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Hi, I'm seeing conflicting information on whether the quad-core (international) HTC One X supports T-Mobile US's AWS bands. Engadget and other sites are reporting that it does. But HTC's own specs don't mention it.
Does anyone have any light to shed on this?
Thanks, Alan
Yes, HTC One X will support Tmobile's AWS band
Hi, as we do know the T-Mobile HTC One X will debut in early April, for a yet to be released date, though T-Mobile didn't provide exact release date. As you mentioned that HTC' site doesn't give any clue whether it will support AWS band or not. We can say that it will be updated soon for sure, as well as T-Mobile reveals a release date. We suspect that HTC didn't show T-Mobile AWS band as the device is only available for pre-order from various retailers, so it will update it soon as well as T-Mobile reports.
I'd really like to know the answer to this question also. To add to the confusion, HTC's site for the AT&T version of the One X (Called the One XL) does show that it will support AWS: www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why the AT&T specific version would support AWS for T-Mobile (never seen that before in an AT&T specific phone). In the past it was usually the international version that supported AWS. I don't see any of the various phone/gadget blogs mentioning this about the AT&T version either.
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techsnapr said:
Hi, as we do know the T-Mobile HTC One X will debut in early April, for a yet to be released date, though T-Mobile didn't provide exact release date. As you mentioned that HTC' site doesn't give any clue whether it will support AWS band or not. We can say that it will be updated soon for sure, as well as T-Mobile reveals a release date. We suspect that HTC didn't show T-Mobile AWS band as the device is only available for pre-order from various retailers, so it will update it soon as well as T-Mobile reports.
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I don't understand what you're talking about here. There's no T-Mobile HTC One X. T-Mobile is getting the One S (the lesser midrange handset). That's what was announced at MWC this week, to appear in the spring.
For what it's worth, here's a rumor that T-Mobile will get the HTC One X in the summer (with the Tegra 3 quad-core cpu and stock Android even).
www.androidandme.com/2012/02/smartp...e-to-get-stock-android-4-0-and-quad-core-cpu/
I'm wondering myself does Tegra 3 Quad core support AWS band and if so does it support HSPA +42 or HSPA +21? Also is it the One X Terga coming to Tmobile Usa or One XL Snapdragron coming to Tmobile USA? Like another poster said the HTC website shows the AWS band for One XL under AT&T but no AWS band for One X under international version.
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Come to think about it somebody posted the build prop file for the HTC Endeavor aka HTC One X and it did not list compatibility with AWS band.
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This is a bit of speculation on my part, but it could be that AT&T ordered the HTC One X to be compatible with T-Mobile's AWS since they predicted that the merge was going to go through. Lets not forget that AT&T and T-Mobile do have new roaming agreements after the merger fell through.
nickmgray said:
This is a bit of speculation on my part, but it could be that AT&T ordered the HTC One X to be compatible with T-Mobile's AWS since they predicted that the merge was going to go through. Lets not forget that AT&T and T-Mobile do have new roaming agreements after the merger fell through.
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That makes a lot of sense. Seems plausible.
Don't know if it means anything, but GSMArena now lists the AT&T One X as having AWS (I assume they probably just pulled it from the HTC site and I do find that GSMArena's stats can be a little unreliable):
www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x_at&t-4614.php
I'd hate to have to have an AT&T branded phone to get AWS though. I like the unbranded phones.
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Hmm. There's also this story, from yesterday (and spreading rapidly), that quad-core variant of the One X has cleared the FCC, headed to an unknown carrier:
www.pocketnow.com/android/quad-core-htc-one-x-gets-fcc-certified
And this rumor from a week ago that T-Mobile will get a stock Android version of the One X:
www.androidandme.com/2012/02/smartp...e-to-get-stock-android-4-0-and-quad-core-cpu/
From what I read this morning, international version of the One X will be with AT&T. Therefore, the chance of One X being available on T-Mobile dropped, but its not for sure until CTIA in May. Hopefully they'll announce something.
Other than that, T-Mobile customer may be able to use international version of the One X on T-Mobile someday. Since T-Mobile may or may not be refarming their 1900 GSM spectrum. If they do refarm it to 1900 UMTS, then I'll be one happy T-Mobile customer.
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From what I read this morning, international version of the One X will be with AT&T.
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Where are you getting this? It's well known the AT&T is not getting the international version, but rather a different version with a Qualcomm dual-core processor, to accomodate AT&T's LTE network. Even HTC's own website list's a separate AT&T version of the One X, from the international version.
Also, if you look earlier in this thread, the AT&T version in the specs on HTC's website support's T-Mobile's AWS frequencies. So there may be more than one avenue to get a One X that works on T-Mobile.
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Therefore, the chance of One X being available on T-Mobile dropped, but its not for sure until CTIA in May.
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Again, where are you reading this? Can you provide a link to the information?
cb474 said:
Where are you getting this? It's well known the AT&T is not getting the international version, but rather a different version with a Qualcomm dual-core processor, to accomodate AT&T's LTE network. Even HTC's own website list's a separate AT&T version of the One X, from the international version.
