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[Q] Question of the day->To get an EVO or wait for something better?

Hey Gforum, I posted this in Q&A Saturday & http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/200765-question-day-get-evo-wait-something-better.html but am looking for more honest, experienced community feedback->market insight so I post it here now:
Amazon's current price is $99.99 (with new service plan+activation fee credit for up to $36 through 11:59 p.m. PDT October 18, 2010) & Sprint's ETF is listed at $200 through month 4 minus $10/mo prorate thereafter so I'm finally considering pulling the trigger on it but would appreciate some community feedback here.
The ETF is important since I want to know the exit strategy & potential total cost of ownership & have Wi-Fi available 90% of time so not sure that 10% MIA is worth $80+/month for 24 months (let's call that ~$2,000).
Frankly I would dump the EVO in a heartbeat when a handheld comes out with similar specs + projector (battery challenge yup yet I wouldn't be surprised to see a follow-up to the Samsung Beam soon).
Questions:
1) Order Question-Will Amazon let me enter Sprint Service Discount Codes & anyone care to share something better than 10% that is easy to use or must one call Sprint after order?
2) Is Wi-Fi reception still an issue for EVO?
3) Still SD card issues?
4) Video+Audio recording quality still questionable (compression codec issue-as photos seem quite nice)?
Is the following what I should expect or can it be improved:
HTC EVO Video test - Part I
HTC EVO Video test - Part II (Golden State Bridge)
HTC EVO 4G Camera Test - Part III (Front-facing camera)
iphone 4 vs. HTC EVO vs. Flip UltraHD video test
Smartphones HD Camcorder Video Samples (long)
Many Thanks,

Its a phone. Not a life changing purchase.

supchaka said:
Its a phone. Not a life changing purchase.
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If it was just a phone, I wouldn't bother..
I'm looking for feedback on a handheld computer with carrier phone functionalty..
If Sprint wasn't requiring user to sign a 24 month contract costing owner thousands of dollars or it worked on many carriers it would be an easier call.
Thanks for the smile supchaka but I'm looking for a bit more market insight..

If you're looking for a phone that'll last you through the next two years I wouldn't get the EVO. Aside from having a large display and some nice features (HDMI, 4G, kickstand, FFC), it's a pretty dated device. The phone is almost half a year old, and even when it was released, the GPU was already old and out performed by it's peers. The camera is not that great either but then again HTC almost always lags behind with that.
There's no doubt that I'd recommend to wait; but if you're set on Sprint you might have to wait a couple of months before something high end comes out.

Award Tour said:
If you're looking for a phone that'll last you through the next two years I wouldn't get the EVO. Aside from having a large display and some nice features (HDMI, 4G, kickstand, FFC), it's a pretty dated device. The phone is almost half a year old, and even when it was released, the GPU was already old and out performed by it's peers. The camera is not that great either but then again HTC almost always lags behind with that.
There's no doubt that I'd recommend to wait; but if you're set on Sprint you might have to wait a couple of months before something high end comes out.
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That's what the critic in me is skeptical about hence ETF talk but I'm surprised not to see more options on the horizon..
I was hoping the camcorder quality could be improved upon by now.
Shouldn't we have heard more about devices to become available by the holidays as I'm not sure I want to wait another 3,4,5,6 months..
Appreciate the feedback,

As Martin Cooper said, today's cell phones do a lot buy don't do any of them well. Who's Martin Cooper? Just the inventor of the cell phone.
I figure if I need a video camera I'll get my video camera. If I need a real camera I'll get my SLR. My phone will do in a pinch.
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You are usually given a chance at least once a year to get out of the ETF. Just wait till Sprint changes some policy in the contract and you are given 30 days to walk out.
Sprint also offers the cheapest rates compared to the other big name carriers. Just open a a small savings at a credit union and save 10% of your bill. Go online and find a sprint referral link and you'll be saving 15%... if you know someone that works at Chase, then try to work with them so you could be saving 24%.
There will always be something better in the future. If you wait for the next big thing, you might hesitate and wait or the next thing to follow that.
As far as your other questions, I have never had SD problems, wifi problems, or any issues taking pics or video. If anything, my phone has become a great tool for me on my jobsite.

