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The camera quality is very low.
Anyone know software or procedure to improve quality ?
What do you mean, by very low? I find it quite okay for a 3.15 mp. It's not like the 5mp of the diamond 2, or those on nokia phones, but you don't buy a touch pro 2 for the camera, you know?
The only bad photos I've seen from the TP2 are when there's low lighting--the picture gets noise, distortions. Maybe if you posted one of yours and explained how you wanted it improved someone could give you some tips. Otherwise I'd recommend trying some shots in good lighting and see if you get better results.
I've never seen anyone demonstrate the 3.2mp camera of the TP2 has noticeably worse quality than the 5mp camera on D2 with side-by-sides taken under the same conditions. For the sake of people for whom picture quality is important, you'd think some blog would've given that a shot.
There is a good comparison with the HD here (you all would have seen this anyway).
I found if you change the Quality to Super Fine and increase the Sharpness to +5 under Image Properties you will squeeze a little more out of it.
Under poor lighting, you can try and tilt the device around and watch the screen while the lens gains and loses light exposure. Sometimes a small adjustment in camera angle makes all the difference.
Still auto focus and macro functionality is so much better than my Trinity.
It is what is is but I find it pretty good.
Check out the two images attached that I took on the weekend, for a phone cam it's not bad. Definitely better than the majority of 5MP phone cams out there (they pretty much all have the same rubbish sensor anyway.) These were taken with all the settings on standard (didn't know there was a super fine lol)
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There is a good comparison with the HD here (you all would have seen this anyway).
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I'm amazed at the amount of noise in those TP2 shots, even the outdoor ones. That's not something I've seen in other outdoor shots from the TP2.
There are a number of reasons why the quality is bad on the Pro 2 which I am trying to work out.
1) You cannot change the capture format from JPEG, this means that JPEG compression is noticeably visible. There must be a way to change this otherwise they would not show this option
2) Metering mode algorithms - They suck! simple as that. My Sony Ericsson W800i was better at taking photos than this.
3) Sharpness - you have to play around with it as I have a feeling you either need less of it or more.
4) Resolution - I learnt from my previous phone LG Viewty (5MP) that not always the largest resolution is the best to use on all occasions. So I advise testing out the same shots but in different resolutions, I stuck with 1MP.
I think the camera has potential but the algorithms on the cam driver doesn't perform well enough for such a high end device.
How to compensate for noisy and grainy photos:
Install Noiseware for Windows
Reduce your photo like you should be doing anyway to about 50% of it's original size.
What I do is import my photos into photoshop automatically when the device is connected and I use an action to reduce all the photos in batch processes, then if I want to I'll use Noiseware to reduce some of the noise out from the photo. (Free version you have to do that manually not in PS)
Windows Mobile has Windows Update so I am pretty sure that when Windows 6.5 is officially released there will be some form of a firmware upgrade or service pack that will improve the camera quality, if not then I'm sure the cam driver is accessible for us to edit. Most likely the algorithms would be in hexadecimal format.
I honestly dont think its bad at all, but then personally I didnt buy it with the camera as one of the reasons, but for facebook etc its pretty damn good for the MP.
It is afterall a business device not a SLR.
haha it's a camera phone. The photos are supposed to be shoddy.
Those shots were taken absolutely stock with no tweaking, they are noisy, because it is a phone with a camera unit smaller than a 10p piece and a lense which is minute. They are nowhere near as noisy as in that comparison review posted and so I question the authors ability.
If you buy a phone for a camera then I really do pity you as at best the results are always going to be shocking, i.e the best camera phone is pretty much on par with the average £50 digital camera.
Can we get more users posting some test images?
Im currently deciding on a new phone and this has been on my mind, those comparison shots are pretty shoddy >< dazkeirle loo fine though
Tip: remove back cover and make sure the lense is clean!
Could it be register related?
If so, i took a peek at my registery value for the camera in:
HKLM>Drivers>BuiltIn>Camera>
My sensor type says 4100. Maybe there a different types ?
Maybe it's nothing, maybe it is.
Is it just a horrible camera or is it something that can be fixed through software? I have 7 friends with evo's we will all put up $50/ea or so some im sure will pay more to the developers paypal account if we can get better picture quality on the front and back cameras.... Please we are begging ANYONE who can do it i will pay the bounty to.
You would probably have better luck spending that $50 on photography lessons or buying some decent post-processing software. Firmware isn't going to make you or your friends any better photgraphers.