Also, if you look earlier in this thread, the AT&T version in the specs on HTC's website support's T-Mobile's AWS frequencies. So there may be more than one avenue to get a One X that works on T-Mobile.
Again, where are you reading this? Can you provide a link to the information?
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First, I've worded it wrong regarding the international version. I meant to say that the international version is compatible with AT&T. Won't be offered on AT&T, but the UMTS bands has 1900/2100 on it so it could be used on AT&T.
HTC One X
I think I might have missed the AWS spectrums for the XL. Personally I don't think I would put too much hope into it, because the XL for AT&T is meant to focus on LTE. If you look on the T-Mobile Reinvigorated Challenger Strategy Presentation, AT&T's AWS also ties into their LTE.
T-Mobile's refarming their GSM 1900mhz, hopefully to UMTS 1900mhz. If that's the case, T-Mobile users will still have a chance to use One X or One XL on T-Mobile.
T-Mobile USA Reinvigorated Challenger Strategy Presentation
There's also rumors that One X will be coming to Sprint and to T-Mobile as the G4X. The time the possibility of announcement is probably in May.
Rumor
So I'm trying to hold out till May to see if I could see an announcement. If not, I think I might be getting the international version of One X, then wait patiently and hoping T-Mobile will hurry up and refarm the 1900 spectrum. There's also words that the refarming has already been going on, with more iPhone users noticing that they could get 3G speed.
Thanks for the further explanation and links. I could be wrong, but it still seems to me like the AT&T One XL might work on T-Mobile. If you look at the specs on HTC's website, you can see that it has AWS not just for LTE, but also for WCDMA (i.e. UMTS).
www.htc.com/us/products/htconex-att#tech-specs
I don't see why that wouldn't work with T-Mobile. As nickmgray points out above, it's plausible that AT&T specified the bands for the One XL, before they knew that the T-Mobile merger was going to fall through. Hence at the time, they may have wanted a phone that would work with T-Mobile's network.
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There's also rumors that One X will be coming to Sprint and to T-Mobile as the G4X. The time the possibility of announcement is probably in May.
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Yes, I linked to the original source of that rumor above.
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I'm not holding my breath on the spectrum refarming being a solution for the One X. Unfortunately I can't remember where I first read about it, but my understanding is that it will take a couple years. At that point there will certainly be more compelling phones than the One X.
Also, if you look at the charts in the link you provide to the T-Mobile Strategy Presentation, you can see that even after the refarming, it appears T-Mobile will still be using AWS for HSPA+, as well as for LTE. So it seems that a phone that does not have the AWS bands could suffer significant coverage issues. T-Mobile's goal in the document seems to be to make the network better for in-bound international roaming and more compatible with devices from other carriers. But a phone without AWS for a U.S. resident would still be limited.
It would be nice though if international and AT&T phones were fully compatible with T-Mobile's network. That would give T-Mobile a nice advantage with handset options; and a good way to tempt away AT&T customers (who could then keep the phones they already have). But, again, it seems like this is something for the future and not a way to count on using the One X with T-Mobile.
I'm hoping HTC will just make an international version with the AWS bands, as is the case with the Sensation. Or it would be great if they put a pentaband radio in the international version, like Nokia has been doing for a while. Or maybe the Tegra-3 One X for T-Mobile rumor will turn out to be true.
I actually like the size of the One S better. But it's not worth it to me without the 720p resolution and 16 Gb of memory (without a microsd expansion slot).
Just looked at the FCC's documents on AT&T's One X.
The document doesn't mention testing any of T-Mobile's bands. Don't know if they didn't test it, or the phone don't have it.
AT&T One X FCC
SAR Report 1 is the network frenquency band testing document.
Here's more on T-Mobile's 4G expansion, LTE deployment, and 1900 spectrum refarming.
T-Mobile Blog: T-Mobile Expands 4G Network to New Cities
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Just looked at the FCC's documents on AT&T's One X.
The document doesn't mention testing any of T-Mobile's bands. Don't know if they didn't test it, or the phone don't have it.
AT&T One X FCC
SAR Report 1 is the network frenquency band testing document.
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Thanks for the link. I'm not sure what to make of that. For example, they only list GSM 850 and 1900 frequencies. It would be really unusual for a phone these days like this not to be quad-band GSM. So it seems like the FCC report is probably not listing all the bands the phone can operate on, only those that it will use with the AT&T network. I'm not sure this really answers the question about AWS in the AT&T One XL.
What about the One X with the tegra-3 processor that went through the FCC? Do you know where the report for that is? I can't really see how to search the FCC website.
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Here's more on T-Mobile's 4G expansion, LTE deployment, and 1900 spectrum refarming.
