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It would be great building a rom based on the Benchmarks of the roms wich you can find here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
The Chefs need to work together and exchange what they did in specific to get good scores in the sectors they lead and have best results.
I would exchange my knowledge. Please join this Project and lets make a fantastic rom.
What do you think about this ?
I think about a meeting on a chat with only developrs and we exchange our thoughts and knowledge.
Do you think it'd be that simple for everyone to agree upon which tweaks to enable, which ones leave out, as well as applications?
Some of them are standard procedure, but the rest depends on each different chef.
The first question would be: a light ROM, or a full-feature packed, at the cost of performance?
For my part, I usually cripple most of my ROMs to the mininum, adding afterwards only the apps I need.
Registry tweaking also is quite aggressive.
I don't like all the bloat in most of the ROMs, but that's what most users are looking for.
As for eye candy, I never integrate it at the cost of performance.
So the question would be: what do CHEFS want VS what do USERS want.
If you want to take this to the next level, you'll have to set a date for the meeting.
I'd recommend IRC, since not many ppl use jabber. MSN sucks, so...
adwinp said:
Do you think it'd be that simple for everyone to agree upon which tweaks to enable, which ones leave out, as well as applications?
Some of them are standard procedure, but the rest depends on each different chef.
The first question would be: a light ROM, or a full-feature packed, at the cost of performance?
For my part, I usually cripple most of my ROMs to the mininum, adding afterwards only the apps I need.
Registry tweaking also is quite aggressive.
I don't like all the bloat in most of the ROMs, but that's what most users are looking for.
As for eye candy, I never integrate it at the cost of performance.
So the question would be: what do CHEFS want VS what do USERS want.
If you want to take this to the next level, you'll have to set a date for the meeting.
I'd recommend IRC, since not many ppl use jabber. MSN sucks, so...
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Well, I do think research will lead to a certain extra insight.
For example: I tested the recent Swtos ROMs: they are (real) fast, all three of them.
Why? Is it because he left something out, did he combine things, did he add something? (please tell us Swtos...)
The problem with this kind of collaboration is that cooks have to share their work. And their time...
Well, most experienced chefs have pretty established routines for performance gains.
Here's a quick MUST DO checklist for a good ROM:
1: remove bloat
2: tweak registry (services, caches, etc...)
3: DSM grouping
4: G'Reloc
5: Pagepool
Anybody with a little advanced knowledge of the windows internals can handle the first 2 tasks.
adwinp said:
Well, most experienced chefs have pretty established routines for performance gains.
Here's a quick MUST DO checklist for a good ROM:
1: remove bloat
2: tweak registry (services, caches, etc...)
3: DSM grouping
4: G'Reloc
5: Pagepool
Anybody with a little advanced knowledge of the windows internals can handle the first 2 tasks.
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Doesn't that "lock" your ROM and come in contradiction with most thoughts exposed in the locked ROM thread?
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Doesn't that "lock" your ROM and come in contradiction with most thoughts exposed in the locked ROM thread?
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Yes it does, then again, it's not a compulsory step.
Every chef has his own preferences.
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Doesn't that "lock" your ROM and come in contradiction with most thoughts exposed in the locked ROM thread?
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May better to publish "Tree" of project (OEM,SYS,etc)?
Nothing new - look to opensource
But who will moderate it?
It is the big work, I think.
There are many tutorials, documents and even video presentations on the forum. Kitchens may differ according to device but the basic principles are the same. Search for them and do lots of research!
tnyynt said:
There are many tutorials, documents and even video presentations on the forum. Kitchens may differ according to device but the basic principles are the same. Search for them and do lots of research!
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I guess they are not asking about how to cook a ROM... but they try to invite people (especially ROM chefs) to collaborate... and sharing how is the best way to cook a good ROM...
This is a short summary of some important general points for posting new ROM's.
It should be considered as an optional "add-on" to the general thread:
"Galaxy S I9000 Android Development **STICKY THREAD** Read here first!"
The number of man hours spent working and developing new custom ROMs are astronomical! So why then, is it that so few new ROMs are successful? Basically because of lack of information and poor public visibility/involvement of the developers themselves. It's just like in any other successful business, you have to make your product or service stand out from the rest. Either by making an amazing product or by being a great inspiration for others to follow. Here I will try to explain and list some fundamental ideas, in order to make your ROM better and more popular.
When a would be ROM flasher is looking around for a new ROM, he searches the web and the XDA-forums for threads, usually beginning with the text "[ROM]". Next he/she look at the FIRST page where the developer (and his/her team) is presenting the various features of their new design. What is presented there will often be a decision maker for whether or not someone wants to try it out.
