Hello everyone! I just saw some news about this phone releasing tomorrow, and the Intel Atom processor caught my attention, as it has a 64-bit processor. I remember, long ago in the days of the very first Galaxy S, there was a way to run Windows 98 through emulation using QEMU and Bochs, however it was PAINFULLY slow since it was emulating the x86 architecture from ARM. Since this phone will not have that step to go through, does that mean it would be possible to run a fully-featured version of Windows on it, such as Windows 7? (or XP, 8, or 8.1, I just stated 7 for reference) I used to have one of the even older Sony Vaio UMPCs when they were cool, but they're quite slow for any modern tasks. I've dreamed of any kind of successor to it, so that I could have a device running the full Windows experience in my pocket (versus in my bookbag with a laptop or tablet).
Thanks in advance for the replies!
I am a current owner and hoping for the same thing. It does have the 64 bit Atom in it, so in theory, it should be possible!
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in theory its possible.. except you won't have any driver support from asus whatsoever
so... basically everything wouldn't work properly..
i.e. EMMC storage
touchscreen
sensorhub
gps
cellular radio
you get the idea
Couldn't we write the drivers ourselves? I know it isn't an easy task, but it seems as though it should be possible.
Hydrocharged said:
Couldn't we write the drivers ourselves? I know it isn't an easy task, but it seems as though it should be possible.
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Everything is possible and doable, question is: what for?
grzsz said:
Everything is possible and doable, question is: what for?
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For installing steam and play CS GO on my phone x'D
well.. may be it would be nice to have a working linux chroot with a working X server (with audio also) so we can use native linux programs on our little diamond. I know also that it has hdmi out, so we can use it like a pc with bt keyboard\mouse or microUSB with usb keyboard\mouse and hdmi out
I did that on my old htc ONE m7, working debian chroot on hdmi monitor, but the problem is always the X Server.. i was using VNC and it doesn't support audio
sorry for bad english
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Everything is possible and doable, question is: what for?
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To have a way to run a full Windows installation that can fit in the pocket, without purchasing legacy UMPCs such as the: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VGN-UX280P-4-5-inch-Laptop-Processor/dp/B000IALP88
I'm honestly pretty sad that they discontinued the UMPC concept, I wish it would have stayed.
tbh, I'm interested in seeing if we can get Wine compiled for a chroot'd linux on these beasties. If we can get that working, I could see fully working XP applications at some point.
There's a really good X Server already, XServer-XSDL, that's free on the Play store & plenty of chroot linux builds out there too.
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tbh, I'm interested in seeing if we can get Wine compiled for a chroot'd linux on these beasties. If we can get that working, I could see fully working XP applications at some point.
There's a really good X Server already, XServer-XSDL, that's free on the Play store & plenty of chroot linux builds out there too.
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About how fast is XServer as far as realtime applications go? Since it uses tunneling it seems like there would be some kind of delay, but I have no experience in such areas. If not, then getting Wine to run could open up a lot of possibilities!
XServer-XSDL is real-time since there's no tunneling. I've used it on a couple of my phones. Start up the chroot'd linux on the phone, start up XServer-XSDL, ssh into the chroot'd linux, export DISPLAY=:0 & start up your favorite windows manager. I like lxde or fvwm, personally.
I'm waiting for root so I can install backtrack.
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It is only a matter of time. Hope it is sooner than later. I'm interested in having Windows 10 on here.
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I'm waiting for root so I can install backtrack.
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Rooted versions of the Asus roms are available already... You just need to find them, herer...-https://mega.co.nz/#F!k4MHiAgL!dVuOKeH3eokcwPSNI79ffw
Big thanks to shakalaca for maintaining the rooted images...
Yeah but I'll wait for an official way to root it with an unlocked boot loader.
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So far have xserver-xsdl installed as the X server, installed debian Jessie to my sd card's 20 ish gig ext 4 partition using Linux deploy. Apt-get wine. Follow wine setup for first boot. I'll test some executables tomorrow.
Another thing is cpuinfo shows the vmx extension, so we could probably run qemu-kvm as well.