T-Mobile Blog: T-Mobile Expands 4G Network to New Cities
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Thanks for the link. Again, this doesn't really indicate that T-Mobile is completely refarming HSPA+ to 1900 Mhz. It just says, "A nice side benefit of the refarming effort is that our 4G network will be compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone." The fact that more different devices will technically work on the network, does not mean that they will get the same coverage as devices that work on both 1900 Mhz and AWS. As the other document you linked to indicates, after the refarming HSPA+ will be on both 1900 Mhz and AWS, so it may mean that if you want the best coverage on T-Mobile's network, you need a phone covering both frequencies. Time will tell I guess, but it doesn't seem clear yet.
And, as I said, this is so far down the road to completion (they're starting now, but it will take a couple years to complete) that I don't see it as being a good solution for using a One X that lacks the AWS bands on the T-Mobile network.
Took a while, but I found the international version of the One X on FCC.
One X FCC
Looking at the model number and matching with other site, it looks like it's the one. The only problem is, it doesn't show any frequency testings. I also looked up the One S and found 3 model numbers, seems like only the one coming to US is the one with the frequency testings.
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Took a while, but I found the international version of the One X on FCC.
One X FCC
Looking at the model number and matching with other site, it looks like it's the one. The only problem is, it doesn't show any frequency testings. I also looked up the One S and found 3 model numbers, seems like only the one coming to US is the one with the frequency testings.
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Thanks for finding that. I guess we're just stuck waiting to see what's what when the devices actually get released.
The AT&T or Rogers LTE Version of HTC ONE X has HSPA support on AWS&2100
(looks like lots ppl may not know this)
So AT&T one x works on T-Mo 3G network (wow~) Tegra FAIL!
and one more... The AT&T LTE version is originally called One XL (but now they call it X since idk)
Moreover, AT&T version looks like 549.99USD (Rogers version is $629CAD+tax)
It still won't have the 1700 band.
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The AT&T or Rogers LTE Version of HTC ONE X has HSPA support on AWS&2100
(looks like lots ppl may not know this)
So AT&T one x works on T-Mo 3G network (wow~) Tegra FAIL!
and one more... The AT&T LTE version is originally called One XL (but now they call it X since idk)
Moreover, AT&T version looks like 549.99USD (Rogers version is $629CAD+tax)
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This has been discussed to death. The official HTC Asia page says the AT&T phone (by name) doesn't support AWS for HSPA. The LTE radio does but it won't work for HSPA. Do you have a link to share where someone has shown a Speed Test getting HSPA/HSPA+ speeds on T-Mobile U.S. with either a Rogers or AT&T One X? Until someone posts that this isn't confirmed and based on the published specs it probably won't be.
From HTC Asia:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•ATT: 850/1900/2100 MHz
•Asia/AUS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
•850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE:
•ATT: B4/B17
•Asia/AUS: 1800/2600 MHz
From the Rogers site:
GSM Bands: 850/900/1800/1900
HSPA Bands: 850/1900/2100
LTE Bands: 700/1700/2100
From the AT&T site:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G/UMTS - 850/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE - Band 4 and 17
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/htconex-rogers#tech-specs
Network
LTE CAT3 - DL 100 /UL 50
LTE: 700/AWS
WCDMA: 2100/1900/AWS/850
EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
Clearly says AWS/2100 is on the list, also 850/1900
I'm getting it this coming weekend, so I will try
And some ppl on the XL forum says Rogers has 1700 hspa clearly written on the box,
It could be a software lockdown, Same as i717...
EDIT: Just saying on Rogers site, Nokia Lumia 7100 doesnt have 1700 listed on there either, but after unlocking, it works perfectly on Wind, so idk
HSPA might work base on spec
If you look at the Samsung Galaxy Nexus's spec, the 1700/2100 HSDPA is listed as "3G". I am using the international version with T-mobile and I am getting around 7mbps. This is definitely faster than 3G speed. Looking at the spec for one x, HSDPA 1700/2100 is listed as 3G also just like the Galaxy Nexus. Wouldn't this mean it would work with T-Mobile's so called "4G" HSPA?
ytwytw said:
The AT&T or Rogers LTE Version of HTC ONE X has HSPA support on AWS&2100
(looks like lots ppl may not know this)
So AT&T one x works on T-Mo 3G network (wow~) Tegra FAIL!
and one more... The AT&T LTE version is originally called One XL (but now they call it X since idk)
Moreover, AT&T version looks like 549.99USD (Rogers version is $629CAD+tax)
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The bands supported by the device has **nothing whatsoever** to do with the Tegra SoC, since the vendor uses a discreet modem with the Tegra 3 version of the One X anyway.
ytwytw said:
Same as i717...
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If this is true, than the weak signal strength and heavier battery drain are likely to occur just like they did on the G-Note. It'll be interesting to see how (and if) the One XL performs.
AT&T vs International bands
According GSM arena the AT&T version will support 3G 1700/2100 which is what Tmobile uses for its H+ network...so if you unlock the at&t version, it should be able to run on Tmo's "4G" right out the box without any needs to flash radios or what not right?
