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Why I hate the Note 2...

It's so damn good I have no compelling reason to upgrade to another phone at all. Thanks a lot for curing my new phone itch

pearse said:
It's so damn good I have no compelling reason to upgrade to another phone at all. Thanks a lot for curing my new phone itch
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I agree completely! It's the best phone I've ever owned, by far. And with Android 4.3 coming, I simply don't have a compelling reason to re-tool (batteries, cases, etc.) as a result of buying a Note 3.

I bought a Note 3 and ended up returning it; while it was a nice upgrade, particularly the screen, it was not compelling enough for me to justify the expense (paid full price up front), especially with the Knox efuse issue on the N3. The upcoming software update for my trusty Note II sealed the deal.

I had a Nexus 5 is my cart and decided to just continue using the Note 2 I recently picked up. I love this thing!

big gulps huh? said:
I had a Nexus 5 is my cart and decided to just continue using the Note 2 I recently picked up. I love this thing!
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That makes two of us. Google helped me decide by selling out of the black Nexus 5 16GB at my moment of weakness. I am glad I didn't bite.

Glad you guys find it ok. I'd feel the same if my GPS could get a lock and if I didn't have the Call Log issue with calls not showing up unless I hold the phone in Horizontal mode.

Daman28n88 said:
Glad you guys find it ok. I'd feel the same if my GPS could get a lock and if I didn't have the Call Log issue with calls not showing up unless I hold the phone in Horizontal mode.
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Must be problems with you rom

only thing that botters me is the screen wake lagwhen in deep sleep. I think its unacceptable for a flagship device.
but its not a dealbreaker since i don't change.... All the rest is soo good

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Must be problems with you rom
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Stock

I feel the same. I want a nexus for software but I think I would have regret about screen size and battery life. All the optimization in the world can't make up for the battery size gap.

I owned both and to be honest have not touched my note 2 since I got 3. Love note 3and all it features.
NOTE 3

I love my note 2 I got a zerolemon 9300Mah battery and the screen is irreplaceable to me I could never go to something smaller again.

thompsos said:
I bought a Note 3 and ended up returning it; while it was a nice upgrade, particularly the screen, it was not compelling enough for me to justify the expense (paid full price up front), especially with the Knox efuse issue on the N3. The upcoming software update for my trusty Note II sealed the deal.
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I'm glad to hear that, I thought long and hard about upgrading but in the end decided it really wouldn't be that noticeable for the amount of money it costs. Besides from what i've read we get better battery life anyway :laugh:

Daman28n88 said:
Glad you guys find it ok. I'd feel the same if my GPS could get a lock and if I didn't have the Call Log issue with calls not showing up unless I hold the phone in Horizontal mode.
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What rom are you running? I get an accurate GPS lock almost instantly as long as I have all the location settings turned on.

misterzeno said:
I feel the same. I want a nexus for software but I think I would have regret about screen size and battery life. All the optimization in the world can't make up for the battery size gap.
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Same here. I actually bought a G2 and ended up returning it quickly, just couldn't get over how small the screen real estate is compared to the note 2 (plus it was surprisingly laggy for a new flagship).

I love my note 2. I'm not sure I want a phone without a removable battery or sd card. I make my old phones into dedicated gps units after they've aged. It's cheaper getting a spare battery occasionally then new phone when the battery is toast. I continue to use our old droid 2's for gps. I'm a truck driver and having a truckers specific gps is a life saver. The nexus 5 would be great and a ton of fun but no removable battery and no sd card make it tough to say yes to.
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I thought about upgrading to the Note 3 but after playing with it for some time I ended up keeping my Note II. I can't justify the cost of the 3.
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I wanted the new nexus, but with no removable battery and SD card slot and a 4.95 screen I think I'll keep my note 2 until the nexus 6 or note4 drop
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BACARDILIMON said:
I owned both and to be honest have not touched my note 2 since I got 3. Love note 3and all it features.
NOTE 3
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Well I think no one is saying the Note 2 is better and of course everyone of us would use the Note 3 over the Note 2 if we have both. But I most of the people here are saying that the price of the Note 3 does not justify upgrading based on the different features each phone offer.
I, for one would love to have the Note 3 over the Note 2 but not at the price that I have to pay for the "extra" features. I will have to wait for the next version since I can see doing most of the things the Note 3 can do once we get a firmware update (or new roms to flash).