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Wine works fine and starts up applications okay and is pretty snappy. BUT it looks like OpenGL in Jessie may be messed up, so either need to see if Mesa has been fixed and recompile or go back to an older distro.
Edit 2:
We may not be able to get hardware accelerated wine with the proprietary powervr video card. Mesa glx shows no support and es2_info shows support but es2 gears won't run.
Well that's not looking good :/
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Ubuntu Natty 11.04 running on Galaxy Tab GT-P1000 with flash support. I made two videos with instructions on how to do it.
Your Tab must be rooted and you have to have a kernel with loop device support.
I use official rom XXJQ3 with CF-Root XXJQ1 kernel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOVAHOk_PoU&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIBrZEqB7Y&feature=channel_video_title
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Sounds great but...where are the videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOVAHOk_PoU is this the video?
More information will nice. How to install?????
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Sounds great but...where are the videos?
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Ooopsss sorry i got carried away and i forgot to post the videos too...
I added the videos on the OP.
Looks really good.
Btw....which launcher do you use in android?
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Looks really good.
Btw....which launcher do you use in android?
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Go Launcher EX with custom Glass Sense Theme
sadly, this has been done before. not trying to sound negative though some people might find it useful.
there was a project at one point where they were trying to get it to run native, but idk where it stands anymore.
i'm more interested in getting ICS functioning like it should if they get anything other than ubuntu running natively on the tab and it runs great, i'm all for it. ubuntu is bloated to hell now and i dont like the unity interface at all. i've been using MINT as of lately and i've been liking it so far
Why would anyone try to run two Linux operating systems at the same time on the cramped little Galaxy Tab is beyond my comprehension.
Still... seeing some of you guys are keen on connecting though a socket to another OS using your Tabs, try getting into a windows using Teamviewer (anyone can do it, no skill or risk involved and free of charge!). Or, if you feel adventurous, you can set up a VNC server on Windows, Linux (any distro) and establish a VNC connection directly to your desktop/laptop over wifi or 3/4G.
That should run at least twice as fast and provide the same results without your Tab heating up and eating a lavish 1A/h...
Peace,
C.
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sadly, this has been done before. not trying to sound negative though some people might find it useful.
there was a project at one point where they were trying to get it to run native, but idk where it stands anymore.
i'm more interested in getting ICS functioning like it should if they get anything other than ubuntu running natively on the tab and it runs great, i'm all for it. ubuntu is bloated to hell now and i dont like the unity interface at all. i've been using MINT as of lately and i've been liking it so far
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it doesn't have a gui you have to install it yourself. I installed gnome because i hate unity too.
I did my first android root about a month ago - now I'm hooked on flashing and really want to learn how to customize my ROMs.
My first question - a lot of the tools seem to run in Linux. Is it a good idea to setup a dual boot on my laptop?
I've read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1167623
Is this the right place to start if I want to pull apps off other ROMs to install in my own ROM? I've tried unzipping a rom, finding the APK, and so far, it always fails installation. So - is the thread above the right place to start pulling these APKs "the correct way"?
Came from the WinMo platform, been using Android devices for a little over a year.
Any help, pointing me in the right direction is helpful.
Again - I don't (at this time) want to learn how to MAKE a ROM, but "customize" what's already out there.
Thanks!
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I did my first android root about a month ago - now I'm hooked on flashing and really want to learn how to customize my ROMs.
My first question - a lot of the tools seem to run in Linux. Is it a good idea to setup a dual boot on my laptop?
I've read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1167623
Is this the right place to start if I want to pull apps off other ROMs to install in my own ROM? I've tried unzipping a rom, finding the APK, and so far, it always fails installation. So - is the thread above the right place to start pulling these APKs "the correct way"?
Came from the WinMo platform, been using Android devices for a little over a year.
Any help, pointing me in the right direction is helpful.
Again - I don't (at this time) want to learn how to MAKE a ROM, but "customize" what's already out there.
Thanks!
