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Is there any way to take a rooted r800x phone running stock 2.3.3 and overclock it without the use of a computer? I currently don't have access to a PC, but I would really like to increase my CPU speed. Any advice would be appreciated.
well in order to overclock your cpu you need to unlock the bootloader which requires a computer, then install a custom kernel which also requires a computer.
and in order to unlock an r800x you need to jump through some serious hoops while connecting it to your computer.
xrishox said:
well in order to overclock your cpu you need to unlock the bootloader which requires a computer, then install a custom kernel which also requires a computer.
and in order to unlock an r800x you need to jump through some serious hoops while connecting it to your computer.
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Not true
other devices have overclocked with locked bootloader like the Droid X has an actual fuse that will brick the device if you try to unlock bootloader.
but yet they manage to over clock it
we just need to write a module to do it from stock kernel.
I will look into making one
I know another user on the forums is also working on it
Actually alot of devices have locked bootloaders. If you ask me it's hurt this community that we have some people with locked and unlocked because that creates division. meaning that developer either work on unlocked or locked bootloaders
if we were all unlocked or all locked then everything would work for every Xperia
Is there a way? Yes
Does that way exist yet? No
Actually there's no division at all: work is done for unlocked bootloaders only.
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Actually there's no division at all: work is done for unlocked bootloaders only.
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Not anymore. I'm making stuff for locked bootloader
Hogwarts:
I really appreciate you putting the time and effort into these things.
I'm honestly trying to avoid unlocking my bootloader since it not only requires money to be unlocked, but it also has a chance of bricking my Play if I accidentally update it.
Best of luck with working with locked bootloaders, and hopefully you'll get a working method of overclocking the Play
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Actually alot of devices have locked bootloaders. If you ask me it's hurt this community that we have some people with locked and unlocked because that creates division. meaning that developer either work on unlocked or locked bootloaders
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the problem isn't that some are locked and some aren't; the problme is:
some are locked.
and its only a problem for those with the locked bootloader. and it isn't even a problem because even those with a locked bootloader.... you can still get it unlocked. locked bootloaders are always going to be completely inferior to unlocked bootloaders.
you can only push a kernel so far with kernel modules. an unlocked bootloader is ALWAYS better. even if you get something like kexec compiled and running as a module on the kernel its a pain in the ass to deal with.
an unlocked bootloader is always better hence why unlocked phones get supported by cyanogen officially and locked bootloaders don't.
the real thing dividing this community is the cdma vs gsm and the fact that verizon is locked into specific outdated firmware, it has nothing to do with the bootloader.
Not true
other devices have overclocked with locked bootloader like the Droid X has an actual fuse that will brick the device if you try to unlock bootloader.
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i never said it wasn't theoretically possible, but it isn't possible right now, so i'm not really wrong. no one cares about locked bootloaders, and even if you do are you a kernel developer? are you going to develope a kernel module for the locked bootloader when it's piss easy to just unlock it? it's a complete waste of time and effort.
SEE WHAT YOU STARTED OP?!?!
I hope you're happy
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Is there a way? Yes
Does that way exist yet? No
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Actually there's no division at all: work is done for unlocked bootloaders only.
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Very nice answers!... lol But if i may add my 2 cents.... Obviousy all the work is going to be towards unlocked BL, they are the easiest to work with as you do not have to keep finding work arounds, and what not. However I really do agree with the CDMA vs. GSM issue. Thats our biggest issue, as a lot of the play owners are in other parts of the world wich use GSM version, and they are the majority, so thats where the focus is going to be. It is possible to do ALMOST the same things with locked BL, and i think Hogwarts will prove just this, over time. Good luck Hogwarts, if you need any assistance hit me up, dont know much about linux code, but if you need more processing power to run tests or what not my Alienware w/ i7 quad core is standing by.
well the problem is that with a locked bootloader you can never update the kernel, so then if sony or verizon doesn't release a new version of the kernel then you are stuck using the old one. modules can only push it so far, and if you want a full icecream sandwich experiance you are going to need an updated kernel as far as i'm aware.... unless you can backport ics to older kernels, which i'm not sure.
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SEE WHAT YOU STARTED OP?!?!
I hope you're happy
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LOL, i didnt see this till after i posted my earlier reply, or this definetly would have made it in my quoted replies!...
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well the problem is that with a locked bootloader you can never update the kernel, so then if sony or verizon doesn't release a new version of the kernel then you are stuck using the old one. modules can only push it so far, and if you want a full icecream sandwich experiance you are going to need an updated kernel as far as i'm aware.... unless you can backport ics to older kernels, which i'm not sure.
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Based on the stuff I've seen you type in this thread I dont think you really understand optimization or progress.
I would base your ICS "experience" with the same one people had moving from Windows XP to Vista, a $hit one.
You are talking about ICS like it is some kind of dream and will make your life easier when in reality it's only going to slow the Xperia down because more process running and more rubbish integrated into the system. If you ask me ICS is a waste of time especially for gamers. If you are gaming why do you need live wall paper or any of this other "update" rubbish that ICS is going to bring. The Xperia is already limited with internal memory as it is and now you will be clogging it up more with junk on ICS. I dont think so. NO THANKS.
