Hi all,
I recently received an unlocked 32gb Fire Phone. I searched these forums often to see what the sub-community of Fire Phone users were up to.
Naturally, the first things I did when I received the phone were making it feel more like android by use of the tutorials provided here.
Following the step-by-step instructions for the most recent version of Fire OS, I ran into minor issues with google services.
These experiences are my own and don't reflect other users. I am providing this information for educational purposes and maybe so that someone can in fact help me out.
1 - Google Services forced me to update after I sideloaded it onto the device. Apps were locked without updating.
By doing this, every so often the device likes to alert me that my google account failed to authenticate. It's nonsense, because google play store and play music run flawlessly. In fact, I get updates via e-mail when ever I make a purchase.
2 - Gmaildoes NOT work. I'm not sure how users got it to work but it does NOT work on the device I am currently using. It tells me my name and password are incorrect and then I receive the "failed to..." message. I downloaded a decent replacement from the play store.
3 - Google maps froze after a half a block. I was forced to use Fire Phone's Maps app, which was almost perfect on an hour drive. No hiccups, lag, or freezes.
4 - Making phone calls makes the screen go black. I could not hang up or see my calls. If I unlocked the phone to get to the dialer while on the phone, it would reset to black. Quick fix was going to settings > accessibility > power button turns off call.
5 -From midnight to noon, the device was used on and off. Remember, Fire OS is running, but google ui and services are running as well. Google is taking over 40% of the battery life while Fire OS takes above 25%.
Midnight - 100% (Idle)
2 am - 3 am - 81% (Social Networking)
3 am - 5am - 61% (Idle)
5 am - 7 am - 59% (Idle)
7 am - 8 am - 51% (Browsing)
8am - 11 pm - 20% (Idle)
11pm - 11:20 - 18% (Streaming Tunes)
11:20am - 1 pm - 8% (Idle)
1pm - 1:57pm - 33% (Charging)
During this, light texting to and from occurred, but rarely during idling.
I text often and receive a ton of e-mails so I do worry this will be worse as time progresses and the device ages.
Reviews are unanimous in describing the battery life as mediocre, but seeing as there is a ton of tech packed in, it doesn't bother me entirely. I knew what I was getting myself into when I clicked buy, so I'm not offended as some people tend to get.
My questions to my findings are :
How do I get gmail to work?
How can I see the dialer when I require it?
Is there a method to promote battery longevity?
Do other users have similar findings when using Fire OS without google services?
I can only comment on stock Fire Phone functionality as I actually bought it for the Amazon ecosystem and UI, but battery life was an issue for me as well at first.
I haven't been able to narrow it down exactly, but it's something to do with location services. I have simply turned the location services off altogether and my battery lasts twice as long now, in fact, it lasts as long as my Nokia Lumia 735 did. I usually get up at 7 in the morning and to sleep at 11/12 in the evening. With the Fire Phone I have about 25% left at 11/12, even after watching some Netflix or Instant Video
I don't know how Microsoft does it, but I always have location services on on Windows Phone devices without noticing any battery drain whatsoever. On the Fire Phone all is fine now and when idle it doesn't drain any battery at all, or <1% per hour
I did also notice the battery drain from Fire OS, and it seems to be down to the Kinesis_service, which is an AWS stream for data. No doubt to do with linking everything to Amazon's services. Please note as well that I use auto-brightness too without issues.
MrDewitt said:
Hi all,
I recently received an unlocked 32gb Fire Phone. I searched these forums often to see what the sub-community of Fire Phone users were up to.
Naturally, the first things I did when I received the phone were making it feel more like android by use of the tutorials provided here.
Following the step-by-step instructions for the most recent version of Fire OS, I ran into minor issues with google services.
These experiences are my own and don't reflect other users. I am providing this information for educational purposes and maybe so that someone can in fact help me out.
1 - Google Services forced me to update after I sideloaded it onto the device. Apps were locked without updating.
By doing this, every so often the device likes to alert me that my google account failed to authenticate. It's nonsense, because google play store and play music run flawlessly. In fact, I get updates via e-mail when ever I make a purchase.
2 - Gmaildoes NOT work. I'm not sure how users got it to work but it does NOT work on the device I am currently using. It tells me my name and password are incorrect and then I receive the "failed to..." message. I downloaded a decent replacement from the play store.
3 - Google maps froze after a half a block. I was forced to use Fire Phone's Maps app, which was almost perfect on an hour drive. No hiccups, lag, or freezes.
4 - Making phone calls makes the screen go black. I could not hang up or see my calls. If I unlocked the phone to get to the dialer while on the phone, it would reset to black. Quick fix was going to settings > accessibility > power button turns off call.
5 -From midnight to noon, the device was used on and off. Remember, Fire OS is running, but google ui and services are running as well. Google is taking over 40% of the battery life while Fire OS takes above 25%.
