I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
I CANNOT CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD BUT DISCOVERED MY ROUTER WAS NOT BLOCKING URLS PROPERLY. WITH A NEW ROUTER THAT IS BLOCKING THE CURRENT URLS THE UNIT WILL NOT LOAD SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS INCORRECT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION THAT THIS POST MIGHT HAVE CAUSED!!
(Perhaps a mod can change the title of this thread to a question instead of a statement???)
This is not good news. Hopefully someone has an answer for you as I am curious as well. I still have a couple that I need to set-up and really don't want to lose root.
fxbill said:
I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
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Mine had something weird happen yesterday too. I was trying to backup my XBMC using adbFire and kept getting disconnected. So I'd connect again, get an error message, connect, then get disconnected. When it finally connected with a solid connection, I noticed that the Amazon Updates went from being turned OFF to ON. I unplugged everything and blocked all traffic through my modem before reconnecting. I've done a few reboots since then and everything is back to normal...on 51.1.1.0 with updates back off.
It felt like Amazon was trying to push an update to my unit, but I have no way to prove that. I'm very interested in seeing what is going on.
Well it is a possibility... Just glad I don't have to worry to much about it with CWM installed on all my FTV's...
Anyway... Guess @AFTVnews.com or some of those experiencing the problems can sniff if anything has changed using the WireShark prog. :cyclops:
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Well it is a possibility... Just glad I don't have to worry to much about it with CWM installed on all my FTV's...
Anyway... Guess @AFTVnews.com or some of those experiencing the problems can sniff if anything has changed using the WireShark prog. :cyclops:
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Just wish people weren't bricking their devices trying to load CWM...
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Just wish people weren't bricking their devices trying to load CWM...
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The problem I've seen are folks starting from the same info point (guide/order) while their AFTV's are in different device states. It's not hard to do at all once you know from where you are starting. That way you can map out the correct order of steps with the Apps... You do have to choose weather to do it manually thru ADB or with an APP... I trust the APP more then doing it manually... I have seen folks trying to do stuff from the guides like the renaming of FW or Recovery files while trying to use the APP which is not necessary(Not sure if the .zip is being renamed twice, manually & by the app). Also RBox mentioned he is working on trying to stop the possible bricking....
Start at the first post here to get an idea how easy it should be. But the steps order or numbers can change depending what FW you are starting at & if it's a new out of the box or if its one that needs to be FW downgraded or both Recovery & FW downgraded.
Read page 47 just to familiarize yourself with the process. Don't try it right now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2736774&page=47
If the problem is a new IP address that needs to be blocked. You need to wait for confirmation. If you can't wait then I would try to do the Stock Recovery Downgrade/ReRoot/Disable OTA Updates/FW Downgrade/CWM Installation, etc with only ADB allowed aka Offline. But not sure how some of the changes will require internet... Like to reconnect to your Amazon account. I would wait for confirmation of a new IP or other problem.. Probably offline...
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Just wish people weren't bricking their devices trying to load CWM...
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I don't know of anyone who bricked installing CWM.
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I don't know of anyone who bricked installing CWM.
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Completely Correct... Some folks have run into problems during the downgrading. But even for them the keyboard trick with patience should/have get them back on the road to CWM. Got confirmation on a few threads here of folks getting CWM installed after getting stuck with the white Amazon screen or black screen.
I just tested with a Fire TV running stock 51.1.3.0_user_513011820 and it tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 from the same domain and URL as it always had. I then factory reset it and it again tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 during the initial setup form the same domain: amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
So based on this test, I see no indication the update URL has changed. Of Course, it's possible Amazon is using a new URL for some Fire TVs while others are using the known URLs.
I'll continue checking periodically and report back if the URL changes for this particular FIre TV.
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I just tested with a Fire TV running stock 51.1.3.0_user_513011820 and it tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 from the same domain and URL as it always had. I then factory reset it and it again tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 during the initial setup form the same domain: amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
So based on this test, I see no indication the update URL has changed. Of Course, it's possible Amazon is using a new URL for some Fire TVs while others are using the known URLs.
I'll continue checking periodically and report back if the URL changes for this particular FIre TV.
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You didn't indicate whether it took the new firmware or not....did it upgrade to 51.1.4.0 or download the firmware?
I had a thought about this last night, but of course it's too late to try it on my units, but my router has 2 options....One is to block specific URLs which is what I did. The other is to only allow specific urls to be accessed. I'm wondering if you only allowed firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com to be accessed since you need that to register the unit and complete the setup if you could still get through the setup routine. It wouldn't allow any connection except to firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com. Don't have a unit to try it with, but it might just work and if not the worst that would happen is that you wouldn't get through the setup....no harm done.
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You didn't indicate whether it took the new firmware or not....did it upgrade to 51.1.4.0 or download the firmware?