Here's the link to a comparison: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4614&idPhone2=4320
Is it possible to flash a t-Mobile modem or tweek the one x to get faster speeds
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Hello friend, I too am interested in getting the One X (international 32 Gig version preferred) but would consider AT&T's version. I was able to click around AT&T's website and I could not find where it actually stated 1700/2100 AWS however, it does say this:
"4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ (with enhanced backhaul) or LTE, where available" "4G LTE Band 4 and 17" -
And this:
"3G - UMTS850/1900/2100 MHz"
Link to AT&T's site:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_sku=sku5980268#fbid=n77DzSAk3I2
T Mobile has confirmed the reframing/refarming of 1900 from 2g to 3g but stated it was slow process (slower than Edge? lol).
Really want the One X...
atvxda said:
Hello friend, I too am interested in getting the One X (international 32 Gig version preferred) but would consider AT&T's version. I was able to click around AT&T's website and I could not find where it actually stated 1700/2100 AWS however, it does say this:
"4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ (with enhanced backhaul) or LTE, where available" "4G LTE Band 4 and 17" -
And this:
"3G - UMTS850/1900/2100 MHz"
Link to AT&T's site:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_sku=sku5980268#fbid=n77DzSAk3I2
T Mobile has confirmed the reframing/refarming of 1900 from 2g to 3g but stated it was slow process (slower than Edge? lol).
Really want the One X...
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Take the example of Lumia 710
It is a pentaband phone (850/900/1700/1900/2100) but on Rogers site it says only 850/1900/2100,
But after unlock, this phone works on Wind Mobile (same as 3G T-Mobile)
So hope to get this phone on hand ASAP, so I can try...
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So hope to get this phone on hand ASAP, so I can try...
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It doesn't work, at least out of the box, on the XL. It uses a different radio though so the international version could behave differently.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14788508#post14788508
ytwytw said:
Take the example of Lumia 710
It is a pentaband phone (850/900/1700/1900/2100) but on Rogers site it says only 850/1900/2100,
But after unlock, this phone works on Wind Mobile (same as 3G T-Mobile)
So hope to get this phone on hand ASAP, so I can try...
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Great info. As a T MoUSA customer, I will be periodically checking out Wind's site for phones, lol.
I guess I'll keep checking XDA to determine which One X I'll be buying in the next couple of weeks...
atvxda said:
Great info. As a T MoUSA customer, I will be periodically checking out Wind's site for phones, lol.
I guess I'll keep checking XDA to determine which One X I'll be buying in the next couple of weeks...
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This...
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14788508#post14788508
Confirms this isn't true...
ytwytw said:
It is a pentaband phone (850/900/1700/1900/2100) but on Rogers site it says only 850/1900/2100,
But after unlock, this phone works on Wind Mobile (same as 3G T-Mobile)
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There's a thread on the One XL forum you can follow. They're trying to come up with some sort of hack to try and make it work.
BarryH_GEG said:
This...
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14788508#post14788508
Confirms this isn't true...
There's a thread on the One XL forum you can follow. They're trying to come up with some sort of hack to try and make it work.
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http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...TC-One-X-work-on-Wind?p=14791010#post14791010
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1610323&page=3
Confirmed, it's true,
HTC says YES to AWS (Wcdma/HspA)
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Confirmed, it's true,
HTC says YES to AWS (Wcdma/HspA)
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You have to be clear though. Out of the box, neither phone is going to get 3G data on an AWS carrier (T-Mobile, Wind). If you guys come up with a hack, people are going to have to root their phones and flash a new radio. A lot of people will be fine with it, some, especially novices, won't. And the hack for the G-Note gets the job done but you lose some signal and battery life in the process. Until it's running on someone's XL (and well) it's a little early to claim victory. I hope it works out for you guys.
T-Mobile AWS needs 1700 AND 2100 bands. It won't work with only one, so if you don't have both, you don't have T-Mobile 3G.
Not only that, if it comes down to simply being a radio flash you NEED S-OFF to flash a radio. An RUU won't work because there is no version of the X that supports T-Mobile frequencies.
I was today That by this summer in my area the iPhone will be able to get 3g and hopefully it's the bands we to make it work on the one x
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The iPhone has the same network bands as of the one x. Now we wait on TMO to update.
hopefully t-mobile gets this done by july. I'll be out of Army Basic training and will have money to spend on a International HTC One X beast lol... I currently have AT&T now. I was converted to a Radioshack AT&T employee plan a few months ago which changed my data plan from 2GB to Unlimited data which was freakin amazing even tho i only used between 1.5GB - 3GB of Data. Since i quit Radioshack bcuz im about to ship to boot camp, they gotta convert it back to a consumer plan (3GB data plan :-/) Idk what to do. If i come back from boot camp and ppl report that the AWS refarming rollout is actively in progress, im ditching AT&T and coming back to T-Mobile with a Tegra 3 One X. ( 6Mbits/sec is lightning fast enough for me to support playing Call of Duty on Xbox Live anyway. Ive done it on a T-Mobile Vibrant before.