Midnight - 100% (Idle)
2 am - 3 am - 81% (Social Networking)
3 am - 5am - 61% (Idle)
5 am - 7 am - 59% (Idle)
7 am - 8 am - 51% (Browsing)
8am - 11 pm - 20% (Idle)
11pm - 11:20 - 18% (Streaming Tunes)
11:20am - 1 pm - 8% (Idle)
1pm - 1:57pm - 33% (Charging)
During this, light texting to and from occurred, but rarely during idling.
I text often and receive a ton of e-mails so I do worry this will be worse as time progresses and the device ages.
Reviews are unanimous in describing the battery life as mediocre, but seeing as there is a ton of tech packed in, it doesn't bother me entirely. I knew what I was getting myself into when I clicked buy, so I'm not offended as some people tend to get.
My questions to my findings are :
How do I get gmail to work?
How can I see the dialer when I require it?
Is there a method to promote battery longevity?
Do other users have similar findings when using Fire OS without google services?
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On the screen going black on a phone call, my guess is you have a screen protector on this phone. Its blocking the proximity sensor. Take the protector off and see if that resolves your issue.
Xyth said:
On the screen going black on a phone call, my guess is you have a screen protector on this phone. Its blocking the proximity sensor. Take the protector off and see if that resolves your issue.
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Yeah, I've got it but Its very hard to see where is the proximity sensor located. Normally in the other phones we will see it if we look close enough. However, it's almost invisible on the amazon fire phone.
And after a hard-looking few minute. I find it locates just about 1mm under the front facing camera (Using the sensor checking and check around haha)
However, most of the amazon fire phone screen protector now doesn't have the hole in this position. And I really want to use one to protect my screen.
How dumb are the screen protector manufacturers ? I may try to put a hole on this using the paper-hole-punch. Just don't know if it works ...
and with 3.6.8 and low motion (turn off all) my fire gives a very good battery performance !
Several things fixed
Wonderful responses everyone.
I keep location services off at all times unless GPS is being used. I am a stickler for turning it off!
At the time of my post, I was not using a screen protector. I was however using the cheap plastic that surrounded the phone, which became dirty in one day. That area was smudged enough to block the proximity sensor. When my case arrived, I put it on, and the screen is flawless during calls.
As for battery performance. I now went under 24 hours of battery life and have screenshots as evidence. There was a memory leak on my phone somewhere and that stopped! I did nothing to prevent or fix it. The apps that were consuming as much ram as they were are not any more, even under extreme use. I am impressed. Google services went from 40% usage to a miniscule 3%! I did nothing to change anything. So far, my phone has gone through three separate charges since use. After the second charge, for some reason, the phone works so well.
Still would love to know how to get gmail and maps to function correctly.
Google service runs hard at the first time to sync so many things in google account to your device, I suppose.
robocopvn said:
Google service runs hard at the first time to sync so many things in google account to your device, I suppose.
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Maybe! When I install google now laucher, it also drains the battery life time so much.
Something I've discovered is closing apps through the Fire Phone Launcher. Below is a copy/paste of this section through the review I wrote up.
LilLowEK said:
2. How do I quit apps that I'm not using at the moment to extend battery life and free resources?
- If you double click the home button to access the "Quick Switch" menu you can swipe up which will close the app, remove it from the quick switch menu, along with removing it from the cluttered home carousel.
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Hi,
I am having severe problems with battery life where Uptime is equal to Awake or at least very very close to it. I kill Calendar (calendar.bg process) each time after starting the phone, and still I suffer from problems. Today my battery died from 100 to 25 in 7 hours, and I removed both Flickr and killed Google Calendar Sync process again. I've noticed that too many times Google Calendar sync icon in the Google Content Provider window is turning around while there aren't any changes of Google Calendars I've made.
Is it possible and a good solution overall to turn off syncing Calendar via Google content provider and instead configure a Exchange with Google Sync?
I am not sure about calender killing but I just use juicydefender and thgat has massively improved my battery life to over double the time..... might be worth trying that....
I use JuiceDefender as well (UltimateJuice edition) but despite that my phone has died today, so far it is around 9% and I have absolutely no idea why it's dying so fast.
I think I must have some application that prohibits my phone from going into sleep mode. I turned off Flickr completely (I use PicPush to push photos online), I just removed Fring and eBuddy from my phone (I think the culpit may be eBuddy but not really sure). I use Executive Assistant although without Twitter/Facebook pulls.
My Twitter pull is 2 hours. My Facebook pull is 4 hours. I use both internal Sense Peeps and external Twitter for Android content providers because I like to have Peep tweets into my Contact List, althought I am looking for feedback if this is eating too much battery.
Anyway the major sync problem is the Calendar. IT'S TAKING AGES AND ALMOST EVERY TIME I GO TO SYNC WHEN PHONE IS SYNCING, IT'S CALENDAR THAT ROLLS ITS PROGRESS ICON TO NO END. I have no idea why HTC is doing this travesty with its phones, and absolutely no idea how to make Calendar behave on my phone.
