,im sure i read that there will be multi tasking in the future, now the problem i have is im still looking to get a phone i.e. dvp., but its only got 256mb ram, now is this going to play a big part in which phone to get because of multi tasking.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Dell-Venue-Pro_id4595
no it doesn't, 512 of ram.
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That was posted in October, more recent news actually show on the device as having 256MB
Personally, I would get a different device due to this - it may not actually make a difference in terms of multitasking, but we just don't know until multitasking is available to developers.
Thing is, developers are allowed to us 90MB for any single app (or game), but this only applies to devices with 256MB RAM. That means that multitasking has not been taken into consideration at all when writing the marketplace specs as I doubt you'll be able to fit 2 x 90MB apps in memory at once (on a 256MB device the total available amount is something like 220MB - as parts are reserved for GPU etc). That said, there is no rule saying that if a device has 512MB the app can or cannot us 256+90 (ie. 346MB) so...
Of course, most apps do not use 90MB so it's not a huge problem. But given the choice between a Dell or Samsung I'd go for a Samsung any day of the week (which is also what I did).
depending on what you want to do/use cases, if you want multitasking ability, take a look at the nokia n900
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Lately there has been a lot of talk about RAM. People coming from CM7 noticed the low free RAM on CM10 and the overall laginess compared to the first complain.
Many have explained in numerous posts how actually RAM works in Android Jelly Bean. Short deal, Used RAM to cache apps is useful for multitasking. Some of us don't multitask that much but some do. On some busy days on the road i use my phone as my main "computer". And i toggle between phone, messaging, email, maps, browser. I admit after a day it gets tired because the Defy is old now but it works (on CM10), not stellar but it works.
One problem i see is although apps get cached when a larger one needs to be opened it takes some time before it starts freeing space.
Next year i will buy a new smartphone. It's been 2 years for mine and it's journey will be completed. So i was looking for what options do i have.
In Europe SGS3 has "only" 1GB RAM from which video takes ~250 mb leaving(no?) leaving ~750mb for system&apss,(~400 mb free on stock 4.0.4- I saw on a friend's device) fact i consider not fair compared to it;s US sibling. HTC OneX and Galaxy Nexus both suck in the battery department and there are other specs i consider more important than RAM.
I am "in love" with the Nokia Lumia 920 design and screen (Ohh, that screen.... ) but not the OS, i like the Galaxy note 5'' pen and productivity features.
So today i looked at the LG Optimus G presentation. It has 2GB RAM and top dog Snapdragon S4 Pro chipset with Quad Krait . It's really a sweet device, great screen. The funny part is that the review units after the presentation had a RAM widget on desktop. So how much free RAM on a stock version? (although probably there were some apps opened already) - just 800 Mb.
Pics>http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_launches_in_south_korea_pricing_is_still_unknown-news-4816.php
That means more RAM is used than and old Windows XP Dell i am typing now on ( 650 MB used with Firefox, Skype, Dropbox and a few other processes open). It's clear that they don't handle RAM the same way so you must reconsider this comparison.
Android has come a long way and it will only get better but RAM is not the most important thing to take into consideration. I found that my constant look for keeping RAM free on my phone with different methods only wasted time i could have spent doing something meaningful.
And 1GB of RAM is still enough while 2 GB RAM feels like a maximum we will never see broken for quite a while.
just wondering since lg nexus got 2gb ram and our gnex got 1gb.and most ram remains free..ao wats the point of giving 2gb ram??
Twice the RAM is the point.
future proofing. And as soon as another phone comes out with more ram, you get the crybabies to say "why does our phone only have 1gb of ram if it is newer than phones with 2gb?"
i think 2gb ram is quite unnecessary..it is quite tough to use up 1gb ram as android is very good at multi tasking.
the reason it is good at multitasking is because it is constantly closing apps, this action can be alleviated a bit with extra ram thus creating a more fluid user experience. Also it is a competitive market, this gives google something to brag about. Also remember these are used more as micro-tablets, pushing to 2gb opens doors to better games. It is much better to have unused ram than to have not enough. I personally would rather get a phone and in 6 months when a cool game comes out i know my phone can play it as opposed to struggling.