thompsos said:
I bought a Note 3 and ended up returning it; while it was a nice upgrade, particularly the screen, it was not compelling enough for me to justify the expense (paid full price up front), especially with the Knox efuse issue on the N3. The upcoming software update for my trusty Note II sealed the deal.
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Gave the Note 2 to my wife. The Note 3 for me is a major improvement over the 2. I'll upgrade her N2 when the update hits... Of course the upgrade for the N2 will include Knox so there is no way getting around that. We now have root access on the N3 the doesn't trip the Knox counter so that's a non-issue now.
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[Q] Just 2 steps from buying the Galaxy Note 2...

Hi,
I was about to buy the GS4 but I thought of the Note II
I'm impressed with this phablet
Just 2 questions about the note 2 to make sure it's a good choice for me.
1- There is a huge difference in hardware (CPU & GPU) between note 2 and the S4
But I saw that people don't have any lag even in latest hardcore games
Can the note 2 be good for a while or maybe in the near future it will be and old device & can't handle new games??
I mean the S4 got about 28000 vs 18000 on the note 2 on ANTUTU Bench.
I this points difference is for nothing?
2- The camera of the note 2... If I try to capture a written text on the blackboard about 7~10 meters far away from me... can I really get the a good picture?? (I mean in the college )
Or should I get the 13MP of the S4??

Hi and welcome!
1. The difference between Note 2 hardware and GS4 hardware is not so important as long as Note 2's hardware can provide enough power. And it does. Plenty. If you look to benchmarks for answers, you'll be disappointed to know that the synthetic benchmarks don't reflect real life usage, so the scores are more or less an indicator. Not to mention that the newer phones like GS4 have some tweaks in order to get higher scores in benchmarks. You can safely buy Note 2 from this point of view, it's powerful enough to play any game out there, plus it does it on a big beautiful screen and not eating all your battery while doing it.
2. The camera can take good pictures, for what you say you need, it's perfect. You may get bigger pictures from the GS4 due to it's lager sensor, but unless you shoot very small text or you need to print a banner from it, you won't see the difference.
I had to make the same choice some time ago, and I went with the Note 2. I don't regret a second for doing so, especially when my GS4-using friends keep asking for chargers constantly cause their battery won't last them through a day.

Ruwin said:
Hi and welcome!
1. The difference between Note 2 hardware and GS4 hardware is not so important as long as Note 2's hardware can provide enough power. And it does. Plenty. If you look to benchmarks for answers, you'll be disappointed to know that the synthetic benchmarks don't reflect real life usage, so the scores are more or less an indicator. Not to mention that the newer phones like GS4 have some tweaks in order to get higher scores in benchmarks. You can safely buy Note 2 from this point of view, it's powerful enough to play any game out there, plus it does it on a big beautiful screen and not eating all your battery while doing it.
2. The camera can take good pictures, for what you say you need, it's perfect. You may get bigger pictures from the GS4 due to it's lager sensor, but unless you shoot very small text or you need to print a banner from it, you won't see the difference.
I had to make the same choice some time ago, and I went with the Note 2. I don't regret a second for doing so, especially when my GS4-using friends keep asking for chargers constantly cause their battery won't last them through a day.
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Thanks, you made my day :cyclops:
But I hope that other people ensure what you say cause I get confused after someone tells me that S4 is a better choice

Well, I wrote my opinion on this matter, others may have different preferences. It all comes up to what you need - big screen + big battery vs. fullHD + newer hardware - considering that if you put my Note 2 (and I say "my Note 2" because I'm talking about rooted + custom ROM) next to a GS4, you don't see any performance difference. Any.
Oh, yeah, and the pricing difference...