I had a thought about this last night, but of course it's too late to try it on my units, but my router has 2 options....One is to block specific URLs which is what I did. The other is to only allow specific urls to be accessed. I'm wondering if you only allowed firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com to be accessed since you need that to register the unit and complete the setup if you could still get through the setup routine. It wouldn't allow any connection except to firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com. Don't have a unit to try it with, but it might just work and if not the worst that would happen is that you wouldn't get through the setup....no harm done.
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I had the download domain blocked so it couldn't download the update. As for your suggestion, I tried it with one of the earlier units that would not proceed past a failed update. I monitored every domain it tried to access and slowly fed it more access one domain at a time. The result was always the same: it gives various error messages because it can't reach certain domains. It never got past the update point in the initial setup.
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I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
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If you are blocking using a ASUS router that might be the problem. When I loaded the latest ASUS firmware on my RT-AC66U all my blocked URLs stopped being blocked. I had to step back to an old firmware to get the feature working again
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If you are blocking using a ASUS router that might be the problem. When I loaded the latest ASUS firmware on my RT-AC66U all my blocked URLs stopped being blocked. I had to step back to an old firmware to get the feature working again
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That's exactly what happened!!! I put facebook and ebay on the block list just to check and it wasn't blocking either of them! I'm off to get a new NetGear tomorrow. They have a "genie" program that is extremely easy to use for blocking sites or words (or update numbers) and it's only $39. I took one of the updated units back to Staples today and told them it had connectivity problems...( it really did....it connected with the darned upgrader!) and asked the girl in this tiny store if she would get one from the back that was way in the back and on the bottom of the pile if she could. She actually did for me! It's the lowest serial number I own now, but I'm not touching it until I get the new router and prove to myself that the sites are being blocked. I need the break and a little sleep anyway....too many hours at this for the last week.
By the way.... I do believe I have a way of downgrading the new firmware to any older firmware that was ever out. I'm going to have to sacrifice a unit to verify, but if they store the firmware on a TSOP I can do it. Clone time coming up!
I'm not a software guy, but am a hellofa hardware tech. Did it with satellite receivers for years..... ( Still love tubes more than any solid state stuff though!)
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That's exactly what happened!!! I put facebook and ebay on the block list just to check and it wasn't blocking either of them! I'm off to get a new NetGear tomorrow. They have a "genie" program that is extremely easy to use for blocking sites or words (or update numbers) and it's only $39. I took one of the updated units back to Staples today and told them it had connectivity problems...( it really did....it connected with the darned upgrader!) and asked the girl in this tiny store if she would get one from the back that was way in the back and on the bottom of the pile if she could. She actually did for me! It's the lowest serial number I own now, but I'm not touching it until I get the new router and prove to myself that the sites are being blocked. I need the break and a little sleep anyway....too many hours at this for the last week.
By the way.... I do believe I have a way of downgrading the new firmware to any older firmware that was ever out. I'm going to have to sacrifice a unit to verify, but if they store the firmware on a TSOP I can do it. Clone time coming up!
I'm not a software guy, but am a hellofa hardware tech. Did it with satellite receivers for years..... ( Still love tubes more than any solid state stuff though!)
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It just dawned on me....with all of the excellent coders here and knowing that with Backtrack you can spoof a url or an IP. Someone could discover where the units are updating from and where they connect to and spoof the information..( along with the older firmware) and never actually have to connect with Amazon. The unit would think that it is connecting and download whatever it was fed and finish the initial install in order to root it.....just a wild thought, but I think a good programer could come up with a way to do it.
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It just dawned on me....with all of the excellent coders here and knowing that with Backtrack you can spoof a url or an IP. Someone could discover where the units are updating from and where they connect to and spoof the information..( along with the older firmware) and never actually have to connect with Amazon. The unit would think that it is connecting and download whatever it was fed and finish the initial install in order to root it.....just a wild thought, but I think a good programer could come up with a way to do it.
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RBox & AFTVNews.com & others have already looked into this. Do a search for spoofing on the full thread & u'll probably find it.. Basically there are parts that are encrypted & we can't give the FTV the right answer to allow the older FW to be flashed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/help/trick-amazon-update-url-redirect-to-t2900031
Y314K said:
RBox & AFTVNews.com & others have already looked into this. Do a search for spoofing on the full thread & u'll probably find it.. Basically there are parts that are encrypted & we can't give the FTV the right answer to allow the older FW to be flashed.
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There are 2 things to spoof. One is the response from softwareupdates.amazon.com. Aside from the fact that if you spoof it the server has to be using a valid certificate (which you won't get), it's response is signed and encrypted. The second thing to spoof is the actual firmware download. That has to be signed or else it will reject it. It also has to match the version it's expecting to download. So you can't spoof the response that would make the fire tv download an old version, and you can't spoof the update itself because it won't match what it wants.
Furthmore... Backtrack has nothing to do with it. Backtrack is a huge piece of **** that doesn't do anything magical that any SANE Linux dist can't do. And what the... XDA censors? How lame is that...