More RAM also means more internet browser tabs that can be switched around without having to reload them. Overall it results in better user experience.
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Exactly for the reasons listed above. More multitasking at every level
Isn't 48K RAM plenty? My Apple ][+ ran fine with that much back in 1982. Sheesh.
i could also play modern combat 3 on my sgs i9000 lag free.. i think 1gb is enough for me
It's the same evolution as was seen in the PC market from the 90's to present. My first computer only had 640kB memory, then came 2 MB, then 4 MB and so on.
It might not be needed today to have that much RAM, but games and applications get more advanced and to be able to keep a good multitasking environment operational in the future you will need more RAM.
I welcome the change in RAM size to make the phone usable in the future as well.
It's like saying we don't need quad core processor... Sure, you don't need it now, but it's good to have and your phone can handle more advanced programs than duel core.
Also I have hard time keeping my apps that I like in memory, even if I have 1GB, so I'm personally looking forward to 2GB
I won't be happy until 8GB of RAM is the norm. That's the point at which I'll be running a Windows 8 virtual machine on top of Android just to be sardonic.
1gb is probably fine for now but I can see it being useful in a year or so. I think I am going to stick with the galaxy nexus until next years nexus but I am eagerly waiting the nexus 4 hands on reviews.
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Better multitasking and faster switching between apps. Personally I'd rather have as much RAM as possible without causing too much of an increase on the price of the phone. Getting slowdowns from running out of RAM is annoying and except for the price I don't really see any downsides for having more. One can always buy a lower spec phone if they think that 2Gb is too much.
Also as others have said having more RAM makes the phone a bit more future proof. For example my previous phone (HTC Desire) has only 576Mb RAM which certainly doesn't make the experience any more pleasant when using current Jelly Bean ROMs. And it's still "only" 2 years old phone...
I can pick up a fire that works fine but says it cannot be registered. would this be fine if I planned on running a custom rom and using the android market. The price is around $80. Is this a good tablet for that or am I better off buying something else. I have rooted unlocked and flashed roms on motorolla backflip and a couple of atrixes so I am not completely helpless in flashing and modding. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated
Ok another part of the question is do you think this tablet would run better than a brand new cheap tablet ( below $100). I know the fire i am looking at has a 1ghz dual core processor and 512mb ram I cannot find anything new with a dual core for this price. Do they run better than a tablet with a 1ghz or 1.2 single core and does the 512mb ram cause a problem
I am looking at this for a eight year old to play some games on maybe read and text with the pinger app
It`s fine for a custom rom just research how to do what you need to do before leaping.
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It`s fine for a custom rom just research how to do what you need to do before leaping.
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Ok another part of the question is do you think this tablet would run better than a brand new cheap tablet ( below $100). I know the fire i am looking at has a 1ghz dual core processor and 512mb ram I cannot find anything new with a dual core for this price. Do they run better than a tablet with a 1ghz or 1.2 single core and does the 512mb ram cause a problem
I am looking at this for a eight year old to play some games on maybe read and text with the pinger app. My other options right now are
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I can pick up a fire that works fine but says it cannot be registered. would this be fine if I planned on running a custom rom and using the android market. The price is around $80. Is this a good tablet for that or am I better off buying something else. I have rooted unlocked and flashed roms on motorolla backflip and a couple of atrixes so I am not completely helpless in flashing and modding. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated
Ok another part of the question is do you think this tablet would run better than a brand new cheap tablet ( below $100). I know the fire i am looking at has a 1ghz dual core processor and 512mb ram I cannot find anything new with a dual core for this price. Do they run better than a tablet with a 1ghz or 1.2 single core and does the 512mb ram cause a problem
I am looking at this for a eight year old to play some games on maybe read and text with the pinger app
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The Kindle Fire may be inferior in some hardware aspects to those cheap tablets BUT a lot of those cheap tablets have horrible battery life! What's the use of having a tablet in which the battery only lasts 2-3 hours? They may look like a great deal but another thing to consider is can you actually upgrade them?.....the Kindle Fire has a huge following and because of that you'll continue to see lots of development for it.
