Bypass(Reset) Lock screen Pattern/Password/PIN/Fingerprint scanning without wipe - Galaxy Note 4 Original Android Development

Bypass(Reset) Lock screen Pattern/Password/PIN/Fingerprint scanning without wipe
We know it's a big pain when you forget PIN/Passowrd/Pattern and you simply can't afford to wipe device as you don't have backup.
Then What?
You were all the night busy with your new beast and when you wake up in morning and notice that your GF/BF took revenge by registering and locking device by his/her fingerprint
Then what?
Very simple. Flash attached file from recovery.

dr.ketan said:
Bypass(Reset) Lock screen Pattern/Password/PIN/Fingerprint scanning without wipe
We know it's a big pain when you forget PIN/Passowrd/Pattern and you simply can't afford to wipe device as you don't have backup.
Then What?
You were all the night busy with your new beast and when you wake up in morning and notice that your GF/BF took revenge by registering and locking device by his/her fingerprint
Then what?
Very simple. Flash attached file from recovery.
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Thx. But this not work for me ....
I lost my saved finger scanner sample after a nandroid restor.... and after i flash this zip i always got a google keep fc

I have tested and it reset unlock options to swipe. Still finger print registration remain there. But device will be unlocked
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Great Stuff...Hats off Dr. Ketan

Need to figure out bypassing roam restrictions in download booster

My company policy makes me enter a 6 digit password. It's just a pain. Can I bypass this restriction? They have made their app as device admin.

does this work on more devices like galaxy s5?

Wait, does this mean that the passkey and fingerprints are not secure since everyone can use this to reset/bypass the lock without wipe?

Obviously. Once your device is rooted / CWM installed, there is always chance to modify your system.

elroy944 said:
does this work on more devices like galaxy s5?
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Usually samsung device have common storing location for PW PIN etc. SO I believe it should work on S5 too. You can try it, I don't believe it will affect anything else even it fail to reset.

Just like that...?
I take it this needs a custom recovery?
So... all a thief has to do is flash a custom recovery from download mode and then flash this file to get past fingerprint scanner and even a strong alphanumeric password?
DONT KNOW WHETHER TO LAUGH OR CRY!!

ceo.mtcl said:
My company policy makes me enter a 6 digit password. It's just a pain. Can I bypass this restriction? They have made their app as device admin.
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try the app Nine, its an exchange email app which lets you set the 6 digit on the app as opposed to the phone, so you can unlock the phone as per normal with swipe but when you want to open the email app (Nine) then only do you put your 6 digit code, works like a charm, just an idea cos as far as I know there is no exchange security bypass as yet.

Jostian said:
try the app Nine, its an exchange email app which lets you set the 6 digit on the app as opposed to the phone, so you can unlock the phone as per normal with swipe but when you want to open the email app (Nine) then only do you put your 6 digit code, works like a charm, just an idea cos as far as I know there is no exchange security bypass as yet.
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I logged in only to thank you on this suggestion. This is one awesome app and my device is finally mine again
I set up pin code on the app + full encryption of the data, so it's very safe, all the draconian admin policies from my organizations admins are now gone, plus my device is now intelligently set to have automatically enable pin when I'm not at home.
If anything I have now double security because when I'm not at home, the device requires PIN and the corporate mail does too + it's all encrypted. Well worth the money.

What about for reactivation lock. Is it secure?And can i flash that zip file with stock recovery. My phone is not rooted.

This does not work on Galaxy S5

Did you use Odin to flash this file? Is so can I get some feedback on how because odin doesnt take .zip files. Since I do not have access to the file system, I can't move the files on to phone. Is there another way to flash this files to the galaxy 4 note. I am from the world of iPhone Jailbreaking and helping out a friend.

stat1124 said:
Did you use Odin to flash this file? Is so can I get some feedback on how because odin doesnt take .zip files. Since I do not have access to the file system, I can't move the files on to phone. Is there another way to flash this files to the galaxy 4 note. I am from the world of iPhone Jailbreaking and helping out a friend.
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With Odin you flash your custom recovery. Flash attached file from recovery, it's said in OP.
Have fun

I took a nandroid backup with fingerprints registered, when ever i restore, it does not recognise my finger prints and even the backup password says incorrect. I tried flashing the utility but no luck. Any work around for the solution as i had to factory reset from recovery to clear the data

It's known issue. Before making nandroid remove registered finger prints.
Sent from my SM-N910G using xda premium

Can this be used to erase the stored fingerprints and reset them?
i used a nandroid backup and while i'm not locked out of the phone, i am locked out of changing fingerpring settings - and the backup password is corrupt as well.