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That's exactly what happened!!! I put facebook and ebay on the block list just to check and it wasn't blocking either of them! I'm off to get a new NetGear tomorrow. They have a "genie" program that is extremely easy to use for blocking sites or words (or update numbers) and it's only $39. I took one of the updated units back to Staples today and told them it had connectivity problems...( it really did....it connected with the darned upgrader!) and asked the girl in this tiny store if she would get one from the back that was way in the back and on the bottom of the pile if she could. She actually did for me! It's the lowest serial number I own now, but I'm not touching it until I get the new router and prove to myself that the sites are being blocked. I need the break and a little sleep anyway....too many hours at this for the last week.
By the way.... I do believe I have a way of downgrading the new firmware to any older firmware that was ever out. I'm going to have to sacrifice a unit to verify, but if they store the firmware on a TSOP I can do it. Clone time coming up!
I'm not a software guy, but am a hellofa hardware tech. Did it with satellite receivers for years..... ( Still love tubes more than any solid state stuff though!)
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fxbill said:
I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
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I would advice you add a note to the #1 post saying that it's been resolved & it was a Router Software problem (in bold). Maybe change the title of the thread too. Some folks might not read past the tittle or first posts & start to repeat that there is a new IP updating FTV's when that is not the case.
Tip: Tomato FW Routers block IP's like a BOSS!!!
Urls dont work
I have blocked the urls amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite softwareupdates.amazon.com through router before setting up my firetv and it had updated to the latest firmware uk version so just to let people know they do not work is amazon using new urls for updating
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I would advice you add a note to the #1 post saying that it's been resolved & it was a Router Software problem (in bold). Maybe change the title of the thread too. Some folks might not read past the tittle or first posts & start to repeat that there is a new IP updating FTV's when that is not the case.
Tip: Tomato FW Routers block IP's like a BOSS!!!
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I plan on doing that, but only after I pick up the new router today and verify. Thanks for the tip on the router!
( Just discovered that I can't edit the title of the thread.)
rbox said:
There are 2 things to spoof. One is the response from softwareupdates.amazon.com. Aside from the fact that if you spoof it the server has to be using a valid certificate (which you won't get), it's response is signed and encrypted. The second thing to spoof is the actual firmware download. That has to be signed or else it will reject it. It also has to match the version it's expecting to download. So you can't spoof the response that would make the fire tv download an old version, and you can't spoof the update itself because it won't match what it wants.
Furthmore... Backtrack has nothing to do with it. Backtrack is a huge piece of **** that doesn't do anything magical that any SANE Linux dist can't do. And what the... XDA censors? How lame is that...
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I only brought up Backtrack as an example. It's merely a collection of programs written by other coders. Say what you will about it. Makes no difference to me, but it has served me pretty well since I am not a coder and have little knowledge in writing my own codes. Kudos to you for being able to. As I stated, I'm a hardware person and a technician. I can design a board, but programming for me is an entirely different story. Years ago satellite TV receivers had a similar issue where a receiver would not accept a card that was not the correct card for the unit. It was called the ZKT...( zero knowledge test) The receiver had some information encoded in the prom... (supposedly some sort of question that it asked of the card). The card also had some info coded into it. Neither had any purpose by itself, but when a card was inserted into the unit the unit sent out the encoded "question". If the card responded with anything other than the correct information the unit would not function. A coder discovered a way to program eproms that did not have this ZKT information in it and after programming an eprom and replacing the prom in the unit with the newly coded eprom the unit would accept any card that was put into it.
I'm only stating this as an example. It might come down to cloning the eprom from one good unit to one that has the newer firmware on it, but I feel very confident that someone can and will do it at some point. I rarely ever say it can't be done....too many times have I been proven wrong by someone knowing much more than I do and no matter how good you might be at something someone a little or a lot better is going to come along and do what you couldn't.
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I hope I'm posting this in the right sub section. I purchased a FireTV last week at BB and rooted and blocked the updates via the guid on Aftvnews.
I grabbed another FTV today for a family member and I'm unable to get anywhere. After configuring network it goes on the the checking for updates but instead of just going past it (
amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
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) I get an "Unable to update your Amazon Fire TV. Try disconnecting the powercable for a few seconds and then plugging it back in.
Is this unit already updated and I'm not going to be able to root? Thanks in advance for the help!
Obviously unblock the update in your router and do the initial setup while making sure to follow the guide's prompts to disconnect your internet when updates might happen.
Leave your internet disconnected (router unplugged/ethernet unhooked) until the network settings are needed.
When you need to configure the Fire TV's internet,connect it until you are done configuring,and quickly disconnect it when the check for updates happens.
Edit:found it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/guide-how-to-setup-fire-tv-blocking-root-t2849790
Leave your internet disconnected through the entire welcome video as well.
I couldn't pass the update screen by blocking the two sites, I went back to the router and used BLOCK KEYWORDS instead of Block sites and entered this to the Blocked Keywords 51.1.2.0_user_512073320 ( I read this stops the update getting through router ) I then unblocked the other two web sites, every Fire TV have done since has updated to the Rootable version 511070220 don't know if its working for sure or just luck I keep getting the version 511070220
Thanks guys, I'll give those a try.