I used my Evo while on vacation, and a good quality point and shoot. Both cameras took equally great pictures. Try to limit the use of the zoom, as it doesn't turn out well.
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as a former pro photographer. (not tooting my horn, just explaining)
QUALITY comes from both the photographer and the camera. More megapixels doesnt mean better QUALITY. it means larger IMAGE. you want better QUALITY get a larger SENSOR, notice the words in caps here people.
Some facts about the camera, from what i can tell by use, not spec sheets, if someone wants to provide one that'd be great, i didnt find one, but i didnt look too hard.
Its a telezoom lens, meaning it has focal length (mm #) greater (AFAICT) than that of the human eye. minimum focus distance is about 6-8" and its got a digital zoom (bleh).
Digital zoom for those that dont know will crop out part of the photo and enlarge the rest, digitally. Which is fine up to a point, after this point you end up with pixelation and bleh images.
As for taking better pictures, go read some rules on composition (the rule of thirds) and if its your cup of tea color scheme and color interaction.
Ive taken some nice photos with this camera. Just a nice rooftop with some desaturation. BAM
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i just dont see why we would have to photoshop our pictures to make them look better the brights are to bright the darks are to dark its just foolishness the only downside i have with this phone is the camera/picture quality
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i just dont see why we would have to photoshop our pictures to make them look better the brights are to bright the darks are to dark its just foolishness the only downside i have with this phone is the camera/picture quality
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who said anything about photoshop. that was in camera. if the highs/lows are too much, check your settings.
If you want i have plenty of other samples. Go back, read my previous reply, you might learn something.
nenn said:
who said anything about photoshop. that was in camera. if the highs/lows are too much, check your settings.
If you want i have plenty of other samples. Go back, read my previous reply, you might learn something.
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Is there a good online resource for learning to set white balance adjustments and those sort of things on a camera? I've always had a fascination with photography, but I admit I use P&S and automatic settings because I have no idea what those settings do...
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Is there a good online resource for learning to set white balance adjustments and those sort of things on a camera? I've always had a fascination with photography, but I admit I use P&S and automatic settings because I have no idea what those settings do...
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the best resource to learn how to change those settings honestly is your camera manual. the next best resource to learn how they work, is to play with them.
a good book will teach you the basics. The Photographers handbook 3rd Edition is the book i used and it will teach you a ton about manual settings and basic SLR/dSLR usage. not to mention film development and i think printing technique.
I leave the iso on 100 all the time (less grain), and toggle back and forth on WB, daytime for outside pics and auto for everything else.
i have no problem with the camera i toy with the settings and take some really good photos with my camera !
not sure what people are *****ing about
Also maybe a higher class memory card
I'll have to agree with the OP. The camera on the Evo is really a let down. They got us excited with the 8 megapixel hype but it really was a let down. Same thing with the camera on the Hero. Honestly I think my Pre takes clearer pictures. It's not even in the same class as the iPhone 4 and this is coming from somebody who has bashed it since day one, but after looking at some pics and videos taken from my friend's iPhone I was literally blown away. Couldn't believe they came from a phone and not a expensive digital camera. HTC dropped the ball in that department.
Iphone has a better screen, have y'all tried cm roms, his camera app is way better than sense
im on cm6 rc2 still grainy no matter what...
My mistake his video camera app is better, there's people working on it I'm sure, I don't think its too bad myself
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im on cm6 rc2 still grainy no matter what...
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No way, lower your ISO to 100 (top config button, scroll down). Clean is day.
The camera is that bad? Really?
Here's a pic I took at Niagara Falls:
http://tinypic.com/m/be99qq/3
I'm FAR from a photographer, but some of the pics I get are at least as good as an entry level point and shoot - which is more than I expected out of it.
Some tips I have:
-make sure you are holding the phone still so the autofocus can adjust properly.
-after you hit the shutter button, make sure you hold still until it's really done taking the picture otherwise you may blur the image
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No way, lower your ISO to 100 (top config button, scroll down). Clean is day.
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Where do you see ISO?
my top config button displays Focus Mode and Exposure.
I'm also on CM6 nightlies
Thanks
That menu scrolls down.
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Scroll down inside that setting box, there are tons of settings inside that top box...
I am thinking of getting a Defy as a free upgrade to my Hero. Reviews of camera seem mixed but general impression is that it's not brilliant, especially in low light. Interested to hear the views of people here.