I agree with ruwin. However it all depends on what you want to use it for. I personally don't care to much for TouchWiz exclusive features which are now not so exclusive. For example, OmniRom have a note 2 custom ROM with android 4.3 with working multi window and there are now plenty of apps and mods which make good use of the s-pen. That being said and considering hardware differences to be neglible what makes the note 2 'better' in my opinion is the larger screen. I couldn't go back to a smaller screen now. And if your looking for the TW features, The 4.3 upgrade should be just around the corner and there are already fully functional note 3 features being ported. Don't be scared! Get the note 2
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colsecomb said:
I agree with ruwin. However it all depends on what you want to use it for. I personally don't care to much for TouchWiz exclusive features which are now not so exclusive. For example, OmniRom have a note 2 custom ROM with android 4.3 with working multi window and there are now plenty of apps and mods which make good use of the s-pen. That being said and considering hardware differences to be neglible what makes the note 2 'better' in my opinion is the larger screen. I couldn't go back to a smaller screen now. And if your looking for the TW features, The 4.3 upgrade should be just around the corner and there are already fully functional note 3 features being ported. Don't be scared! Get the note 2
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Thanks,
waiting for other opinions

Well I've had my note 2 for a year. I was eagerly awaiting the 3 and was going to buy that.
However, my father got the s4 so I had to set it all up for him and whilst the screen is nice, its too small and the battery life is the same. For me the gimmicks it has are pointless and if I was asked to swap my 2 for the s4 I wouldn't.
I'm a big game player and the bigger screen and battery are a must for me but everyone is different.
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3vo3d said:
Well I've had my note 2 for a year. I was eagerly awaiting the 3 and was going to buy that.
However, my father got the s4 so I had to set it all up for him and whilst the screen is nice, its too small and the battery life is the same. For me the gimmicks it has are pointless and if I was asked to swap my 2 for the s4 I wouldn't.
I'm a big game player and the bigger screen and battery are a must for me but everyone is different.
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That's a good point
if it has a bigger screen + better battery life + good performance vs brighter Full HD >>> THE NOTE II WINS

The Note 2 is a better choice as it has better battery and S Pen features. Also I heard many users having problems with the S4 such as heating, etc.

Will add that if want to take pictures if blackboard notes in college, why cant you snap them after class, or have the teacher hold on for 3 seconds so you can take the photo before erasing?
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PhxDroid86 said:
Will add that if want to take pictures if blackboard notes in college, why cant you snap them after class, or have the teacher hold on for 3 seconds so you can take the photo before erasing?
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Well, some teachers don't allow us to take pictures (don't know why) so we take the photo while he is not looking
The BB also gets to be erased about 4-5 times every class, so simply I can't capture it after the class

AhmadLight said:
That's a good point
if it has a bigger screen + better battery life + good performance vs brighter Full HD >>> THE NOTE II WINS
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Yeah for me the bigger screen whilst playing is a must now. I know it seems hard to believe but I pick up my old phone and I couldn't believe how I used to play games on such a small screen.
For you I guess also price may be a factor? My dad wanted the note 2 but got a better deal on the s4.
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3vo3d said:
Yeah for me the bigger screen whilst playing is a must now. I know it seems hard to believe but I pick up my old phone and I couldn't believe how I used to play games on such a small screen.
For you I guess also price may be a factor? My dad wanted the note 2 but got a better deal on the s4.
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Well, finally I'm getting the Note 3 instead if Allah wishes :fingers-crossed:
There is a 26% discount on its price, so it's about the same price as an S4
Thanks everyone for your help
It maybe helpful for anyone who is confused about the Note 2 and the S4

[Q] Will any Note 3 user get the Note 4

Anyone jumping on the Note 4 train later in the year? I am sure we can safely assume that the specs will be top of the line.
Probably SD 805
Might even be 4GB of RAM

I may but it will depend on the actual phone once it is released. The biggest deciding factor for me will be how locked down it is.

Antutu benchmarks revealed a 2K display, which is insanely good, I would wait and see how the phone first turns out to be. The display alone is a large upgrade also the newer TW shouldn't be as bloated and more stable + better looking. So probably.

The N3 is basically perfect in my eyes, so the N4 will have to be a pretty significant improvement for me to cash in my upgrade. If they take away the home button, that'll be a definite dealbreaker for sure.

Had the N2 and N3 and will more than likely get the N4.