Furthermore your claim that it's easy to unlock a bootloader is a pack of rubbish.
It costs money. money has value. Also for a normal person who is not a developer getting all the drivers tools and stuff setup
will waste alot of there time. Simply put its a PITA.
The truth is that a locked bootloader rom with overclock kernel is probably the best thing the Xperia will ever see in terms of free / sharware. to help the community of locked users who have no intention of paying for unlocks,
That statement will be true until Sony releases the algorithm used to decipher MEID into unlock codes.
Plain and simple.
Wow... I have just been converted to a Hogwarts fan. Testify, my Brother!
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Based on the stuff I've seen you type in this thread I dont think you really understand optimization or progress.
I would base your ICS "experience" with the same one people had moving from Windows XP to Vista, a $hit one.
You are talking about ICS like it is some kind of dream and will make your life easier when in reality it's only going to slow the Xperia down because more process running and more rubbish integrated into the system. If you ask me ICS is a waste of time especially for gamers. If you are gaming why do you need live wall paper or any of this other "update" rubbish that ICS is going to bring. The Xperia is already limited with internal memory as it is and now you will be clogging it up more with junk on ICS. I dont think so. NO THANKS.
Furthermore your claim that it's easy to unlock a bootloader is a pack of rubbish.
It costs money. money has value. Also for a normal person who is not a developer getting all the drivers tools and stuff setup
will waste alot of there time. Simply put its a PITA.
The truth is that a locked bootloader rom with overclock kernel is probably the best thing the Xperia will ever see in terms of free / sharware. to help the community of locked users who have no intention of paying for unlocks,
That statement will be true until Sony releases the algorithm used to decipher MEID into unlock codes.
Plain and simple.
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the unlock is like 20 dollars. thats like chump change especially for a device that has a monthly fee to keep active. as for the drivers and stuff being a pain in the ass... it really isn't. the person doing the unlock can download and install all the drivers for you via teamviewer. and over time 2.3 will become deprecated as more and more apps will require 4.0 to run. probably not right away but i'm assuming most people are running this with a 2 year contract... in 2 years i'm sure most apps will require 4.0 or higher.
as for ics being a memory monster bogging down your system, i have ics running on my kindle fire and it isn't bogging down anything. it also has 512 megs of ram. i don't think it's a dream it's just progressive. staying in the past is pointless. you don't have to use those live wallpapers or any of those things. sounds like someone has a bad case of sour grapes.
i don't understand why someone who is so intent on messing around with their device is so against shelling out a measily 20-25 dollars for an unlock. it's not like the guy doing it is doing it to screw you over. it actually costs him money. he's not making 25 dollars profit. he's doing it for the betterment of the community. it's more brick-resistant, it offers more features etc. i just don't get it. the only way i could understand it is like if it's a kid who is still in school and their parents are paying for their phone so they just cant get an unlock.
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the unlock is like 20 dollars. thats like chump change especially for a device that has a monthly fee to keep active. as for the drivers and stuff being a pain in the ass... it really isn't. the person doing the unlock can download and install all the drivers for you via teamviewer. and over time 2.3 will become deprecated as more and more apps will require 4.0 to run. probably not right away but i'm assuming most people are running this with a 2 year contract... in 2 years i'm sure most apps will require 4.0 or higher.
as for ics being a memory monster bogging down your system, i have ics running on my kindle fire and it isn't bogging down anything. it also has 512 megs of ram. i don't think it's a dream it's just progressive. staying in the past is pointless. you don't have to use those live wallpapers or any of those things. sounds like someone has a bad case of sour grapes.
i don't understand why someone who is so intent on messing around with their device is so against shelling out a measily 20-25 dollars for an unlock. it's not like the guy doing it is doing it to screw you over. it actually costs him money. he's not making 25 dollars profit. he's doing it for the betterment of the community. it's more brick-resistant, it offers more features etc. i just don't get it. the only way i could understand it is like if it's a kid who is still in school and their parents are paying for their phone so they just cant get an unlock.
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your views are really biased towards your viewpoint, I know they aren't charging to make money I've spoken to the 2 unlockers on the board in PM's on several occasions.
It's about free-ware. helping the community. helping people out.
not everyone has money OR if they do they dont like to waste it on an unlock when there is more important stuff. also not everyone has a contract
not everyone has a data plan. you just assume all this stuff is true.
In the end what matters is helping people with a free solution and doing a good job of it
Look at the Droid X community for your answers
the device is locked with a e-fuse yet a big modding community and ROM selection exists. also they have overclock.
ICS is like Windows 7, full of fancy widgets and "features" I could care less about.
Friends, sadly the optimus G will have a locked bootloader
http://www.androidcentral.com/official-word-optimus-g-bootloader
And, therefore I won't be buying it. Oh well, I'll wait for a company that wants to play nice.
I'm in no hurry.
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JasonJoel said:
And, therefore I won't be buying it. Oh well, I'll wait for a company that wants to play nice.
I'm in no hurry.
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Good luck if you're on at&t.
Pretty sure you just have to go straight for an off contract phone.