There are a few things that consistently differs between "good" ROMs and "bad/poor" ROM's. These things are often and naturally related to the amount of information available around the ROM in question. Someone who have put down enough mind, sweat and hart into the production (cooking) of a ROM, would also like to share his/her effort in the best possible way, not minding writing a detailed and useful description about their product. The items found below are part of some of these things that do MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
- Primary Purpose:
Essentially a description why you want to provide this ROM and why you think it is needed. What are the main features and driving forces for providing this ROM?
- Ultimate Gaming Experience
- Super stability
- Super Compatibility
- Great Battery Duration
- Minimalistic User Interface (UI)
- Simple to use functionality
- Latest and coolest never seen before interface behavior
- Fully loaded with ultimate editions of absolutely everything
- Mobile Penetration Testing Platform
- or perhaps just for educational or experimental purposes etc...
- Up-to-date Maintenance:
That means an active developer (or group of) who are readily available to answer questions from users of all levels, new or advanced! Often that they should be inhumanly available at all times of the day & night!
- Up-to-date Firmware Release:
That means the the source of your ROM is preferably based on the latest, but publicly available code/firmware. Not on some hidden leaks or old hacked code. When I say "hidden leaks" here, I mean the kind where the origin of the code (compiled or not) cannot be verified or downloaded. (BMW doesn't make car/sales advertisements using 2 year old engines from unknown/secret sources!)
- Detailed CHANGE-LOG:
People want to know that what they flash on their phones, is as close as possible to what they would like to see and use. Also from a paranoia perspective most of us would like to know that it doesn't contain 3rd party or other strange applications that we will never use, or which will give us trouble when we want to add/update applications, at a later time. A description of the various applications is also very useful. Most people would wonder what the "DarkBotSendHelper.apk" is doing on a phone.
A change-log would ideally consist of a list with:
- Title: Change Date and the custom ROM Version the changes apply to
- Full application name
- Full application version
- Short application description
- Link to application source-code, if available
- Link to application on "Android Market"
- Reference to what hacks has been made, if any
- Reason for why the hack is needed
- Unresolved BUG-LOG:
A brief log of bugs and unresolved issues that affects the current release. It is hard to explain without cussing how annoying it is to flash a new ROM, just to find out that some WiFi issue has not yet been resolved, which was posted on page 456/1200! If people post bugs/issues, that cannot be immediately resolved, please add those issues to the BUG-LOG, on the front page.
- Screen Shots! Updated Screen Shots!
The importance of good screen shots can never be enough emphasized! Many ROMs are updated continuously and if the screen-shots doesn't match what the user installs, he's gonna go WTF!, and will start to peppering your support threads with questions about how to install this and that, and how to get the same themes you are using in those screenshots, or from another different ROM altogether! You wouldn't be able to sell a new BMW with a picture of an old Volvo, would you? So why do you think a ROM would be any different? Also include a brief caption about the essential feature(s) shown, for each picture.
- Detailed Installation Instructions
This hardly need more explanation apart for making sure you also say something about:
- WIPE/No-WIPE
- Bootloader Requirements
- Recommended Procedure
- Detailed Device Compatibility List
Yes, the same gross model name/number of a particular device, may very well have some minor variations that can render the device completely incompatible with software from it's apparent twin-brother. Or even certain Firmwares may not be compatible to slight manufacturing variation. See for example the "Samsung Galaxy S" with their sub-models GT-I9000(B/M/T), and to complicate things further, even within the same model there may be slight differences, like in the PCB of the USB-port of the SGS2 GT-I9100.
- Detailed Language Compatibility
What do people use their phones for? Communication! Sure, some use them as a game pad, but after all it is primarily a browsing and communication device. So if you can't use your primary languages with your device, it is useless! Although some network operators are only beginning to understand that most of the connected world is at least bi-lingual and often much more. Thus it is of essence that your phone's keyboard, screen-reader and web-browser can read, display and understand most characters and alphabets around. (I.e. I still fail to understand why it is virtually impossible to find a phone with Russian, English, Spanish and Norwegian keyboard layouts/character sets or at least let me select these my self!) In addition it is very confusing for a first-time ROM flasher to understand the need for all the various PDA/PHONE and CSC region settings, which are often modified and re-packaged for a well cooked ROM, and thus no longer adhere to the original regional code.
So when you cook your ROM, please provide as much information as possible regarding how the user can adapt their phone to his/her own languages. This information includes at least:
- What languages are available for basic operation (the operating system)
- What languages are available for the keyboard mappings
- What keyboard applications can use these languages (Swype, Samsung Keyboard etc.)
- Simple instructions how to include, use and set the phone languages
- List of Technical Terms and Definitions that describe the ROM
The world of mobile device development is packed by technical jargon and abbreviated terms. Many times they are also abbreviated and used in the wrong context, although some the community know what it means. Simplify your vocabulary and clearly define your terms and stay with community standard ones!