I buy a phone now ~every six months or so, but no guarantee it will be the Note 4 unless it's the best phone at the time. I'm about due, so they better hurry up.

kabuk1 said:
The N3 is basically perfect in my eyes, so the N4 will have to be a pretty significant improvement for me to cash in my upgrade. If they take away the home button, that'll be a definite dealbreaker for sure.
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haha I was thinking the exact opposite - the only only thing I have disliked about the Note3 and GS3 coming from my 1st smartphone (LG g2x) was the hardware home button. I loved the clean 4-soft-key setup from my old LG.
If Samsung made a Note4 for me that was just a Note3 with all softkeys I'd buy it in a heartbeat :silly:

I will be JUMPing as soon as t-mobile lets me.

ya like hardware soft keys too, on screen and hardware keys are a no no

I've had every Note since the N7000/i717 (had both of those) and the N3 is end of the line for me. It's been good but Samsung hates developers and it'll take too long to get a solid device tree for non-TW roms.

Will probably be going with an iPhone or a new Nexus phone instead.

How dare you mention iPhone on xda ?
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I will 99.9% get the N4 on the first day.

Kalm_Traveler said:
haha I was thinking the exact opposite - the only only thing I have disliked about the Note3 and GS3 coming from my 1st smartphone (LG g2x) was the hardware home button. I loved the clean 4-soft-key setup from my old LG.
If Samsung made a Note4 for me that was just a Note3 with all softkeys I'd buy it in a heartbeat :silly:
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To each their own, I guess. I'm an old lady though, I come from the era of button phones

kabuk1 said:
To each their own, I guess. I'm an old lady though, I come from the era of button phones
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There are only a few things I can think of right now that I really hate about the Note 3, and the Home button (Samsung, it's not an iPhone, and even the iPhone does it better anyway!) has to be #1.
The idiotic "drip" noise that replaced actual dialing tones, and touch sounds (audible feedback) is probably second. I had fixed the touch sounds while rooted when I was on NB4, but I upgraded to NF1 without looking up how to retain root first and Towelroot no longer works, so now I'm stuck with just turning those sounds off. I have never found a fix for the dialing tones short of replacing the dialer with a 3rd party one.
I also don't like the S-Voice or My Magazine, since they take up a otherwise useful button and can't be disabled without root (and disabling My Magazine causes double tapping the home button to crash the TW launcher).
But even with all that said, I still hate the home button first and foremost.

Will probably get the Note 4 if it supports band 12. Will come in handy up here in the North East when they deploy 700 mhz.
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If the rumors of a metal back or curved/multipane display are true than heck no! I like my samsung plastic, and the grip on this thing is perfect, and try drawing on a curved display, no thanks.
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I'm actually looking to see what Samsung does with the next generation of the Galaxy Mega 6.3. What stopped me from buying that was the low-end specs. I didn't even mind the 720p screen.
Now if Sammy can see it in their hearts to bump the specs so that it is responsive, then the next Mega will probably be my next phone.

I will get it if it comes with no Knox crap

I will... I like to be up to date with my gadgets besides note 3 is sooo last year ?
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Thinking of changing from the Note 3 to the G3? Should I.....

I'm just going to get STRAIGHT to the point......should I JUMP from the Note 3 to the G3?
Is there anyone here that have had the T-Mobile Note 3 and upgraded to the G3. If so, how is the G3 compared to the Note 3?

demonchildfp said:
I'm just going to get STRAIGHT to the point......should I JUMP from the Note 3 to the G3?
Is there anyone here that have had the T-Mobile Note 3 and upgraded to the G3. If so, how is the G3 compared to the Note 3?
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i did it, via JUMP and so far im happy lol
i got tired of note 3 big screen and didnt even use the pen for 6months. this G3 is fantastic and LG operating system is close to android stock.

