https://twitter.com/Samsung_KNOX/status/590604920686018561
the article doesn't say if its just being rooted or if you trip knoxx
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I’ll choose a device I own over a wallet I don’t.
Exactly why this'll be the first device I won't root. Honestly I see no reason to this far.
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Ugh... Not cool Samsung!
Well..by the time the technology catches up, you all will probably be on your next phone, Xposed will be working flawlessly with Sammy stock ROMs, and there will be modules and ways to hide root so that you can use the Sammy Pay. This is no different than past Pay type apps that were blocked because of root..one of those is what Sammy purchased and is incorporating. Since rooting opens your phone to major security risks, would you expect any less from an app that has a ton of your financial information?
I sat through the lecture Jcase gave at DevCon 2013 regarding the dangers of rooting and it made me think twice about what is on my rooted phone. If anyone is interested in watching the 50 minute presentation I can post the youtube link here.
Yeah, probably I won't root either, I already have the hotspot / tethering working without root and I don't want to loose NfC / Samsung Pay
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Well..by the time the technology catches up, you all will probably be on your next phone, Xposed will be working flawlessly with Sammy stock ROMs, and there will be modules and ways to hide root so that you can use the Sammy Pay. This is no different than past Pay type apps that were blocked because of root..one of those is what Sammy purchased and is incorporating. Since rooting opens your phone to major security risks, would you expect any less from an app that has a ton of your financial information?
I sat through the lecture Jcase gave at DevCon 2013 regarding the dangers of rooting and it made me think twice about what is on my rooted phone. If anyone is interested in watching the 50 minute presentation I can post the youtube link here.
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What do you mean by this?? Samsung Pay drops in a couple months, not next year.
And sorry, it's meant to say tripping knox= no Samsung Pay.
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What do you mean by this?? Samsung Pay drops in a couple months, not next year.
And sorry, it's meant to say tripping knox= no Samsung Pay.
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What I mean is the availability of machines to accept the phone NFC as payment from Samsung Pay. These devices are very scarce in my neighborhood. I have only seen them at Sunoco gas stations here. Google wallet, Isis, Samsung Pay, Apple Pay....cool gimmick but not really going to replace carrying around credit cards. I don't expect waiterpersons to have a device to carry from table to table to accept these payments in restaurants. So what I mean is it will be years before this type of payment is as common as using a credit card. And certainly would never even be a consideration in my root or not to root decision.
Only... Samsung pay doesn't need nfc to work. It is compatible with regular magnetic card readers. It uses magic I believe...
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Only... Samsung pay doesn't need nfc to work. It is compatible with regular magnetic card readers. It uses magic I believe...
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Yup. This is my understanding as well.http://www.androidcentral.com/forums-samsung-pay-galaxy-s6-and-why-it-matters Works not by NFC, but the magnetic strip machines that are already used almost everywhere. Which in my opinion, is a game changer (in a big and good way) for sure!
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What I mean is the availability of machines to accept the phone NFC as payment from Samsung Pay. These devices are very scarce in my neighborhood. I have only seen them at Sunoco gas stations here. Google wallet, Isis, Samsung Pay, Apple Pay....cool gimmick but not really going to replace carrying around credit cards. I don't expect waiterpersons to have a device to carry from table to table to accept these payments in restaurants. So what I mean is it will be years before this type of payment is as common as using a credit card. And certainly would never even be a consideration in my root or not to root decision.
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You do realize the main feature of Samsung pay isn't Nfc right?
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Yup. This is my understanding as well.http://www.androidcentral.com/forums-samsung-pay-galaxy-s6-and-why-it-matters Works not by NFC, but the magnetic strip machines that are already used almost everywhere. Which in my opinion, is a game changer (in a big and good way) for sure!
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You do realize the main feature of Samsung pay isn't Nfc right?
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I see! Thanks for the article. And I agree that does make it more useful...but you still are not going to give the waiter your phone and password to pay the restaurant check. It does become more useful in the shopping area and gas station type thing. It still seems like a johnny-come-lately gimmick and for those that really want this hopefully the T-mobile and Sprint uses will find a way to hide root and let it work.
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Only... Samsung pay doesn't need nfc to work. It is compatible with regular magnetic card readers. It uses magic I believe...
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LOL "magic"! Sounds like it...I can barely get my cards to read!