Go it going! I'm rooted. Thanks!
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Go it going! I'm rooted. Thanks!
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what procedure worked for you as it will help others?, did you get it working by blocking Keywords?, I have updated two more today and l am still getting the rootable version by blocking the update through keywords
Hi all, I have just received my fire tv toda from Amazon uk.
I plugged in and tried to have a look at the UI. Anyway it wanted to update straight away and started downloading. I stopped this and have turned it off.
I wanted to check the FW version but I can't get that far.
Di I have to root first as I only bought this unit to install xbmc
Please help.
Thanks
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Hi all, I have just received my fire tv toda from Amazon uk.
I plugged in and tried to have a look at the UI. Anyway it wanted to update straight away and started downloading. I stopped this and have turned it off.
I wanted to check the FW version but I can't get that far.
Di I have to root first as I only bought this unit to install xbmc
Please help.
Thanks
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If I'm not mistaken UK units are shipping with the latest firmware.
But you don't need root to install xbmc.
Cool. Thanks. I'll boot it up and get it on.
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Follow this guide: http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-setup-a-new-fire-tv-without-blocking-root/
Let us know what firmware it came with.
Also got the FTV (UK): 51.1.40_user_514005520
I am assuming this is un-rootable?
can't seem to get xbmc/spmc to work on the UK version
it gets to the first run stage and then goes back to the applications part of settings...
i'm not bothered about root, but without xbmc this device is pointless for me...!
XBMC Works but not many add ons
bigviv said:
can't seem to get xbmc/spmc to work on the UK version
it gets to the first run stage and then goes back to the applications part of settings...
i'm not bothered about root, but without xbmc this device is pointless for me...!
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I can install and do most things with XBMC, but Icefilms or 1Channel cannot get to the content.
icefilms should work right? im in UK and it loads up on windows without spoofing IP
glad i imported the US version
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Also got the FTV (UK): 51.1.40_user_514005520
I am assuming this is un-rootable?
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Are you positive that is your software version number? Others have reported getting 51.1.4.0_user_514006420, which is different from your version .
AFTVnews.com said:
Are you positive that is your software version number? Others have reported getting 51.1.4.0_user_514006420, which is different from your version .
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Yep, 100% positive. However, it was trying to update to the version you have mentioned - which I cancelled. Also, have problems with XBMC - which does not launch.
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Yep, 100% positive. However, it was trying to update to the version you have mentioned - which I cancelled. Also, have problems with XBMC - which does not launch.
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Did it update to 51.1.40_user_514005520 during the initial setup, or were you somehow able to get through setup without updating?
AFTVnews.com said:
Did it update to 51.1.40_user_514005520 during the initial setup, or were you somehow able to get through setup without updating?
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I managed to get past the intial setup by pulling the ethernet connection method. Then went through the non-skip intro video etc. Whilst I was checking on the System tab; noticed that it was downloading the update and had the version number quoted by you. I had the option to cancel the update, which I did - the progress bar was around the half way mark.
Would it be possible to set up a fake update server providing an old version during the initial setup?
Or is that useless with the units that are being shipped out now?
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I managed to get past the intial setup by pulling the ethernet connection method. Then went through the non-skip intro video etc. Whilst I was checking on the System tab; noticed that it was downloading the update and had the version number quoted by you. I had the option to cancel the update, which I did - the progress bar was around the half way mark.
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Wow. You're blowing my mind. Nobody has been able to get past the initial update with a Fire TV running 51.1.3.0 or newer. Either 51.1.40_user_514005520 is unlike all the other 51.1.3.0+ versions (meaning it does not refuse to proceed when it can't reach the update server), or you did something different that got you past the update.
Can you recall exactly what you did and when?
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Would it be possible to set up a fake update server providing an old version during the initial setup?
Or is that useless with the units that are being shipped out now?
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No. It's been discussed multiple times. The communications is both encrypted and signed.
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Wow. You're blowing my mind. Nobody has been able to get past the initial update with a Fire TV running 51.1.3.0 or newer. Either 51.1.40_user_514005520 is unlike all the other 51.1.3.0+ versions (meaning it does not refuse to proceed when it can't reach the update server), or you did something different that got you past the update.
Can you recall exactly what you did and when?
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It's possible the forced flag wasn't set. It seems to not be an across the board thing for different versions. Remember, the german units shipped with the first 51.1.3.0 version and forced the update to the 2nd while the US units that were updated to the first 51.1.3.0 didn't have a forced update to the newer one.
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It's possible the forced flag wasn't set. It seems to not be an across the board thing for different versions. Remember, the german units shipped with the first 51.1.3.0 version and forced the update to the 2nd while the US units that were updated to the first 51.1.3.0 didn't have a forced update to the newer one.
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I wasn't aware that someone with the first 51.1.3.0 in the US was able to get past an update during initial setup. Do you recall if it came with the first 51.1.3.0 brand new or if it was just factory reset with the first 51.1.3.0?