Anyway, I ordered MUGEN 3200 MAh battery as a long-term solution. 7mm on the phone's width won't be the best thing to have but it is something I'll get used to if I want to have a phone that lives through a day even if used.
WHAT THE HELL!?
I have turned off Google Calendar sync, and configured Google Sync as Exchange for Calendar events only. Despite the fact, I've noticed the turning circle of sync progress in front of Google Calendar sync (in Google Account) even if it is unchecked. I am totally lost now, what can I do to resolve this?
My next Android may not be HTC.
Hmm - I had exactly the same problem, 'Calendar' using up most of the partial wake. However I'm not convinced it is really the Google Calendar itself causing the problem. I've still got the Agenda widget installed but switched off syncing for the 'Stock' app (as I never use it anyway) and also deleted my Flickr account from the phone - even after a few reboots that still seems to have done the trick and the Calendar partial wake is now miniscule and battery life has shot up.
Do you want to try removing your Flickr account completely and see if that helps?
I've already raised a ticket with HTC about this (and a few other issues). They weren't that helpful when I first emailed them, they've been much better since I phoned them and asked for it to be escalated to a level 2 agent. I'm now getting pretty much daily updates from their agent. They asked me to remove the Agenda widget to see if it helped but now I don't have the problem it's difficult to try these things out - I'm sure they'd be happy to work with you. After you've logged the issue then feel free to PM your email +/- ticket number and I can update my ticket to ask them to run through the troubleshooting with you too.
I have the same issue with my Desire, I don't know how the battery life can be this bad to be honest , but from what I have heard from the latest update the battery life has been really bad for a lot of people, but some others have been lucky.
I have emailed HTC, so lets see what they have to say. Looks like we may have to wait for the next software update so they can resolve this issue.
Other than that I love my Desire and am extremely happy with it
alanjrobertson said:
I've still got the Agenda widget installed but switched off syncing for the 'Stock' app (as I never use it anyway) and also deleted my Flickr account from the phone
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Meanwhile I did this:
I did a factory reset of the phone today, and reinstalled some of the apps I really use and none of those I just kept for rare occasions. I cut down apps that have processes as well.
I turned off Internet Time as I saw online it improved battery time. I don't sync Stocks. I do sync Weather however.
I did not add Flickr account.
I use Pure Calendar that uses the standard Calendar content provider. So I cannot turn off the content provider yet. I know Agenda but its not as good as Pure Calendar. But I did add Calendar content via Exchange. I noticed Exchange sync to be much much faster than the old dragging for a minute or two Google content provider calendar sync.
My battery dies to 95 over couple minutes. I guess calibration is screwed through factory reset as well, I should have never updated with the OTA but got tempted by the Memory Management optimization.
Same here, I dony sync google calander and no flickr. My facebook and twitter are set up for 2 hours and Im using juice defender ultimate. I noticed every time I unlock my fone after the screen gone off it starts to sync even though I have set up everything including mail for 2 hours. Calendar process is used by facebook sync and twitter sync so only way to disable it is to stop your syncs but I dont wanna loose my facebook picture sync so cant do that. Hope HTC improve this in the froyo update.
I used autostarts to disable some apps from starting and its been on for 50 mins so far after full charge and im down to 97% which aint too bad but I think juice defenders night mode helps that. Before autostarts I lost 1% every 5 mins. So try that guys.
It's me again, back to report my unsuccessful phone experience today
Well, apparently factory reset and trimming down the number of apps I use did nothing to prolong my phone's life. 10:00 to 18:00, it was down to 28% and losing 1% every 10 minutes, worse when screen is on. Basically, what I figured out is that it's not some rogue app installed on my device that has been triggering this bad lifespan. I also purchased SeePU++ and was really dishearted to see 60-70% CPU when the Calendar Sync process works, and it works almost constantly no matter I've set 2-4 hours frequency to Facebook and Twitter, and I'm using Exchange for Calendars where it has two frequencies set to 2 and 4 hours peak/offpeak times.
Listening to Music isn't good as well. Using DoubleTwist android app, phone remains warm while listening. Not good. Is the phone completely awake while listening to music even if the screen is off?
I've made the following changes for tomorrow, and I'll report again:
* I turned off Wireless Network Location. Not sure whether I'd live well without it, apparently my Latitude will suffer greatly and Tasker won't be able to use its Location triggers (GPS Fix triggers kill the battery in less than 2 hours), so will other apps that use rough estimation, especially if indoors.
* I revised my UnlimitedJuice. My current profile is:
** Timeout: N/A
** Schedule: Keep APN/WIFI disabled (I removed timed schedules as I suspect it kept my device from prolonged sleep)
** Night: Keep APN/WiFi disabled 0-7am (Use it just for the silent mode, otherwise it's probably charging)
** Traffic: N/A (I used to use Traffic to keep connections alive, but decided not to due to prolonged Calendar sync)
** Peak: N/A (obviously!)
** Charger: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while charging (obviously!)
** Screen: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while screen unlocked (obviously, again!)
If anyone is familiar with UltimateJuice, please let me know whether this sounds okay?