overclockxp said:
As Martin Cooper said, today's cell phones do a lot buy don't do any of them well. Who's Martin Cooper? Just the inventor of the cell phone.
I figure if I need a video camera I'll get my video camera. If I need a real camera I'll get my SLR. My phone will do in a pinch.
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I don't really buy that argument, the real appeal is that it's a convergence device.
surrealmethod said:
You are usually given a chance at least once a year to get out of the ETF. Just wait till Sprint changes some policy in the contract and you are given 30 days to walk out.
Sprint also offers the cheapest rates compared to the other big name carriers. Just open a a small savings at a credit union and save 10% of your bill. Go online and find a sprint referral link and you'll be saving 15%... if you know someone that works at Chase, then try to work with them so you could be saving 24%.
There will always be something better in the future. If you wait for the next big thing, you might hesitate and wait or the next thing to follow that.
As far as your other questions, I have never had SD problems, wifi problems, or any issues taking pics or video. If anything, my phone has become a great tool for me on my jobsite.
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I hear you regarding its potential utility. While I would be on the watch for such an out of ETF I shouldn't count on it so I'll assume ETF worst case scenario. I should be able to add Sprint discount after purchase even if Amazon doesn't let me right ?
Now "Availability: Usually ships within 8 - 9 business days. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com." is kind of a bummer..

I guess the contracts don't mean much to me because I've been with sprint for as long as I can remember. I get an additional 20% off through my work so I'm not going anywhere. I have 5 lines and they all have different expire dates so I can grab a new phone pretty much whenever. Take an upgrade and swap the number. Also being a premiere customer they give you yearly upgrades on the primary line.
So I didn't take into consideration other peoples scenarios may not be the same as mine. I'm very grateful for that now because historically I haven't kept a phone for more than about 6 months
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SMARTPHONEPC said:
I don't really buy that argument, the real appeal is that it's a convergence device.
I hear you regarding its potential utility. While I would be on the watch for such an out of ETF I shouldn't count on it so I'll assume ETF worst case scenario. I should be able to add Sprint discount after purchase even if Amazon doesn't let me right ?
Now "Availability: Usually ships within 8 - 9 business days. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com." is kind of a bummer..
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Just wanna say, I get your in depth thinking about a purchase, but really you are just thinking to much into it. Like others have touched on, in a short time the Evo will be old news. The phone that takes its place will be old news by summer next year. Phone tech is what, 4 months now? Just do as a ton of us do, pick a phone that suits you best for the time being. Because you'll want the new device next year. I thought the sprint hero was bad ass last year. But the Evo this year is badass. Either satisfy your urge for awesomeness now, or wait a couple months and be the first with the new end thing.
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You can always wait for better product, or you can buy the Evo today and enjoy it now. It's just matter of preference.
My gripes are poor battery life, extra 10 bucks monthly fee, and poor glass adhesive on LCD (I had glass lifting problem, and got a replacement after 2 week usage), but what it can do still out weighs the negatives.
Yes, the Evo is 6 months old, but it still can do and look better than many recent models that's out there right now.
FYI, I glanced at Epic at the store when I bought Evo on 10/1, and wasn't sold at all since it was very close to Touch Pro 2's look.

Really the only thing that really holds back the EVO is the GPU. Even the original Droid outperforms it. To invest into that NOW, not mention the next year or two, is just not a smart move when you can wait a few more months for something that is more future proof. If it weren't for the GPU I'd be saying the same thing as the last two posters but... I can't.