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What I mean is the availability of machines to accept the phone NFC as payment from Samsung Pay. These devices are very scarce in my neighborhood. I have only seen them at Sunoco gas stations here. Google wallet, Isis, Samsung Pay, Apple Pay....cool gimmick but not really going to replace carrying around credit cards. I don't expect waiterpersons to have a device to carry from table to table to accept these payments in restaurants. So what I mean is it will be years before this type of payment is as common as using a credit card. And certainly would never even be a consideration in my root or not to root decision.
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But Samsung Pay NFC is just a small part. That's not the big deal. MST is the big deal. This method works on all terminals where you'd normally swipe your card. Edit: I see it's already covered
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LOL "magic"! Sounds like it...I can barely get my cards to read!
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I know right! I do like nfc tap and pay when available, but I'll admit, is not necessarily the convenience factor but the "cool" factor.Wallet and nfc payments are cool when they work but most of the time it proves to be more trouble than its worth and i end up pulling my card out anyway. Maybe Samsung Pay will change all that?
I was always happy to root my device because Google Wallet + NFC didn't care. Now I'm tempted to wait and see how things go. Even though it'll be more accessible, there's also the caveat that retailers stop keeping their card readers behind the counter and put them out in the open for customer access.
Sadly the news today says that Samsung Pay won't be released until September this year, so another 4 more months.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/30...ch-in-south-korea-and-the-us-later-this-year/
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Sadly the news today says that Samsung Pay won't be released until September this year, so another 4 more months.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/30...ch-in-south-korea-and-the-us-later-this-year/
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Yeah saw that too and was kinda disappointed bc it was supposed to come out in the summer!
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not cool? really? what do u expect? rooting means breaking security on the phone. that said people can steal information on your phone . People can steal your credit card information so what do you expect?
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this make it mute. Looks like the magic swipe will be dead by the end of the year here in the us. No more swipe and sign, just NFC. http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-234B-3681
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So, with the Nexus S officially released, I am ever so slightly jealous of only one thing: NFC. To be perfectly honest, I think my Mozart does everything else better than the latest "Google Phone", but NFC is something that I've been drooling over for probably about 3 years, having seen it all over Japanese websites/tv.
Damn it I can't wait for some sort of NFC solution for us! http://twinlinx.com/mymaxsticker.php is probably our best bet (once it comes out), but it's not the same as having the function integrated into the hardware...
Who else can't wait for NFC to really take off? ^__^
Alex
No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
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No one, I personally dont see the big deal. To be honest, never heard of it until today.
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A year ago, there were 25 million people with NFC on their phones. It's beyond huge over there! I'm really surprised that you haven't heard about it! The vast majority of shops there have nfc readers at tills as well, effectively allowing you to leave your wallet at home, and only carry your phone
Damn it this excites me!
I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
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I didn't hear of it until today, either.
And neither has anyone I know.
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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
^ Not that I know of, like I said earlier, never heard of it until today.
We do have several NFC services here in the US. Just nothing that is very popular nor is it outwardly billed as being NFC. Each implementer brands it with their own name.
https://www.speedpass.com/forms/frmSpHome.aspx , for example
^ I have that little thing for Exxon. That's what this is? Another form of a credit card?
In korea they use it for everything...they can use it as cash (pay for things at shops, taxis public transport) but also you can save credit cards to the chip and you can just carry your phone around and have all your bank cards on it (only works in banks and ATMs)
also in some schools they use NFCs for student ID as well..
pretty amazing tech..it's still to take off fully but still light years ahead of most other countries...
don't worry America, once apple put in an NFC in their new iphone people will get so overly excited and think Apple invented it! and everyone will use it blah blah!
I think London is thinking of replacing the oyster card for NFC, right?
i think i prefer to keep my credit card seperate from my phone... it's one thing to steal my phone, or my card... but to steal them both in 1 hit... not my cup of tea.
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Are there *no* NFC type services in the US at the moment? :S Not even Oyster cards like we have here in the UK for public transport? :S
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Crime is more prevalent here in the USA than in Japan. With such tech on our phones and being relied upon, it's like a Christmas party for ill mannered hackers.
somethings i prefer seperate
credit card is easier to replace than a phone
if that phone gets hacked by some virus (not very likely but still) im f*cked.....
I don't see this (NFC) taking off in the U.S. anytime soon, even if it's on iPhone 5 (which I don't think it will be given Apple's penchant for great implementation and user-experience).