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I wasn't aware that someone with the first 51.1.3.0 in the US was able to get past an update during initial setup. Do you recall if it came with the first 51.1.3.0 brand new or if it was just factory reset with the first 51.1.3.0?
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Hrm, that's a good point. I don't know if it acts differently on a factory reset/fresh install vs just an update. I was talking about when we updated to the first 51.1.3.0 it seemed like all the german boxes were forcing to the second while we werent. But I don't think I ever tried a factory reset at that point.
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Hrm, that's a good point. I don't know if it acts differently on a factory reset/fresh install vs just an update. I was talking about when we updated to the first 51.1.3.0 it seemed like all the german boxes were forcing to the second while we werent. But I don't think I ever tried a factory reset at that point.
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I'm starting to get more and more convinced that there is a difference between a first time setup and a factory reset, as far as forced updates are concerned. Either that or the German versions of 51.1.3.0 are somehow different from the US versions.
I know for sure that factory reseting a Fire TV running the first 51.1.3.0 will get past the blocked update to the second 51.1.3.0. I did this myself just the other day. Of course, that Fire TV did not come with 51.1.3.0.
Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard of anyone in the US getting anything above 51.1.1.0 on a new Fire TV.
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Wow. You're blowing my mind. Nobody has been able to get past the initial update with a Fire TV running 51.1.3.0 or newer. Either 51.1.40_user_514005520 is unlike all the other 51.1.3.0+ versions (meaning it does not refuse to proceed when it can't reach the update server), or you did something different that got you past the update.
Can you recall exactly what you did and when?
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Surprisingly, I did what was suggested on your site (I assume it is yours?). Anyways, I will try to remember the exact steps:
Powered the box without a network connection.
Paired remote and chose the language
IIRC, then there was the option to choose the network via Wi-fi
Plugged in the Ethernet connection
The box almost immediately picked up my registration details or pre-registered details?
Instantly pulled the Ethernet connection
I had a quick look around the menu system to familiarise myself
I went to System to check the version; it was and still is as I stated
Plugged the Ethernet back in
Noticed it was trying to update, whilst I was playing around trying to disable the dcp update via PC
Cancelled the update
The box has been sitting idle for a good few hours and not trying to update itself. I don't know the implications of this; my sole reason was to stop any further updates in case of a solution in the near future.
I'm annoyed with it. Can't even use NBC Sports Live App.... I can't press the play button with the remote, yet it's an app on the amazon store... So it's an app, I can't do anything with.
Tried an android controller, doesn't work - need root for that.
TBH, I thinking of sending it back and just doing what I done before. Downloading everything and sticking it on USB straight into the tele.
I got three firetv's from staples local store as I needed for my family. I have done this with other firetv's in the past but already spoilt two by getting them updated to the latest firmware.
1. I had checked the serial numbers before buying and they were original rootable versions.
2. I couldn't get past the forced update and the blocked sites on the router would not let me proceed.
3. I did the timing thing but that too didn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDiViqXdSg. So I let it update hoping it would do the update inclemently but it didn't. It updated to latest.
How are folks doing it now. Are the guides still valid. I have the last one still packed. I feel so bad.
---- My findings from a later post:
In my quest for today, here is what I have found. Note: I've done about 15 or so rooted firetv's but at the moment things aren't the same as it used to be.
1. If you get an old stock for example serial series of 2. They will have a very old firmware which USED to increment but they don't now. They go directly to the latest firmware thus loosing root. I went through 4 of these series today and none of them could be bypassed with the Ethernet trick. (709002XX)
2. Series 3 (70900305/303) is bypassable with the Ethernet trick to boot up. I've seen two versions of series 3. One which requires a downgrade and the other that doesn't before going up. IMO downgrade is a much easier task vs rooting.
Bestbuys have lots of series 3. So if anyone needs a version that should be rooted, head to bestbuy 91303. I'm sure other area's too have the series 3. Staples has a mix of mostly Series 2 and a few Series 3.
Hope this helps.
At this point now you wont ever root this fire tv.
I had same problem on one of the fire tvs i had to block amazon updates in my router to get passed the check for updates screen.
No root for you now.
On your another fire tv make sure to be patient and research first.. Do not at any point update if you have rootable version.
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patt2k said:
At this point now you wont ever root this fire tv.
I had same problem on one of the fire tvs i had to block amazon updates in my router to get passed the check for updates screen.
No root for you now.
On your another fire tv make sure to be patient and research first.. Do not at any point update if you have rootable version.
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I got to the old firmware on the third one. The other two that updated I returned it. I now have another one with rootable and I'm trying to not let it update. but the removal of the Ethernet cord trick is not working. I've blocked the three sites on my router as well. What to do. I don't want to mess up this one. I don't get the message checking for updates, it straight starts to download it, I didn't let it download. I removed the Ethernet. and rebooted but the same process starts again.
In the instructions it says it may do an incremental update but I don't want to take the risk again, the last time it wasn't incremental. It updated to the latest. I've done so many but this seems harder every day.