Just FYI the above only really applies if and when you game on you phone. I have quake and the major gameloft titles, but I have to say in the end I personally would never buy a phone based on its ability to play games.
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If you're not a gamer, the GPU thing really makes little to no difference. Then again if you're really into games you'd probably use dedicated hardware for that, like a DS or PSP.
The only games I find myself playing on my phone are simple, but addictive arcade style games. Bejewled, tetris, angrybirds and solitaire for the most part. Hardly taxing on the GPU!
The big screen will still be big, even 2 years down the road. It will still be a great device for browsing the web, checking email and messaging, and the GPS functionality is top notch. I'm really not worried about the device being horribly antiquated too soon, and 4G is only just starting to pop up around here so my experience has been consistently getting better.

creyc said:
If you're not a gamer, the GPU thing really makes little to no difference. Then again if you're really into games you'd probably use dedicated hardware for that, like a DS or PSP.
The only games I find myself playing on my phone are simple, but addictive arcade style games. Bejewled, tetris, angrybirds and solitaire for the most part. Hardly taxing on the GPU!
The big screen will still be big, even 2 years down the road. It will still be a great device for browsing the web, checking email and messaging, and the GPS functionality is top notch. I'm really not worried about the device being horribly antiquated too soon, and 4G is only just starting to pop up around here so my experience has been consistently getting better.
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It's not only about games. How will the GPU hold up once Android gets more UI intensive (and it will)? I'd rather be on the safe side.

No matter what phone you get it will be outdated soon after you purchase it. What do you want from a phone. Evo does everything I want since it is rooted.

I do like 3D graphics but I currently don't really game on them. Honestly I haven't seen one engaging enough to hold my attention for more than a few minutes & if I did I'd still probably feel like I was wasting time (idle guilt)..
However I do like shooting videos which is the main reason I considered the iPhone 4 but in the end I vastly prefer the open customizability of Android & integration with google services not to mention larger screen (hopefully I won't regret its 16 bit color). I'll likely have to develop for both platforms.
Only reason I use an iPhone 3GS now is because it was a gift but I'm mostly bored with it. I gather most on these forums are not entirely bored with their EVO..
I do wonder how pervasive tablets will become and to what extent they will take over smartphone functionality..(at least an EVO still fits in a shirt pocket)
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It's not only about games. How will the GPU hold up once Android gets more UI intensive (and it will)? I'd rather be on the safe side.
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Are you currently using an EVO? I do think there will be some cool market developments but unless there is news in the next 24 hours, I may not want to continue waiting.
BTW, Are the Sprint Taxes & Surcharges laughable? -Thanks

SMARTPHONEPC said:
I do like 3D graphics but I currently don't really game on them. Honestly I haven't seen one engaging enough to hold my attention for more than a few minutes & if I did I'd still probably feel like I was wasting time (idle guilt)..
However I do like shooting videos which is the main reason I considered the iPhone 4 but in the end I vastly prefer the open customizability of Android & integration with google services not to mention larger screen (hopefully I won't regret its 16 bit color). I'll likely have to develop for both platforms.
Only reason I use an iPhone 3GS now is because it was a gift but I'm mostly bored with it. I gather most on these forums are not entirely bored with their EVO..
I do wonder how pervasive tablets will become and to what extent they will take over smartphone functionality..(at least an EVO still fits in a shirt pocket)
Are you currently using an EVO? I do think there will be some cool market developments but unless there is news in the next 24 hours, I may not want to continue waiting.
BTW, Are the Sprint Taxes & Surcharges laughable? -Thanks
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Yes, I'm currently using a EVO, got it in June and will trade up once a new high end HTC Android (and maybe the WP7 TP7) phone hits Sprint.
Edit: This post illustrates the GPU gap between the EVO (Nexus One has the same GPU), it's competitors (PowerVR - Galaxy S shown here but Motorola uses a version that is inbetween the EVO and Galaxy S), and current HTC phones. Ask yourself if you want to get stuck with specs which are already WAY behind.