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Advanced phone protections - Questions about securing your data...

With all the talk of police being able to access your phone, I looked in to the options.
I found I could use the following options....
1) unlock password.
bypassed by: if the police dont have your PIN or unlock pattern, Google can be required to provide your email ID/PW to enable unlock
2) encrypted phone
bypassed by: I am unsure how this can be bypassed. If encryption is turned on, I know it breaks CWM, but is there any way to get by it w/o knowing the PIN? Is there any reset besides a wipe of the phone, which would clear any P.I.I. on the phone, wouldn't it?
3) recovery
bypassed by: if you cant get in to the phone, and choose instead to boot into recovery, you can get access to the phones data, but how much access? If you encrypted your data, will this bypass anything? Will the data still be encrypted.
What I would love to see possible, is a PIN for recovery that is a stand alone item with no way to reset it. I know this mean you would have to ODIN if you every forgot it, but if you are more concerned about protecting your data, than data loss, this would be a non-issue, as long as your data is protected
So, is the recovery lock even needed? does encrypting your data and your SD card get the protection needed to prevent access to your phone by authorities, even with Google's help?
I would love to see some security and developers views on this, and on how "safe" you can make your phone if you go all out.
No ideas anyone?
If not.. any ideas where I can go look for answers?
DCRocks said:
No ideas anyone?
If not.. any ideas where I can go look for answers?
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what would kind of be an example of what your trying to hide from the cops? there is an app or a couple apps that can literally hide your data, and unless they knew the back door functionality of the apps, they would be able to access much data. i use a couple of them.
DCRocks said:
No ideas anyone?
If not.. any ideas where I can go look for answers?
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k0nane?
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LORDFIRE00 said:
what would kind of be an example of what your trying to hide from the cops?
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It was less about hiding specific data, and more about locking down your phone in general, as in what was possible.
I was interested in how well it could be done, what would need to be put in place, and how secure it really was.