- General Presentation
Like any other business presentation, please skip the HUGE fonts in a zillion colors. Most of us are neither blind nor illiterate, but you may risk to come across as being both, with those type of fonts. Remember "KISS"? - Keep It Simple Stupid.
- SPELL CHECK!!
It's embarrassing and very annoying to read descriptions of how great, professional and how well maintained a particular ROM is, when the text is riddled with misspellings, wrong words and childish grammatical errors. Although most of us are very understanding that we are living in a multicultural and multilingual society, sometimes all I think about is, how a person who doesn't know how to spell check, could ever be able to cook a mobile phone ROM. Most text editors feature at least some basic spell checking, bloody hell, USE IT!
- CREDITS
Most of the Android development community is completely driven by voluntary and open source work. Make sure to include the correct credits to those persons who have contributed to the various info/hacks/software that you include in your ROM. Use a separate list for the credits, that include the name (handle) and how/what he/she did to contribute.
2 Good Examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1350763
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155776
Final Words:
It is very likely I have missed something here, or that you (as a developer or moderator) disagree on something I have written here, if so, please provide your constructive comments how I can improve this list and post.
In Great Expectations and Hope for Many New Amazing ROMs!
- E:V:A -
PS. This was posted in the "Developer Section" as it applies only to new ROM development threads, and I wouldn't consider this neither as "Q/A" nor "General". But if OP/MOD know of a better suited place, please just move it there...
Also I am not aware of a similar post to this one, even after searching XDA quite a lot. So if it already exists, it is not easy to find and should be reposted or stickied!
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@E:V:A
The only thing that I missed so far is a thread like yours.
Agree on all requirements of released software.
Sometimes I wonder how some "devs" priorities are stacked regarding quality control vs. early delivery on pay-per-download sites.
Not sure what is best place for this thread. Counting # of posts in General asking Q already answered in stickies, it's kind of accepted to skip reading what's there. :-\
Perhaps keep it alive as hottest thread here?
Tapatalked - There's a Thanks button somewhere
I like this
One thing you must add while promoting your ROM.. That is CREDITS.
Rahulrulez said:
I like this
One thing you must add while promoting your ROM.. That is CREDITS.
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YES! Not giving credit where due is horrible, basically just forgetting all the hard work another individual has put in to the "feature" of your ROM. Also, this should probably be in general.
Request 1: Add HTML Tidy to the xda wiki stack
Template:Navbox @ Wikipedia said:
Using this template on other wikis requires HTML Tidy to be turned on. A version that does not require Tidy can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Transwiki/Template:Navbox. (That version generally shouldn't be used here on the English Wikipedia.) More detailed information on copying {{Navbox}} to other wikis can be found on the talk page.
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I've been doing a LOT of work adding stuff to the xda wiki, but I've hit an impasse, some of the most complex templates used on Wikipedia depend on it being 'scripted' with HTML instead of pure wikimarkup.
The main example is Template:Navbox. While this specific template does have a pupre wikimarkup equivilent (if it even is an equivilent, it's not maintained at the level of the normal one). The other templates I wish to use dont have equivilents.
Template:Navbox subgroup is the one (among others) that I wish to add in but cant because it depends on HTML Tidy. The Template itself is already on the xda wiki, but if you attempt to use it it's completely broken.
I cant say it's as simple as "install on server and turn it on" but the fact of the matter is that without it most of the fun/magic stuff on wikipedia cant be brought over to the xda wiki.
Some examples of recent stuff i've made (for reference):
Samsung Galaxy S Series Navbox
Samsung Galaxy S II Series Navbox
New Samsung Portal on Main page
Entirety of Dell devices page
If you look at the several navboxes I've made they have hacks in the code to get around the fact that I'm just a normal level editor.
Request 2: We need MOAR editors!
Also this doubles as a request for more editors on the wiki: XDA is the largest android development based site on the internet, yet here we are weeks after the release of the Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note and the pages didnt even exist until I made stubs for them.
As of this past quarter I've generated more edits then possibly nearly every other user combined, but there's only so much I can do at this point by my self. (With my primary style being to organize page layouts and tidying stuff up vs writing new content for devices)
[Edit count itself is a bad metric, but edits that arnt mine only number in the dozens a month]
Sure it's reasonable for minor devices and varients to be stubs, but the Note has sold over a million units and yet not a single person has even bothered to make as much as a scribble on the wiki about the device. That's just an example, but ultimately if this were wikipedia, the amount of pages rated 'good' or higher would only number in the dozens. (There's also the fact that my belief is that it's a bad idea to add anything intensive for a device you dont own, standard fare on one device can super-brick another due to quirks)
It's a rather sad state of affairs that for such a large web site with 22000 active users at any one time that there's not a single good consistant repeat editor besides me.