You can compare the photos from defy with various other phones, including N8, iPhone4 on gsmarena site. Just click on some of the latest reviews, doesnt matter which phone, and go to the camera section of the review. There is a photo compare tool.
Thanks. That was helpful but I am more interested in the low light performance.
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Thanks. That was helpful but I am more interested in the low light performance.
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I was pleasantly suprised with the quality of the flash. up to a metre or 2 it is very effective and doesn't wash out the photo like some others. All in all I am pleases with the camera - thats just my opinion though.
Thanks. I am almost certainly going to get one. The nagging doubt in the back of my mind is the speaker issue. Difficult to know how much of a problem it really is. People who don't have the issue (obviously) don't post to forums
None of those Cell Cameras are that cool in low light compared to a DSLR. What would really help is a camera app that writes out a dng file so that one can properly posprocess this in say Lightroom/Photoshop/Noiseware.
Just for completeness shake, the camera module seems to be a MT9PT012 ...
Higgsy said:
I was pleasantly suprised with the quality of the flash. up to a metre or 2 it is very effective and doesn't wash out the photo like some others. All in all I am pleases with the camera - thats just my opinion though.
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IMHO - flash and camera is pretty awful. Here's a shot with flash, I even gave it +20 brightness in Gimp:
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Then again, I might be spoiled by these babies:
Ironically - That was shot with my HTC Desire
I guess the Defy's camera is just below cell-phone average. It should't be your only camera, but for "Hey this looks fun!" shots it'll do fine.
I really like my defy but, honestly, the camera is not the best part.
Also the display looks not so brilliant as the desire's one.
I'm not saying they're bad, just they're not wonderful, but considering defy's price it's absolutely fair.
Well, one thing none of the others can do is H2Oing it. I just filmed in water, definitely better results than any other phone attempting the same
I'm using the Camera360 app. There is a filter called "Effect enhancement". If i you this one, the pictures look better - the ones taken in short range. Ok, they do look a bit "artifical", but for me its ok. There is a "free" version of that app for trying out...
The Defy is not the first Android i bought, but it will be the first Android, which will not be sold again. I really like this phone...
Maybe there will be some kind of camera-optimization. Until then, i will take my digi-cam for "more important" pictures to make.
Best regards
Stefan
Here is sample picture, resized, with flash and taken with camera360 app.
This was taken with a Galaxy S
This was taken with the Defy, different day so not a direct comparison. The weather was worse and it was cloudy. Hope this give you an idea of comparison though.
Defy on macro with flash
Defy with macro no flash. Shows good detail.
thanks
Photos aren't that great but they're not awful. I do find that the built in editing (kodak perfect touch) does an excellent job though. The macro mode and color reproduction aren't as good as my vibrant. But overall im satisfied.
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disturkis4u said:
Photos aren't that great but they're not awful. I do find that the built in editing (kodak perfect touch) does an excellent job though. The macro mode and color reproduction aren't as good as my vibrant. But overall im satisfied.
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yeah I agree that kodak perfect touch enhancement works well
What about Videos in 720p ?
Anyone succeed to take videos in 720p with Froyo 2.2 ?
have you tryed the kodak perfect touch option?? It's excelent! for night pics, and remember to use the "night" mode in dark places
imo, It's good++
I took pictures with it for the first time today. I did not like the quality of the pictures. My first impressions:
Pros: The LED flash is bright and puts my old BB Curve to shame. You could use it to blind a night time attacker if you could instantly turn it on with an external button.
The interface to take pictures is pretty good and easy to use.
Cons:
-Colors are muddy and off color even when shot outdoors.
-Colors with the flash are not automatically corrected and show up with the blue/white color cast of the LED flash.
-Color space compression is very noticable with banding visible under various conditions.
-Slow to take a picture because it does not focus until you click the onscreen button to take the photo.
I thought video was better on balance than the camera but it is rather poor in low light (as expected). I hope that I will learn to get better results with it after more testing but I'm glad it's not a primary reason for me to own the Defy.
-felipe
What about 720p videos?
Could someone try it?with froyo??
I found the camera pretty good in comparaison of my old phone.
But there's a hudge miss on the native camera app: you cannot change the JPG compression and by default it's very very compressed! Some have their 5Mpxl pictures that takes around 300kB (it should be 1.5MB at least!).
Maybe if someone know a way to change this settings it would be nice for improving the quality of the final picture
I really like the Vignette app for the camera, it's old school styles go rather well with the "performance" of the camear
Hi guys! I don't know if someone already post something about...