Before it gets adopted in the U.S. by phone manufacturers, it also has to be adopted by all of the U.S. retailers in orders to be of any real-world use. What's the likelihood of that happening within the next generation or two of smartphones?
the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
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the thing is when you get mugged, the mugger isn't gonna say you can keep your credit cards but imma steal your phone..he'll just try take the whole lot, right? any muggers care to share?
and how many times have you all been mugged?? the US must be worse than I thought!
for using credit cards on NFC I think you still need to input your pin each time anyway so i reckon it will be just as safe (if not safer) than physical credit cards..
also if you keep in mind that most phones that are coming out have phone tracking built in, i think NFC is the way forward!
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
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I'll thank you to return both my phones back to me...my Samsung Focus and Dell Venue....also throw in my Galaxy Tab, if you don't mind...for some great Angry Birds action....
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hahaha, what phone(s)?
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lol jump to the worst case scenario... mobile phone theft is a lot easier to do and tends to occur without the owner knowing. this is more common for females unfortunately. If you've ever used a NFC enabled credit card, you would know that a PIN is not required for purchases under a certain amount (here in Australia it's $100). I can do a lot of shopping with limits of $100... Sure they'll all be small items, but I can still purchase A LOT before the end user knows. Trust me, I've done it to friends a joke, merely walk past them whilst their iPhone is lying next to them, and walked off with it. They didn't even notice. People are a lot more cautious with their wallets than they are their mobile phones.
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ah that makes sense...
in korea they have NFC in the phones and you can use it for cash (comes out of your phone bill) for small payments and withdraw cash from ATMs (via stored bank/credit card) after you insert PIN
i didn't realise you can get credit cards with NFC on them..
well in that case, I am back on the fence about this one
I have my HD7 but I am tempted to sell it and buy the Nexus when it comes out. Trying to be patient with WM7 and it has a lot of potential but I think it might take a year or so to get up to IOS or android. The nexus S could hold me over till then
in a year wp7 if its doesnt fizzle may have overtaken ios, and android at their current stages and at its current rate of growth ( its been out about 2 months, and a update already in testers hands) in less than four months it will almost catch up, and about 6 months from that it'll have things that they dont. Who know maybe by then ios will be playing catch up to wp7, 6.5 already had some thing thats why alot of us have the hd2,in a way theyre playing catching up to us with exception of stability and speed. Now that we have stability, etc, all they have to do is put back what they took out, add apps which they are doing, and walla. Windows Phone is on top again. Nothing last forever, not even apples domination.
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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Am I missing something?
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Did you get your $10?
I don't know about purchases but I have some cool ideas about things to do with my new NFC tags.
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Did you get your $10?
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I did It was certainly worth $10 to give this a go!!
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It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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I can see that as an advantage, perhaps. Maybe there will be a day when I walk out of my door carrying only my ID, my phone, and my car keys, but not yet. I do not trust my phone to be working all the time every day. All it would take is one phone failure when I actually need to purchase something to sour the experience for good.
Again, when it comes to purchasing goods/services, I think simple is best. Time will tell.
Security. Your credit card is an archaic tool rife with vulnerabilities. Chip based payment systems are arguably more secure.
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It's the overall potential to removing all the clutter of having multiple credit cards with multiple bills and a wallet full of info that is hard to recover. If I lose my Wallet I have to call all my credit card companies and cancel all my cards then have to wait for them to resend them in the mail. With this I can easily recover with just a new phone. It sucks right now because not many people accept it but you are considered an early adopters if you join right now so there is going to be some teething pains you're going to go threw. Also think of this as like those key chain things that gas stations use for easier and faster gas purchases. It's like that but on a bigger scale
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Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
I tried it a while back at Best Buy, especially since Google is handing out a free $10. Yeah, it's nothing special, but I like the idea of keeping some cash on there in case I ever leave my wallet at home. I've gone out of town on business before only to get 2 hours down the road and realize I don't have my wallet. I NEVER leave my phone. It's a good option to have.
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Damn, I really got to stop typing long crap like that on my cell phone. I need punctuation damnit.
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I've seen much worse
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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It's because you're now old school.
Don't worry I argued this same point - there's not much appeal when I have to carry a wallet anyway for my ID and some cash for places that charge for credit cards. Google wallet takes more work than paying for a card for me.
But I could see this being a fundamental shift in payment for younger generations who might have a phone but no real need for a wallet - who will grow up used to this system.
The real issue at the moment is battery life, I'm sure 5-10 years from now week+ battery life will be the norm and using phone for everything will become acceptable. Phones will also not be so fragile (cough iphone) so it will be as reliable as a piece of card (or almost).