I think a culpit was the Schedule setting, as it must have kept my device constantly out of sleep to check my email. Not that I don't want that but until I stick a Mugen 3200 MAh battery in this device, I am wary against it not sleeping well. I also turned off Traffic as Calendar Sync has the stupid tendency to restart itself despite it is not expected to based on user-set frequency. No idea how to control this, no bugfix even estimated.
I think HTC doesn't really care about the life of their phones once they sold them to us. I am also very unpleased to find out how useless those fast 1 Ghz processors are when paired with old battery tech. I am looking at HTC Wildfire and it's 30-50% better battery life with somewhat of an envy. The only company that seems to bother to do something with batteries today is Apple. I won't draw conclusions especially under affect.
I have a question to all ROM-familiar users who have gone 2.2, does JIT improve battery life (through making code run faster, maybe using less CPU resources)?
raynerape said:
It's me again, back to report my unsuccessful phone experience today
Well, apparently factory reset and trimming down the number of apps I use did nothing to prolong my phone's life. 10:00 to 18:00, it was down to 28% and losing 1% every 10 minutes, worse when screen is on. Basically, what I figured out is that it's not some rogue app installed on my device that has been triggering this bad lifespan. I also purchased SeePU++ and was really dishearted to see 60-70% CPU when the Calendar Sync process works, and it works almost constantly no matter I've set 2-4 hours frequency to Facebook and Twitter, and I'm using Exchange for Calendars where it has two frequencies set to 2 and 4 hours peak/offpeak times.
Listening to Music isn't good as well. Using DoubleTwist android app, phone remains warm while listening. Not good. Is the phone completely awake while listening to music even if the screen is off?
I've made the following changes for tomorrow, and I'll report again:
* I turned off Wireless Network Location. Not sure whether I'd live well without it, apparently my Latitude will suffer greatly and Tasker won't be able to use its Location triggers (GPS Fix triggers kill the battery in less than 2 hours), so will other apps that use rough estimation, especially if indoors.
* I revised my UnlimitedJuice. My current profile is:
** Timeout: N/A
** Schedule: Keep APN/WIFI disabled (I removed timed schedules as I suspect it kept my device from prolonged sleep)
** Night: Keep APN/WiFi disabled 0-7am (Use it just for the silent mode, otherwise it's probably charging)
** Traffic: N/A (I used to use Traffic to keep connections alive, but decided not to due to prolonged Calendar sync)
** Peak: N/A (obviously!)
** Charger: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while charging (obviously!)
** Screen: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while screen unlocked (obviously, again!)
If anyone is familiar with UltimateJuice, please let me know whether this sounds okay?
I think a culpit was the Schedule setting, as it must have kept my device constantly out of sleep to check my email. Not that I don't want that but until I stick a Mugen 3200 MAh battery in this device, I am wary against it not sleeping well. I also turned off Traffic as Calendar Sync has the stupid tendency to restart itself despite it is not expected to based on user-set frequency. No idea how to control this, no bugfix even estimated.
I think HTC doesn't really care about the life of their phones once they sold them to us. I am also very unpleased to find out how useless those fast 1 Ghz processors are when paired with old battery tech. I am looking at HTC Wildfire and it's 30-50% better battery life with somewhat of an envy. The only company that seems to bother to do something with batteries today is Apple. I won't draw conclusions especially under affect.
I have a question to all ROM-familiar users who have gone 2.2, does JIT improve battery life (through making code run faster, maybe using less CPU resources)?
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2.2 ROMs on my Desire make my battery last even less. I lost 1% every 5 mins on any 2.2 ROM.
I get the syncing going on every time I switch screen on. no matter what I have set in the settings. I got 20% overnight between midnite and 9am while Juice Defender was on night mode.
This is very discouraging, Nekromantik. Seems like I shouldn't be as excited about the upcoming August 2.2 update, now. I don't trust HTC to resolve this problem given how every single new device is plagued (Desire/Incredible/EVO) and they do nothing about it.
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This is very discouraging, Nekromantik. Seems like I shouldn't be as excited about the upcoming August 2.2 update, now. I don't trust HTC to resolve this problem given how every single new device is plagued (Desire/Incredible/EVO) and they do nothing about it.
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yeah this has made me loose faith in HTC.
Battery life should be a big factor in smartphones. I should at least expect it to last 24 hours without a charge. Which is good enough for smartphones.
Just gotta add that even though my battery life is not that good, it does show that the phone does sleep as atm in the about menu it shows that the phone been on for 3 hours and been awake for 1 hour 30 mins. Which means it is sleeping but why am I still getting bad battery life all of a sudden after reflashing from Froyo ROM? I did a full wipe including a sd card wipe before I flashed Pays ROM back on. Makes no sense to me.