I hate supporting phones that don't come with unlocked bootloaders by default but, I don't h ave 500$+ to spend.. Especially when I'll be paying the same price for my cellular service either way.
Well I guess we'll just have to wait for the Google announcement on the 29th to see when the Nexus 4comes out huh. After watching the PocketNow review of this phone I was considering it but with a locked bootloader no way.
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Good luck if you're on at&t.
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Not really... Samsung phones (like the S3) have unlockable boot loader on at&t. As does the HTC One X I'm using (although HTC screwed that up in later releases).
Will probably just go with the Note 2 if it has an unlockable bootloader (which it should).
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Can someone please explain something. I'm obviously not up on this due to the noob question, but just yesterday there was news that the device is in fact root-able. I assume this is totally different than a locked bootloader? Can the boot loader still be locked, yet rooted? Once rooted, is the device's bootloader unlocked at that time? thanks, guys
Yes u can root even with a locked boot loader. You.just can't flash.custom kernels. Although I.don't know if kexec will work or not. I think the guys that.get the Sprint version will be ok with an unlockable boot loader. I am sure that there is someone with an unlocked boot loader floating around. Kinda like the Verizon s3 got a leak of an unsecured boot loader which let us unlock it Just have to wait.and see what.pops up.
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First... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Well, I was somewhat expecting this. Oh well. I will sit back and see what happens. Many locked phones have fallen to the powers of the Android community. (I forget what the Korean thread says, but I thought they had cracked their version already.) Only time will tell. I hope it's quick though.
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Can someone please explain something. I'm obviously not up on this due to the noob question, but just yesterday there was news that the device is in fact root-able. I assume this is totally different than a locked bootloader? Can the boot loader still be locked, yet rooted? Once rooted, is the device's bootloader unlocked at that time? thanks, guys
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There is this post to give you a little start on the lingo. A google search ought to give you a good explanation quickly.
In short though, to answer your questions from a not-quite-so-noob, "rooting" a device gains you access to the software running on the system. Don't like the bloatware that came on the phone? With root access, you can delete them. You can have root without an unlocked bootloader. (Warranty likely voided.)
The bootloader is the first bit of software that the phone runs when the power is turned on, which loads the OS and such, and passes off control to the OS to boot up.With a locked bootloader, you are basically stuck with the updates (if any) blessed by the manufacturer AND the carrier. Unlocked, you can install customized ROMs, swap kernels, custom recoveries (search "nandroid backup"), and even more warranty voiding goodness. YOU decide "how" your phone works.
Now... If your phone DOES break, both acts can be reversed (some exceptions) so you can pretend you didn't do anything you weren't supposed to be doing, and have your "warranty."
JasonJoel said:
Not really... Samsung phones (like the S3) have unlockable boot loader on at&t. As does the HTC One X I'm using (although HTC screwed that up in later releases).
Will probably just go with the Note 2 if it has an unlockable bootloader (which it should).
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Yes but, with HTC you are only marginally better off as they provide incredibly small kernel support. My HTC flyer has an officially unlocked bootloader and Dexter has been working on a JB Rom forever and it's still not in a "Factory release" state like other devices.
I don't blame Dexter but, it's pretty sad. Heck, in the One X+ forum there was announcement by a dev openly stated we should be aware it will be hard to dev for before we even consider it.
As far as Samsung goes, I applaud them for supporting the dev community the way they have in the various ways but, their SAMOLED screens are a bit..well dated looking. When they first came out, they were nice because they were brighter, more vibrant, and colorful. Now I really would love to hop on the IPS displays which are sharper.
I was right. Damn you LG! DAMN YOUUUUU!
Guess, I'm sticking with my O4X HD. With the same locked bootloader FTL
Would it be more productive to petition lg or start a bounty.... Or does the locked bootloaders even really matter? My understanding is without kernel sources an email unlocked bootloader isn't only marginally useful.
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Would it be more productive to petition lg or start a bounty.... Or does the locked bootloaders even really matter? My understanding is without kernel sources an email unlocked bootloader isn't only marginally useful.
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Already have one going on: http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
So please guys, sign the petition and who knows...somewhere down the road maybe they'll listen and grant our wishes. :crying:
We're already up to 1000+ that already signed...lets get this rolling and share it to every other forum you go to. Thanks in advanced.
How often do petitions actually work?
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How often do petitions actually work?
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Imagine if <10,000 people signed a petition saying that they wanted McDonald's to stop selling meat products. Yeah, LG probably cares about as much as McDonald's would in that scenario.
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Imagine if <10,000 people signed a petition saying that they wanted McDonald's to stop selling meat products. Yeah, LG probably cares about as much as McDonald's would in that scenario.