Personally though, I think an NFC card would be way more convenient. It could be the size of a credit card, with a touch screen interface that lets you use it for payment or as a driver's license. But this kind of tech is probably at least 10 years away.
Can I ask you guys which method is the best one out there ?
I do have root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20404813&postcount=350
I think I'm a little confused by wallet. I know it wasn't inclued out of the box because of Verizon. I was able to download it from the market, install and activate it. I have the $10 and went to test it. I went to pay and the phone said sent but did not display the merchant for confirmation and the merchant didn't receive it either. They are supposedly setup for it. Do I need to grab one the other APKs and reinstall or is there any ideas you guys may have? I've searched plenty and saw no mention of what I'm experiencing. Thanks for any insight.
+1
Thank you!
finally some one that sees the truth
Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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Deanwvu said:
I do not see the appeal.
It's just as easy (easier, really) to swipe a credit card.
I do not see the advantage of making a purchase process more complicated--NFC requires a powered, active, working phone. What if the phone crashes? What if the battery dies?
A credit card is solid state, requires no power, and is usable just about anywhere...
Am I missing something?
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I am on the fence, see the pros and cons with both...but eventually when the NYC MTA implements this technology broadly it would pretty sweet to use if you happen to misplace or forget your train ticket and/or metro card
For now, I have to agree. It is less convenient than just using a card.
What would ultimately be really cool is to replace all those things we're talking about with just your phone. Unlock your house, start your car, verify your identity, pay for stuff... all with one device. But until I can ditch my wallet and keys entirely, it's just another way to complicate things instead of a solution to make life simpler. Can't wait for the future!
I've now used it at about 5 different locations and it's pretty fast, with much potential. assuming you've entered your pin ahead of time, it's faster than paying with a physical card. my phone hasn't crashed for more than a month (since going to custom roms) and fcs are extremely rare. therefore it's as reliable as I expect it to be
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My phone gave me fits when I tried to use Google Wallet at Rite Aid. Fortunately the cashier mived the rest of the line behind me to a free register so I could keep trying, because I had to start over like 8 times. It's a nice gimmick for now, but it won't really be practical until more businesses support it and the bugs get worked out.
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I see the appeal in that my phone is quickly becoming my life "tool"
First it integrated my iPod/music player, now does movies, now does hand held games, mobile web browser and email means its now used for work purposes... replicon now has timesheet app so it also records my time in/out of a job......google wallet is now what I use to pay for groceries at the store instead of carrying my wallet in my pocket and possibly loosing my wallet... if my phone is lost, they have to go through 3 passwords before getting to my wallet.
Im thinking more of it as a "why not"... my phone is becoming more and more useful
out for a run with only my phone, need a drink, run into cvs, swipe phone
I used it at 7-11 yesterday just to test it with the free $10. It worked flawlessly but I don't see replacing my wallet until everyone accepts this interface.
I would use it more now if I was able to add my Wells Fargo debit card. Hopefully the ability to add any type of debit/credit card will be the next stag of evolution for this service.
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One advantage is that you can see all your previous transactions electronically more conveniently (not having to log into your credit card account, or wait a day or two before the transaction showing up there).
Another advantage is that coupons and deals can be used more easily. For example, right now if you go into Google Wallet, you can choose offers like 15% off entire purchase at Gap & Banana Republic when you pay with NFC. The offers are pretty limited right now, but I reserve my judgement until Google Wallet or Isis (Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile NFC payment system) take off.
In principle, it is more secure since even if you lost your phone, with your phone unlocked, other people can't use it for NFC payment since it requires an additional PIN code. But then of course losing the phone itself probably costs a lot too...
If Google Wallet or Isis gain traction, more credit card companies will jump in. And hopefully that means you can add more credit cards can be stored on your phone, eliminating the need to carry a number of physical cards.
Oh... and it saves a lot of time for a typical female not having to find an additional item in their over-stuffed purses.
There is yet another security vulnerability in Google Wallet that allows a person with access to your device to change your pin without having ever known your pin at all. It doesn't require root or any special software to do either. Hopefully Google plugs this hole ASAP.
http://thesmartphonechamp.com/secon...le-wallet-rooted-or-not-no-one-is-safe-video/
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There is yet another security vulnerability in Google Wallet that allows a person with access to your device to change your pin without having ever known your pin at all. It doesn't require root or any special software to do either. Hopefully Google plugs this hole ASAP.
http://thesmartphonechamp.com/secon...le-wallet-rooted-or-not-no-one-is-safe-video/
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Jesus, so don't use it. Problem solved.