I can't get past this screen
Your Amazon Fire TV requires an update.
Please do not disconnect from the network or unplug the power cable while we download the update.
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I can't get past this screen
Your Amazon Fire TV requires an update.
Please do not disconnect from the network or unplug the power cable while we download the update.
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Block amazon updates in your router.
Like I mentioned I had exact same issues I thought I couldn't root this AFTV.
Here is what I did:
I blocked amazon updates in my fios router,connected AFTV to fios router ( I use 2 routers)
when I plugged in back AFTV it tried to update.. it failed after sometime : Make sure it does not if you did it wrong.
I then rebooted AFTV and I got past the update screen.
Try that!
That's unusual. Just 2 weeks ago pulling the Ethernet cord got me to registration page in one shot. I don't get why it's not working? Even if updates weren't blocked via the router, I thought that initial trick of unplugging made aftv think there was no update or it already had been updated.
KLit75 said:
That's unusual. Just 2 weeks ago pulling the Ethernet cord got me to registration page in one shot. I don't get why it's not working? Even if updates weren't blocked via the router, I thought that initial trick of unplugging made aftv think there was no update or it already had been updated.
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I totally understand. I've done loads of firetv's and the new ones even with the old firmwares are getting hard. I just made one today. I need to make 2 more. I messed up 2 so returned them and now on the new one, I've blocked the update and can't get past the Ethernet trick.
Does anyone know how to read wireshark which file is it downloading ? that would be helpful.
navigates said:
I got three firetv's from staples local store as I needed for my family. I have done this with other firetv's in the past but already spoilt two by getting them updated to the latest firmware.
1. I had checked the serial numbers before buying and they were original rootable versions.
2. I couldn't get past the forced update and the blocked sites on the router would not let me proceed.
3. I did the timing thing but that too didn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDiViqXdSg. So I let it update hoping it would do the update inclemently but it didn't. It updated to latest.
How are folks doing it now. Are the guides still valid. I have the last one still packed. I feel so bad.
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Just followed the guides all of them still work.
I've never needed to but can't you enable logging on your router? I'd think that would be simpler than wireless shark, which I thought was more for larger business networks.
Agreed the guides still work but it's differnt now. I had total of 4 today and two went to the latest version hoping it would increment update.
This new one is stuck wanting to update and I cannot play the Ethernet trick.
Never faced this much of difficulty. I also tried recovery android and cleared and factory reset but still no luck
Any suggestions I can try.? I don't want to risk the update as I feel it will update to the latest. I cannot figure wire shark. I've tried seeing the traffic on the firetv ip but can't figure out Which file it is pulling down . I'm so tired of family asking for the firetv and I feel if making one then might as well get the rooted ones for google play etc.
One observation here is if you let the software begin to download and then remove the Ethernet, the next time it tries to resume and not restart unless you do the recovery and clean factory.
I removed amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net from the blocked sites to let it start the rom download to see which one it is downloading but still couldn't figure it out form the router logs here. can someone help please. I'm so lost here.
[Site allowed: 74.125.224.78] from source 192.168.1.12, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:09:21
[Site allowed: amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net] from source 192.168.1.12, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:09:17
[DHCP IP: (192.168.1.12)] to MAC address 00:BB:3A:7C:FE:7F, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:09:06
[Site allowed: spectrum.s3.amazonaws.com] from source 192.168.1.12, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:08:16
[DHCP IP: (192.168.1.12)] to MAC address 00:BB:3A:7C:FE:7F, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:08:13
[Site allowed: ocsp.digicert.com] from source 192.168.1.5, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:07:42
[Site allowed: ocsp.verisign.com] from source 192.168.1.5, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:07:36
[Site allowed: 74.125.224.130] from source 192.168.1.12, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:06:36
[Site allowed: spectrum.s3.amazonaws.com] from source 192.168.1.12, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:06:23
[DHCP IP: (192.168.1.12)] to MAC address 00:BB:3A:7C:FE:7F, Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:06:23
[Log Cleared] Saturday, Jan 24,2015 16:05:44
I believe it's the timing of when you unplug the ethernet cable. Because it happen to me with my first firetv. I couldn't get to bypass the update. So I let it update and hope it does the increment updated. But that didnt work. After going through thru a few more firetv. I notice that firetv that has older firmware. Is easier to bypass versus those later one that you have to downgrade. What I did was once the light turn white and the update screen pop up. Then I unplug. Before I just unplug very fast once the light turn white without seeing the update screen.
Oh yeah another thing. when u do manage to bypass it and get to the whole intro video. Remember to keep that thing unplug or disconnect from the internet. I had one firetv updated on me after the video was done playing and I had all 3 url block on my router.
phibo said:
I believe it's the timing of when you unplug the ethernet cable. Because it happen to me with my first firetv. I couldn't get to bypass the update. So I let it update and hope it does the increment updated. But that didnt work. After going through thru a few more firetv. I notice that firetv that has older firmware. Is easier to bypass versus those later one that you have to downgrade. What I did was once the light turn white and the update screen pop up. Then I unplug. Before I just unplug very fast once the light turn white without seeing the update screen .