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I respectfully disagree. LG is not anywhere near HTC, Apple, or Samsung in terms of volume sold. They need all the help they can get and simply cannot afford to lose potential customers. Even HTC and Samsung have been affected by petitions like this. It led HTC to have unlockable bootloaders. Also, in your McDonald's analogy, McDonald's would be losing many customers if they no longer had burgers or other meat products, whereas LG would be gaining customers if they decided to open up a bit. And the community here at XDA (most of whom I would assume are against locked bootloaders) is for the most part, fairly knowledgeable about phones and mobile devices. As we are knowledgeable on the subject, people go to us for advice on their next devices. If LG's bootloaders were unlocked, I can assure you that I (like many other XDA users) would not only purchase the Optimus G for myself, but I would also be much more likely to recommend it. There's ~5 Million members here, of which I would imagine 1-1.5 Million are in the market for a new device. As it offers the best specifications on the market at the moment, I would assume the Optimus G would have to be a thought to most of these people. However, the lack of SD Card support (on the International and Sprint versions), nonremovable battery, and locked bootloaders can potentially deter many of these people from buying it and/or recommending it to their friends, families, and acquaintances and instead, these people could easily opt for roughly equivalent devices made by LG's competitors, such as the One series by HTC and the Galaxy series by Samsung. It never makes business sense to turn away thousands of potential customers, especially when said company is not leading sales figures in the industry.
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I respectfully disagree. LG is not anywhere near HTC, Apple, or Samsung in terms of volume sold. They need all the help they can get and simply cannot afford to lose potential customers. Even HTC and Samsung have been affected by petitions like this. It led HTC to have unlockable bootloaders. Also, in your McDonald's analogy, McDonald's would be losing many customers if they no longer had burgers or other meat products, whereas LG would be gaining customers if they decided to open up a bit. And the community here at XDA (most of whom I would assume are against locked bootloaders) is for the most part, fairly knowledgeable about phones and mobile devices. As we are knowledgeable on the subject, people go to us for advice on their next devices. If LG's bootloaders were unlocked, I can assure you that I (like many other XDA users) would not only purchase the Optimus G for myself, but I would also be much more likely to recommend it. There's ~5 Million members here, of which I would imagine 1-1.5 Million are in the market for a new device. As it offers the best specifications on the market at the moment, I would assume the Optimus G would have to be a thought to most of these people. However, the lack of SD Card support (on the International and Sprint versions), nonremovable battery, and locked bootloaders can potentially deter many of these people from buying it and/or recommending it to their friends, families, and acquaintances and instead, these people could easily opt for roughly equivalent devices made by LG's competitors, such as the One series by HTC and the Galaxy series by Samsung. It never makes business sense to turn away thousands of potential customers, especially when said company is not leading sales figures in the industry.
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I mostly agree with your points. I do, however, think that the whole purpose of OEMs locking their bootloaders is to deter people from prolonging the life of their phone and not to protect people from bricking them. Because let's face it, 99.9% of people that even know what a bootloader is in the first place will probably be able to flash their phone without bricking it and exchanging it for a new one at the OEMs expense. So, with that in mind, it only seems logical that an OEM would lock the bootloader to prevent people from taking things into their own hands with such a powerhouse phone that could last for years with proper software updates (that will undoubtedly not happen in a timely manner from LG for more than the first year, if that). They want people to like the phone, be at the mercy of LG for updates, and when those updates end, buy a new LG phone and repeat. So with this standard model, I just don't see how they could care about the very small (in comparison to the general public) development community. Just my thoughts though, I really have no idea what LG's strategy is or what will end up happening.
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I mostly agree with your points. I do, however, think that the whole purpose of OEMs locking their bootloaders is to deter people from prolonging the life of their phone and not to protect people from bricking them. Because let's face it, 99.9% of people that even know what a bootloader is in the first place will probably be able to flash their phone without bricking it and exchanging it for a new one at the OEMs expense. So, with that in mind, it only seems logical that an OEM would lock the bootloader to prevent people from taking things into their own hands with such a powerhouse phone that could last for years with proper software updates (that will undoubtedly not happen in a timely manner from LG for more than the first year, if that). They want people to like the phone, be at the mercy of LG for updates, and when those updates end, buy a new LG phone and repeat. So with this standard model, I just don't see how they could care about the very small (in comparison to the general public) development community. Just my thoughts though, I really have no idea what LG's strategy is or what will end up happening.
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You know.. I think the bold part is also problematic. While it is a great "theoretical" strategy... the amount of people you piss off is potentially enough that they will never buy your device again.
Back when my Captivate was younger, despite there being many solid ROM options, people were still outraged the phone didn't receive prompt manufacturer provided updates.
Despite the whole "if people knew how to unlock bootloaders, bricks would happen left and right!" argument that I've seen circulating for the last 2 years.. the reality is if people know their warranty is voided, they either do or don't care. If unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone were just a few ABD commands that would be all the litmus test needed really.
The reality is if people can use ABD then they are probably technically proficient enough to install a custom ROM. If they are too scared for their warranty/afraid of entering commands by text, they are probably not going to want to install a custom rom anyway.
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You know.. I think the bold part is also problematic. While it is a great "theoretical" strategy... the amount of people you piss off is potentially enough that they will never buy your device again.
Back when my Captivate was younger, despite there being many solid ROM options, people were still outraged the phone didn't receive prompt manufacturer provided updates.
Despite the whole "if people knew how to unlock bootloaders, bricks would happen left and right!" argument that I've seen circulating for the last 2 years.. the reality is if people know their warranty is voided, they either do or don't care. If unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone were just a few ABD commands that would be all the litmus test needed really.