Award Tour said:
Yes, I'm currently using a EVO, got it in June and will trade up once a new high end HTC Android (and maybe the WP7 TP7) phone hits Sprint.
Edit: This post illustrates the GPU gap between the EVO (Nexus One has the same GPU), it's competitors (PowerVR - Galaxy S shown here but Motorola uses a version that is inbetween the EVO and Galaxy S), and current HTC phones. Ask yourself if you want to get stuck with specs which are already WAY behind.
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I played with an EVO on launch day for a couple hours, wasn't sold on it but I think it's significantly better now with updates+2.2 (except its camcorder output sadly).
That link was cool, would have liked to see how it ran on Nexus also but it appears better GPUs are coming to high end smartphones for reasons beyond gaming..
Are the Sprint Taxes & Surcharges -not- laughable then? No complaints about Sprint? Thoughts on WiMax->2 vs LTE?

I'm surprised there isn't more on the following (wonder if I could happily wait without more news):
Gorgeous, mysterious, EVO-ish HTC device headed for Verizon
HTC Desire HD heading to Verizon Wireless?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/verizon-scoop-extravaganza-motorola-venus-with-portrait-qwerty/
Desire HD looks nice (hope they don't omit the kickstand for USA):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9WbNkWQGxU&NR=1
Next gen EVOs coming soon-before new year-roadmaps-carriers-must know?

Who's getting one?

Hey all
Along with many other manufacturers, Asus has thrown its latest smartwatch into the wild. On the face of it the device looks sleek, with a leather strap rather than the plastic ones we're seeing with a lot of other smartwatches. Its expected to be around the 200 Euro mark, and although not as fully featured as devices such as the Samsung Gear S, the price point seems about right for the feature set and specifications. Has Asus done enough to tempt anybody?

I've had an LG for about 2 months.. yeah i think i'll sell it and go the zenwatch

I was going to but I got impatient and I went with the G Watch. so far I am very pleased with it.

Really liked this watch in pics but they were taking too long. So I got a 360.

jayr04 said:
Really liked this watch in pics but they were taking too long. So I got a 360.
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how is it?

senectus said:
how is it?
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I love it. Convenient to just glance at your wrist to see info instead of having to pull out your phone. And the abundance of custom faces keeps it exciting because you can have a different look everyday.

I'm really struggling with myself not to get a LG G Watch or Moto 360 - How the struggle ends, depends on when Asus start shipping. I've preordered the Zenwatch at expansys, but the news that there'll be only 300 released in the first batch has dampened my high hopes....

ZilverZurfarn said:
I'm really struggling with myself not to get a LG G Watch or Moto 360 - How the struggle ends, depends on when Asus start shipping. I've preordered the Zenwatch at expansys, but the news that there'll be only 300 released in the first batch has dampened my high hopes....
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Is that actually confirmed by Asus? I only saw an article with no official source. Just a claim.
I can't see Asus only releasing 300 in the first batch. That would be a joke. I'm sure they have 300 already that are being used as demo devices.
The article in question is this one: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/asus-zenwatch-limited-release/
Because we all know the accuracy of Chinese websites... [emoji57]

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Is that actually confirmed by Asus? I only saw an article with no official source. Just a claim.]
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Yes, that's what I'm hoping for too. A batch of 300 just wouldn't make sense. Unless they are completely hand crafted, making 300 or 300.000 should really make no difference, once you can assemble a single one. For my peace of mind, I'll stick to the theory that 300 units is bull poo.

Ive preordered one but disappointed about the only 300 rumour and not likely in volume before 2015. Come on asus, get them out there...

ZilverZurfarn said:
Yes, that's what I'm hoping for too. A batch of 300 just wouldn't make sense. Unless they are completely hand crafted, making 300 or 300.000 should really make no difference, once you can assemble a single one. For my peace of mind, I'll stick to the theory that 300 units is bull poo.
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Unless there's a shortage of components. Seeing as most of these watches appear to have the same innards that could be an issue?
300 does seem to be deliberately contrary though! Might cancel my pre-order and get the new Microsoft watch instead, just to spite any manufaturers trying to play the market.
No updates though?