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I am a windows guy, and most things can actually be done on windows, but somethings Linux is needed for. I use wubi, it's a dual boot, it works amazing. I primarily use windows, and you can use apktool to decompile and edit your applications, you can even set up "cygwin" and run the android kitchen through cygwin bypassing the need for Linux. but for the android utility by tommytomatoe Linux is needed as it's not windows compatible yet, I suggest using Linux to get used to it, I like windows so I like to use as much as I can without Linus, but Linux is a great operating system and wubi is the best way to run it IMO, I've tried all the VMware and running it inside windows and its just way more efficient using the dual boot and wubi is as easy as 1,2,3 to set up
best of luck man, it's addicting!!
i never used linux until about a year ago, and now i cant stand using windows for anything (although forced to use it at work)
there are limitations (online gaming etc)
but i started using it primarily for android but now it is my os of choice
i keep windows on one hd and ubuntu on another, but im pretty sure im gonna erase windows at some point and dual boot something else..maybe mint
wubi is a nice way to wade in to linux w/o doing a full install, but if you ever get into building source roms its not ideal and generally cant handle it, specifically because its partition isnt big enough
Thanks for the replies! Andy, I'm running your stock ROM right now. Love it! Pulled off all the stuff I consider bloat. Now I'm wanting to add some stuff from other ROMs that I have tried.
So...if I use the method you descried above, I'll be able to pull APKs off other ROMs that I've downloaded?
Thanks again.
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i never used linux until about a year ago, and now i cant stand using windows for anything (although forced to use it at work)
there are limitations (online gaming etc)
but i started using it primarily for android but now it is my os of choice
i keep windows on one hd and ubuntu on another, but im pretty sure im gonna erase windows at some point and dual boot something else..maybe mint
wubi is a nice way to wade in to linux w/o doing a full install, but if you ever get into building source roms its not ideal and generally cant handle it, specifically because its partition isnt big enough
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I run mint 100% and use windows in a vm
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I run mint 100% and use windows in a vm
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yeah its mostly just convincing my wife that our home comp is ok w/ no "real" windows
she hates vm's...as actually an old laptop we have can only run windows in a vm (long story) and she uses that at work as a backup to show powerpoints
but ill probably just do it for good during my mini vacation, we havent booted into it in 2 months
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yeah its mostly just convincing my wife that our home comp is ok w/ no "real" windows
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That's funny, I have an old laptop with pretty modest specs. I put XP on it, and it borders on unusable, so I put Linux Mint LXDE on it and configured it to look almost exactly like Windows. It runs really well, but my wife hates it! She can't stand having to learn it's subtle differences (she's a COBOL programmer, so that might explain some things! )
As for the OP's question, depending on the specs of your notebook, you might be able to get away running Linux in a VM. I have VM's for Windows (for installing crap I don't want to install on my real Windows install), Linux and MacOS and they all run perfectly well.
A lot of people rave about VM Ware, I tried it and didn't like it at all. VirtualBox has always worked perfectly for me, and it's completely free. It's worth a shot, if for nothing else than testing 1- whether or not you really need to use Linux, and 2- which flavor of Linux you prefer and meets your needs.
On that second point, I used to use Ubuntu (and still have it installed on a little home file/print server), but recent versions have become resource hogs which might not play well in a VM on modest hardware. Linux Mint, which itself is a derivative of Ubuntu, is much more streamlined and light on resources, especially the LXDE (Lightweight X Desktop Environment) version. This would make it perfect for use in a VM.
imo
Everyone has a different preference when it come to Linux.
personally its very intemidating. I don't like doing.weird things my laptop wasn't made for.
but all u need is the basics, and a couple of good opinions, after that you should be OK.
trust me, after u figure it out, u can't stop.
It like crack!
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I run mint 100% and use windows in a vm
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I switched from Ubuntu to Mint the other day, and I'm liking it so far. I bought a small external hard drive to back up important stuff. I tried the upgrade option when installing, but it seemed buggy, so I did a clean install.
The only problem I've seen is the ATI/AMD proprietary graphics driver doesn't work properly for my laptop. I just run "classic" Mint, if not the graphics will bug out. I actually prefer the classic desktop anyways so it's not a big issue for me.