The reality is if people can use ABD then they are probably technically proficient enough to install a custom ROM. If they are too scared for their warranty/afraid of entering commands by text, they are probably not going to want to install a custom rom anyway.
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That's how it is on the Nexus series (simple ADB commands), which I doubt is bricked any more than on any other devices.
Back to Scotty's post, I really don't think LG wants to update these phones (that's what the development community is for), so I don't think their goal is to keep you on their software. I don't think the custom software is supposed to serve any purpose but to make people buy the devices in the first place. I do agree that they're concerned that unlocked bootloaders make people more likely to brick (which is likely not true since it's the same people unlocking bootloaders on locked devices as the people who install custom ROMs on others). I actually think that locking bootloaders makes people trying to unlock them more likely to brick in the process. CM ROMs actually make things easier on their update team since the people who care about the OS version are typically the first to try custom ROMs. At the very least, I would like for LG to implement a similar strategy to HTC and Motorola where they keep track of people who unlock, but give a free, painless method. This would make everyone (LG and us) fairly happy.
If there is going to be a lg nexus phone wouldn't it be much easier to unlock the boot loader and have kernel sources? The hardware is the same
Hello all,
Given that Amazon has just slashed the price on what is in reality a powerful phone, what is the likelihood that we could see an unlocked bootloader (from the community) in the near future. CM would really make this phone fly.
I got the Fire Phone, as it was a $100 for me (i consider the 99$ amazon prime that comes with it, like renewing my existing one that expires on Jan 1st anyway).
As an excited developer, I actually am planning to devote time to trying to flash Custom Recoveries (or at least boot them), and getting Android Lollipop on it. Those are my 2 goals. I have no clue if I will achieve them, as this is my first strong attempt at making something custom, but I will try. I have android 5.0 and fireos sources downloaded. I will try to pull all the system level stuff on my phone from it (incase I need drivers or something), and take a stab. If I can get Lollipop stock working, I will then move to CM 12 and do that.
My goal is for 5.x support. If I can pull it off, I don't want to foray into anything less than Android 5.0.
Wish me luck.
As for bootloader unlock, I haven't checked, but it might be as simple as fastboot oem unlock. Here's to hoping.
Great to hear! Thank you for dedicating your time, I am hopping after end of this semester I will be able to join in this endeavor.
Best of luck!
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Great to hear! Thank you for dedicating your time, I am hopping after end of this semester I will be able to join in this endeavor.
Best of luck!
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Just a heads up, the bootloader is locked down pretty tight. Unlocking it will require finding and using an exploit. there is a guy on the HDX forum that found an exploit for that Tablet that would work for the Fire Phone, but he decided for legal reasons to not release it anywhere, so both devices are in limbo. Wish i knew even at which exploit to look into and I would do the rest myself.
if it is locked so tight, what is the point of giving away as open source
Daegalus said:
As for bootloader unlock, I haven't checked, but it might be as simple as fastboot oem unlock. Here's to hoping.
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lol, you must be joking.
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lol, you must be joking.
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Umm, no, not at the time of that post. If you read the post i made after that, you would have seen that I actually checked and found out it wasn't the case. Way to jump the gun.
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Umm, no, not at the time of that post. If you read the post i made after that, you would have seen that I actually checked and found out it wasn't the case. Way to jump the gun.
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If it was as simple as a 'fastboot oem unlock' we wouldn't be here half a year later discussing this to begin with. All I'm saying, of course that wasn't going to work.
Glad you're attempting this. If I can help, please let me know. Unless people smarter than me can unlock the bootloader, you might be creating one great virtual machine that won't make it to this nice piece of hardware.
I bought this phone to learn more about the same things you plan to do. I dislike the fireos (and the glitches in the use of the side-loaded gapps) enough to return the phone, but the cheap price, dreaming of a decent OTA update in January, and folks like you working on it makes me think I'll hang on to it as a backup.
I just got a fire phone as well. Hope this forum will get more traction as Amazon release its FireOS source...
"My name is 4.1chan, I will hack this device because I am great developer. Trust me, I took a Jawa class in Kindergarten and passed."
Seriously though, can't see this happening any time soon. You need experienced people, not someone who says they can do it even though they don't even know the boot loader is locked like Ford Knox. Big talk has always led to big disappointment in my experience on xda-developers. Don't get your hopes up, the phone is basically rubbish as it is (even more with simlock), so don't just buy because it is cheap.
Agreed, I am not expecting much on the unlocking front. If it happens great, if not oh well. But I would not call this phone rubbish, it's fast cheap and runs everything I need perfectly. Sure it doesn't have that perfect Android feel, but who cares. Plus the auto scroll feature is pretty handy.
The phone's spec is great for the $200 unlocked price but NO ROM, NO BUY MAN.
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Agreed, I am not expecting much on the unlocking front. If it happens great, if not oh well. But I would not call this phone rubbish, it's fast cheap and runs everything I need perfectly. Sure it doesn't have that perfect Android feel, but who cares. Plus the auto scroll feature is pretty handy.
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Agreed! An excellent phone for $100! Can't beat that price. Runs what I need as well once you install Google framework, services and play store.