bonerp said:
Ive preordered one but disappointed about the only 300 rumour and not likely in volume before 2015. Come on asus, get them out there...
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http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_japan_teases_a_launch_of_a_phone_and_a_smartwatch-news-10007.php

Oh - I just jizzed in my pants! Looks legit: http://shop.asus.co.jp/teaser/

This will be the first product I buy new in many, many years. For a long time now, I've always bought second-hand. But I want this watch so much I will be buying it as soon as it becomes available. Originally, I thought I would be buying the Apple Watch, but once again the greedy ****s have priced their product beyond reasonable. That, and I don't have an iPhone anymore (no big loss).
I actually have a Moto 360 on the way because I got tired of waiting. As soon as I can get my hands on the ZenWatch, I'll sell the 360.

I'd actually wait in a line to buy this watch.

I think I'm gonna pick this watch up along with a gear s when ever that is released

Looks like it's being released today in Japan. Anybody know if the Zen can make voice calls?

More like "late November" as far as i can tell.
http://shop.asus.co.jp/zenfone/#Zenwatch

Yeah, well the 300 number was right, for the price anyway:
"ASUS is October 28, has announced it will launch Android Wear equipped with smart watch "ASUS ZenWatch" the (WI500Q-BR04) in late November. Assumed actual sales price 29,800 yen (tax not included)."
**** that.
http://translate.google.ca/translat...-android-wear-zenwatch-11-2-9800/&prev=search

Wtf didn't they say it will cost less then $200??
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Moto 360 2nd Gen release in early 2015?

Very odd announcement from Lenovo exec about when Motorola would release the 2nd gen of Moto 360, looks to be in early 2015...if this is true, I am hoping they at least fix the crack issue.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131...ation-smartwatch-could-arrive-early-next-year

If this is true I guess I will be waiting for the 2nd gen then. I was about to pull the trigger to get a 1st gen.

The f is this they should give us upgrade discount or something we just got this

Chickenboom said:
The f is this they should give us upgrade discount or something we just got this
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It's a losing battle keeping up with technology and gadgets.

Although this may be true, I highly doubt it would be as early as January (CES). I mean, this model just went on sale in September. Also, Lenovo officially took over Motorola not even a whole month ago. I would think he probably means first half of 2015, which could mean May or June 2015. But, obviously, this is all speculation.

I was waiting for a moto 360/cognac...may be prudent to wait a little longer until there is more information...it looks like the Motorola group is always looking to improve the models; possibility of a refresh, keeping the same form/shell, changing certain things like ambient sensor, more robust back, etc. Either way, tech always evolves.
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I really hope it won't be released too early...I just got mine for barely a month.

This could also be good news in a way.. The more revisions that are released the sooner they will stop selling/producing the original 360. So higher chance if you got the Best buy protection plan, that theyll give you the newer model if yours gets damaged

I dunno, execs make stupid comments like this all the time not recognizing how people will interpret them. They spent something like 2+ years developing this thing, and ran into so many technical limitations they had to use the flat tire look, and now suddenly all of that has been resolved? Has pricing come down in snapdragon processors so much that they can incorporate a new cpu? The industry doesnt just shift like that. My guess is his definition of "2nd gen" is probably something stupid, and is just typical marketing speak from people used to bull****ting and hyping everything all the time.

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I dunno, execs make stupid comments like this all the time not recognizing how people will interpret them. They spent something like 2+ years developing this thing, and ran into so many technical limitations they had to use the flat tire look, and now suddenly all of that has been resolved? Has pricing come down in snapdragon processors so much that they can incorporate a new cpu? The industry doesnt just shift like that. My guess is his definition of "2nd gen" is probably something stupid, and is just typical marketing speak from people used to bull****ting and hyping everything all the time.
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Very possible. Though, as a device developer myself, when I send out iterations of a current gen though, I am already working on the next iteration whether it be a facelift/retrofit, or a second gen altogether; so from an engineering perspective, it is also possible that they had come up with a solution for ambient light a month after sending final specs for manufacturing the first iteration (which has happened to me similarly). Since other android wear makers were not as limited on budgets as Motorola (word is that Google really didn't properly fund them), they were able to come up with similar sized watches with 'better specs'...if Lenovo budgets them correctly, they might have already had a solution for all of this, but not the money...I really love the design of this watch though, and hopefully there is more tangible information on the second version soon. Even in its current iteration, it is a very compelling purchase; I have not been this interested in a device in a long while.