I'm having a very similar problem with battery life. Android System prevents my phone from going to complete sleep but strange enough - only during night when my phone is in airplane mode.
So I decided to switch off Automatic Network Time. This helped for one night and yesterday the problem reappeared again :-(
So last night I turned off location as well services and again it seems OK for now.
During the day my battery life is OK. I guess I could keep the phone turned on during night as well (as a bypass) but this is not how a smartphone of 21st century should work.
This is a mid-day report but I think I might have finally figured it out. And it's the most ironic solution ever!
I pulled the phone off the charger in 10:00, by 11:00 I was already at 88-86% and rapidly decreasing with only minor phone call activity. Then I turned off JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice and kept using the phone for contact list adding, single profile photo shot with camera, many long calls. Now it is 14:35 and my battery is at 69% - incredibly resistant compared to what I've had by that hour with less phone activity. Also, my phone seems to sleep much longer and more often than before when I used UltimateJuice.
It appears to me now that the reason the phone has been dying on me is JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice. Apparently the latest versions destroy the battery rather than save it!! I told you it's an ironic...
I will be reporting by 19:00 with the phone's actual lifespan over the course of the day but looks like I'll have a winner today.
raynerape said:
This is a mid-day report but I think I might have finally figured it out. And it's the most ironic solution ever!
I pulled the phone off the charger in 10:00, by 11:00 I was already at 88-86% and rapidly decreasing with only minor phone call activity. Then I turned off JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice and kept using the phone for contact list adding, single profile photo shot with camera, many long calls. Now it is 14:35 and my battery is at 69% - incredibly resistant compared to what I've had by that hour with less phone activity. Also, my phone seems to sleep much longer and more often than before when I used UltimateJuice.
It appears to me now that the reason the phone has been dying on me is JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice. Apparently the latest versions destroy the battery rather than save it!! I told you it's an ironic...
I will be reporting by 19:00 with the phone's actual lifespan over the course of the day but looks like I'll have a winner today.
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interesting.
I swear juice defender helped me during the night but I could always switch apn off during sleep. I lost 12% overnight but once I was awake I lost 6% in 45 mins while it was on standby.
It is 21:10 as I type and my battery shows 24% after moderate use day. My phone sleeps more (2 hours use for 11 hours day cycle) and it loses around 1-2% per hour when asleep.
The culpit is definitely UltimateJuice and I am at complete loss how an app meant to save battery can destroy battery.
Also, I noticed that waking my phone when UltimateJuice is not running does not trigger an annoying Calendar Sync (Sync All icon remains non-animated).
I decided to switch off mobile internet and only switch it back on when I wanted to surf/lurk on here/check mail etc. Uninstalled juicedefender but kept plotter. The amount of difference doing those things has been exponential. Before, my battery was dead in about 8 hours use. now it will last 17+. Even use it for music which I wouldn't risk when internet was always on.
For me it is the Location services and Network time that need to be switched off.
As I said I only get battery problems during night in airplane mode so I tested several settings and it seems that both Network time and Location services need to be switched off so they stop trying to update themselves.
Although I would imagine that once you switch your GSM module off that should be enough to also stop Network time and Location... Apparently my assumptions are dead wrong
I think its time to start a worldwide petition to HTC if they please could fix the problems with the battery. I cannot use my phone to call when I am not near a power source. After 15 hours the battery is down to 20% ..its so frustrating.
HTC know there are problems (perhaps the read some forums) and dont do anything about it. Thats not customer friendly.
I think Apple is more serious on that point and investigates every single way to save battery life.
Whats the use of a phone (mine is pretty basic with no specials programs on it) that could not last 1 day?
I think buyers must give a signal to HTC to take these sort of problems serious.
I have a strange issue with my 32G WiFi FLO that I was hoping the knowledgeable members of XDA could help me diagnose.
Since I got it at launch, it's been sucking the battery dry. But not consistently. I have no idea what or why, but here's what I know so far:
All details are with auto sync OFF. WiFi OFF on sleep, location services ON (but cannot use WiFi)
Not unlocked or rooted (stock)
- From boot, and for the first 20-40 hours after that, battery usage on standby averages out to around 0.13% per hour.
- After that, and for no reason I can discern, battery usage jumps to an average of 0.84% per hour, and keeps draining like this usually until I reboot or need to charge
- Stock battery app shows no apps draining, BBS shows no apps draining stuff or excessive wakelocks and indicates the tablet is spending most of its time in deep sleep.
- Life with screen usage seems to be around 7+ hours either way, so this is as expected.
- Sent to ASUS to diagnose & repair, received with note that front camera unit replaced and OS reloaded.
- Issue is still occurring after "repair"
- apps running at the time are usually Android Keyboard, Android Services, Settings. Sometimes Play Store, Currents (even though I don't use it and have never launched it), Google Play Services as well. These are the only apps that run regardless of state of battery drain.
Can anyone think of any reason this is occurring, or where else I can go to check for more info? I'd prefer to stay stock/unrooted.