Edit: changed wording to not be inflammatory
Request 3: Turn on Subpages on the main namespace
Mediawiki:Subpages are by default enabled on the template and user namespaces, but not on the main namespace. I believe it's done this way because of editor policy and not technical reasons.
The xda wiki would HEAVILY benefit from having it enabled since it already currently manually uses them, the previous example of:
Samsung <Series>/<model number>/article has long existed this way but without the automatically generated anchors.
The majority of pages are already ready to accept it, it might simply need to be turned on.
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TheManii said:
there's not a single good editor besides me.
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IMHO that is a rather sweeping statement and is likely to put off anyone from editing the Wiki. I would dispute even your claim as a good editor would not make sweeping changes to categories without discussion on the pages involved. Should I just "undo" them?
XDA has a problem with repetitive questions leading to user dissatisfaction with overlong forums and the loss of good developers such as AdamG.
One solution may be to create a FAQ Wiki for any thread over a certain size (for example 1,000 posts) and automatically link to that thread at the top of every page and above the reply box.
Cheers
Tom
It is sweeping, but the fact is there arent many repeat editors, many devices havnt not seen edits in months because a great deal of the changes dones are a one-time batch job with a single theme.
I'm not at all saying that the other editors are bad, though yes that what the impression was (and perhaps I should have worded it better). I'm saying that few wish to stay with it for the long-haul.
There's few editors that consistantly return to add/update/expand artitles for their own devices or other devices. That's my main issue. I actively want to be proven wrong in this regard, I'm inviting other to prove me wrong. I myself am somewhat guilty of this myself, I primarly concentrate on the dell devices, but I've kept them very up to date for the previous year.
One example I have issue with is: Acer A500 -xda wiki the entire page are just forum links. I have no issue at all with the contents of the posts (just as much my opinion on them is irrelevent) but the fact they are just links and not part of the article. The fact it's not on the wiki means that other editors cannot make changes themselves, which rather defeats the point of the wiki, which leads to,
The other issue is, unless the OP is excellent at keeping the thread organizied, you often have to wade though the entire thread to keep up to date. With a thread with +200 posts even if you wanted to it's a huge effort to do that. Even in the most complex of topics, they can be broken down a couple bullet points and approx a paragraph each to elaborate. There's also 'bad' advise that doesnt get edited away on topics ('bad' as in it may simply be the case that it was the right thing at the moment but there was eventually a more 'correct' method discovered later and the original 'bad' one is still reposted for whatever reason)
I could copy the posts onto the wiki verbaitm, but you really should have the poster's permission, what if the poster isnt active? It would be a bad idea to paraphrase advise/guides without context, what if you remove an important small detail. The right way to be to frequent the device and get context, but that triples the amount of work to do so properly.
It's no secret that there's always users that refuse to read topics and simply skip straight to posting repeat questions. Short pages with clear instructions are much easier to recommend then having them read though dozens and dozens of posts (which they skipped as they posted without reading in the first place)
Discussions dont really work on a wiki, esp one without consistant-repeat (or even repeat) editors. There's a fair amount of edits for various devices, but there are obviously more devices then editors. Lets walk though it: I want to make an edit, do I post it on the topic's talk page? Short of doing so on wikipiedia proper on a popular change, you wont recieve much feedback.
Do you make a post on each of their device's forums? XDA has sub-forums for each device, but not really a sub-forum for the family itself (back to the SGS/SGS2, there's the main device's subforum and each varient's subforum but none for the entire family, i think) That means making dozens of posts to talk about each major change.
What if it's an old device such as the winmo devices? The HTC HD2 is the only one left on the active part of the xda forums, because it's obviously not just a winmo device now. You're going to have to wait a very long time as they naturally only get a couple posts a month now.
Just as much, unless a mod/admin states to the contrary, you can always assume Wikipedia:Be Bold is implied to apply. I honestly have no issue if my edits are reverted if they are constructive reverts, as that's how wikis work.
If anyone has a issue with the edits I make, you're welcome to discuss it with me and hopefully we'll find a middle road.
Also I've made a reply on User_talkaveShaw#Page Name & Categories (as a fun note: & is translated to _.26_ in links while / isnt, though mediawiki has no issue with either of them, though you cannot directly use & in page names while you can use /) You should read it if the critisim is directed towards me.
tl;dr prove me wrong, Be Bold, help make the wiki better
Edit: HTC_HD2 - NexusHD2 ICS CM9 FAQ is an excellent example of why things should be on the wiki as articles instead of just merely links to a thread. It's about 3 pages of topic points and contains the majority of the topic points instead of having to read 225 (currently) pages to get the same info. (Also, just as much if I inadvertently remove valid content, revert/add it back! That was not my intention, everyone makes mistakes. The xda wiki is pretty well off in that it has little/no intentional vanadalism, you can always assume an edit is in good faith, I dont recall more then 1-2 legitamitely bad edits in nearly a year)
I've asked someone to look at Request 1.