locked out

Hello everyone.
Somehow I managed to lock myself out of my own phone using the pincode screen lock. I've tried a few trouble shooting solutions which I found online, including downloading something from my computers google play store. Nothing seems to be working and I was wondering if anyone here knew how to help me out?
I've using a sprint galaxy s3 with cm-10.2.0-RC1 mod and I can still access TWRP.
Thanks for any help you can offer!
unfortunately your only option is probably a factory reset, cache and dalvik wipe.
you can do a backup first, reset and probably then restore data for your apps and their data, that probably doesn't include the pin settings which would be saved in the system settings (I would think)
Have you tried using your Google account to recover your lock code?
jdelano said:
unfortunately your only option is probably a factory reset, cache and dalvik wipe.
you can do a backup first, reset and probably then restore data for your apps and their data, that probably doesn't include the pin settings which would be saved in the system settings (I would think)
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tried this today, apparently the pin is saved to the data. that was the only part of the backup I couldn't restore.
FallenZen said:
Have you tried using your Google account to recover your lock code?
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I was unaware I could do this, do you have any more information on how to do this?
fmjswitch said:
tried this today, apparently the pin is saved to the data. that was the only part of the backup I couldn't restore.
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You might try using an app like MyBackupPro and do a selective backup of apps and their data and not use the recovery restore.
Only thing I could find on pin and google account was for wallet and voice, admittedly I didn't spend more than a few minutes googling it. Figured I'd take a look as well, for ya.
Good luck
EDIT: there is an app for that https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.thomascannon.screenlockbypass.pro&hl=en
fmjswitch said:
I was unaware I could do this, do you have any more information on how to do this?
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According to Google, if you enter a bad pattern 5 times you should see an option for "forgot pattern," which you can use to log into your Google account and bypass the lockscreen.
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3388218?hl=en
FallenZen said:
According to Google, if you enter a bad pattern 5 times you should see an option for "forgot pattern," which you can use to log into your Google account and bypass the lockscreen.
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3388218?hl=en
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that's what I thought too, but I'm thinking cyanogenmod disables this feature. Its told me on numerous occasions "you got the password wrong 15 times, please wait 30 seconds then try again"
fmjswitch said:
that's what I thought too, but I'm thinking cyanogenmod disables this feature. Its told me on numerous occasions "you got the password wrong 15 times, please wait 30 seconds then try again"
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Hm. No idea there, but if that's the case then perhaps it's possible that there is a way to flash a patch to restore that functionality.
fmjswitch said:
Hello everyone.
Somehow I managed to lock myself out of my own phone using the pincode screen lock. I've tried a few trouble shooting solutions which I found online, including downloading something from my computers google play store. Nothing seems to be working and I was wondering if anyone here knew how to help me out?
I've using a sprint galaxy s3 with cm-10.2.0-RC1 mod and I can still access TWRP.
Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Flash this in recovery. Phone will be unlocked on boot. This is safe to use on ANY phone where u cannot pass the screen lock. Made by me so please don't do nothing unethical with it
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s...AHNL0lqeon1ovtebgbepd0GtgrhhYP_YH_2Ih-lrGGufw
billard412 said:
Flash this in recovery. Phone will be unlocked on boot. This is safe to use on ANY phone where u cannot pass the screen lock. Made by me so please don't do nothing unethical with it
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s...AHNL0lqeon1ovtebgbepd0GtgrhhYP_YH_2Ih-lrGGufw
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worked like a charm. you sir, are amazing. thank you!
Thanks for the bypass alternative, Billard.
As an epilogue to this thread, I'd like to share a discovery. It turns out that there IS an option for "forgot password," but if you use a PIN instead of a Pattern with a PIN backup then you'll never know. It's squarely centered at the bottom of the screen if you get your pattern wrong too many times and don't decide to use your backup PIN.
Basically, some (I'm going to guess) intern had this bright idea for increasing security... And so what we've wound up with are two neighboring options on the scale of security levels: the PIN option with zero official redundancies, or the Pattern+PIN option with its TWO redundancies. Why the pattern gets more outs than the Mets on any given day, while the PIN is as rigid and unforgiving as a Catholic school matron, I can't begin to fathom. Go figure, huh?
Maybe somebody who's a lot smarter than I am can figure out how to copy that function and incorporate it into the rest of the lock options for future ROMs.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it,
-Zen

[HELP] Fingerprint Scanner and Backup Password no longer recognized.