I bought my G3 a week ago (M-Mo of course). It's a nice phone but the on screen navigation kills it for me, there's an option to hide them on an individual app basis, but they are slow to reappear when swiped. I knew the onscreen navigation was going to be a problem, but I took the plunge anyway.
I rooted to get a volume mod, and while I can now hear, those I'm speaking with complain of distortion.
The USB port it a ***** to get inserted. I know it's just my phone 'cause I've seen zero complaints otherwise.
I't going back next week and I'll be waiting for the Note 4.
Just me .02 cents.

audscott said:
I bought my G3 a week ago (M-Mo of course). It's a nice phone but the on screen navigation kills it for me, there's an option to hide them on an individual app basis, but they are slow to reappear when swiped. I knew the onscreen navigation was going to be a problem, but I took the plunge anyway.
I rooted to get a volume mod, and while I can now hear, those I'm speaking with complain of distortion.
The USB port it a ***** to get inserted. I know it's just my phone 'cause I've seen zero complaints otherwise.
I't going back next week and I'll be waiting for the Note 4.
Just me .02 cents.
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The USB port is a *****; however, it was pointed out somewhere else that if you try to insert the cable aiming slightly down, it goes right in. Sounds sexual but it works

nicenice19 said:
The USB port is a *****; however, it was pointed out somewhere else that if you try to insert the cable aiming slightly down, it goes right in. Sounds sexual but it works
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Lol that's what she said!....... Cmon everyone thought it........
Anyways I upgraded from a Note 3. Which I love. And yes G3 is as close to stock android as you are going to get. But I've always loved the Super Amoled screen and I still have my Note 3. The colors just pop and the blacks are dark. Can't beat them Samsung screens. It is not much smaller than the Note 3. And I'm on stock and the G3 has this laggy stuttering at times when moving from screen to screen. The back is slippery as heck unless you get a grippy case. I was using the Note 3 naked the last few months and that faux leather backing felt great in my hands and secure. Hope this helps a little bit. Might sell the G3 when the Note 4 comes out though.

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Lol that's what she said!....... Cmon everyone thought it........
Anyways I upgraded from a Note 3. Which I love. And yes G3 is as close to stock android as you are going to get. But I've always loved the Super Amoled screen and I still have my Note 3. The colors just pop and the blacks are dark. Can't beat them Samsung screens. It is not much smaller than the Note 3. And I'm on stock and the G3 has this laggy stuttering at times when moving from screen to screen. The back is slippery as heck unless you get a grippy case. I was using the Note 3 naked the last few months and that faux leather backing felt great in my hands and secure. Hope this helps a little bit. Might sell the G3 when the Note 4 comes out though.
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I'm afraid that if I wait until the Note 4 comes out, that KNOX will be such a bigger issue that it was with the note 3. That's the only reason that I'm considering the JUMP.....

The only the thing I think the note 3 has better then G3 is battery life other then that the G3 gives close to a stock android experience with extras to it

I just made a migration though importing call record and texts can be tricky.
It's smaller than Note 3 yet the screen is 5.5".
I really like "tap to wake" feature.
Sound is a bit louder than Note 3.
LTE reception is better than Note 3 too.

The lag and jitter are present no matter what you do from time to time. Does the note 3 lag? I would probably switch when the note 4 comes out. BTW I love the onscreen button , don't understand what's not to like.
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audscott said:
I bought my G3 a week ago (M-Mo of course). It's a nice phone but the on screen navigation kills it for me, there's an option to hide them on an individual app basis, but they are slow to reappear when swiped. I knew the onscreen navigation was going to be a problem, but I took the plunge anyway.
I rooted to get a volume mod, and while I can now hear, those I'm speaking with complain of distortion.
The USB port it a ***** to get inserted. I know it's just my phone 'cause I've seen zero complaints otherwise.
I't going back next week and I'll be waiting for the Note 4.
Just me .02 cents.
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What do you mean by on screen navigation?

I kinda thought that, but if I make this JUMP now, I will nit be able to upgrage again until February. So I'm thinking long and hard before I make my decision.

I jumped from the note 3 and haven't looked back:good: I absolutely LOVE this phone.

I jumped from the note 3 too. The battery life on the note 3 was very slightly better in terms of usage, but the standby on the lg g3 is way better. I hated the chrome guards on my note 3 it started scraping up the first couple days of having it. I also hated touchwiz and the camera on the note 3. The camera was okay on the note 3 but it seemed really inconsistent. I stopped using the spen about 5 months of getting the phone. Overall I have no regrets jumping the only thing I really miss on the note 3 is the usb 3.0 cord that charges the phone really fast.