I've also got the android SDK with ADB and fastboot up and running now as well.
I'm still learning linux, but I like this distro better. If anyone has any suggestions or any advice to further my learning, I would love to hear it.
Just a question.. if we can do that ... all we have to do it connect a keyboard and a mouse via Bluetooth and we will have here a tablet or something..
no ??
We probably would be able to, but you'd have to do a bit of hacking if you wanted it to run.
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Am I the only one interested in having this??
I mean its cool .. no??
having a complete computer and a cell at the same time... idk...
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Isn't that what we have in Android?
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Yeah I for one would like to run something like Ubuntu with a GUI that we can connect a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to.
Our physical screen size plus a little higher "resolution" through lowering DPI would be perfect.
Having an actual computer phone would be dope!
I think so.. that would be awesome ...
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Yeah I for one would like to run something like Ubuntu with a GUI that we can connect a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to.
Our physical screen size plus a little higher "resolution" through lowering DPI would be perfect.
Having an actual computer phone would be dope!
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One can increase resolution nicely with LCD Density Modder application, and I suppose others as well. The Bluetooth keyboard is a nice idea: has anyone tried it?
I have a BT keyboard I got from Amazon that I use with my phone sometimes. It's supposed to be for a Galaxy Tab but it works great.
I'd like to have an Android/Ubuntu dual-boot system, that's be rad.
I'm thinking it will eat the battery, plus ur gunna have to use vnc anyway which will ruin the experience?
-- i know its localhost
if that's a possibility, how can we add the cell applications to ubuntu though??
I remember doing it on my HTC G1 back in the day. It was actually VNC viewer but it was a full blown Linux that run and operated on the phone. Can't remember which distro it was. It had a lot of steps to get to work if I remember correctly.
I wouldn't be surprised if the method today was just a few steps and/or zip. I'm sure if you Google something, the methods should apply to our phone as well. I'd be nice if we could dual boot.
It was Debian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8yBHbwuKSU For the G1
This might help you in your quest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4c61ETCWg
In all honesty we barely have any devs (mostly just modders), so to be able to port something of this magnitude of our phone is probably not going to happen for a long time if ever
I'll try to do this today, but im not sure if our kernels supports loop devices.
I had chrooted ubuntu working, although it messed with my efs partition :-\ the idea is to get the subsystem up and running, then vnc into it from the android side. Its still a "local" installation but no working x11
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how do we even start the installation ??
we copy it to the card .. and make the installation from it ??
and .. in both ways .. if it works .. or if it doesn't.. we just odin back ??
They had Ubuntu distros for the HD2, so it IS possible. Keeping my fingers crossed.
... Am I the only one interested in this ??
I mean .. where do we start from ??
We take that distro for HD2 and use it on our cell ??
The HD2 distro won't work on our phones, I was just giving that as an example that this CAN be done.
There will be more devs popping up, I'm sure of that. This phone has only been out for a few months, just be patient.
Help!
I think these links may be of help to those wanting to run Linux!
http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android/
http://android.galoula.com/en/LinuxInstall/
Alaways been currious of this myself but dont see what the added functionality would be on a device like the gs2, now a distro on something like a prime makes me drool
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Hello, I wonder if any developer has a project on ubuntu for the Galaxy Tab 7.0 3 (SM-T210), I'd love to try the ubuntu on my tablet, some developer? (Bad english = I'm Brazilian)
I've researched a lot about it. but the results did not reach.
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Hello, I wonder if any developer has a project on ubuntu for the Galaxy Tab 7.0 3 (SM-T210), I'd love to try the ubuntu on my tablet, some developer? (Bad english = I'm Brazilian )
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You could download Linux deploy from google app store.
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You could download Linux deploy from google app store.
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I want to install native Ubuntu, without VNC connection D:
I know that there are several different Samba apps on playstore that my work for you.?
-sr
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I know that there are several different Samba apps on playstore that my work for you.?
-sr
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I was thinking something like download an ARM version of Linux to install / flash on my tablet..