It seems that about 15 minutes ago my Fingerprint (and my fiance) are no longer recognized. It also would not take my backup password. The only way I could get into my phone was through the Android Device Manager and reset my password.
After resetting my password with ADM, I went to go change my fingerprint in my phone (because obviously it doesn't like the one stored in there now) and it asks me for my password (since my fingerprint no longer works) and this keeps saying it is incorrect.
I don't know what to do now other than factory reset my phone.
Does anyone have any other suggestions?
You're correct. Factory reset; unless...
I thought my original fingerprints were better recognized after flashing another ROM; broke the sensor and default fingerprint password. Not accustomed to internal memory, I wiped everything but external sdcard and tried to restore the nandroid; embarrassing to say, the nandroid was gone.
You might try restoring a nandroid. Don't know if that works but I'd like to know. I had to factory reset. Per Samsung, nothing to do but that. May be locked away in Knox for theft protection.
samep said:
You're correct. Factory reset; unless...
I thought my original fingerprints were better recognized after flashing another ROM; broke the sensor and default fingerprint password. Not accustomed to internal memory, I wiped everything but external sdcard and tried to restore the nandroid; embarrassing to say, the nandroid was gone.
You might try restoring a nandroid. Don't know if that works but I'd like to know. I had to factory reset. Per Samsung, nothing to do but that. May be locked away in Knox for theft protection.
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Thing is, I haven't even rooted my note 4 yet! I am waiting for a method that wont trip knox.
I don't understand why this could have happened on stock - Makes me worried I got a defective device.
That's a mystery to me. There is also a change fingerprint password in that setup screen. If it rejects that too, factory reset is the only option I know of.
May need to exchange the phone. Keep that in mind if you're inside of 14 days of purchase agreement.
samep said:
That's a mystery to me. There is also a change fingerprint password in that setup screen. If it rejects that too, factory reset is the only option I know of.
May need to exchange the phone. Keep that in mind if you're inside of 14 days of purchase agreement.
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Yeah that doesn't work either.
I hope I can still exchange my device - It's been almost a month I bought this phone 10/17/2014 - Will they let me exchange the device?
Still under warranty. It's just they may make you wait on the replacement. Depends on where you got it.
best route is to get a replacement, seems the device is corrupted somehow
eNkrypt said:
It seems that about 15 minutes ago my Fingerprint (and my fiance) are no longer recognized. It also would not take my backup password. The only way I could get into my phone was through the Android Device Manager and reset my password.
After resetting my password with ADM, I went to go change my fingerprint in my phone (because obviously it doesn't like the one stored in there now) and it asks me for my password (since my fingerprint no longer works) and this keeps saying it is incorrect.
I don't know what to do now other than factory reset my phone.
Does anyone have any other suggestions?
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I had the same problem on a fully stock phone, only way to fix is to factory reset the phone.
DEE754 said:
I had the same problem on a fully stock phone, only way to fix is to factory reset the phone.
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That's some bull crap! They should fix this, it's not fair I have to loose all my texts and stuff.. Only for this to probably happen again in another few weeks.
Has this problem occured for you again?
eNkrypt said:
That's some bull crap! They should fix this, it's not fair I have to loose all my texts and stuff.. Only for this to probably happen again in another few weeks.
Has this problem occured for you again?
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No, its been about a week since it happen. You can setup up a Samsung account on the phone to backup your texts, phone call logs and bookmarks. Then sync back to your phone after reset.
eNkrypt said:
That's some bull crap! They should fix this, it's not fair I have to loose all my texts and stuff.. Only for this to probably happen again in another few weeks.
Has this problem occured for you again?
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try odin flashing the firmware, others that were rooted, it fixed the issue, I know ur not rooted, worth a shot...
mine got messed up after rooting, I could not get it to work, even after flashing the firmware, but others have had success... try it, wont hurt any and won't delete ur data.
Yep happened to me as well.
Interesting thing is the password works on the lock screen but not in the settings menu.
Odd.
I had this same problem. The only way I was able to get the finger print scanner working again was by doing a factory reset. I then restored all of my apps and settings with Titanium Backup. All is good now. It sucks setting everything back up, but factory reset works.
Hello everybody,
I have xposed framework installed on my rooted Note 4. I basically uninstalled xposed and my fingerprint scanner recognised me again. I then reinstalled xposed and it was still working.
If you're not rooted this won't work for you but can someone with a rooted phone try installing xposed framework and see if it fixes it for you?
Thanks!:good:
I have the same incidence after restoring a nandroid backup to downgrade from LOLLIPOP to KITKAT, I've tried installing Xposed Framework Without Sucess.
I was able to unlock the screen using the google account and afterwards removing the lock screen by fingerprint.
When I try to change the FingerPrint asks me for the password for securty account and doesn't work (in locked screen worked fine).
So I'm afraid I'll have to do a full restore if there's no any other way to reconfigure the fingerprint scanner
snagix said:
I have the same incidence after restoring a nandroid backup to downgrade from LOLLIPOP to KITKAT, I've tried installing Xposed Framework Without Sucess.
I was able to unlock the screen using the google account and afterwards removing the lock screen by fingerprint.
When I try to change the FingerPrint asks me for the password for securty account and doesn't work (in locked screen worked fine).
So I'm afraid I'll have to do a full restore if there's no any other way to reconfigure the fingerprint scanner
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If that nandroid backup is NIE, you'll need to wipe and Odin NK2. If it's NK2, try just wiping all user data to fix the finger print scanner. Password is not recognized is the indication that suggests one of the two solutions.
Installing Xposed won't fix that but temporarily uninstalling and clearing various apps' user data has helped. Personally, I've seen that work on health services and s health. If you need Xposed, you'll need the secure storage module. Just search secure or secure storage in the Xposed download search engine.
Locked out or private mode fingerprint and backup password don't work
So I'm locked out of private mode fingerprint and backup password don't work so I was wondering if I were to clear my credentials by encryptin device will it reset my backup password so I can access private mode or is there away i can backup my pravite mode files even tho I can't access them so i can do factory reset if that will fix it so i can use and access private mode with my files also can i find my private mode/ hidden files in my files on my note 4
snagix said:
I have the same incidence after restoring a nandroid backup to downgrade from LOLLIPOP to KITKAT, I've tried installing Xposed Framework Without Sucess.
I was able to unlock the screen using the google account and afterwards removing the lock screen by fingerprint.
When I try to change the FingerPrint asks me for the password for securty account and doesn't work (in locked screen worked fine).
So I'm afraid I'll have to do a full restore if there's no any other way to reconfigure the fingerprint scanner
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Have similar issue after flashing a Tekxodus URV6.6 .. restoring data from a nandroid backup from Texodus URV6.5 which had all my apps installed.
I guess lesson learned is to make sure to disable the fingerprint security and wipe registered fingerprints before doing a Nandroid backup.
P.S.: for some reason the fingerprint backup password doesn't work
lewis.james.750983 said:
Have similar issue after flashing a Tekxodus URV6.6 .. restoring data from a nandroid backup from Texodus URV6.5 which had all my apps installed.
I guess lesson learned is to make sure to disable the fingerprint security and wipe registered fingerprints before doing a Nandroid backup.
P.S.: for some reason the fingerprint backup password doesn't work
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63327098&postcount=1
There's no flashable so try deleting the file or files instead.
Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk
samep said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63327098&postcount=1
There's no flashable so try deleting the file or files instead.
Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk
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Thank you. I'll try it later .. I already wiped data and restored a Nand backup of the a clean Tekxodus URV6.6, luckily I have a full Titanium backup of everything (including call log, text messages ..etc.)
Btw, this Dual MicroSD reader is the best $10 i spent in my life it comes in handy once you pop a 64GB MicroSD in it, to use in TWRP for Nandroid backup, or to store a backup of Titanium Backups.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...2_amc_mmcbk_twingo_otg_swapable_micro_sd.html