I'm not sure what can be done about Request 2, if people don't want to maintain it, we can't make then
Thanks!
I dont really expect req 2 to be fullfilled in any real manner. Just pointing it out.
Added request 3: enable subpages on main namespace
TheManii said:
Added request 3: enable subpages on main namespace
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Our server admin has told me this has been done.
Dave
I can confirm it's on now, all the subcatagorized pages seem to be working great now
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I can confirm it's on now, all the subcatagorized pages seem to be working great now
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Thanks
Dave
Hi everyone,
I have created completely new icon set for Windows phone to help developers build better looking apps.
You can find them on ..seems I cannot post links yet..
Disadvantages:
They are not for free.
Advantages
They were originally designed in a large-size format, which allowed me to pay extra attention to every rounded corner and half-pixel line.
If new WP chassis ever comes, the shape format helps you adjust the icons into any size in a matter of minutes.
Every icon is designed with a pixel perfect precision. They look even better than the ones from MS.
Lots of them come with more variations, so you can cover every function of your app.
What is your opinion?
Should I continue in creating WP icons for more specific areas?
Nice, I know this may sound odd but I had a heck of a time finding a good set of metro media icons that had play,pause,stop,ff,rew,skip back,skip forward, repeat, and shuffle.
Thanks Dbeattie. Some of them are in Microsoft SDKs folder ( C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SDKs\Windows Phone\v7.1\Icons ), but others (repeat, shuffle) I could design in next pack.
There ya go mate, linkage with clickage
And thanks
Nice, they look good from what I see. A few of them look really similar to icons already out there.
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Also for those interested, here are some more icons for your future use.
Welcome to XDA Ladicz. Please familiarize yourself with the forums rules before posting further.
Forum & Marketplace Rules
It will see limited usage if it's not free.
If you are going the not free route, then have some way to let developers buy them (with appropriate license). There's nothing worse than coming across a great set of icons that we can't use and with no way to legally use them. Just wasted effort.
Hi xHausx, Thank you for reminding rules. I have read them. But not all obviously..
My intention to help other developers do better looking apps (by creating high quality icon set and sell them to them), increase their sales, make users happy and help whole platform rise was blind.
I fully respect deleting my "link". If I will write more, it could easily end with flame war or my ban. So instead of wasting our time I will work on my first WP game. Hope you will see it on marketplace soon. Or maybe my first 10, 20, 50 helpful posts.
The important part starts at point 4
1. The inevitable rant:
- If it wasn´t for the Stylus I would go for the Ipad Air... Why? 16GB only - No 32 or 64 available for me - and no way to move 90% of Games and big to SD without root.
- graphics for example RealRacing3 - Graphics on Note 10.1 LTE 2014 very bad compared to ipad4 Don't get me wrong, compared with other games graphics rock... But compared to an Ipad4 they just suck.
Have both - and best comparison you get in the car selection menu. On the ipad4 I can read even the printing on the trucks in the back... on it's just a blurry paste.
- KNOX
2. Please DON´T bother to write here, if your post is plain stupid - sorry to be offensive - Android/This and other android related forums were once great, until it became big and for the masses - so it had to be dumbed down to a level where we are now with no end in sight
- If you dont know what I mean then dont post, you are one of them.
Examples:
-- Samsungs remote deactivation as theft protection sure won't be supported much longer, because dumb user support is costing carriers too much money.
-- 2 SD is not working as it should be because for dumb users it createt to much trouble so now we have the f*****g internal eMMC posing as EXTERNAL SD
-- permissions - soon we will have no way to change them and shut down spying features of - for example torchlight needing full internet access and contacts - thanks to dumb users
3. I know this is a dilemma - this forum should be for all users - old ones and newcommers - It helped me a lot to enjoy and use and get so sad to see the downfall
but soemwhere should be a line and this was crossed with a long time ago
-- All hopes are now with UBUNTU which should work on Note3 and Note 10.1 2014 - comming middle to end 2014
-- Hopes of what: Not being for dumb people
I have no clue about Linux/Ubuntu - same as I started with - but I learned/experimented/read - and I avoided stupid quesions and postings - looking at Linux / Ubuntu forums its still like heaven. Tons of stuff to read, forums are full intelligent questions and responses, because those people actually have an IQ above the average user now - who has to be able to register to a damn forum
4 :victory: What I actually wanted to know
Actually I have ignored now what I expect from others: read and inform more than a day before posting
But here we go:
- I want so swap external with internal SD (mostly for my games) have not found a to do this without root ( I know there isnt any )
+Is there a way without at least permanent root?