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I was today That by this summer in my area the iPhone will be able to get 3g and hopefully it's the bands we to make it work on the one x
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The iPhone has the same network bands as of the one x. Now we wait on TMO to update.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this one, ill be keeping it no matter what but it will be a lot easier if it had some speed away from WiFi. Where did you get the info on the iPhone being able to get 3g? I'd like to find some info on my area,Tucson AZ.
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I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
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I was looking at the tech specs for the new HTC One and T-Mobile has less support for LTE bands.
Is it just a matter of HTC referring only to the bands that matter to each carrier or is it actually a question of different radios.
I ask because apparently the Google Play edition follows T-Mobile's hardware (possibly to provide support for both US GSM carriers), and makes it a no deal for international customers that need support to other bands.
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In the review on Engadget they say there are 6 different versions of the phone. It seems the everyone who got it early for review received the international version without US LTE support. These are the radios for the AT&T and T-Mobile versions.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
AT&T: (850/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
AT&T: (700/850/AWS/1800/1900/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
I've been looking into it myself because I'd like to get the T-Mobile version and flash the GPE rom and it does look like the GPE is the same hardware as T-Mobile's copy.
I really hate how these companies make a bunch of different hardware configurations. They're obviously capable of putting all the radios in one device, LG did it for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint with the Nexus 5. N5 on T-Mobile is my current phone, I'm still trying to decide if the M8 is a worthy upgrade.
Yes the lack of compatibility between the two carriers is extremely annoying. I have the Dev Edition of M7 right now and it irks me to no end that I am stuck with AT&T with it. I'd totally buy the M8 if it supports all the frequencies of the AT&T version PLUS AWS for HSPA+.
I travel overseas a lot and I am very disappointed that I get more usage out of my old Samsung Galaxy S2 than the M7.
So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
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Just noticed this note at the bottom of Play Store page:
Compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile in the US. Check with your carrier for details about coverage.
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But also noticed this on the Amazon page:
4G LTE (1900 MHz) with availability in limited markets; 3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
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From quick research, T-Mobile will get LTE in 1900MHZ by "end of 2014". I think I need to ask around a bit on Amazon/T-mobile and research some more...
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So how does this translate for M8 bought from somewhere else but used on T-Mobile network. I have ordered the M8 from Amazon (Prime shipping FTW), but it does not mention LTE bands.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Unlocked-Warranty/dp/tech-data/B00J3554KE/ref=de_a_smtd
If I assume all non carrier branded M8 are the same, would the Play store description be accurate?
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_m8
Play store description mentions "700 MHz, AWS", which is a match with the engadget article "T-Mobile: (700/AWS)".
Would flashing a different radio software allow getting past incompatibilities, or the hardware itself is set to specific bands.
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
These are the radios in the GPE version
GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS quad-band 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
HSDPA 21, HSUPA 5.76
4G LTE (700 MHz, AWS)
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Someone with more knowledge of radios can probably give a better answer than me but, as I said earlier, at first glance it looks like the Play Store (GPE) version has the same radios as the T-Mobile version. There's also a YouTube video of someone using a T-Mobile sim in their Verizon copy and it worked although, according to the data in the Engadget review, I don't think data speeds are as fast as they would be with the T-Mobile specific phone, at least on HSPA+.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-review/
GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) (All)
HSPA+
Verizon: (850/900/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
T-Mobile: (850/AWS/1900/2100) with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
LTE
Verizon: (700/AWS/1800/2600)
T-Mobile: (700/AWS)
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I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
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I see some not so heartening details on Amazon/Play store. Updated my previous post. Will need a bit of research regarding the radio flashing as well as the LTE bands, but looks like T-Mobile and Amazon M8 may have trouble playing together.
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I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
ausch30 said:
I just looked at the one Amazon is selling and it seems to me to be a Sprint version, although I don't know that the radios listed are actually correct since the Engadget article said all versions will support GSM/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900) and there's no mention of those on the Amazon product page. There's no mention of GSM or HSPA/HSPA+ at all so based on their data it wouldn't work with AT&T or T-Mobile.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Un...52509-3704704?ie=UTF8&n=2335752011&s=wireless
3G (800/1900 CDMA/EV-DO Rev. A frequencies)
LTE (1900 MHz)
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Not sure, but maybe the data over there is not accurate? Even the Amazon M8 page for ATT version shows the same information.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Gunmetal-Grey/dp/B00IZ1VNZ2
This thread over on the M8 forum does not have much concrete info either:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694630
The radio situation is indeed a veritable mess. I wonder if there are any real tech/cost challenges which limit the radio compatibility or is it just the carriers being evil. I assume a standard hardware chip across all devices will be easier and cheaper to put in, so it must be the evil carriers forcing HTC then.