I'm looking to send it back for RMA *again*, but I'd rather tell them where to look than try and trust that they'll know where to look to fix it this time.
Guess no-one else has this issue or any ideas on where to look for this, since there are no replies
Hi i was using moto 360 and had a predty good battery life.But from today morning to went from 100 percent to 20 in one hour with no use .In battery stats it shows an unammed app with the defualt icon on android app a green android.Has anyone else experienced something like this and what can i do
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Hi i was using moto 360 and had a predty good battery life.But from today morning to went from 100 percent to 20 in one hour with no use .In battery stats it shows an unammed app with the defualt icon on android app a green android.Has anyone else experienced something like this and what can i do
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Is your phone rooted? No, it's not the reason, but it may help.
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Hi thanks for the answer yes my phone is rooted
Cannot in any way connect the root status of the phone (?) to excessive drain on the watch.
First day of using it (got it yesterday) I got about 6 hours out of my watch. I went through playing with everything yesterday already, so not that much action today, only the regular Gmail and Hangouts notifications. Top consumer, as per the OP an unnamed app. I would have expected more from my watch, to be honest. Ideas?
Oh, and got the update notification for 5.0.2 directly after turning it on and pairing, so I'm on 5.0.2 already.
Same here
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Cannot in any way connect the root status of the phone (?) to excessive drain on the watch.
First day of using it (got it yesterday) I got about 6 hours out of my watch. I went through playing with everything yesterday already, so not that much action today, only the regular Gmail and Hangouts notifications. Top consumer, as per the OP an unnamed app. I would have expected more from my watch, to be honest. Ideas?
Oh, and got the update notification for 5.0.2 directly after turning it on and pairing, so I'm on 5.0.2 already.
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Hi, i got the same issue since i updated to 5.0.2. I used to get a full heavy use day and still remain 30%40% at the end of the day, after the update i only get 11-12 hours of use. Any help will be highly appreciated.
Note: My phone is also rooted.
I'm not fully through testing/verifying the following, but I made an obervation.
I used the watch the other day and got about 18+ hours out of it. Dont know exactly, just put it on the charger and was happy still having juice left.
The following day, all was going well up until to that moment I started using a timer app on my phone, which counted down at 5 minute intervals and showed a live updating notification doing so. I didnt pay attention to the watch, as the timer is phone only, but as I checked the watch at some point for something different, I noticed the battery dropped significantly since I last checked. Upon checking the battery stats, I found that the charge started dropping at about the moment I started continuously timering.
I take from this, that when using tools which interact with or update your phones notification drawer, the watch will get somehow polled as well. But I am still investigating.
In case you wonder: its an ingress portal hack countdown timer.
Question about settings?
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I'm not fully through testing/verifying the following, but I made an obervation.
I used the watch the other day and got about 18+ hours out of it. Dont know exactly, just put it on the charger and was happy still having juice left.
The following day, all was going well up until to that moment I started using a timer app on my phone, which counted down at 5 minute intervals and showed a live updating notification doing so. I didnt pay attention to the watch, as the timer is phone only, but as I checked the watch at some point for something different, I noticed the battery dropped significantly since I last checked. Upon checking the battery stats, I found that the charge started dropping at about the moment I started continuously timering.
I take from this, that when using tools which interact with or update your phones notification drawer, the watch will get somehow polled as well. But I am still investigating.
In case you wonder: its an ingress portal hack countdown timer.
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Do you by chance have your dev options enabled on your device that your Moto 360 is connected to? If so, I did a test on my device to see if that was a battery hog on my Moto 360 and turns out it seems to be. Un-named app (android icon) showing the most usage but the graph I have shows upon Dev options enabled, battery began to plummet badly. Just an observation. I perform testing on mobile and wearable as part of my job but I didn't have a way to analyze any logs for this wearable (moto 360). I don't have Moto's log analysis tool.
I do have dev options enabled. But as the watch is now generally behaving well, I don't think it's connected but happened to you by accident. This is only a guess though.
To be honest, I'm on xda with a couple of posts made already, of course I have dev options enabled :laugh: I use plenty of tools day in day out which need dev options. I also on a regular basis manipulate my device via adb, so dev options really is a must.
Anyway, I will observe this some more and get back to this thread in case I find any new developments.
I found it very hard to find information from people who actually have the update in other threads because it is mixed with information on how to actually obtain and install the update.
So what are your impressions of tge 5.1.1 update ? Please only post if you have the update installed and running for at least few hours.
My impressions:
- Battery life is worse, like 30% worse with Wi-Fi detection on, even if mostly using Bluetooth.
- Still can't edit the canned response list Emoji drawing is a bad joke.
- I can't dismiss notifications with flick gestures (only hide them)
- Very smooth and responsive UI overall
- No annoying "Ok Google" text on watch face until you say "ok Google" 5 times
Battery life for me for 5 times better.... One thing, this enables 'always on' apps... I would check some of your apps and see what battery consumption is. I've been in my watch since about 10am and I have 53% left right now. Way better than anything I have ever gotten. This is with wifi on.