Is there any way?
*** NATIVE, NO VNC ***
(Note: I'm using Ubuntu (GNOME) 13.10 on my desktop)
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I was thinking something like download an ARM version of Linux to install / flash on my tablet..
Is there any way?
*** NATIVE, NO VNC ***
(Note: I'm using Ubuntu (GNOME) 13.10 on my desktop)
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I am just throwing this out here because I'm not sure if its what you want exactly, but it may help.
The webpage is whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
Check it out, hope it helps. It may give some ideas if nothing else, and if it doesn't help, sorry in advance.
-sr
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Oh, thanks bro!!
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Holy crap, that was my first topic ever created lol.
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Well.... did it work?
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Lol, everyone learns things there own way. you would be surprised at the amount of work involved to get a fully functional NATIVE port going. my first took me almost a year on Allwinner Hardware, second 2 went pretty smooth and still took 6 months. the biggest issue you have with a device like a Galaxy is drivers, and UART access to catch were your kernels are crashing (and trust me they will) but you can kinda work around that by having your init scripts dump the log to SD(assuming it is working).
As for drivers? Wifi is fairly simple to get going, its usually just configuration changes. Touchpanel drivers need to be heavily modified to remove muli-touch(not completely..read on) as Xorg and linux in general does not play nice with multi-touch. you CAN use multi-touch to emulate scrolling (ex:2 fingers enables scrolling) and right click events, really it is completely possible to use the full chips capabilities you just need to code the events properly in the source. bluetooth I have not bothered to use but I see no issue with it. GPU!!!!! god I hate the GPU mess. that is the biggest hurdle. I got lucky on my tablets as I was able to port X11 Mali drivers from rockchip over to Allwinner and AMlogic. I use my first Allwinner Tablet daily paired with a cheap mini-keyboard,touchpanel from DX.com. Its not easy, by any means but its a challenge(for me an addiction) and once you get it running on the NAND and power up watching your system log on the LCD...it just gives you that feeling of satisfaction. I am currently in the preliminary stages right now for the Tab 7 working around the OTG issues but there is hope! yes the PMIC chosen by samsung sucks and is partly responsible for our OTG problems( the powering portion anyway since it can only output enough to run low amp devices until I can find the LDO registers for the Boost regulator) but I will not stop until I get it done. KNOX is a major issue at this time as usual but won't be in the long run. It is tough probing the devices registers using i2c-tools so I bailed on that one and ported a tool I used for another platform which Is working out nicely to get valuable data from the chips via a kernel module/userland combo.
I try to keep everyone updated but when there is nothing substantial to report you will hear from me when their is. Ubuntu will run one way or another.
Hello all, I have been working on porting applications such as SM64, ClassiCube, VVVVVV, and others including web browsers to ARM as I want to help the community, so I thought I would share my progress with the web browser.. I am using a QtWebKit browser as the final product (Otter), but here's the catch -
Full SSL and HTTPS support. I found a way to port over Qt5 and the latest version of QtWebKit. I accidentally built the wrong branch of QtWebKit though, so it's kind of broken. Using LLVM-MinGW (github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw), Linux, and MXE, and a lot of patience, time and effort, you can port almost anything. The most I can show for the web browser right now is this picture of it not responding right now, as like said before I built the wrong QtWebKit branch. i.imgur.com/Qbt08Fp.png (I can't post outside links, I don't have 10 posts yet)
I'll be making a guide for MXE armv7-Windows building soon and releasing a hopefully stable build of this browser soon too
(I'll also send over apps such as ClassiCube and VVVVVV (can't do SM64 for obv. legal reasons, but I will explain how to build it yourself as long as you legally own the game and have a ROM) in another forum, or if you can't wait I can send it here too )
(I will also be willing to take app requests if absolutely wanted, just make sure they're on GitHub and do not use Visual Studio projects)
If you're planning to do anything JIT you may wanna have a look at running Windows 10 ARM32 as well since that supports ARM32 code and not just Thumb-2 (I see you're running Windows RT in that image...are you sure the reason it crashes isn't the JS JIT?).