ok so purchaced a couple cheaper tabs 1 new curtis tab for 50$. 1 new uniden for 60. and a used herotab for $36. the 2 new ones have ics and were easy enough to get gapps on and root (uniden came rooted). herotab runs gingerbread and i have yet to try rooting as it has gapps allready. all 3 have 1ghz and 512 mb ram. herotab runs the best in my opinion but it may just be that gingerbread is less demanding. i got these for my kids age 8 and 3 1/2. youngest actually does better on Android devices than 8yearold lol. i think they run fine for what they will do with them. i plan on returning one of the new ones. i also picked up a gallaxy note phone for myself $150 so i dont need a tablet... anyway thanks for all the advice (even if i went the other way)
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ok so purchaced a couple cheaper tabs 1 new curtis tab for 50$. 1 new uniden for 60. and a used herotab for $36. the 2 new ones have ics and were easy enough to get gapps on and root (uniden came rooted). herotab runs gingerbread and i have yet to try rooting as it has gapps allready. all 3 have 1ghz and 512 mb ram. herotab runs the best in my opinion but it may just be that gingerbread is less demanding. i got these for my kids age 8 and 3 1/2. youngest actually does better on Android devices than 8yearold lol. i think they run fine for what they will do with them. i plan on returning one of the new ones. i also picked up a gallaxy note phone for myself $150 so i dont need a tablet... anyway thanks for all the advice (even if i went the other way)
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Wow...sounds like you got a good deal
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Wow...sounds like you got a good deal
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As long as they keep working. I went through 2 tablets b4 these I think they were d2pad or something like that. better specs but out of the 2 of them had about 10 minutes of use before just froze and would not work at all. they went back to the store. I am loving the note right now. It will be replacing my motorola atrix and I might switch my wife's atrix to samsung as well after moto failed to update.
I'm using Tab S3 now and it seriously lags quite a bit compared to my Note 8. With Tab S4, there's addition of DeX function but the only upgrade is the processor to SD 835 while the ram still remains as 4gb. Will this thing lags as hell?
About 40min of playing with it. Performance seems very snappy. DeX is an oddball to say, was closing apps/crashing them? I'm not sure but eventually it settled down, maybe some issue of it was that its not connected to any wifi, so who knows how it was setup since even the installer didn't plug it in.
In DeX mode there seemed to be roughly 1.9GB of ram free for tasks if everything was closed, similar size on the standard Android screen too. For comparison to running stuff, loaded a few things up at once in window mode with DeX of system manager (watching ram/CPU usage), it was doing well with Hacom Word /Excel doc open (around 450MB), 2 games (Badlands and Running Tom, both in windows!) and a few other misc windows. Seemed to have around 1.2-1.3GB free to use of Ram, performance was snappy. Switching between apps, took a second or two at most. Games acted like it was minimized so maybe a pause window would show up, system app watching the ram, i swear it was actively updating in the background. Now as for ram I think the OS is "saving" some of that for DeX mode too, since if I minimized an app. Badlands was an example, running it showed 10MB which seemed odd, but eventually had it minimized for a bit and jumped to 64MB.
Overall short period of time with it, was very responsive quick and nice to use, considering the setting. The DeX mode does seem to work with with the Labs function turned on for apps. Course not everything will run in a window but it looks like some apps are suitable for it which is cool with quick switching between them.
Only thing is storage space maybe to be concerned about. There seems to be a lot reserved for the OS portion and roughly 20GB is used on the 64GB model off the top.