This whole the sky is falling crap is pissing me off. There are inherently more risks with people stealing your credit card and identity than all this.
Yep, this was discovered awhile ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1412136&highlight=wallet
If you're using Google Wallet, you should also be using either a pattern or PIN unlock for the lock screen. Common sense. In any event, in this scenario they only have access to your prepaid card which only has limited funds.
Used Wallet for the first time this morning at Wawa and loved it. Entered the PIN while I was waiting in line. Got to the register, tapped the PayPass, boom, done. So easy and quick.
Or you could...just...not lose your phone...
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Or you could...just...not lose your phone...
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When I worked retail I was once robbed at gunpoint, and the thief stole my iPhone, too.
Sometimes it's not as easy as just "not losing your phone".
That said, I used my $10 and since there's no convenient way to use my bank account with Google Wallet, I don't really have a reason to use it anymore. No skin off my back, but I'm sure Google will plug the holes soon...
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When I worked retail I was once robbed at gunpoint, and the thief stole my iPhone, too.
Sometimes it's not as easy as just "not losing your phone".
That said, I used my $10 and since there's no convenient way to use my bank account with Google Wallet, I don't really have a reason to use it anymore. No skin off my back, but I'm sure Google will plug the holes soon...
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True, but the odds of the thief finding/stealing your device with google wallet and knowing how to hack it to get access is about the same someone finding your house keys on the street, locating your house, and robbing you.
I have never seen a GSM GNEX anywhere so I'm not concerned some geek is going to drain my bank account when I'm at the local quicky mart.
FUD
Stadsport said:
When I worked retail I was once robbed at gunpoint, and the thief stole my iPhone, too.
Sometimes it's not as easy as just "not losing your phone".
That said, I used my $10 and since there's no convenient way to use my bank account with Google Wallet, I don't really have a reason to use it anymore. No skin off my back, but I'm sure Google will plug the holes soon...
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Then call your bank to block future transaction ...
Same thing like when you lost your wallet with credit card in it ...
No issue here, just dont loose your phone. And do the right thing when that happen!
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Then call your bank to block future transaction ...
Same thing like when you lost your wallet with credit card in it ...
No issue here, just dont loose your phone. And do the right thing when that happen!
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Yes you can call to block transactions, but to say that there's no issue when a person can change your pin without ever even knowing your pin just by simply clearing the app's data is a bit odd. There's definitely an issue there. How can the technology be expected to grow when such glaring holes in the security are there? If I could add my bank card to Google Wallet I wouldn't do it after seeing how easy it is for someone to access it.
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Jesus, so don't use it. Problem solved.
This whole the sky is falling crap is pissing me off.
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Then don't read it. Problem solved.
Discussing security concerns in a development forum is fairly justified and appropriate. The reaction by the community is entirely reasonable.
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
miasma said:
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
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I don't know who you are, but I like your smile so I will trust you.
miasma said:
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
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This so call news is as old as the app itself. It is just that one blog decided to write about and the rest followed copy/paste as every single "news" in android.
making a mountain out of a mole hill. my phone has pattern lock. if i ever lose the bloody thing i will remotely wipe it. the 20 bucks on my pre paid card wont bankrupt me if i lose it anyway.
canca14 said:
Yes you can call to block transactions, but to say that there's no issue when a person can change your pin without ever even knowing your pin just by simply clearing the app's data is a bit odd. There's definitely an issue there. How can the technology be expected to grow when such glaring holes in the security are there? If I could add my bank card to Google Wallet I wouldn't do it after seeing how easy it is for someone to access it.
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How can that person have access to your phone?
This is the same like you lost your wallet with your credit card and money in it.
Still, you can password protect or encrypt your phone, while you can NOT do that on your wallet.
canca14 said:
How can the technology be expected to grow when such glaring holes in the security are there? If I could add my bank card to Google Wallet I wouldn't do it after seeing how easy it is for someone to access it.
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It's worth re-iterating that this vulnerability only impacts the Google pre-paid card that you can use with Wallet - that is the only card that is automatically restored to your Wallet based on your device ID. Any physical cards that you have linked with Wallet will not be available after the "thief" has wiped your Wallet data.
You can bet if you lost your real wallet with a pile of bills in it that money would be spent faster than the person wiping G Wallets data. This whole attack G Wallet thing is driving me nuts.
I think a whole 10 people actually used Google Wallet AFTER they spent the free $10.