Jumped from note 3 as well love the g3 so far haven't regreted it.

i wouldn't. 2 more months and you can see what note 4 will offer. you should wait

demonchildfp said:
I'm just going to get STRAIGHT to the point......should I JUMP from the Note 3 to the G3?
Is there anyone here that have had the T-Mobile Note 3 and upgraded to the G3. If so, how is the G3 compared to the Note 3?
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I came from a Note 3 as well. I also HATE the Navigation bar. It reduces the screen real estate (I also hate Samsung buttons). I disabled it and use pie which works amazing.
I've been a long time user and fan of amoled and there is a difference between the screen on the N3 and the G3. For now I prefer the screen on the G3, I got tired of the over saturation.
The battery is about as good as the N3 for my usage.
G3 feels a lot smaller. Has a better feel in the hand.
And I find the LG's skin to be better than Touchwiz on the Note 3. I dislike Touchwiz so much.
I don't think I'm gonna be installing CM on this phone if it ever comes out. It's fine the way it is. Of course I rooted it and have xposed installed.
Nexus ONE

Me personally, I haven't used the pen that much either but touchwiz is way too bloated. I agree with you @Actionx1 I totally hate the navigation bar but that is a great alternative. I have a gut feeling that the Note 4 would not be worth the upgrade. I dont know why, but I have a feeling.

I jumped from the Note 3 and got a lemon the first time. A few days later after returning it, I decided to give the G3 another chance. So far, really liking it. But, will probably get the Note 4 since I really like the Note series and hand me down the G3 to my dad.

Try out the phones. Forget specs and looks, try out the UI. That's my golden rule.
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I switched from the Note 3. I like the G3 because it feels like IOS (which I love) combined with Touchwiz. I love the screen though I wish it was brighter and Super Amoled. The 3 gigs of ram is awesome. The battery life could be better. There are little things that are going to take some getting used to. So far I like this phone and I'm gonna hold on to it until the note 4 or iphone 6 comes out.
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AT&T note 4 coming from note 3 not worth it?

Honestly not sure if anyone else feels this way so I'm curious what the rest of the At&t Note 4 community has to say...specifically on this...I mean two very important sensors got replaced for a fingerprint sensor and a heartbeat monitor that when you have a case on both are hard to use like it becomes pointless...which I think they are both too early in development to actually lose a humidity and temp sensor which alot of apps like to grab ahold of and becomes kind of important...the restriction is killer almost like I don't want it anymore honestly no root locked bootloader...can't do that for as long as I have been let alone alot longer...the camera has alot of gimmicks in it but does have a little better camera itself just think the software is horrible...I will say the pixel difference is there though and the screen is wonderful...it does have the lastest snapdragon which i like its the only reason why I still wanna hold it honestly...the battery is like a huge noticeable difference it decays alot faster then the three did and the phone does warm up alot more I think it has alot to do with the snapdragon the screen and the software layout like there is a lot of white when there doesn't need to be and the teal menu &!*# kills me I can't stand it there are alot of s5 layouts and even apps on here that they tried to hide but don't even work almost like they ported the s5 to the note 4 with minor changes it sucks ...but is that worth it over the note 3 I replaced it with I don't think it is....it think maybe a tmobile version of this phone would be worth replacing my at&t note 3 maybe thats a maybe its like they just through something together and sent it out because apple has a new i phone they need to compete with but it needs work i think it got put out to early...but this is definitely not worth it...just my opinion I'm curious what others feel...if it was a loss or a gain...
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I am coming from the Note 3 and I am loving the 4. The screen is amazing, I find battery life even better that the 3. Definitely more responsive with the 805 Snapdragon. I have the Ringke Slim case which allows me to still use the heart monitor with no issues. I find the fingerprint sensor to be a nice option. I personally don't mind the teal settings menu since I just don't interact that much with the menu. I also really liked the Note 3

I always believed that somebody who own a Galaxy Note should wait at least two year period for upgraded.
Hardware jump is not as impressive as the Note 3 and quite frankly, Samsung is really becoming insistent that the better value of the device is it ecosystem and built-in app.
So any one who are still owning a Note 3, don't feel the rush to upgrading, you are fin at least until Note 5 has something better to offer.