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*sigh* nevermind, I just leave this here, since THIS is a thread about the bootloader (thanks for trying, Mod. ^^)
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http://www.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hd-6-and-7-receive-bootloader-unlock-and-twrp/
Will this help us Fire Phone users?
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Eiermann78 said:
I already tried this and CuberHDX.py, too but it fails with Unlock Code is NOT correct
Maybe the Steps would be right, but i don´t know how to figure out the correct code for the fire phone.
Tested at Fire OS 3.5 and 4.6.1
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@ Viperise152 & Eggmän78 Sadly: No, it won't help. The unlock for the 6" and 7" is based on the HDX bootloader unlock method. This vuln. was already fixed for the FirePhone by Amazon.
Looking to get the 3XL when it comes out through Verizon. Most likely Verizon is going to run a buy one get one with adding on a new line in.
With the phone being stock Android already but with a Verizon locked bootloader is it more beneficial to give up the buy-one-get-one and just buy an unlocked one through Verizon? If I go the buy-one-get-one route myself and my brother-in-law are going to be splitting the retail cost of the one we have to buy
EDIT 10/13/2018
Come to find out we cannot have any more smartphones on our line with it being a special plan that it is. So we can't take advantage of the buy one get one
If you want root, then do not buy the Verizon version. On all previous Verizon Pixel devices "OEM unlocking" in developer options has been disabled. With that disabled you can't unlock the bootloader. With a locked bootloader you can't install TWRP. Without TWRP you can't install Magisk. Without Magisk you have no root.
If having root is not important to you, then feel free to go for the Verizon version.
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If you want root, then do not buy the Verizon version. On all previous Verizon Pixel devices "OEM unlocking" in developer options has been disabled. With that disabled you can't unlock the bootloader. With a locked bootloader you can't install TWRP. Without TWRP you can't install Magisk. Without Magisk you have no root.
If having root is not important to you, then feel free to go for the Verizon version.
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I know the whole locked bootloader, TWRP stuff. It's probably been since my Google Nexus and I believe my Note 4 or 5 that I messed with rooting, unlocked bootloaders and roms LOL
But with it being stock pure Google is there really anything truly beneficial to having the unlocked bootloader to allow for rooting possibilities. I used to root my phone's just to run custom roms to get rid of them bloatware that other manufacturers put on it. But since the pixel doesn't have a bloat or skin overlay, is there a real reason for rooting capabilities?
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I know the whole locked bootloader, TWRP stuff. It's probably been since my Google Nexus and I believe my Note 4 or 5 that I messed with rooting, unlocked bootloaders and roms LOL
But with it being stock pure Google is there really anything truly beneficial to having the unlocked bootloader to allow for rooting possibilities. I used to root my phone's just to run custom roms to get rid of them bloatware that other manufacturers put on it. But since the pixel doesn't have a bloat or skin overlay, is there a real reason for rooting capabilities?
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There's always good reasons to root. Ad blocking is the number one thing that comes to mind. Utilities like Better Battery Stats to see what's killing your battery, Titanium Backup to backup your apps or uninstall system apps, WakeBlock to block or limit wakelocks so your phone isn't waking up every 10 seconds to send analytics data to Facebook/Twitter/Google when it should be sleeping, etc.
Google phones still come with bloat, it's just not as bad as Samsung or LG phones. For example, my 6P came with a ton of Google apps installed (Play Games, Hangouts, Play Movies, Docs, Slides, and **** ton more) that I would probably never use or have a desire to use. Sure you can disable most of them, but I'd rather remove them entirely.
These are the best reasons for rooting. Ad blocking is a good one, and I just enjoyed flashing new and different roms. It was fun - there was a new cm nightly every day to flash. I've got away from that partly because of less development and partly because stock android is pretty good as is. New features like android pay are very security conscious and don't play well with root. It's up to you if you want to give up the ability to root. Half price on the phone is pretty tempting. If you can't handle staying stock you could probably get your price out of the phone on Swappa and buy from Google. If there is any development to get in to. I've been stock the past year and am happy with that.
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These are the best reasons for rooting. Ad blocking is a good one, and I just enjoyed flashing new and different roms. It was fun - there was a new cm nightly every day to flash. I've got away from that partly because of less development and partly because stock android is pretty good as is. New features like android pay are very security conscious and don't play well with root. It's up to you if you want to give up the ability to root. Half price on the phone is pretty tempting. If you can't handle staying stock you could probably get your price out of the phone on Swappa and buy from Google. If there is any development to get in to. I've been stock the past year and am happy with that.
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Did not think about the swappa thing. May be a good idea depending on what it's going for on there when it releases.
If I would stick with the Verizon variant, I would just need to stay off XDA and not read "what I could be doing with the unlocked variant" lol.
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Looking to get the 3XL when it comes out through Verizon. Most likely Verizon is going to run a buy one get one with adding on a new line in.
With the phone being stock Android already but with a Verizon locked bootloader is it more beneficial to give up the buy-one-get-one and just buy an unlocked one through Verizon? If I go the buy-one-get-one route myself and my brother-in-law are going to be splitting the retail cost of the one we have to buy
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Ill never understand why anyone would buy a device thats locked down if they dont have to.