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In my quest for today, here is what I have found. Note: I've done about 15 or so rooted firetv's but at the moment things aren't the same as it used to be.
1. If you get an old stock for example serial series of 2. They will have a very old firmware which USED to increment but they don't now. They go directly to the latest firmware thus loosing root. I went through 4 of these series today and none of them could be bypassed with the Ethernet trick. (709002XX)
2. Series 3 (70900305/303) is bypassable with the Ethernet trick to boot up. I've seen two versions of series 3. One which requires a downgrade and the other that doesn't before going up. IMO downgrade is a much easier task vs rooting.
Bestbuys have lots of series 3. So if anyone needs a version that should be rooted, head to bestbuy 91303. I'm sure other area's too have the series 3. Staples has a mix of mostly Series 2 and Series 3.
Hope this helps.
phibo said:
I believe it's the timing of when you unplug the ethernet cable. Because it happen to me with my first firetv. I couldn't get to bypass the update. So I let it update and hope it does the increment updated. But that didnt work. After going through thru a few more firetv. I notice that firetv that has older firmware. Is easier to bypass versus those later one that you have to downgrade. What I did was once the light turn white and the update screen pop up. Then I unplug. Before I just unplug very fast once the light turn white without seeing the update screen.
Oh yeah another thing. when u do manage to bypass it and get to the whole intro video. Remember to keep that thing unplug or disconnect from the internet. I had one firetv updated on me after the video was done playing and I had all 3 url block on my router.
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Yeah I understand, until I disable the amazon updates, I constantly remove the Ethernet just to be safe. As per today's experience, the old series 2x which has the initial firmware cannot be bypassed. I tried for hours but couldn't get it to bypass. I even tried recovery by clearing the cache etc, stopped half way through the download. none worked. I even updated two of them hoping for the incremental update but that failed too and reached the latest.
Thanks for helping out, but in my opinion, the safest rooting is series 3 with unplugging the Ethernet. The Downgrade process is straight forward if you have all the files in place.
Hey all, trying to root a fire TV for a friend. I've already done quite a few units so it isn't my first time around the block.
However it's been probably 6months since I've done the last one and now when I power up this brand new unit (which has a low serial number so it should be rootable) I get prompted to start downloading an update right away.
No way to bypass this for now as I know before I was able to get into the home screen before it starts doing any sort of updating..
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Hey all, trying to root a fire TV for a friend. I've already done quite a few units so it isn't my first time around the block.
However it's been probably 6months since I've done the last one and now when I power up this brand new unit (which has a low serial number so it should be rootable) I get prompted to start downloading an update right away.
No way to bypass this for now as I know before I was able to get into the home screen before it starts doing any sort of updating..
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Pull the ethernet out as soon as you see checking for updates. If it fails reboot and try again. DO NOT UPDATE!!. You will loose all chances of root.
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Pull the ethernet out as soon as you see checking for updates. If it fails reboot and try again. DO NOT UPDATE!!. You will loose all chances of root.
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Yah already got it going, applying my Kodi backup on this new Box.
Basically I just went and edited my hosts file on the macbook to block the 3 update domains for the fireTV which in turn just seemed to allowed me to finally bypass it on to sign in using my amazon account.
DHeffernan said:
Yah already got it going, applying my Kodi backup on this new Box.
Basically I just went and edited my hosts file on the macbook to block the 3 update domains for the fireTV which in turn just seemed to allowed me to finally bypass it on to sign in using my amazon account.
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Interesting. I'll try that next. Great it worked out.
Seriously, use OpenDNS to block those URLs. It's easier to do since all you need to do is update the DNS settings at your router plus OpenDNS filters out spam websites, too.
http://aftvnews.com/ has complete guides for this.
this might be what you need:
http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-complete-the-fire-tv-initial-setup-without-updating/
After a recent update that almost bricked my 2nd gen box i was able to factory reset and go back to normal. Before my box had an issue i had some smart dns addresses set up on a wired connection. i am able to set these up on wireless after the factory reset but when doing on wired the changes aren't registering. Also i have noticed that there isn't the option to press the menu button to forget the wired network and start again from scratch (and presumably be able to set up the DNS addresses within the setup). My 3rd gen box gives the option of using the menu button to forget the network.
Hope someone can help me solve this annoying issue!
Just noticed your post.
I posted this today https://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/help/fire-tv-gen-1-change-settings-ethernet-t3847115
So pretty much the same issue on a gen 1 unit.
So you even found after a factory reset, you couldn't make changes to the settings?
Have Amazon screwed up the software?
No idea where you could report it....
Same issue here, fire tv 2nd gen...
chrisp429 said:
Same issue here, fire tv 2nd gen...
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Did you try a factory reset?
I am reluctant to do this as it means blowing away quite a lot of setup and the earlier poster suggested that a reset did not fix the issue anyway.
Interested to know if you did a reset?