I'm quite expert in photography, i got a good experience in serveral years of photoshots with my canon 350D and later Canon 40D, so i would like to espose a technical issue of the nexus camera.
You maybe need some skill in photography to understand all, i assume you know the basis.
I notice that nexus camera shot photos ONLY at f/2.8, that is also the maximum aperture of the lens. For those who knows the general rules of photography this just sound not good.
Maximum aperture (our case F/2.8) is needed when you shot with low light situation, but for other situation, in daylight, shot at f 2.8 reduce the depth of field and also the sharpness of the detail in picture, because the lens works better when you close the aperture to an high numer ( f 4 or f 5.6). This more closed aperture would be better for ALL picture you take in daylight, results as more detailed picture and a general better sharpness.
I do some test for understand how the camera work, but there is no situations where the camera shots at different aperture... if you take a photo with strong sun light (at 12.00 ) camera take f 2.8 aperture and, for not burn the light, 1/3400" time !!!!!! like you take photo at F1 cars in action !!
Obviusly, if you shot a landscape you don't need a SO FAST time (landscape did't move ) but you need a close aperture for obtain a better picture!
i hope it's clear (sorry for english....)
Now, what we can do? can the camera shot at more close aperture? or it's an hardware limit? (it would be strange however...)
maybe we can tell google to take a look at this "problem"
You're forgetting something, the 'lense' is most probably an f/2.8 prime, it's not going to have aperture blades so it can't possibly change f/stop.
The only thing we could change if there were manual settings are ISO and shutter speed.
After having a play for five minutes it looks to me like the Nexus has a prime aperture of f/2.8, a maximum shutter speed of ~1/3400th of a second and 1/17th of a second is the slowest. The ISO ranges from 50 to 650.
It's pretty crappy, I'd love to have manual ISO and shutter speed controls, it would make cell phone cameras much more interesting to use for sure.
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Let me just say one thing:
ITS A PHONE
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Kalavere said:
You're forgetting something, the 'lense' is most probably an f/2.8 prime, it's not going to have aperture blades so it can't possibly change f/stop.
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ok understand, i was thinking that is present an electronic shutter that is able to "simulate" the change of aperture..
so we must take this as fix aperture... and so it's not possible to have feature for manual speed control, you risk to get under or over exposure... maybe it could be sync with iso, but i don't think we get a good results...
There are no moving parts in the camera lens, so no zoom or aperture control. The aperture is fixed, so therefore the only control we have is shutter and ISO. Sadly this means the DoF is fixed for any given focal distance.
However, f/2.8 is not so bad as it sounds. The DoF is related to the aperture size and the focal length of the lens (hence the f/x in the aperture - f is the focal length!).
Because the lens on your phone is tiny and mounted very close to the camera sensor, the focal length of the lens is also very small, particularly when compared to an SLR camera where the lens is mounted some distance away from the sensor, so has a much larger focal length.
The result is, an aperture of f/2.8 on a phone camera will have similar DoF to a lens on your SLR at around f/8 to f/11 i.e. around the mid range. Also, because the lens if effectively a prime lens with fixed aperture, they can optimise the lens for those parameters, so you have less compromise than you would have on a typical zoom lens for your SLR.
One thing to always remember though, is that its a phone first and a camera second. You shouldn't expect SLR performance from a phone! There are other camera apps out there than can give you a bit more manual control than the standard app, but you'll never be able to control the aperture! With the standard camera, you can however adjust the brightness level by +/-3 EV in 1 EV steps - tap the settings icon, then the +/- icon, then you can set the exposure compensation level.
Fixed aperture. Can't change it. Very small focal length means wide DOF.
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ok understand, i was thinking that is present an electronic shutter that is able to "simulate" the change of aperture..
so we must take this as fix aperture... and so it's not possible to have feature for manual speed control, you risk to get under or over exposure... maybe it could be sync with iso, but i don't think we get a good results...
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It's not possible to simulate a change of aperture, you'd need blades to do it. It's just a feeble 3.43mm f/2.8 prime. You'd end up with a hulk of a phone if you tried to introduce aperture blades to the little CMOS. I don't even think it would be possible on such a small sensor.
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You're forgetting something, the 'lense' is most probably an f/2.8 prime, it's not going to have aperture blades so it can't possibly change f/stop.
The only thing we could change if there were manual settings are ISO and shutter speed.