It's pretty fantastic for me. I have no complaints. The processor is old, but I'm very impressed with how optimized they've made it. The lag just doesn't interrupt my work flow, unlike with the Apple Watch at least. There's no major delay. Will likely be buying V2 or V3 depending on how I feel the life cycle for these devices will be.
Updated yesterday. I feel like the battery lasts less, but you have to give it 2-3 days to settle down. Liking the new features, but I don't think I'm gonna use Wi-Fi too much since it drains battery.
For now, I'm keeping WiFi, gestures, and ambient mode off. This way within a week I'll have a true comparison of battery life. Then I'm going to test each function and how it effects battery. I'll let everyone know how it goes.
Have the update one day now,
Good points:
-Smootness
-less buggy
-wifi when out of range
-wrist flick(great idea)
-Google maps maps
Bad points:
-Wrist flick is hard to perform correct (think it is a learning curve)
-When wifi is active on whatch and is connected but phone isn't connected to internet it still says it is connected.
-Laggier in first minutes after boot
-Lock screen sometimes activates when on wrist.
Overall i'am happy. Batterylife is to early to judge
I got the update yesterday after resetting my device. The first thing that I have noticed is that I can no longer dismiss notifications that only take up the bottom part of the screen. I have to pull the notification up and can then dismiss it. If this is what the developers intended, then that it is a major step backwards.
Also where do I setup which apps should stay "always on"?
Battery life after the update is disasterous, about 6% per hour but I need to give it a few days to sort itself out.
The dismissing of notifications is very much hit and miss and is impracticable.
At the moment I am not impressed with the update. Hopefully things will sort themselves out over the next few days.
For me, the update has been surprisingly good.
Good:
- Battery life (which I must admit, was my primary concern) is as good as it was prior to the update, even with the watch connected to WiFi.
- I love the flicking gestures, they work exactly as I imagined they would, although they're not as smart as they should (you can swipe available cards up and down, but when a card has multiple sub-cards, you can't scroll between them).
- Performance is great, specially considering it's a device with 512MB RAM, UI is still responsive enough and with very little lag.
- I love the new contact screen, it saves me a lot of time for quick calls when I can't remember the contact name (I normally use Google Now to call someone).
Bad:
- For the life of me, I haven't figured out how to enable always-on apps. It's one of the features I've been waiting for so eagerly, specially for Google Keep's checked notes (which I use A LOT).
- The WiFi connection is USELESS if you leave your phone home and find a protected WiFi network, because you NEED the phone to input the password. It kinda defeats the whole purpose.
One thing I noticed after the update is all of my hangouts threads became unmerged. Now each person has SMS/Hangouts as seperate threads. My one buddy experienced the same issue when his watch updated. Not sure why the software update would cause that, but it's upsetting.
Overall, I'm really liking the update. The only thing that's really bugging me is that you can't seem to dismiss notifications unless they're open. I'm used to being able to dismiss them immediately if I can get all the information I need from their title. Now, I actually have to swipe up first to open them, and only then can I dismiss them. It's not so bad that I can't live with it, but it is annoying.
The update has exceeded my expectations so far. I have only had it installed for about 12 hours. Battery life seems better. Worst case I don't think it has gotten any worse which was a huge concern because it hasn't been so wonderful. It seems to give more feedback and explanations so I'm not guessing as much. For example when I added a playlist it informed me that the battery needed more charge to download to the watch. Prior to the update I would have been scratching my head all day and then it would magically download when I charged up at night.
I really hope the WiFi works as advertised. I can think of many ways it could be useful to me. It seems like there are lots of times when I want notifications in case of an emergency because I'm a single dad but I also don't want to carry the phone with me.
My biggest annoyance with update is that now I have to open cards before they can be swiped away. Most times I can tell what a card is telling me and used to swipe them away without opening them.
Seems more responsive.
As others have said, removal of swiping / dismissing the previews was not a good call.
Not entirely sure, but looks like I won't be able to connect to my work WiFi which uses certificate based EAP-TLS authentication ? Will see when I'm back in the office next week.
Sent from my Lollipop TF700T
Do the other watches have the same issue (yeah, I'm calling it an issue instead of a feature) with the notification swiping? Or maybe this is something Motorola did thinking they were compensating somehow for the flat tire? Regardless, I hope there's an update to fix it, it just annoys the piss out of me every time.
My first day battery report.
Off charger at 9am, end of the day (11pm) 67%. This is with WiFi and ambient mode off so I can have a direct comparison to prior then update. But to me that is a huge improvement.
Has anybody figured out how to enable the App Always On feature?
I've updated my watch yesterday and wanted to let my watch get to 0% to calibrate the battery because of the new update. so I didn't put my watch off at night, and the next morging (today) my watch was 10% and the screen was totally black and it wasn't responding to the side button so I tried to hold it for 30 seconds to let it restart I saw the normal bootupscren but as soon it was staring the app it became black again. I now have let it charge to 100% and it it's responding perfectly again. Does anyone know what was wrong?