+How reliable are root-requiering options like: modyfying vold.fstab or Int2ext or others? - had sometimes trouble like dublicate files - folders - crashes after some time. Especially after reboots with those solutions on my Note 1
+What is the best root solution- maybe with hide root option (integrated or external)? so Samsung HUB (Video, Learning...) and mirroring stays usable?
But it has to work with an Internal - External SD swapping even if temporarily deactivated/hidden for the metioned Samsung stuff to work
+ Knox should / must be untouched
Flyer.michael said:
The important part starts at point 4
1. The inevitable rant:
- If it wasn´t for the Stylus I would go for the Ipad Air... Why? 16GB only - No 32 or 64 available for me - and no way to move 90% of Games and big to SD without root.
- Game graphics for example RealRacing3 - Graphics on Note 10.1 LTE 2014 very bad compared to ipad4 Don't get me wrong, compared with other games graphics rock... But compared to an Ipad4 they just suck.
Have both - and best comparison you get in the car selection menu. On the ipad4 I can read even the printing on the trucks in the back... on it's just a blurry paste.
- KNOX
2. Please bother to write here, if your post is plain stupid - sorry to be offensive - was once greate, until it became big and for the masses - so it had to be dumbed down to a level where we are now with no end in sight
- If you dont know what I mean then dont post, you are one of them.
Examples:
-- Samsungs remote deactivation as theft protection sure won't be supported much longer, because dumb user support is costing carriers too much money.
-- 2 SD is not working as it should be because for dumb users it createt to much trouble so now we have the f*****g internal eMMC posing as EXTERNAL SD
-- permissions - soon we will have no way to change them and shut down spying features of - for example torchlight needing full internet access and contacts - thanks to dumb users
3. I know this is a dilemma - this forum should be for all users - old ones and newcommers - It helped me a lot to enjoy and use and get so sad to see the downfall
but soemwhere should be a line and this was crossed with a long time ago
-- All hopes are now with UBUNTU which should work on Note3 and Note 10.1 2014 - comming middle to end 2014
-- Hopes of what: Not being for dumb people
I have no clue about Linux/Ubuntu - same as I started with - but I learned/experimented/read - and I avoided stupid quesions and postings - looking at Linux / Ubuntu forums its still like heaven. Tons of stuff to read, forums are full intelligent questions and responses, because those people actually have an IQ above the average user now - who has to be able to register to a damn forum
4 :victory: What I actually wanted to know
Actually I have ignored now what I expect from others: read and inform more than a day before posting
But here we go:
- I want so swap external with internal SD (mostly for my games) have not found a to do this without root ( I know there isnt any )
+Is there a way without at least permanent root?
+How reliable are root-requiering options like: modyfying vold.fstab or Int2ext or others? - had sometimes trouble like dublicate files - folders - crashes after some time. Especially after reboots with those solutions on my Note 1
+What is the best root solution- maybe with hide root option (integrated or external)? so Samsung HUB (Video, Learning...) and mirroring stays usable?
But it has to work with an Internal - External SD swapping even if temporarily deactivated/hidden for the metioned Samsung stuff to work
+ Knox should / must be untouched
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But you knew that you could not move apps before you purchased a 16gb device without root ...... correct?
kkretch said:
But you knew that you could not move apps before you purchased a 16gb device without root ...... correct?
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2. Please DON´T bother to write here, if your post is plain stupid - sorry to be offensive - Android/This and other android related forums were once great, until it became big and for the masses - so it had to be dumbed down to a level where we are now with no end in sight
SIR - reading through your last 50 posts on this forum - you belong to the group I asked not to post here
Most of your posts are for the sake of typing somewhat
EDIT actually your posts are at times quite good - but still lots of stuff that didnt need to be
remember android forums years back - there was hardly useless stuff... you had a problem the solution was somewhre... if it wasnt it was answered in threads with max 10 posts... 90% just usefull stuff--- nowerdays 90% useless answers
the more useless answers appear the harder it is for intelligent newcommers to read through all the stuff, to get to the point/solution.
stupid people see tons of posts/threads... dont bother searching and start own threads or even start answering cause it seems to be normal to write stuff just for the writings sake
I am asking about the best solution that is actually working without causing too many problems - There are multiple threads here with solutions
but
A not working with both
B user experiences are not good
C Could/Should be what I am looking for but no user experience posted because - forgotten about - thread title/tags not correct
Not all apps are able to be put on the sd card without root but some are, go to : settings , general tab, down to application manager, swipe over to SD card then checkmark apps.