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miasma said:
Hi Guys,
We had planned on not disclosing this vulnerability until later, but since it is already public, I can report that we were aware of it as well.
We reported it to Google on January 4th and they are presently working on a fix for it.
Please note that this issue ONLY affects people's pre-paid accounts.
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so you were boy scouts on this one but released exploit code for the last one? Bipolar much? Thanks for letting us know that you knew about it already.
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Ive been thinking over this past couple days over a few things since the launch of iphone 5. One thing which caught my attention was lack of NFC in iphones 5th edition.
So I have NFC in my GS3 and its a cool feature to tell people about but I havent used it for anything. It's an upcoming technology and for now its nothing more useful than playing with nfc tags (which is fun). But would lack of NFC hurt anyone. How much would u have missed it if it wasnt in ur GS3?
I know some of us have been able to hack gwallet but i dont think a company like samsung makes decison based on some of us who can fully utilize a technology
(If u dont like my qn dont hate me, dont call me isheep or other names as ive never owned any iphone)
Looking for a healthy discussion
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I haven't used it either. Don't feel bad its not that big of a deal. What's the point of putting technology in a phone if it can't be used in practical life situations.
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the people that work at Apple are smart. Their stock is up right, now. But, they are on their way out.
They don't have the vision. Especially without Jobs to keep the public happy overpaying for apps and songs
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Well, I think NFC is an upcoming technology, and like any other before that, the success of a new technology depends on various factors such as adoption rate, business value added, ease of use, and the support of technology consumer in his case merchants and end user.
If Apple put NFC in their latest iphone, that will boost the adoption rate as like it or not they have millions users. However even without apple's support of NFC, if most of other smartphone manufacturer especially android put NFC in the phone and merchants start to accept NFC as mode of payment, I believe apple will put NFC in the next release of iphone.
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It's better to have it not need it.. than to need it not have it..
What bad is it doing us?
Very good point but I guess apple likes to prepare its user for an upcoming technology and then gradually guide them into its usage and then make money off of them, which they r doing thru passbook. Which isnt a bad way of selling a service coz my 60 yr old dad wont understand nfc netime if I throw my gs3 at him.
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I love NFC. I use my Google wallet wherever I can and using android beam is really cool.
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thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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Well I pray to God that doesn't happen and thankful it hasn't. So far I am enjoying my NFC chip
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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You could make an argument like that about anything. If you take vitamins for instance, I could say "If you're too lazy to eat the proper foods to get your vitamins, you deserve to die of malnutrition".
Back on topic, I don't ever use NFC but mainly because no one accepts it. Apple could have changed that, it'd have been a "magical" and "revolutionary" new technology.
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I don't have an S3 but I do know a little bit about the nfc card. As stated people who know what they are doing can steal your info from the chip. But the answer is aluminum. The chips cannot be read through it. Just like the "Aluma-Wallets" shown on tv, and the aluminum and tin mixture that is used prevents any connections to the chip. If someone could come out with an aluminum case for the S3 (there may already be one knowing this flaw) the chip would be safe. Or even a belt holster, that way you can still use the function of it but only when you want to.
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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Google Wallet ins't broadcasting your CC data over NFC all the time; you have to login to it and select the card you want to use. Then you swipe your phone by the reader and confirm the charge on the screen.
If my phone is lost/stolen, I have a PIN to login to the phone, another PIN to activate Google Wallet, and Cerebus running under root to allow me to remotely find it, take pictures of the person holding it, and wipe the phone's internal and SD memory; I don't have any kind of that security on my $10 wallet.
I would also much rather use NFC for purchases than to hand my credit card over to a restaurant server and let them go in the back and take pictures of the front & back of it with their cell phones.
And if you have a good enough bank it takes 5 minutes on the phone to put those funds right back where they belong if someone stole your credit card information from your phone like that. I stopped carrying cash 6 years ago. If this technology takes the only thing I'll need to carry is my phone with my driver's license wedged in the case.
Credit card data isn't stored on the phone. Purchases are authorized through a virtual Mastercard through Google and then Google processes that payment to your card. Your personal CC info is never transfered from the NFC on your phone.
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kobe4rings said:
thanks but no thanks. I dont need it and dont want it. If your that lazy that you cant carry a wallet , you deserve to have your financial and personal data stolen which can happen if you lose your phone. you dont even need to have your phone stole for your info to get stolen. It happens all the time eith nfc chips on credit cards.