Absolutely Id go for the nom Verizon version....its a no brainer.
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Don't get a locked device, especially if you're hanging out on XDA!
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Don't get a locked device, especially if you're hanging out on XDA!
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What he said ^^
galaxys said:
Don't get a locked device, especially if you're hanging out on XDA!
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Yea, the fact that you're here is testament to the need for the unlocked Pixel. I've been mostly stock for the last couple years but tinker occasionally. I want the ability to tweak my phone even if I choose not to, especially if there is some development going on. I hope there is some life left in the Pixel community here, it's been kind of quiet. The phone is more difficult to mod and to be honest, the stock software is hard to improve on.
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Yea, the fact that you're here is testament to the need for the unlocked Pixel. I've been mostly stock for the last couple years but tinker occasionally. I want the ability to tweak my phone even if I choose not to, especially if there is some development going on. I hope there is some life left in the Pixel community here, it's been kind of quiet. The phone is more difficult to mod and to be honest, the stock software is hard to improve on.
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That was my thought too about how stock software is hard to improve on to justify buying unlocked rather than the buy one get one thru Verizon ( if they offer it) and splitting the cost of the one we have to buy.
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That was my thought too about how stock software is hard to improve on to justify buying unlocked rather than the buy one get one thru Verizon ( if they offer it) and splitting the cost of the one we have to buy.
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I don't have Verizon but if I got a Pixel for half price thru my carrier I might be on that. My son has Verizon and gets his phone free from his work. He was a hacker too but has been good with a stock Pixel XL since he got it. Monthly updates - hard to beat stock on the Pixels.
As others have mentioned, having an unlocked phone generally means you are able to root the device. However, I couldn't help but noticing Google's new Titan chip that is claiming to securing passwords and the OS. My question is, how is this new "chip" going to play with "rooting" the device. Will simply having an unlocked device bypass this new Titan chip?
At this moment Verizon's 128gb model is 30$ more at 1029.99 with 9% tax 1122.69 plus $30 upgrade fee. Total $1,152.69
Google's version is 999.99 with 9% tax $1089.99
So all in all with tax one is saving over roughly 62$
Verizon is doing BOGO on the 64gb only, and offering a wireless stand. Even without the BOGO it equalizes out.
I don't need the BOGO so buying from Google is cheaper for me
I haven't rooted in YEARS. The last phone I rooted was the 1+2. OEM vanilla android is so good now I'm not even tempted. I stopped specifically when I thought about why I was installing ROMs. I wanted one that hid from Android Pay (back in the day) and allowed me to clone my phone if it broke. So, I was installing software from suspect sources to make copies of my device and perform financial transactions... Dafuq was I thinking!
This probably isn't a popular thing to say, but... how much do you really trust random dudes calling themselves "SKREET/|/KLoWnzZ", or some ****, who put together the "(-XxX[DaRTh++KriMzON ].::.KaRBoN.::.SKuLLzZzXxX-)" ROM, anyway? You've probably got some kind of banking data on that phone, right? I'm not saying Devs are crooks, but I'm certain more than one dude out there isn't on the up-and-up, I promise you. Mathematics demands it to be so. My wife would choke the piss out of me if our account got drained because I compromised our data using a hot ROM cooked up in Romania.
NOW, I get unlocked phones so I can carry a blank phone and switch carriers for trips overseas. My Pixel 2XL will replace my Nexus 6 as my travel phone, and the Pixel 3XL will be my main phone
I have been purchasing my phones directly either from Google or HTC, just so I could unlock and root. But I haven''t been rooting, even with an unlocked bootloader. I am probably not going to unlock my Pixel 3XL since I want to use Android Pay, and also play PoGo (I know Magisk can hide it, but it's always a game of cat and mouse.)
Plus, you never know. The original Verizon Pixel was unlockable for a brief time. It's unlikely, but it could happen this time as well.
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I know the whole locked bootloader, TWRP stuff. It's probably been since my Google Nexus and I believe my Note 4 or 5 that I messed with rooting, unlocked bootloaders and roms LOL
But with it being stock pure Google is there really anything truly beneficial to having the unlocked bootloader to allow for rooting possibilities. I used to root my phone's just to run custom roms to get rid of them bloatware that other manufacturers put on it. But since the pixel doesn't have a bloat or skin overlay, is there a real reason for rooting capabilities?
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Since the Nexus? You didn't even unlock the 5X? So the question is should I spend an extra $1000 so I can possibly use Adaware? You won't need Titanium if you're not flashing roms, Better BS works perfectly without root, and there is no bloatware any longer. I understand if these things like flashing roms from Romania (lol that post above is funny) are important to you but you haven't rooted in like what, 5 years now? This is really a no brainer.
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Plus, you never know. The original Verizon Pixel was unlockable for a brief time. It's unlikely, but it could happen this time as well.
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Not gonna happen like it did for that one month. That flaw has been closed. I'm just waiting for a bounty thread for temp root. And I'm wondering even with temp root if you'd be able to unlock the bootloader on this device.
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Not gonna happen like it did for that one month. That flaw has been closed.