Samsung hub you go can put music/movies by going to that app and settings menu button then choose ext SD for storage.
vincey2kr1 said:
Not all apps are able to be put on the sd card without root but some are, go to : settings , general tab, down to application manager, swipe over to SD card then checkmark apps.
Samsung hub you go can put music/movies by going to that app and settings menu button then choose ext SD for storage.
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WTF no stupid useless answers please this is XDA DEVELOPERS not some thread for users that cant wipe their own ass and dont know the rudimentary stuff!
Or did my question sound like I couldnt wipe my ass?
Do you have rooted and disabled root temporarily to use Learning / Video Hub?
Did the temporary unroot cause problems with Folder Mount / Directory Bind / modyfying vold.fstab or Int2ext?
Does Chainfires hideroot work in a way that Learning/ Video hub is not affected? or is there any other possibility to hide root that is working?
For the Note1 and old 10.1 it took almost half a year to make all this work... seems Note 3 and Note 10.1 2014 are doomed because more and more stupid users come to this forum/ Android in general and devs are just not willing to keep up with all the bulls**t here.
SORRY for being offensive... but you all know I am right
Flyer.michael said:
WTF no stupid useless answers please this is XDA DEVELOPERS not some thread for users that cant wipe their own ass and dont know the rudimentary stuff!
Or did my question sound like I couldnt wipe my ass?
Do you have rooted and disabled root temporarily to use Learning / Video Hub?
Did the temporary unroot cause problems with Folder Mount / Directory Bind / modyfying vold.fstab or Int2ext?
Does Chainfires hideroot work in a way that Learning/ Video hub is not affected? or is there any other possibility to hide root that is working?
For the Note1 and old 10.1 it took almost half a year to make all this work... seems Note 3 and Note 10.1 2014 are doomed because more and more stupid users come to this forum/ Android in general and devs are just not willing to keep up with all the bulls**t here.
SORRY for being offensive... but you all know I am right
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No comment on the ass wipery.
On point 1 though, hasn't it been well documented that apps (games) aren't optimised for this tablet yet? Which would explain why they look "blurrier" on this tablet compared to the ipad. Even though this tablet actuallly has higher resolution. Almost certainly its a fault with the app.
Now I would wait for you to randomly shout abuse, but I doubt I'll bother reading this thread again, so go for it.
Asking for help while insulting people seems like a bold strategy. I hope it works out for you.
Development for a Knox-free root for the WiFi model; you need to understand people do this for FREE or by donation. If you're so impatient, I recommend you either learn how to do it yourself (see how hard it is) or donate and wait patiently for a kind developer to do it for you. I don't know why you would have bought this tablet fully knowing about Knox, and needing to root to move your games to SD. Calling everyone else stupid is childish, grow up.
Also, you can still root, it's not like its impossible. So what you void your warranty, you get what you want if it's that important to you.
I didn't buy this tablet over an iPad because of games and tablet optimization. If that was of importance immediately I would have bought an iPad. You have to understand that this tablet is one of a handful of tablets that has this high of a resolution. Until there is more supporting hardware on the market (next year) you will likely not see too many apps / games taking full advantage of the higher resolution.
I bought this tablet for the fact I will likely have it for 3-4 years and I see Android quickly catching up to Apple in the tablet space within a year. I'll take improved hardware and future support for it as a positive, not a negative. Game developers will come around to optimizing soon, as will a Knox-free root.
Go yell at Samsung for KNOX, or for their warranty policy, but not developers who are doing you a service.
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No comment on the ass wipery.
On point 1 though, hasn't it been well documented that apps (games) aren't optimised for this tablet yet? Which would explain why they look "blurrier" on this tablet compared to the ipad. Even though this tablet actuallly has higher resolution. Almost certainly its a fault with the app.
Now I would wait for you to randomly shout abuse, but I doubt I'll bother reading this thread again, so go for it.
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optimised? Android? Well you know how far optimization can go for android devices... just look at all games that are available for ios and android (including the tegra optimized stuff... its like comparing xbox360(Aandroid) games to xbox one(iOS) games the difference in graphics quality is huge...
reasons... not cost effective - profitable (much more android users are downloading cracked apps then iOS users)
Android will stay in that matter always far behind iOS
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Asking for help while insulting people seems like a bold strategy. I hope it works out for you.
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But still dumb answers are comming in... seems it didnt work... that what destroyed XDA DEVELOPERS.... made it a XDA "I can type so I will type something" forum
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Development for a Knox-free root for the WiFi model; you need to understand people do this for FREE or by donation. If you're so impatient, I recommend you either learn how to do it yourself (see how hard it is) or donate and wait patiently for a kind developer to do it for you. I don't know why you would have bought this tablet fully knowing about Knox, and needing to root to move your games to SD. Calling everyone else stupid is childish, grow up.
