tmousa version (whatever the name is) will ship with android 4.0 and NOT Sense 4.0.... weird huh? I like Sense but rather have pure stock and add Sense later myself if I felt like it.

I think it's safe to assume that qwerty phones aren't big sellers, or they'd be making loads of them. I would love a One X too though, here's hoping !
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

steviewevie said:
I think it's safe to assume that qwerty phones aren't big sellers, or they'd be making loads of them. I would love a One X too though, here's hoping !
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yeah, in the end... it's all about money I really think if marketed correctly they could be just as big as they were back in the beginning of the smartphone era. oh well... HTC might pull one out this year, I hope.

Yet another vote for a high spec HTC with qwerty. I cannot do without the keyboard. I bought a dhd to see if I could break the habit but it didn't work. I've even tried a wireless keyboard to go with the dhd. After a couple of frustrating weeks I through the dhd in a draw and dusted off my trusted dz.
I spend a couple of hours per day on the train answering work email and at least another hour of email at home in the evening. Often I am editing word/excel docs in QuickOffice as I respond to those emails. Trying to do this without a keyboard just isn't feasible. Surly there must be many users like me who would happily pay up to £500 for a decent qwerty HTC?!

MaxWiz said:
Yet another vote for a high spec HTC with qwerty. I cannot do without the keyboard. I bought a dhd to see if I could break the habit but it didn't work. I've even tried a wireless keyboard to go with the dhd. After a couple of frustrating weeks I through the dhd in a draw and dusted off my trusted dz.
I spend a couple of hours per day on the train answering work email and at least another hour of email at home in the evening. Often I am editing word/excel docs in QuickOffice as I respond to those emails. Trying to do this without a keyboard just isn't feasible. Surly there must be many users like me who would happily pay up to £500 for a decent qwerty HTC?!
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Same here.
Also I pay a lot of nintendo emulator, try playing a fast action game with a touch screen that was meant to be played with a screen only.
Sent from my overclocked desire z (tmobile g2) via tapatalk app

It would be fantastic if they made something like the HTC One X Pro..... give us a 5 row keyboard.. that would be super awesome

I must say I love a keyboard on my Touch pro 2. Also I must say that an onscreen keyboard on a Titan is pretty good too, only problem is that it takes visual space. It's hard to imagine a Titan with a keyboard though. Also what would that do to the weight and size of such a huge phone. Can't imagine if I could even treat it as a phone anymore.

I would love a One X with a hardware keyboard..... but realistically I don't think it's going to happen
If there were a case available with a keyboard like the TP2 had, or even my G2, I would definitely go for that..... I don't care if it's a bit fat, as long as it feels solid.

Didn't you see this topic ???

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Didn't you see this topic ???
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yes....
it's been up on the first page of this forum for many days now.....

But still an HTC one Z would be awesome!

[Q] Hardware Keyboard suggestions?

I loved my HTC Desire Z. It was my 2nd android phone after the HTC Dream and it just felt great to hold and use. Assuming of course that the HTC sense rom was ditched and CM was installed. I loved it.
Two years down the road the hardware keyboard starts to respond poorly to presses. I have to push firmly down some of the keys for them to work. I decide to go ahead and open it up for cleaning in the hopes that it will work better. As a result of my cleaning the keyboard now works even WORSE than before and is practically unusable at the top left corner.
HTC does not have service centers for my phone in Japan where I live so if I want to get it fixed I have to send it to Taiwan with UPS (already done it once for other problem) and the whole process is ridiculously expensive since the phone is no longer in warranty.
I find it kinda depressing that our gear just works for 2 years and has to be thrown away. On the other hand I partially accept responsibility for choosing to buy a handset that is not available in the country where I live.
I don't care that the phone runs an old version of android because I really like the hardware keyboard. So if I'm going to throw this phone away, what should I buy to replace it? i.e. What is the best hardware keyboard android phone out there right now? Please note I'm mainly interested in a great keyboard, not the phone specs.

there are tons of threads on this subject throught xda, i suggest digging a bit to see what others think
but hey, i feel for ya, i am a qwerty fanatic myself! i have a dream, a doubleshot, a sidekick 4g, and the vision, all have pretty good keyboards. the best of these four (to me) are the dream and the sk4g
now the doubleshot beats them all in specs but has the worst keyboard (still nice enough though) but if you are interested in new and a good keyboard try out the samsung relay 4g, test one out and the keyboard is pretty good and will beat any of my other four in performance.

I did a gsmarena search of all android physical keyboard phones* with at least as good spec as the Vision. I don't know how useful this'll be to you, in the UK I think the HTC Desire Z was the last keyboard phone sold. Most of the phones in that link are just "normal" phones with hw keyboards but are rebranded with sometimes completely different names, so if I were you I'd also try to match them up with their non-keyboard equivalents and read reviews about them also.
A big thing for me would also be the dev. Community, and also the support of the manufacturer itself; for that reason I'd go with a Samsung or Sony.
*what is the proper name for a phone with a physical keyboard? All the ones I think of are such a mouthful, if there isn't one we need a short, silly, memorable name for hw keyboard phones preferably just for the Vision forums... It would be kinda like an in joke :silly:

Samsung Galaxy Relay
My wife needed a qwerty after coming to Android from Blackberry, so we bought the Samsung Galaxy Relay. It's a great phone, a definite upward move from the G2/DesireZ, but I'm not sure of its availability outside the US.

What have you used to clean it? It sounds like if you either haven't cleaned it through;y enough, or damaged it. Hopefully the first.

Since no-one seems to be able to manufacture a qwerty android phone anymore (due to lack of demand from us? I don't think so) I'm a little surprised that the aftermarket niche hasn't picked up on this and created a small keyboard that is attachable to the backside of any phone.
This would open up huge alternatives regarding screen-size, upgradeability and also more choices when buying operator-locked phones. All phones would be qwerty-capable.