[Q] No Usable Options to sign in

Galaxy Tab S T-700 Lost unlock options
I have what seems to be a new one....The fingerprint scanner no longer boots at startup, The Alternative Password claims that I don't know it and I can't find the option to sign in with Google. Any suggestions????
I hadn't altered the software, Everything is still stock. I have VERY limited function thru a guest profile which will not allow any new apps nor access to most of the apps installed under my profile.
How about some kind of remote access?? Bypass the lock screen? I do have the right fingerprint, and the Alt PW ( I think, 90% sure). I have Team Viewer on everything else. Debugging is enabled. I have a good Google account. I also use Last Pass......
I'm another desperate noob. Please help.:crying:....
Try vol +home+power with the tablet off. Reboot into recovery, wipe data,cache and reboot. Second one odin 3.09 plus stock firmware from sammobile.com, boot in download mode and flash the firmware. Metod one will make you lose all your data, method 2 maybe will save your pesonal files (pictures, etc). 3rd method...samsung repair...you need proof of purchase , box and all the accesories. Good luck
Did you set up FIND MY MOBILE in Security settings. If so you can use it to unlock the lock screen with a code.
https://findmymobile.samsung.com/login.do
Scritterz said:
Galaxy Tab S T-700 Lost unlock options
I have what seems to be a new one....The fingerprint scanner no longer boots at startup, The Alternative Password claims that I don't know it and I can't find the option to sign in with Google. Any suggestions????
I hadn't altered the software, Everything is still stock. I have VERY limited function thru a guest profile which will not allow any new apps nor access to most of the apps installed under my profile.
How about some kind of remote access?? Bypass the lock screen? I do have the right fingerprint, and the Alt PW ( I think, 90% sure). I have Team Viewer on everything else. Debugging is enabled. I have a good Google account. I also use Last Pass......
I'm another desperate noob. Please help.:crying:....
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Search on youtube on how to bypass lockscreen before you factory reset.
Much Thanks!
In that I was "just playing" until I had the intestinal fortitude to root I went ahead with the factory reset.
Have any of you seen the loss of a sign in method before? Factory reset fixed it.... I wish I knew what caused it...
Threads again!
Signed,
Not so very desperate noob....