After having a play for five minutes it looks to me like the Nexus has a prime aperture of f/2.8, a maximum shutter speed of ~1/3400th of a second and 1/17th of a second is the slowest. The ISO ranges from 50 to 650.
It's pretty crappy, I'd love to have manual ISO and shutter speed controls, it would make cell phone cameras much more interesting to use for sure.
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I agree. That would be great!!
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia XZ Premium come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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This phone is only good at well lighted condition but in low light it's horrendous even the video is very grainy. But i admire it with its capability in shooting moving objects no blur.
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Bar Beach; Newcastle, NSW Australia. The XZP takes a darned nice photo.
the frustrating thing is, the hardware is capable of so much more, its really just the post processing that lets it down, a finer degree of control would be more useful or even allow RAW so we can do the editing later.
low light shots are a different matter, that's probably an optical limitation more then anything else. a CMOS / CCD is only ever as good as the optics the light passes through.
I'm very disappointed with the low detail of the camera.
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the frustrating thing is, the hardware is capable of so much more, its really just the post processing that lets it down, a finer degree of control would be more useful or even allow RAW so we can do the editing later.
low light shots are a different matter, that's probably an optical limitation more then anything else. a CMOS / CCD is only ever as good as the optics the light passes through.
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I'm very disappointed with the low detail of the camera.
Unfortunately, I can not attach the link. I have few messages.
I think best camera ever.only missing front flash
I yesterday tested 4K video recording and its very very nice. Here is video direct from mobile its not edited on PC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkxrTBy7LNQ
Xzp have the best camera
Shot with the Sony xzp using auto mode and placing the phone on the table on a night out with friends . DXO MARK FAIL.
The new analyst dxomark david work for cupertino, is a apple fanboy and troll.
Dxomark was in this summer working in palo alto (,usa) cupertino base and designing new web, new protocols etc.
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Shot with the Sony xzp using auto mode and placing the phone on the table on a night out with friends . DXO MARK FAIL.
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that is really great I have the same phone
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Shot with the Sony xzp using auto mode and placing the phone on the table on a night out with friends . DXO MARK FAIL.
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Can u attach original pictures somewere else, those are resizes looks great but i do like the to see original ones.
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Here are some pictures taken by me!
ps. the first one had some camera filter on.. and the last one was a panorama
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Here are some pictures taken by me!
ps. the first one had some camera filter on.. and the last one was a panorama
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Oh wow the 3rd an 4th ones look great. I dont see how people can complain about the camera on any mobile device honestly. I came from an Xperia Z2 which had a phenomenal camera I was really impressed with it. The fact I could flash cyberian camera mod just made it even better. That gave me the ISO sensitivity equivalent to our XZP. The mod allowd for the Z3 to support 25600 ISO which I believe is higher than out XZP.
Just check out some of the photos I took on my Z2 here on my G+ page: https://plus.google.com/116272109758114321506
Completely satisfied with just that and I know the XZP will snap photos better. Lets just face it though, the XZP and ever other phone are just phones so youll never get anything like a DSLR but maybe something close. I think alot of people need to appreciate what phones are capeable of now. Especially those at dxomark. They also need to realise that they are just phones once only able to call.
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Here are some pictures taken by me!
ps. the first one had some camera filter on.. and the last one was a panorama
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Furthermore proof that dxomark was paid by Apple and Samsung, giving it an 83 and then you look at this? I would think that was taken on an expensive DSLR!
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Shot with the Sony xzp using auto mode and placing the phone on the table on a night out with friends . DXO MARK FAIL.
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Amazing mate, the colors the blur the contrast, thumbs up!
Oreo update helps immensely in low light, my xzp seems to be using 2000iso now instead of cranking it to 3200 or 6400. More grain but less smearing. Burst looks to do a good job as well, although you cant use it in low light for shutter speed reasons.
Pictures arent perfect or anywhere near note 8 level, but they are more than useable now in low light.
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Bar Beach; Newcastle, NSW Australia. The XZP takes a darned nice photo.
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Hey - I know that seagull! I say hello every morning as I run past there!
Hope you enjoyed our fine city!
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Shot with the Sony xzp using auto mode and placing the phone on the table on a night out with friends . DXO MARK FAIL.
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Simply superb
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As an ex owner of Nokia 1020 I am quite happy with the new SONY IMX400 sensor performance as I am with my older IMX300 sensor in Xperia Z5. The later still does superb pics in daytime with 23MP manual mode.