I am somewhat banking on the fact that unlocked phones (the one on Amazon) are most likely to be GSM compatible. Must get in touch with Amazon customer care I suppose rather than ranting here.
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
Elythor said:
The Anandtech review actually shows that the GPe version combines the best of AT&T and T-Mobile!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
It should work for both carriers.
It is instead missing WCDMA 900 so not optimal if you want to use it in Asia/Europe.
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I did see somewhere that the DE has AT&T radios and the GPE has T-Mobile but that really doesn't make a lot of sense. I trust Anand so I think they're probably the most accurate.
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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xda23 said:
So to understand if I bought a tmobile version it work on at&t and verizons networks as well? I thought Verizon just had cdma phones not Gsm like tmobile and at&t
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No, T-mobile version will work for AT&T but not for Verizon.
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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The Amazon AT&T page updated to show following specs for network:
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IZ1VNZ2
3G - WCDMA: Domestic 850/1900MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps; Roaming 2100 MHz -- 4G – LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900MHz; Roaming 1800/2600 MHz
Developer edition specs were also updated to show same specs.
http://smile.amazon.com/HTC-One-M8-Developer-Edition/dp/B00J3AYHOI/
The unlocked version (non developer shows Verizon like specs). Hope they are more accurate now.
EtherealRemnant said:
What a ridiculous mess! Carriers shouldn't dictate what bands the phone comes in and they should all just be released in ONE model for GSM and all carriers get it.
I understand needing special models for Sprint and Verizon but for GSM its getting ridiculous.
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Exactly can't understand what the morons at HTC are doing.
Anandtech has clarified the radio stuff in the first page of their review.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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busab said:
Even the tmobile version doesn't show the 1700 frequency. Isn't that a requirement to be fully compatible with tmobile??
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AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
Tidbits said:
AWS = T-Mobile frequencies
AT&T, Unlock, and Dev versions will work on T-Mobile.
LTE = YES
HSPA+ = Depends if you area has LTE or HSPA converted from AWS to 1900
2G = YES
T-mobile version loses spectrum for LTE due to spectrum deals and HSPA+ spectrum support.
Qualcomm charges to license spectrum for their radio chips. Also it requires more hardware to support more frequencies. There has to be give and take, and would you pay $900 for the HTC One if it supported more frequencies?
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Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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kirdroid said:
Really? Apple has all the bands in one model. $350 Nexus 5 has all the necessary bands. So it is bull that it costs more, they just screw up every time. By the way I use the unlocked model and enjoying the M8 but no excuse for not having a single gsm model.
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Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Tidbits said:
Sorry I firmly believe Google subsidizes a bit of the cost for their phones. They are using the console model to generate revenue.
Apple devices have a premium cost compared to majority of the items out there and doesn't include how much they make from iTunes.
The T-Mobile version is cheaper than the other GSM models.
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Ok I will give you one more example...Sony unlocked devices in Sony store cost same as HTC One and they have all the necessary radios to work perfectly on r T-Mobile and AT&T. It's not that hard you know if you want to do a single gsm model.
And no Google is not subsidizing $500 or something, may be little bit they take a hit on profits from selling hardware but in no way they are fools to subsidize huge dollars. Like T-Mobile was selling Nexus 5 for $500 or something? Which might be the actual price.
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Hey Guys,
Just bought the Developer Edition on the HTC website and was wondering if this will work on Tmobile??
Thanks
I'm sure it will. It's unlocked so yea!
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henry1970 said:
Hey Guys,
Just bought the Developer Edition on the HTC website and was wondering if this will work on Tmobile??
Thanks
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I think it's missing the AWS frequencies...
henry1970 said:
Hey Guys,
Just bought the Developer Edition on the HTC website and was wondering if this will work on Tmobile??
Thanks
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Yes and No.
The HTC website quotes:
Networks: LTE Quad Band (Bands 17/4/2/5); LTE MIMO; GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 Hz), Class 12; UMTS: Tri-band (UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz), HSPA+Category 14xx (HSDPA 21Mbps/ EDCH 5.7 Mbps)
Without AWS (1700) for UMTS...you would be limited to T-mobile's LTE area only (Band 4). You will not get 3G connections.
Elythor said:
Yes and No.
The HTC website quotes:
Networks: LTE Quad Band (Bands 17/4/2/5); LTE MIMO; GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 Hz), Class 12; UMTS: Tri-band (UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz), HSPA+Category 14xx (HSDPA 21Mbps/ EDCH 5.7 Mbps)
Without AWS (1700) for UMTS...you would be limited to T-mobile's LTE area only (Band 4). You will not get 3G connections.
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Thats not true he will get 3g everywhere where tmobile has reframed their network which at thus point is almost everywhere
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what is the difference between unlocked version, gpe, and developer edition?
Unlocked - can use on any compatible network, locked bootloader, Sense 6.0
GPe - can use on any compatible network, locked bootloader, stock Android
Dev Edition - can use on any compatible network, unlocked bootloader, Sense 6.0
Elythor said:
Yes and No.