2.5D glass makes the device a dream to use when swiping from the edges of the display.I went from the note 2 to the M7 to the Note 3 to the M8 to the Note 4 and I think it's worth it but I'm a early adopter/ enthusiast type of guy

Both phones are great and indeed very similar, but the Note 4 just kills it on camera which blows it out of the park.
Battery life for me has been better with Note 4 ever since I killed the bloatware (compared to N3).
Seriously though, the camera... It's not even about pixel count at all, it's the optical image stabilization and wider field of view... Incredibly more capable as a walk-around point 'n shoot. The glass seems to capture a sharper and wider image. This has nothing to do with pixel count. Numbers only tell you so much... Image quality tells you everything

IMO, it depends. My Note 3 running DynamicKat was pretty much just as fast as the Note 4, plus I had all the other benefits of being rooted. Honestly, I've been using the Note 4 since it came out but I find a reason I missed my Note 3 everyday......
EXCEPT! IMO, the "Quick Charge" is the biggest reason to get the Note 4. I'm no longer caring about my battery life. Seriously, I LOVE that feature.

I came from the note 3, and love the note 4. I will, however, return this one, and buy the t-mobile one. That way I can root.
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AcquiredIntellect said:
Two very important sensors got replaced for a fingerprint sensor and a heartbeat monitor
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Here's the Note 3 sensors...
Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, gesture, temperature, humidity
And the Note 4's...
Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, gesture, UV, heart rate, SpO2 (blood oxygen)
So UV, heart rate, and blood oxygen replaced temperature and humidity. I'd guess how "very important" the swap is depends on individual use cases. Out of curiosity, how did the loss of temperature and humidity sensors impact what you do with your phone?
No root locked bootloader
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It's the new "normal." Look what Google themselves is doing with 5.0. Two years ago I'd say about 75% of my circle of friends and associates rooted their phones. Today it's about 25%. Anyone connecting to a company network can't use a "tampered" phone. And it's not a physical restriction, it's the security document you sign that says using a tampered device to connect to the company network is an instant terminable offense. So T-Mobile doesn't lock their bootloaders (they don't do a lot of national account business either) but that's going to become the exception not the rule. I haven't been able to use a rooted device in over a year based on the networks I need to connect to.
The camera has alot of gimmicks in it but does have a little better camera itself just think the software is horrible...
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You're pretty much alone in your opinion. You give up nothing from the Note 3 and gain a lot. And that's according to people on the forum and reviewers.
The battery is like a huge noticeable difference it decays alot faster then the three did
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Set up exactly like my Note 3, I'm getting 25-35% better battery life on my Note 4. So are a lot of other people here.
The phone does warm up alot more I think it has alot to do with the snapdragon
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When doing what? I haven't noticed any difference in heat output; at least the way I use my phone.
The screen and the software layout like there is a lot of white when there doesn't need to be and the teal menu &!*# kills me
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I can't stand it there are alot of s5 layouts and even apps on here that they tried to hide but don't even work almost like they ported the s5 to the note 4 with minor changes it sucks
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The Note 3's over a year old and so is its interface. The SGS5 is six months old and was Samsung's first effort to streamline and flatten TW and move to a more contemporary UX design and colors. The Note 4's s/w looks far more modern and has much better stock app integration than the Note 3's. I think you'll find it hard to find people that want to go back to a UX design that was already dated when the N3 launched. UI and UX design is also subjective.

Battery is better than GN3. It has to be some bloat were, if you have a poor battery life, an Index Service bug, for example. GN4 is substantially faster not only based on the CPU speed, but also on a faster memory controller. Definitely better and faster camera, brighter screen for outdoor use.

I got the Note 4, for me the upgrade was worth it including the other sensors. I would defiantly upgrade if you have the option through the Next program, if you're going to have to pay retail, not worth it.