Phone encrypted startup & i forgot the pattern

i have the phone updated to android pie and rooted with magisk the latest version and i have twrp recovery on it
but while installing one of the mods (youtube vanced) and after it rebooted the phone asked for my pattern (not on the lock screen but the encrypted startup feature which i didn't turn on but i have changed my pattern a few days ago but i use the fingerprint always on the phone)
i forgot the pattern for the phone and i tried on it and it says 9 more tries and my phone will be wiped
is there a way to find the pattern on my google account since it's linked to the phone and it automatically uploads it to the cloud ? or is there a way to bypass it ?
Note:i know it sound like i stole the phone but i have proof of ownership if anyone wants(the box and the google account linked to it are mine and is linked to this account)
thanks in advance
Do you have access on twrp? If entered first time pattern should be saved and you can access data.
Simply reboot in twrp, if no pattern is asked make a backup of data partition (that will be unencrypted) just in case you will need to wipe and search for a way to access twrp-saved pattern.
You could also try the google feature "find my device" and change pattern, but as phone its encrypted i dont really think it will work.
mac12m99 said:
Do you have access on twrp? If entered first time pattern should be saved and you can access data.
Simply reboot in twrp, if no pattern is asked make a backup of data partition (that will be unencrypted) just in case you will need to wipe and search for a way to access twrp-saved pattern.
You could also try the google feature "find my device" and change pattern, but as phone its encrypted i dont really think it will work.
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sadly the "find my phone" doesn't help
and in TWRP it asks for the key too and when i press cancel and try to go to data/system where the pass key is there is nothing (it must be encrypted as well)
and twrp says that my data is 0mb and can't even back it up because it's encrypted
Ok, but it doesnt say that data will be wiped, so you can try a lot of patterns.
Unfortunatelly theres no way to bypass because data is encrypted, you should try again and again and prepare yourself for a complete wipe.
cuper22 said:
i have the phone updated to android pie and rooted with magisk the latest version and i have twrp recovery on it
but while installing one of the mods (youtube vanced) and after it rebooted the phone asked for my pattern (not on the lock screen but the encrypted startup feature which i didn't turn on but i have changed my pattern a few days ago but i use the fingerprint always on the phone)
i forgot the pattern for the phone and i tried on it and it says 9 more tries and my phone will be wiped
is there a way to find the pattern on my google account since it's linked to the phone and it automatically uploads it to the cloud ? or is there a way to bypass it ?
Note:i know it sound like i stole the phone but i have proof of ownership if anyone wants(the box and the google account linked to it are mine and is linked to this account)
thanks in advance
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What twrp did u use I keep reading it's bricks in pie
rob420p said:
What twrp did u use I keep reading it's bricks in pie
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the one posted here on(although i'm sure i'm not using it correctly since every time i need to open it i need to fastboot boot twrb.img) it's been like that since 8.1
cuper22 said:
the one posted here on(although i'm sure i'm not using it correctly since every time i need to open it i need to fastboot boot twrb.img) it's been like that since 8.1
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That's some bugs I've heard about it.on the post it recommends not useing that one for pie.u might want to look on Google I did see something about a emcrptiin patch

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