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I'm well aware of that, thanks, but I prefer to be optimistic and hope that we may get lucky. When we get them in our hands, we'll know for sure.
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I'm well aware of that, thanks, but I prefer to be optimistic and hope that we may get lucky. When we get them in our hands, we'll know for sure.
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I do admire your optimism but they've been at this a long time and it seems they really have it locked down this time. Unless the Pixel 3s have an exploit I just don't see it. I do hope you're right though.
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I need help I can't find where to go to get my bootloader unlocked with paid services
dr71399 said:
I need help I can't find where to go to get my bootloader unlocked with paid services
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Check in the XDA Labs app for "Galaxy Bootloader Unlock".
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Check in the XDA Labs app for "Galaxy Bootloader Unlock".
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Wow i just did thanks they want 150 to unlock my bootloader...and then I hear they in Beijing That's a little sketchy If they were here new us... That would be a different story...
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Wow i just did thanks they want 150 to unlock my bootloader...and then I hear they in Beijing That's a little sketchy If they were here new us... That would be a different story...
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Has anybody had this done? It is tempting if they can actually do it!
Its real. My note is unlocked and rooted.
There's warning lights flashing with this one...
As much as I like (and miss) a rooted device, I would definitely err on the side of caution with this one especially if you use your phone for sensitive and personal things. Even then, with 3 mics and all those cameras the chance of spying is great! Definitely curious if this is real to have someone use network tools to see if indeed the modded devices are leaking things they shouldn't.
Plus 150 bucks is really outrageous! Where are the days you could just flash any rom you like...
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Plus 150 bucks is really outrageous! Where are the days you could just flash any rom you like...
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Since there is currently no other root method $150 isn't too bad really.
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Since there is currently no other root method $150 isn't too bad really.
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We're all entitled to an opinion!
Its not some random person, it actually Samsung token. Device is completely wiped during process to prevent gathering data. Nothing nefarious about it. Been unlocked and rooted for awhile as is a ton of others. A couple reputable developers are involved. But like previous post to each their own.
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Its not some random person, it actually Samsung token. Device is completely wiped during process to prevent gathering data. Nothing nefarious about it. Been unlocked and rooted for awhile as is a ton of others. A couple reputable developers are involved. But like previous post to each their own.
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^^^ What he says. It's a man on the inside of the samsung walls doing this.
So just to be clear. You can unlock the bootloader of a US Snapdragon Note 20 Ultra and all it costs is $150? Now this isn't the thing where you can only charge your phone to 80% and other stuff is it?
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So just to be clear. You can unlock the bootloader of a US Snapdragon Note 20 Ultra and all it costs is $150? Now this isn't the thing where you can only charge your phone to 80% and other stuff is it?
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Had my AT&T Phone unlocked, Paid the $150, and since I did the old payment method (wire transfer) Had to wait a few days.
Fully charges, and You can flash TWRP/Root and U/U1 Roms without fear of losing Unlock. The only downside is the Bootloader being unlocked Trips Knox which disables some things like Secure Storage App and Samsung Pay and I believe Samsung Pass. I didn't use those and I have Samsung Pay on my watch which still works.
Also, the process will factory reset your phone like any bootloader unlock procedure.
Am hearing about this 150 dollars to unlock the sm-n986u bootloader, but we're is the link or company that does this?
Try this site: https://www.sampwnd.com/
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Try this site: https://www.sampwnd.com/
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This still seems sketchy to me
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Since there is currently no other root method $150 isn't too bad really.
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That's called Ransom!
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This still seems sketchy to me
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to add some context, I now have usa source and do the unlocking myself directly (im in the usa) so no china source is involved in this process any longer.
but of course if you or anyone else has their reservations then its understandable. I wouldnt expect anyone to go through with something they are 100% on, i wouldnt either lol.
after all, my goal isnt to get paid its to offer a legit way to unlock the bl on devices that otherwise cant and of course to drive development on xda which im sure u can see theres more stuff being posted for usa models since this has become possible from twrp to mods to roms etc.
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to add some context, I now have usa source and do the unlocking myself directly (im in the usa) so no china source is involved in this process any longer.
but of course if you or anyone else has their reservations then its understandable. I wouldnt expect anyone to go through with something they are 100% on, i wouldnt either lol.
after all, my goal isnt to get paid its to offer a legit way to unlock the bl on devices that otherwise cant and of course to drive development on xda which im sure u can see theres more stuff being posted for usa models since this has become possible from twrp to mods to roms etc.
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Thats awesome, I remember during my unlock waiting on the source over in China so you being able to directly do it yourself is a time saver and probably a lot easier
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to add some context, I now have usa source and do the unlocking myself directly (im in the usa) so no china source is involved in this process any longer.
but of course if you or anyone else has their reservations then its understandable. I wouldnt expect anyone to go through with something they are 100% on, i wouldnt either lol.
after all, my goal isnt to get paid its to offer a legit way to unlock the bl on devices that otherwise cant and of course to drive development on xda which im sure u can see theres more stuff being posted for usa models since this has become possible from twrp to mods to roms etc.
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So you can unlock here in the states now? Cheaper then $150 and not in china? PM me if you can still unlock the note 20 ultra!!