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About 40min of playing with it. Performance seems very snappy. DeX is an oddball to say, was closing apps/crashing them? I'm not sure but eventually it settled down, maybe some issue of it was that its not connected to any wifi, so who knows how it was setup since even the installer didn't plug it in.
In DeX mode there seemed to be roughly 1.9GB of ram free for tasks if everything was closed, similar size on the standard Android screen too. For comparison to running stuff, loaded a few things up at once in window mode with DeX of system manager (watching ram/CPU usage), it was doing well with Hacom Word /Excel doc open (around 450MB), 2 games (Badlands and Running Tom, both in windows!) and a few other misc windows. Seemed to have around 1.2-1.3GB free to use of Ram, performance was snappy. Switching between apps, took a second or two at most. Games acted like it was minimized so maybe a pause window would show up, system app watching the ram, i swear it was actively updating in the background. Now as for ram I think the OS is "saving" some of that for DeX mode too, since if I minimized an app. Badlands was an example, running it showed 10MB which seemed odd, but eventually had it minimized for a bit and jumped to 64MB.
Overall short period of time with it, was very responsive quick and nice to use, considering the setting. The DeX mode does seem to work with with the Labs function turned on for apps. Course not everything will run in a window but it looks like some apps are suitable for it which is cool with quick switching between them.
Only thing is storage space maybe to be concerned about. There seems to be a lot reserved for the OS portion and roughly 20GB is used on the 64GB model off the top.
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Nice to know that, but no one knows the performance after installing many apps. If only Samsung put at least 6gb on this thing, it would make the decision to buy this much easier.
I had the tab s3 add it was a laggy mess. I purchased the Tab S4 yesterday and it's a night and day difference. Samsung finally made a tablet that doesn't suck performance wise!
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Nice to know that, but no one knows the performance after installing many apps. If only Samsung put at least 6gb on this thing, it would make the decision to buy this much easier.
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Yes 6GB of ram would of been nice to say the least.
Loading it up right now and seems pretty snappy even with all the loading happening. Its loading all my phone apps/settings I have onto it as we speak (120 of them so a good test). Seems to be taking a long time though to download/install the apps so not sure whats going on.
I have been using DeX on both the S9+ and this tab S4. I have not seen any difference in performance. both held up very well doing basic work with 4 apps open and 4 tabs in chrome.
What kind of storage does it have? Emmc or ufs?
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I had the tab s3 add it was a laggy mess. I purchased the Tab S4 yesterday and it's a night and day difference. Samsung finally made a tablet that doesn't suck performance wise!
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Where are you in the world to get it straight away?
I paid for it on the 9th and have got to wait until the 24th for the tablet, plus another few weeks for the keyboard.
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What kind of storage does it have? Emmc or ufs?
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It does have UFS from the speeds I'm getting on the 64GB model.
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Where are you in the world to get it straight away?
I paid for it on the 9th and have got to wait until the 24th for the tablet, plus another few weeks for the keyboard.
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I could get 64GB on the 9th, but the dates now they are out of stock where slipping from 14, 16th now later here in the states.
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I have been using DeX on both the S9+ and this tab S4. I have not seen any difference in performance. both held up very well doing basic work with 4 apps open and 4 tabs in chrome.
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Agree, I got probably 3 internet tabs open and 10 apps right now and its solid for running. Anywhere from games, to system stuff, to apps, and netflix/youtube.
@Deathman20 can u pls install androbench mark and share the results? Pls
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/cslskku/androbench-storage-benchmark/
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https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/cslskku/androbench-storage-benchmark/
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@Deathman20 can u pls install androbench mark and share the results? Pls
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/cslskku/androbench-storage-benchmark/
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Results...
Sequential Read: 771.76 MB/sec
Sequential Write: 198.19 MB/sec
Random Read: 140.46 MB/sec - 35960 IOPS (4kb)
Random Write: 25.34 MB/sec - 6489 IOPS (4kb)
SQLite Insert: 1503 TPS - 1.36 sec
SQLite Update: 2906 TPS - .7 sec
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Results...