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What if you loose your wallet? To use Google wallet you need a pin to log in, plus Google wallet it's not on all the time, you need to log in and choose which card to use, but if you loose your wallet, most places don't ask for I'd so they can use the crap out of your card before you realize you lost it.
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I Definitely Think nfc is still a burgeoning technology, that just hasnt hit its stride, but its picking up, and now is the right time to have it, as its adoption rate will build over the next two years... The general life expectancy or our phones.
The thing ng with apple is they dont take risks ... They are slow and safe to adopt, and usually only do it, after a technology and its usefulness have been proven. Theyre strength is their ability to take a proven technology and reinvent it in away that is simplified and easy to use for the masses. So they wont take a risks on nfc yet... But they are slowly building the services to rely on it, once they do deploy. And deployment will only be after devices like ours have proven its usefulness.
That said, i myself am weary of using it for cc purposes... But i love it for other purposes such as data transfer, i.e. Android beam, S-beam, etc... Ive found them very useful and have used my nfc chip ti share data from my device to others with ease, more often than i expected. Also i believe with nfc, itll make wireless charging our devices possible, and im waiting to try that as well... So even w/o the cc stuff.. Nfc is proving itself to me everyday... Its just up to the user to determine the best use of it, for themselves.
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Much like every other new technology... why spend (and waste) money implementing it when it'd be nothing more than a novelty with no practical use. It's the reason they just now added LTE to the iPhone; until now no company has had a respectable LTE network. Apple doesn't need to gamble.
Back to the topic though, NFC is useless right now. It's nothing more than a novelty that you need to go out of your way to use on a daily basis. I absolutely love the idea of never having to carry a wallet again and would definitely adopt NFC into my day to day life... once the technology is mainstream.
Apple tries to dictate what people need...
Also i believe with nfc, itll make wireless charging our devices possible, and im waiting to try that as well...
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Third party charging pads may already be available, they come with a new back cover to make it work.
What bothers me about this post is the fact that one piece of technology is being judged over an entire list of more important key advancements that clearly makes a huge difference between the two devices. I'm not trying to sway anyones thoughts and im not going to point out the obvious but to isolate one feature and try to get people to ground the future development if it is underhanded.
In a year from now if NFC takes off and is supported everywhere Apple will change their tune and add it themselves with a better encryption feature of some sort and claim that NFC is only better due to Apple supporting it. Either way it comes down to what company finds it more relevant and who puts a better twist to the advertisement, what most people don't read is the fact its not new technology at all and agencies have been using it for years.
I don't know but its all drama no matter how its brought up it all depends if you the user can use it and if it makes your life easier, just the fact that you can put your medical info on it and hospitals can scan it in the event you can't speak for yourself at the ER makes a huge difference in my book.
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FRP [Factory Reset Protect] Removal for Samsung Galaxy S7 & Edge (SM-930V & SM-935V)
I have decided to release full FRP Bypass PE1 + Software Root
I hold no responsibility on how this software is used.
This software is malware free. So just follow the instructions and if I helped hit the Thank you!
I only support and assist with this version of my software not other versions that have been decompiled and released elsewhere within this thread.
There are no revisions of version changes this is the final version and works 100% if you can follow simple instructions.
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xboxexpert said:
The total has now risen to the administration having over 10K of phones locked in her drawer with no way to bypass security lock.
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I would love to see a picture of 10,000 phones in a drawer.
I don't have a solid answer for you on the legality (and in fact I'm sure few here are experts in that regard) although you can probably safely assume the answer is no.
psouza4 said:
I would love to see a picture of 10,000 phones in a drawer.
I don't have a solid answer for you on the legality (and in fact I'm sure few here are experts in that regard) although you can probably safely assume the answer is no.
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I figured the SGS7's are at least 400 or 500 bucks each or something I haven't paid for a phone nor service is 7 years being employees here. Don't care to research how expensive they are however I know she has over 20 of them at the moment.
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I figured the SGS7's are at least 400 or 500 bucks each or something I haven't paid for a phone nor service is 7 years being employees here. Don't care to research how expensive they are however I know she has over 20 of them at the moment.
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Aw, you meant $10K value not 10K quantity. What a difference a character makes. I would have loved to see the ridiculous stockpile that 10,000 phones in a single drawer would look like
So are you saying you found a method or are going to try to find a method?
Any cobtribution is a good one but I am not familiar with the legality either but dont see it matter unless you are posting saying thieves can use it on a stolen device.