Also, you can still root, it's not like its impossible. So what you void your warranty, you get what you want if it's that important to you.
I didn't buy this tablet over an iPad because of games and tablet optimization. If that was of importance immediately I would have bought an iPad. You have to understand that this tablet is one of a handful of tablets that has this high of a resolution. Until there is more supporting hardware on the market (next year) you will likely not see too many apps / games taking full advantage of the higher resolution.
I bought this tablet for the fact I will likely have it for 3-4 years and I see Android quickly catching up to Apple in the tablet space within a year. I'll take improved hardware and future support for it as a positive, not a negative. Game developers will come around to optimizing soon, as will a Knox-free root.
Go yell at Samsung for KNOX, or for their warranty policy, but not developers who are doing you a service.
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I have the 605 LTE ... who even bothers buying a WIFI version - just my oppinion
I can wait ... I will wait... what this tread was for, were user experiences... what is working and what is not working... to save me time and others who want the same to read quickly through this thread what is possible and what not...
BUT it seems even this thread is becomming like every other one... everybody is writing some bull**** just for the sake of typing
IF someone comes here to write his/hers experience it maybe full of useless posts as 90% of this forum
Hard to find a solution even if searching hard...
pointless maybe for someone to answer because of all the pointless stuff alredy posted
FOR GODS SAKE:
if you have tried some of the stuff please post your experience
If and how it was working or if we should wait.
If you know any other way not mentioned (but I think I have covered all possible solutions please share it
When I have time next week or the week after that I will try it myself
ALL the others PLEASE GO AWAY
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more useless answers appear the harder it is for intelligent newcommers to read through all the stuff, to get to the point/solution.
stupid people see tons of posts/threads... dont bother searching and start own threads or even start answering cause it seems to be normal to write stuff just for the writings sake
I am asking about the best solution that is actually working without causing too many problems - There are multiple threads here with solutions
but
A not working with both
B user experiences are not good
C Could/Should be what I am looking for but no user experience posted because - forgotten about - thread title/tags not correct
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I know your seeking an answer to a problem........ I truly try to help people and question do need to be asked.
I agree that 90% of what is written does not need to be.
I'm also sick and tired of posts like this "My tablet stopped working after I rooted, need help"
The OP does not give any details on the original post and it takes 15 post to get out of them (info that should have been in the first post) what exactly is wrong, what model number they have, what firmware build number they have, are they rooted, what version of Odin they are using, what recovery version they have installed. Sometimes when you ask these questions you get half of the information and have to ask again. Posters install custom firmware without reading the complete post by the developer explaining what they need and exactly how to do it, they don't follow the directions and you have to point out there errors.
So I can see your anger about posters and postings but your anger and cockiness is uncalled for......
Good luck with your search, I hope you find an answer that suits you.
Please don't reply to this post as it will contradict your rude point.
I think I see your issue and might know a solution, Flyer.michael.
First, you seem to be looking for a 0x0 Knox root. See below, as I think this method will work for the 605 LTE model:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501700
Second, you wanted some kind of apps to SD option. Looks like there are some options on the Play Store, but you might want to look into this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.droidsail.dsapp2sd
This requires root, but it seems like you can move / link apps to your SD as needed. Again, not sure if this is what you were looking for but it might be worth a shot if you're rooted, not sure if this even refers to what you were wanting. I did read on some other forums that Samsung has some issues with Apps 2 SD and it may be a bigger problem than can be fixed with a root method.
Lastly it looked like game resolution was disappointing for you. You might be able to try one of the following:
1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2329080 ---- This option might not be what you were wanting, as it causes some other issues.
2. http://liliputing.com/2013/01/chang...-enable-tablet-apps-on-a-phone-root-only.html ---- Xposed has a module Xposed App Settings and it seems like from within that you can change the resolution on a per app basis. Maybe that will work. DPI will not effect game resolution, but the resolution change option might work. Not sure if this module works for our tablet or not... but again, worth a shot if you feel like it.
I haven't used the Xposed module on this tablet, as I refuse to root until my 600 WiFi model supports a Knox-free root method. I chose the WiFi model as I have set up an automatic bluetooth tether for data connection since I always have my phone on me. Figured it was worth saving $100.
Anyway, I hope this might help.
I don't know why you think that this attitude is acceptable in here but i have to inform you that it is not.
You are always saying about how good android world used to be, but, did you used to read posts like yours? "Useless", insulting rants??
Thread closed. Honestly, i want you to find an answer to your question but with this attitude you will get nowhere in this forum.
Please read the forum rules.