Also no idea if you already know but thought I'd say it cause you said you're willing to take app requests if they don't use VS projects: VS 2017+ (even the free version) can easily compile for ARM32 as long as you can build all dependencies (was just saying in case you didn't know, if it's a thing of personal preference just ignore me)
As for app requests... if you're willing to I guess you could look into the ones that have been asked for time and time again back when these devices were more used and the jailbreak was found, I remember a lot of people asking for stuff like LibreOffice and LMMS off the top of my head, otherwise can't really remember much of anything else but while we lack LMMS I think a lot of people would appreciate a properly compiled version of Audacity (there's a version ported long ago but they used the wrong method so they're tied to the OS versions they were compiled for, one only working on 8.0 and one only on 8.1, nothing for 10... I tried compiling it but the patches from the ancient version that got compiled for RT were of little help in figuring out how to compile the latest version).
Anyway thank you for all you have done, a better browser is really the most needed thing now that we have Windows 10 available.
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If you're planning to do anything JIT you may wanna have a look at running Windows 10 ARM32 as well since that supports ARM32 code and not just Thumb-2 (I see you're running Windows RT in that image...are you sure the reason it crashes isn't the JS JIT?).
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Ah, yeah. I only use RT cause well, I got my Surface in a special way and I don't want to accidentally brick it lol.. I have enough money to get one off eBay to test with so I'll check that. It very well could be the JIT, cause well... like said RT is just Thumb-v2, but it wouldn't have compiled at all if it wasn't Thumb-v2 since Clang with LLVM-MinGW is setup for thumbv7-arm-windows-gnu (or something similar), unless it's a broken compiler but any other apps I compile work fine. I tried disabling JS completely but I think something is just broken completely within QtWebKit as I got the same results, so I'll try looking around Qt dev forums and keep you updated on whether its the JIT or not once I get that.
Also no idea if you already know but thought I'd say it cause you said you're willing to take app requests if they don't use VS projects: VS 2017+ (even the free version) can easily compile for ARM32 as long as you can build all dependencies (was just saying in case you didn't know, if it's a thing of personal preference just ignore me)
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Just a personal preference thing, it's easier to work with Clang as you can build things easier with it (or harder, but hey challenges are fun too). I personally just kinda dislike VS either way and use Linux as a main OS. Qt5 wouldn't even configure on ARM on any VS I tried :laugh: I dual boot, but I'm living on 3.5inch HDDs as is :laugh:
As for app requests... if you're willing to I guess you could look into the ones that have been asked for time and time again back when these devices were more used and the jailbreak was found, I remember a lot of people asking for stuff like LibreOffice and LMMS off the top of my head, otherwise can't really remember much of anything else but while we lack LMMS I think a lot of people would appreciate a properly compiled version of Audacity (there's a version ported long ago but they used the wrong method so they're tied to the OS versions they were compiled for, one only working on 8.0 and one only on 8.1, nothing for 10... I tried compiling it but the patches from the ancient version that got compiled for RT were of little help in figuring out how to compile the latest version).
Anyway thank you for all you have done, a better browser is really the most needed thing now that we have Windows 10 available.
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Will definitely look into Audacity and LMMS and LibreOffice. All are apps I want myself, just haven't had much time on me, but I do stuff from here to there when I can. Just kinda hard with my internet going out since the servers are stacked. Will definitely look into that though as I have Thanksgiving off for the rest of the week
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Ah, yeah. I only use RT cause well, I got my Surface in a special way and I don't want to accidentally brick it lol.. I have enough money to get one off eBay to test with so I'll check that. It very well could be the JIT, cause well... like said RT is just Thumb-v2, but it wouldn't have compiled at all if it wasn't Thumb-v2 since Clang with LLVM-MinGW is setup for thumbv7-arm-windows-gnu (or something similar), unless it's a broken compiler but any other apps I compile work fine. I tried disabling JS completely but I think something is just broken completely within QtWebKit as I got the same results, so I'll try looking around Qt dev forums and keep you updated on whether its the JIT or not once I get that.