Thanks for your time!
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I've updated my watch yesterday and wanted to let my watch get to 0% to calibrate the battery because of the new update. so I didn't put my watch off at night, and the next morging (today) my watch was 10% and the screen was totally black and it wasn't responding to the side button so I tried to hold it for 30 seconds to let it restart I saw the normal bootupscren but as soon it was staring the app it became black again. I now have let it charge to 100% and it it's responding perfectly again. Does anyone know what was wrong?
Thanks for your time!
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I noticed the same behavior when mine was at 2%. It did not respond to screen touches and only switched on for about half a second after clicking the side button several (5 or more) times. It still took about 30 minutes for the watch to finally shut down. Maybe this is because of a very aggressive battery saving mode?
I must add that I did reset the watch after the 5.1.1 update was fully installed and wanted the battery to drain completely for the same reason you did: to recalibrate it.
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Has anybody figured out how to enable the App Always On feature?
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I'm thinking it may only be an AMOLED feature.
Mine had the same issue at 10%. I wonder if this is related to the performance issue Motorola was talking about.
I don't know if I am happy or sad that this is widespread. Hopefully they patch this up.
Hi All
Disclaimer: I'm new to the forum so apologies if this is in the wrong discussion area etc!
I got my Galaxy S9 on Friday 9th, prior to that I had an LG G5 which is now gone. In the last few months of using my LG G5 the battery life was questionable - the phone would get hot (sometimes without even using it a lot) and the battery would drain by 30% an hour. I noticed, but didn't test fully, that Google Play Music seemed to really cane the battery and phone - i.e. was getting hot and draining quickly. As an example, I'd leave home at 7am taking it off charge at the last minute (100%) and get to my office at 9am and it'll be at 50% and very warm. Prior to that (can't exactly pinpoint when the drain started to really kick in) it would only drop to 85% - much more acceptable.
The G5 has a replaceable battery - 2800 if I recall . So I threw down £50 on an official LG site for a new slab of Lithium - slight improvement, but still terrible and warm. 55% instead of 50%.
"Right - time for a new phone" as I assumed that 2 years of app updates meant the CPU was lagging. Bagged a Galaxy S9 - today was my first commute into the office. Started on 100%, arrived at 55% with a 3000 battery! And it got super warm like the G5.
Most of that time I used Google Play Music, which according to AccuBattery the discharge speed was "33% per hour". Second was Google Chrome at 30% per hour (though I didn't use it much at all on the journey).
My question is - what logs can I check, or apps I can use, or something to find out what's going on? I need to test a few things of course to pinpoint the issue. If it helps - I restored from my G5 when I setup my S9.
seems like you might have have some options enabled in Google Play Music / chrome - that is keeping the phone awake
generally when you switch phones they apps and their settings get transferred automatically now - worth maybe uninstalling them for a day and see if you're still experiencing this issue
other than that it could be that your commute involves travelling thru areas of no signal where the phone keeps trying to find a signal - that can drain battery a lot
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seems like you might have have some options enabled in Google Play Music / chrome - that is keeping the phone awake
generally when you switch phones they apps and their settings get transferred automatically now - worth maybe uninstalling them for a day and see if you're still experiencing this issue
other than that it could be that your commute involves travelling thru areas of no signal where the phone keeps trying to find a signal - that can drain battery a lot
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Thanks - I'll try that next time. Might also try a factory reset but not restore from the LG G5 backup to see what happens then.
how bright is your display? do you leave it on all your commute?
Got your wifi enabled which hunts for a signal even though you aren't using wifi? try turning it off. Same with location setting.
And how strong a signal do you have on your commute. Streaming lots of data on a really weak signal will kill battery, too.
Go into settings and see whats draining your battery.
Battery Drain Issue of S9 - Resolved
:laugh:Hi All,
I could resolve the Battery drain issue but not touching any other setting of the new phone by just disabling the backend data usage of all application expect few like Edge screen, Gmail, Flipboard etc... Now the android system power usage is back to 4-5%. Previously it was 21%-25%. So issue resolved. Need to find out the way to inform this to Samsung so they can identify which app is consuming full battery power.
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:laugh:Hi All,
I could resolve the Battery drain issue but not touching any other setting of the new phone by just disabling the backend data usage of all application expect few like Edge screen, Gmail, Flipboard etc... Now the android system power usage is back to 4-5%. Previously it was 21%-25%. So issue resolved. Need to find out the way to inform this to Samsung so they can identify which app is consuming full battery power.
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Hi, i'm facing ridiculous drains too and factory resetting hasn't seemed to help. I'm trying your resolution, but I don't entirely understand you. Could you kindly guide step by step? also, if you mean going to optimise battery usage, when i go there and select the 'apps not optimized' all the apps there are greyed out therefore not allowing me to select them.