In all honesty, ppl legitamitely forget their passwords and lock themselves out I am sure all the time and at times if you purchase the phone from a third party theres really no way to remove or bypass it without proof of purchase or replacing the device which some might not have because of how it was purchased.
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So are you saying you found a method or are going to try to find a method?
Any cobtribution is a good one but I am not familiar with the legality either but dont see it matter unless you are posting saying thieves can use it on a stolen device.
In all honesty, ppl legitamitely forget their passwords and lock themselves out I am sure all the time and at times if you purchase the phone from a third party theres really no way to remove or bypass it without proof of purchase or replacing the device which some might not have because of how it was purchased.
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I have successfully bypassed the FRP Reset Protection no matter how much security is on the phone, passcode, pattern, fingerprint. All are bypassed for a full clean factory reset.
So short answer, yes. Also there is a high likelihood that this method works on ALL variants.
I'm going to say trolly troll troll.
'Tis all.
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If what your saying is true do the right thing and contact the manufacturer and carriers with it I'm sure that they would like to know. The fact that you haven't already isn't right.
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If what your saying is true do the right thing and contact the manufacturer and carriers with it I'm sure that they would like to know. The fact that you haven't already isn't right.
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I am in full agreement with this statement. However I have no idea where to start. Again this was basically proof of concept until it because a reality. Tested it at least 20 times and every time I've been able to bypass FRP 100%. Even gave it to my director and had him lock it down with fingerprint and google account and 10 minutes later he was speechless.
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I am in full agreement with this statement. However I have no idea where to start. Again this was basically proof of concept until it because a reality. Tested it at least 20 times and every time I've been able to bypass FRP 100%. Even gave it to my director and had him lock it down with fingerprint and google account and 10 minutes later he was speechless.
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Pm me the method. I want to try on my phone
I personally would contact MikeChannon (forum admin) at http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=335322 and go from there. I'm all for public disclosure but if you are worried about legal or forum rules I think he'd be more informed.
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The bypass method would not violate any law per se. The only issue that would be in question is if you own the phone or lease it.
Under that specific lease agreement it probably has wording about applying custom software to the phone.
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ESN lockout is what makes turning over a lost or stolen phone difficult. And yet there is a huge grey-market trade on ebay and other places. I image they are all going overseas to get the appropriate chips switched out for resale. And if they have an operation set up for that, physically removing the flash chip and reprograming it would be a breeze. IMHO the lockout is more of a money generator for samsung so they can charge you to unlock it if you lock yourself out.
Describing the process is no more illegal than rooting. And if you figured it out, someone else will too. Only they might not share in hopes of selling the service or profiting somehow.
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ESN lockout is what makes turning over a lost or stolen phone difficult. And yet there is a huge grey-market trade on ebay and other places. I image they are all going overseas to get the appropriate chips switched out for resale. And if they have an operation set up for that, physically removing the flash chip and reprograming it would be a breeze. IMHO the lockout is more of a money generator for samsung so they can charge you to unlock it if you lock yourself out.
Describing the process is no more illegal than rooting. And if you figured it out, someone else will too. Only they might not share in hopes of selling the service or profiting somehow.
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Meaning if I share then I'm opening up a whole new market that will explode as bad as Pokemon Go.....
or meaning someone else will release it anyways in time so whether you release it or not doesnt matter outside of you being "first" lol
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Meaning if I share then I'm opening up a whole new market that will explode as bad as Pokemon Go.....
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Actually it would destroy or prevent a market. Markets only exist for those who know how and can do it. At the moment that is Samsung. You don't share it and Samsung makes a bit more money. Then someone else figures it out and they also don't share.... you start seeing adverts on eBay priced a bit below Samsung for the "get back into your phone!" service (or maybe it's just you trying to make a buck ;P ) If you do release it or someone else figures it out and releases it. Well,... we will still see the adverts on ebay for the techna-challenged but it will be a hell of a lot cheaper because it is a known process thus many people offering thus competition.
rootjunky has had an FRP bypass out for months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChCvMLdyRuw
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rootjunky has had an FRP bypass out for months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChCvMLdyRuw
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Go try it on your Verizon phone with latest security update patch.
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Go try it on your Verizon phone with latest security update patch.
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You try it. My phone is set up and running the way I want it. I'm not going wipe it for a silly reason like proving myself wrong or right. That's your job.
If it works or not isn't the whole point of posting the video. Clearly it's not illegal to expose how to get around FRP. If it were, RootJunky would have been charged and his videos pulled.
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