I was rooted on my Note 3, but I have disabled all AT&T apps and have the exact same setup with Nova Prime on my Note 4. Hands down, this is a better device in terms of screen, camera, and for me most importantly BATTERY LIFE! My Note 3 was running stock rom with root because I have AT&T versions. The biggest eater of my battery life was Android Wear with my Moto 360. It literally sucked the life out of my Note 3 where it would only last barely a day - it was pretty bad. Also, I've owned every Note since the first one came out. I had a black Note 1 and people were shocked by how big it was when it first came out. I then got a white Note 2 (I truly loved this phone - it was rooted with the best rom = CLEANROM). The white Note 3 that replaced it was decent. Now, I'm back to all black with a Ringke Slim Black Soft Feel case. The battery life just doesn't seem to want to drop at all, lol. Even the stock pull down doesn't bother me as others have said. I still have it pretty customized using light manager and Textra, etc. I used Helium to restore all my app data perfectly. I highly recommend the Note 4. However, like others have noted, it's probably best to get the Tmobile version if you have the money and root it and use it on AT&T. The only reason I stuck with AT&T is because my friend has a hook up (I got my phone really early) and the amount just factors into my bill through the Next program so it's cheaper overall.

I was heading towards the Nexus 6 but with the debacle today I think I will go for the note 4. Your comments were very helpful.
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2.5D glass?
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2.5D glass makes the device a dream to use when swiping from the edges of the display.I went from the note 2 to the M7 to the Note 3 to the M8 to the Note 4 and I think it's worth it but I'm a early adopter/ enthusiast type of guy
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its the edge your talking about right? or something like the 3D glass you out on?

I went from the Note 2 to the Note 4, and honestly, I would still call this an incremental upgrade. That's not a knock on the phone, merely an observation on the state of the technology in this category.
The screen is much better, but the speed increases are negligible, the software is not significantly improved, the stylus actually feels cheaper and a step back though I have not used it enough to make a call on functionality. I did not spend any time with the Note 3, but this is actually (IMO) less comfortable to hold vs the Note 2 due to the "squared" design.
I was skeptical of upgrading, but I had numerous hardware issues after two years with the Note 2 that really forced my hand into upgrading now. If you're OK with your Note 2 or 3, then pocket the cash or donate a portion to me and wait for the next big thing. Wow. That was not intentional.

I was thinking about passing note 4 cuz I had a Note 3 (rooted) . The screen is amazing and my battery is absurdly insane awesome on the note 4 . I'm a moderate user to heavy use and haven't got battery below 75 % . I'm impressed !
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I came from my wonderful rooted Note 3 running urdroid rom to this amazing specimen of a phone.
snappiness
camera quality
screen quality
s-health coolness
Sheer power to carve up commands effortlessly
battery life
quick charge
These are all things that I consider more than just marginal improvements over my Note 3. I honestly never thought I would be using touchwiz. I'm the guy that automatically goes and installs nova prime without batting an eye. I'm going two week strong on touchwiz and loving it. The spen integration is improved. I like the new wrinkles around being able to manipulate windows and apps in bubbles and such. I pledged for root because the one thing that I don't like on stock is the fact that I have no real control over how cluttered my notification area gets up top. Give me root with wanam exposed and I am one happy camper.
It may be gimmicky bit I like being able to gauge my stress level. I measured my stress level and my wife's at the same time one evening. We had both just gotten home from work. She was clearly stressed while I had what I thought was a low stress day. The measurement was on point. This phone is making me utilize s-health more than ever before and I like that. I run a lot and count calories so it comes in handy.
All things considered, rooted or not, this is one helluva piece of technology.
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its the edge your talking about right? or something like the 3D glass you out on?
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it's the rounded edges of the glass,yes

It is probably worth the upgrade but not until Note 4 has root. I couldn't give up my custom roms
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Also coming from the Note 3... And I'm still on it.
Note 4 is in its box until the wifi issue is fixed. Any B, G, N network speed is horrible. AC Seems fine though but I travel a lot and AC is new and expensive, no where is going to have it so its unacceptable for me.
Its really not an upgrade, its like getting an iPhone 4 S from a 4 or a 5 S from a 5. Yeah the cameras are a bit better, but that's about it in all honesty. Hating Kit Kat.

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Both phones are great and indeed very similar, but the Note 4 just kills it on camera which blows it out of the park.
Battery life for me has been better with Note 4 ever since I killed the bloatware (compared to N3).
Seriously though, the camera... It's not even about pixel count at all, it's the optical image stabilization and wider field of view... Incredibly more capable as a walk-around point 'n shoot. The glass seems to capture a sharper and wider image. This has nothing to do with pixel count. Numbers only tell you so much... Image quality tells you everything
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How did you kill the bloatware if not Rooted?