The HTC website quotes:
Networks: LTE Quad Band (Bands 17/4/2/5); LTE MIMO; GSM/EDGE: Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 Hz), Class 12; UMTS: Tri-band (UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz), HSPA+Category 14xx (HSDPA 21Mbps/ EDCH 5.7 Mbps)
Without AWS (1700) for UMTS...you would be limited to T-mobile's LTE area only (Band 4). You will not get 3G connections.
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dkotoric said:
Thats not true he will get 3g everywhere where tmobile has reframed their network which at thus point is almost everywhere
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This would be good news for me, but the HTC.com support person (would they be from Let's Talk, which seems to be the the HTC.com e-commerce provider) was saying that T-Mobile LTE is not supported for the Developer edition. I have been considering canceling that order and wait for T-Mobile version to come out, but would hate any bloatware etc.
I hope the HTC support lady was wrong. How can one confirm?
AnDruid said:
This would be good news for me, but the HTC.com support person (would they be from Let's Talk, which seems to be the the HTC.com e-commerce provider) was saying that T-Mobile LTE is not supported for the Developer edition. I have been considering canceling that order and wait for T-Mobile version to come out, but would hate any bloatware etc.
I hope the HTC support lady was wrong. How can one confirm?
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It is supported, the developer edition is nothing but a ATT SKU. It has all the radios except AWS for T-Mobile HSPA in non refarmed markets. See the first page of anandtech review which has the different models along with the radios.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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AnDruid said:
This would be good news for me, but the HTC.com support person (would they be from Let's Talk, which seems to be the the HTC.com e-commerce provider) was saying that T-Mobile LTE is not supported for the Developer edition. I have been considering canceling that order and wait for T-Mobile version to come out, but would hate any bloatware etc.
I hope the HTC support lady was wrong. How can one confirm?
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You can pretty much disable any bloatware I'm not sure why people are so against it when you could just disable it.
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shook187 said:
You can pretty much disable any bloatware I'm not sure why people are so against it when you could just disable it.
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Or root and uninstall. We are on XDA.
kirdroid said:
It is supported, the developer edition is nothing but a ATT SKU. It has all the radios except AWS for T-Mobile HSPA in non refarmed markets. See the first page of anandtech review which has the different models along with the radios.
http://anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
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Thanks, The anandtech review is indeed quite comprehensive, quite impressed. I am convinced that the Dev Edition will work with T-Mobile HSPA+ at least as I am in one of the refarmed areas. Hope LTE will work fine as well though the experiences of people over on the M7 forums worries me. Even if LTE remains locked on T-Mobile, it would be great if a software/radio flash would work to enable T-mobile LTE on the Dev-edition, though I could not find a mention of anyone successfully doing that in M7 forums
AnDruid said:
Thanks, The anandtech review is indeed quite comprehensive, quite impressed. I am convinced that the Dev Edition will work with T-Mobile HSPA+ at least as I am in one of the refarmed areas. Hope LTE will work fine as well though the experiences of people over on the M7 forums worries me. Even if LTE remains locked on T-Mobile, it would be great if a software/radio flash would work to enable T-mobile LTE on the Dev-edition, though I could not find a mention of anyone successfully doing that in M7 forums
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Well if you are in a refarmed area then you will have hspa+ or 3G on the 1900 band. You don't have to flash anything to enable LTE since the dev edition has both tmobile and AT&T LTE bands. Only thing missing in the dev edition is the AWS 1700 for HSPA and since you are in refarmed area you will get HSPA on 1900.
Personally, I will wait for the tmobile version on 11th and as soon as we get S-Off I'm going to fully convert it to a dev edition. In that way I have the full tmobile radio as well as HTC sense minus carrier crap.
Would getting the google play version now be just as good as the t mobile radio, if not better because it has better resale-ability to AT&T users as well?
tolem said:
Would getting the google play version now be just as good as the t mobile radio, if not better because it has better resale-ability to AT&T users as well?
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Yep the Google play edition is the one with max hspa and LTE radios. Basically full compatibility with T-Mobile and ATT. ATT and Dev edition are same as Google play edition minus one band ( AWS 1700 HSPA band). T-Mobile edition has very less radio and not fully compatible with ATT LTE.
There should have only been one gsm model, that is the Google play edition model. Then they could put whatever ROM they want based on ATT, T-Mobile or stock android.
Morons at HTC just make life tough for us.
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kirdroid said:
Yep the Google play edition is the one with max hspa and LTE radios. Basically full compatibility with T-Mobile and ATT. ATT and Dev edition are same as Google play edition minus one band ( AWS 1700 HSPA band). T-Mobile edition has very less radio and not fully compatible with ATT LTE.
There should have only been one gsm model, that is the Google play edition model. Then they could put whatever ROM they want based on ATT, T-Mobile or stock android.
Morons at HTC just make life tough for us.