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LLVM-MinGW compiles for ARM Windows, ARM Windows 10 supports ARM32 code, it will compile, just won't run on RT, will do on 10 though, until you buy an extra I can do some testing for you on 10 if you DM me binaries.
Also no real reason to be scared, quite hard to brick a Surface RT/2 permanently.
EDIT: An other example is PPSSPP, there's builds for ARM32 Windows, they work on both RT and 10 but on RT you have to disable JIT, on 10 JIT works.
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LLVM-MinGW compiles for ARM Windows, ARM Windows 10 supports ARM32 code, it will compile, just won't run on RT, will do on 10 though, until you buy an extra I can do some testing for you on 10 if you DM me binaries.
Also no real reason to be scared, quite hard to brick a Surface RT/2 permanently.
EDIT: An other example is PPSSPP, there's builds for ARM32 Windows, they work on both RT and 10 but on RT you have to disable JIT, on 10 JIT works.
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Ah, gotcha. Want me to send over the binaries? I can do it anytime I just need to know so I can put it in a zip after class. I just really can't risk it lol. Had my Surface since 2015
frylockk19 said:
Ah, gotcha. Want me to send over the binaries? I can do it anytime I just need to know so I can put it in a zip after class. I just really can't risk it lol. Had my Surface since 2015
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Yeah, if you send me a DM with a link I'll test whatever you throw at me on 10.
Well again, it's pretty much impossible to brick it.
Ranomez said:
Yeah, if you send me a DM with a link I'll test whatever you throw at me on 10.
Well again, it's pretty much impossible to brick it.
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Well, I may just do W10ARM32 later anyways, my Surface needs reset as is. But they're all sent through a PM, hope you have luck :fingers-crossed:
If you do build a browser successfully, please build it for RT 8.1. You don't lose much by building it for 8.1 as it will still work on 10
Qiangong2 said:
If you do build a browser successfully, please build it for RT 8.1. You don't lose much by building it for 8.1 as it will still work on 10
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JIT won't work on anything but 10 thought and unlike emulators where JIT can be freely disabled from settings usually in the majority of the browsers that's not so easy, you have to build it with JIT disabled => you'd have to keep 2 build configurations and the non JIT version won't really be very usable anyway.
Ranomez said:
EDIT: An other example is PPSSPP, there's builds for ARM32 Windows, they work on both RT and 10 but on RT you have to disable JIT, on 10 JIT works.
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Is there a PSSPP build floating around somewhere? I searched a bit and couldn't find one. I'm curious if it would even run full speed on an RT, but it would be fun to see.
@frylockk19 if you need another tester, I'd be happy to try stuff out too. I updated my old RT device (not a 2) many months ago, and I'm running Win 10. I found some of the old software that had been ported didn't seem to work anymore, but the ability to run many more apps from the Windows Store mostly made up for it. I've been really impressed how well some things run -- even Discord is usable. It also makes it obvious which apps are not very optimized. I was surprised to see Pixel Studio ran as poorly as it does!
Regarding requests (sorry for the big dump here!):
- Audacity sounds like a good choice to me too!
- while not as exciting, I'd love to see some command line utility applications ported; things like imagemagick or even just a good selection of standard linux tools, git, etc.
- if you're feeling up for a big challenge, I'd recommend something like Webcamoid; I'm not sure what the driver situation would be like or if it's even possible, but if we could plug a cheap HDMI->USB adaptor into an RT device (so it thinks were plugging in a webcam) we could use something like Webcamoid to turn the RT into a cheap display for a Raspberry Pi or anything else. Essentially, with a dongle, the RT could become a portable display, if the software situation was possible. https://webcamoid.github.io/
- WinSCP https://github.com/winscp/winscp
- Pico-8 would be awesome, but is unfortunately closed source. TIC-80 is a nice alternative for a "fantasy console" though. There was an older version in the Microsoft Store, but I think it got purged along with most emulators at some point. https://github.com/nesbox/TIC-80
- I have never been able to get the old MAME build working on either 8 or 10 on the RT, but it would be fun to see that actually running.