EDIT: By the way - try and put a post on this forum: https://www.amazonforum.com/forums/devices/fire-tv
I cant quite work out if it is a forum that is used for official problems - but at least its amazon. Might be good to get a few more complaints on there.
robjg63 said:
Did you try a factory reset?
I am reluctant to do this as it means blowing away quite a lot of setup and the earlier poster suggested that a reset did not fix the issue anyway.
Interested to know if you did a reset?
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I did it twice so far, but without any result
Moreover I am in a strange situation:
I bought the AFTV when I was living in germany, at the time the service was not present i my country (Italy)
later Prime video service was started and I was able to cast videos from Fire to FTV
later AFTV stick entered my counrty, but not AFTV
So in this moment I am a Prime Video subscriber, with a AFTV device with an Italian fiormware (probably developed for the stick), but I can only see videos on my smartphone or tablet. The cast begins but immediately ends.
This situation in addition to net settings is very recent.
I don't know that they have anything specific in the software (OS) that varies depending on the country.
It might be worth having a look at your settings on the Fire TV stick and then review your amazon account settings.
You may have a mismatch somewhere.
This page might have some info https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201624360
robjg63 said:
Did you try a factory reset?
I am reluctant to do this as it means blowing away quite a lot of setup and the earlier poster suggested that a reset did not fix the issue anyway.
Interested to know if you did a reset?
EDIT: By the way - try and put a post on this forum: https://www.amazonforum.com/forums/devices/fire-tv
I cant quite work out if it is a forum that is used for official problems - but at least its amazon. Might be good to get a few more complaints on there.
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i did a factory reset...no change. I have also posted on Amazonforum.com but no responses after a lot of reads.
afcchris said:
After a recent update that almost bricked my 2nd gen box i was able to factory reset and go back to normal.
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Hi there, how did you get your box back to normal?
My box wont boot and I assume the update is to blame for this. I get stuck on a "Amazon Recovery <3e>" screen. Similar in your case?
Thank you for your reply!
saepe85 said:
Hi there, how did you get your box back to normal?
My box wont boot and I assume the update is to blame for this. I get stuck on a "Amazon Recovery <3e>" screen. Similar in your case?
Thank you for your reply!
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the factory reset put the box back to normal. `My issue now is about putting in smart dns settings which arent being saved
I also have this problem with a Fire TV 1 and 2. I can add a wireless connection manually and for this connection I can use a static IP-address and DNS-server. But no luck with wired network on both devices. Fun Fact: My Fire TV 1 already has a static connection, but I can't update the IP-address. Both devices have software version 5.2.6.6.
I already had contact with the Amazon support repeatedly, but they basically told me to go **** myself, especially after I told them I wanted to add my own DNS-Server. They think I want to use other countries' Prime Video.
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My issue now is about putting in smart dns settings which arent being saved
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I sent Amazon Support the link to this thread. At least now they did reply to me, saying that they will look into the problem. Maybe one of the next updates will already solve this bug.
It does not really matter what the DNS settings are for - It is just a fact that sometimes they will need to be altered and now cannot be.
The wifi connections can be changed but the wired network is effectively frozen.
I am sure its just a small glitch in the code - Really hope it can be fixed.
Generally the Fire TV has been an excellent product for me.
Same problem here. Can't change or forget a wired connection. Im on Fire OS 5.2.6.7
Same for me as well on the FireTV 1, have finally updated to the latest rooted OS version and now cannot change the DNS settings on the wired connection!
Have had to revert to the WiFi connection instead for now so hopefully this gets fixed in the next release...
Just received Version 5.2.6.8 (Build 630508320) yesterday.
After installing I tried to "forget" the Ethernet connection.
It looked like it had worked - there was no connection showing - which I think is different to before - I seem to recall when you 'forgot' it would just re-appear.
I added a new ethernet connection and entered all the details I wanted - Fixed IP address and DNS servers - clicked save and it all looked ok.
Went into the About device bit which lets you check the network details etc.
IP address and DNS server details were the old details that I had 'Forgotten' - So sad to say its still knackered.
Good job Amazon!
robjg63 said:
Just received Version 5.2.6.8 (Build 630508320) yesterday.
I added a new ethernet connection and entered all the details I wanted - Fixed IP address and DNS servers - clicked save and it all looked ok.
Went into the About device bit which lets you check the network details etc.
IP address and DNS server details were the old details that I had 'Forgotten' - So sad to say its still knackered.
Good job Amazon!
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I've just installed Version 5.2.6.8 (Build 630508620) on my Fire TV 2 and editing the network settings works now.
If you select "Update Networkconfiguration", on the right side of the screen it shows your configuration from before the update. But if you edit your network again, you will see, that the Fire TV remembered your settings.
To see your new configuration on the About-Page you have to reboot your Fire TV.
Thanks Ph4te89 - You are right!
Maybe a bit of sloppy code somewhere in there - but it does eventually decide to show the settings I saved and is presumably using them again.
Great stuff - Really like my Fire TV (especially when its working properly).