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I think the blame rests on the carriers, AT&T in particular as they wanted to discourage people moving to T-Mobile with the crippled hardware (or software, I hope it is this one). AnandTech page suggested as much: "As far as I can tell only the AT&T and Google Play Edition SKUs support carrier aggregation. The two SKUs are quite similar from a cellular standpoint, with the AT&T model locking out UMTS band 4 to discourage movement to T-Mobile."
I understand that Band 4 is AWS 1700MHz (like you mentioned).
HTC are probably not in a great bargaining position with the carriers because of its own financial situation. I think Apple has been able to override carrier requests because of its superior position and carriers not being able to remove iPhones from their roster.
BTW I think I am fine with getting the Dev edition from HTC as it is cheaper than GPE(and has no tax) and arrives sooner than the T-Mobile one, with potentially more resale value having AT&T bands.
Can u flash any carriers roms with the gpe?
Does anyone know if there is any difference frequency/band-wise between the dev and att versions?
jwsm said:
Does anyone know if there is any difference frequency/band-wise between the dev and att versions?
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Nope.. Same.
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us3rm3 said:
Can u flash any carriers roms with the gpe?
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Yes you can, at least with M7 it was possible. And once you get S-off you can fully convert one model to another including model Id, cid etc.
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AnDruid said:
I think the blame rests on the carriers, AT&T in particular as they wanted to discourage people moving to T-Mobile with the crippled hardware (or software, I hope it is this one). AnandTech page suggested as much: "As far as I can tell only the AT&T and Google Play Edition SKUs support carrier aggregation. The two SKUs are quite similar from a cellular standpoint, with the AT&T model locking out UMTS band 4 to discourage movement to T-Mobile."
I understand that Band 4 is AWS 1700MHz (like you mentioned).
HTC are probably not in a great bargaining position with the carriers because of its own financial situation. I think Apple has been able to override carrier requests because of its superior position and carriers not being able to remove iPhones from their roster.
BTW I think I am fine with getting the Dev edition from HTC as it is cheaper than GPE(and has no tax) and arrives sooner than the T-Mobile one, with potentially more resale value having AT&T bands.
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Yeah makes sense man. Forget the carrier versions which they don't have control. At least the Dev and unlocked editions should have been based on gpe model instead of the ATT. That was totally with HTC control, but may be financially just made sense for them to use ATT model. Whatever it is hopefully they fix this next year.
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AnDruid said:
Thanks, The anandtech review is indeed quite comprehensive, quite impressed. I am convinced that the Dev Edition will work with T-Mobile HSPA+ at least as I am in one of the refarmed areas. Hope LTE will work fine as well though the experiences of people over on the M7 forums worries me. Even if LTE remains locked on T-Mobile, it would be great if a software/radio flash would work to enable T-mobile LTE on the Dev-edition, though I could not find a mention of anyone successfully doing that in M7 forums
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Yes M8 Developer Edition supports T-Mobile HSPA (1900MHz) and LTE. The refarmed areas with LTE cover over 200 million users now according to T-Mobile. The M8 GPe includes AWS HSPA (1700MHz) for T-Mobile.
I'm using M8 Developer Edition on T-Mobile LTE right now with zero issues.
Hi I have a question looked but can't find any information I'm on 3 U.K want to buy HTC one m8 from Amazon U.S will it work can I receive 4g with that phone thanks.
nexusguy74 said:
Hi I have a question looked but can't find any information I'm on 3 U.K want to buy HTC one m8 from Amazon U.S will it work can I receive 4g with that phone thanks.
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Do you have a model number or link to be sure of what variant we are talking about?
Based on the following webpage 3 uses Band 3 (1800 MHz) for LTE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Europe
And based on the following, the US unlocked M8 does not support LTE band 3: https://support.t-mobile.com/message/358933
So based on this, the US unlocked M8 will not receive 4G LTE on your carrier.
Band support can be changed in software. However, it requires s-off ($25 US by sunshine). And unless you are getting a really good deal on the US unlocked version, I normally suggest getting the variant that supports your carrier's bands out of the box; to avoid the small chance you aren't successful in modding the phone.
This is the link to the one in question http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00J3...htc+one+m8&dpPl=1&dpID=510p0WeVhaL&ref=plSrch
3U.K get 800mhz 1.8 and 2.6 but phone in question I can't seem to find out any info thanks.
nexusguy74 said:
This is the link to the one in question http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00J3...htc+one+m8&dpPl=1&dpID=510p0WeVhaL&ref=plSrch
3U.K get 800mhz 1.8 and 2.6 but phone in question I can't seem to find out any info thanks.
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LTE 800, 1800 and 2600 MHz correspond to Bands 20, 3, and 38 respectively. The specs in the page you linked indicate that it doesn't support any of those LTE bands (supports Bands 17/4/2/5). Those specs also matched the linked I provided in my last post for the US unlocked version.
LTE won't work for you unless you modify the phone's software/firmware as I indicated in my last post.
OK great thanks for the info and response.