- LosslessCut might be useful, even though the Surface RT isn't exactly a multimedia powerhouse. Ditto for Editly. https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut https://github.com/mifi/editly
I'm excited to see new life breathed into the RT, whatever you decide to do.
MichaelA said:
Is there a PSSPP build floating around somewhere? I searched a bit and couldn't find one. I'm curious if it would even run full speed on an RT, but it would be fun to see.
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Well on Windows RT you have to use the IR interpreter cause JIT doesn't work so no, it won't be full speed but on 10 you can use JIT, many games seem to work pretty much full speed with my settings but there's a catch: the Nvidia GPU driver on RT devices (both RT and 2) is broken so you won't get 3D games working unfortunately... Or rather not on GPU, they work with software rendering and some are playable with JIT and frameskip.
EDIT: Forgot to say ARM32 and ARM64 is merged in the main PPSSPP sources so you can just compile it.
MichaelA said:
Is there a PSSPP build floating around somewhere? I searched a bit and couldn't find one. I'm curious if it would even run full speed on an RT, but it would be fun to see.
@frylockk19 if you need another tester, I'd be happy to try stuff out too. I updated my old RT device (not a 2) many months ago, and I'm running Win 10. I found some of the old software that had been ported didn't seem to work anymore, but the ability to run many more apps from the Windows Store mostly made up for it. I've been really impressed how well some things run -- even Discord is usable. It also makes it obvious which apps are not very optimized. I was surprised to see Pixel Studio ran as poorly as it does!
Regarding requests (sorry for the big dump here!):
- Audacity sounds like a good choice to me too!
- while not as exciting, I'd love to see some command line utility applications ported; things like imagemagick or even just a good selection of standard linux tools, git, etc.
- if you're feeling up for a big challenge, I'd recommend something like Webcamoid; I'm not sure what the driver situation would be like or if it's even possible, but if we could plug a cheap HDMI->USB adaptor into an RT device (so it thinks were plugging in a webcam) we could use something like Webcamoid to turn the RT into a cheap display for a Raspberry Pi or anything else. Essentially, with a dongle, the RT could become a portable display, if the software situation was possible. https://webcamoid.github.io/
- WinSCP https://github.com/winscp/winscp
- Pico-8 would be awesome, but is unfortunately closed source. TIC-80 is a nice alternative for a "fantasy console" though. There was an older version in the Microsoft Store, but I think it got purged along with most emulators at some point. https://github.com/nesbox/TIC-80
- I have never been able to get the old MAME build working on either 8 or 10 on the RT, but it would be fun to see that actually running.
- LosslessCut might be useful, even though the Surface RT isn't exactly a multimedia powerhouse. Ditto for Editly. https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut https://github.com/mifi/editly
I'm excited to see new life breathed into the RT, whatever you decide to do.
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Amazing to hear someone else can test any time! I actually have been busy, so sorry for the really late response. I'm working on Linux on the RT/2 since all they are are Cortex-A9/A15 devices. I will definitely check out all those projects and keep you updated more frequently now that school is out for awhile.
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Well on Windows RT you have to use the IR interpreter cause JIT doesn't work so no, it won't be full speed but on 10 you can use JIT, many games seem to work pretty much full speed with my settings but there's a catch: the Nvidia GPU driver on RT devices (both RT and 2) is broken so you won't get 3D games working unfortunately... Or rather not on GPU, they work with software rendering and some are playable with JIT and frameskip.
EDIT: Forgot to say ARM32 and ARM64 is merged in the main PPSSPP sources so you can just compile it.
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@Ranomez sorry to bother, you said there's a server, correct? I'm interested in joining if you could send the link please ^^
Any Update?
gishanstc said:
Any Update?
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You don't look at the development forums do you
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-beta-otter-browser-for-windows-on-arm32.4267593/
frylockk19 said:
You don't look at the development forums do you
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-beta-otter-browser-for-windows-on-arm32.4267593/
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Sorry my bad, Thanks mate