Sequential Read: 771.76 MB/sec
Sequential Write: 198.19 MB/sec
Random Read: 140.46 MB/sec - 35960 IOPS (4kb)
Random Write: 25.34 MB/sec - 6489 IOPS (4kb)
SQLite Insert: 1503 TPS - 1.36 sec
SQLite Update: 2906 TPS - .7 sec
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Thank you very much
Looks like it has UFS 2.1, :good:
Oh yeah it does. Was in a spec sheet
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clubtech said:
I had the tab s3 add it was a laggy mess. I purchased the Tab S4 yesterday and it's a night and day difference. Samsung finally made a tablet that doesn't suck performance wise!
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That's nice to know, i'm using Tab S3 too and find quite a bit of lag. However I'm really not convinced the Tab S4's 4gb ram will last long before performance issue creeps in. Hopefully we get a SD845 with 6 or 8 gb ram next year.
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Results...
Sequential Read: 771.76 MB/sec
Sequential Write: 198.19 MB/sec
Random Read: 140.46 MB/sec - 35960 IOPS (4kb)
Random Write: 25.34 MB/sec - 6489 IOPS (4kb)
SQLite Insert: 1503 TPS - 1.36 sec
SQLite Update: 2906 TPS - .7 sec
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Just wanted to note on this... This was with the device about half filled with roughly 120 applications loaded from the play store (transferred from old tablet) + what ever additional apps are typically on the device. Both DeX and Tablet modes offered very similar results.
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That's nice to know, i'm using Tab S3 too and find quite a bit of lag. However I'm really not convinced the Tab S4's 4gb ram will last long before performance issue creeps in. Hopefully we get a SD845 with 6 or 8 gb ram next year.
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Now when you say lag, is it due to the fact of the Ram or is it really the storage system on the device? While the Tab S3 did use UFS 2.0 it should be relatively snappy at least. I have a Tab S2 pre-refreash and it it holds its own still snappy and it only has 3GB of Ram, really didn't have to many issues with it. Now 4GB seems to be that general sweet spot for Android, more is nicer to have, especially multitasking and won't fight you on that one. Heck think even Googles new Pixel 3 has 4GB of ram right now in current speculation.
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Now when you say lag, is it due to the fact of the Ram or is it really the storage system on the device? While the Tab S3 did use UFS 2.0 it should be relatively snappy at least. I have a Tab S2 pre-refreash and it it holds its own still snappy and it only has 3GB of Ram, really didn't have to many issues with it. Now 4GB seems to be that general sweet spot for Android, more is nicer to have, especially multitasking and won't fight you on that one. Heck think even Googles new Pixel 3 has 4GB of ram right now in current speculation.
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Tab S3 has eMMc not UFS. Read speed is around 220 only. It's bit laggy too, some say it's because of the eMMc storage.
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Tab S3 has eMMc not UFS. Read speed is around 220 only. It's bit laggy too, some say it's because of the eMMc storage.
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Oh dang it is eMMc. Then yes I feel your pain.
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South Korean Version
Deathman20 said:
Yes 6GB of ram would of been nice to say the least.
Loading it up right now and seems pretty snappy even with all the loading happening. Its loading all my phone apps/settings I have onto it as we speak (120 of them so a good test). Seems to be taking a long time though to download/install the apps so not sure whats going on.
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I believe there's a 6GB version....in South Korea.
I can't post the links, but if you got to Samsung's Korea site, you'll find it.
I would love to import the tablet, even without the pen just to have the extra performance.
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I believe there's a 6GB version....in South Korea.
I can't post the links, but if you got to Samsung's Korea site, you'll find it.
I would love to import the tablet, even without the pen just to have the extra performance.
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Think I read this too, thought is typo error
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Think I read this too, thought is typo error
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Perhaps, but here's a screenshot I've attached that also says 6 gigs. I guess we'll know August 29th when it's released in South Korea.