Will I wait?
I saw yesterday that the second version of the moto 360 may be out soon. This feels like a marketing blunder as I can't be the only person now thinking I'll wait

Meh, if it happens and they improve the cracking back, remove the flat spot on screen, and throw in a speaker I'll probably go for it.
I bet we can get at least $150 for the OG model so upgrade $$ shouldn't be that bad...

Grobnic said:
I saw yesterday that the second version of the moto 360 may be out soon. This feels like a marketing blunder as I can't be the only person now thinking I'll wait
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If you think at what release date Motorola said for the first version and what was the final date you can then believe we will see the 2nd version in 2016.
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Any news?

I think that the news saying that the 2nd gen Moto 360 was more of a unbased rumor. We probably won't hear until August of 2015.

I wonder if this was in reference to the gold and slim band versions? I'm ready to pull the trigger on one off of Amazon but these rumors are making me hold my wallet back.

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I wonder if this was in reference to the gold and slim band versions? I'm ready to pull the trigger on one off of Amazon but these rumors are making me hold my wallet back.
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I think a rumor about a v2 moto 360 is way off. Officially it is out for about 4 months now and its considered to be one of the best (if not THE best) choices among Android Wear smartwatches so there is absolutely no reason for moto to show an early v2 of it. I will probably get it next month or early March after HTC`s event. The weird part is that we know we are getting the old processor, the smaller battery, the flat tire display but we still prefer it over LG R. It is just too beautiful to pass.

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I think a rumor about a v2 moto 360 is way off. Officially it is out for about 4 months now and its considered to be one of the best (if not THE best) choices on among Android Wear smartwatches so there is absolutely no reason for moto to show an early v2 of it. I will probably get it next month or early March after HTC`s event. The weird part is that we know we are getting the old processor, the smaller battery, the flat tire display but we still prefer it over LG R. It is just too beautiful to pass.
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Good points.
Yeah, the hardware may be "dated" but it does the job. If that's what Motorola had to do to meet an affordable price point, then kudos to them.
Granted, I'm not a spec whore. All I care about is does it do what I want and is it quality. For the most part, the answer to those questions is "yes", fully realizing that Android Wear is arguably still Beta.
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Moto 360 2nd gen release date
can anyone tell me the release date of 2nd gen Moto 360.
According to this article weararena, the smartwatch release this year, but do not give the time frame.

Until I see a link to a reliable source, I don't believe any "I heard from dis guy who knows a guy" posts.
The first gen is still relatively new with long term kinks not yet discovered.

Nextbit Robin - Doesit worth to buy it in 2017

Since it costs 130 $ now and it support will end in february does its worth to pick it up now? my bugget is 200 $

Yes, I actually just bought myself another one this morning! I think of them as a steal when it comes to the pricing compared to the specs. I have a good feeling they'll support 8.0 since they managed 2 7.0 updates within the year

With your budget you can almost buy two. Colors are limited unless you want Mint, but new ones are going for as low as 109.99 on a certain auction site. From trusted (certified) sellers.
I was "lucky" my three year old decided my Honor 5x needed a bath a couple of months ago when I stupidly left it on a chair. I snagged an emergency replacement NIB Electric Blue Robin for 99.00 by using a rebate code.

marvelljones said:
With your budget you can almost buy two. Colors are limited unless you want Mint, but new ones are going for as low as 109.99 on a certain auction site. From trusted (certified) sellers.
I was "lucky" my three year old decided my Honor 5x needed a bath a couple of months ago when I stupidly left it on a chair. I snagged an emergency replacement NIB Electric Blue Robin for 99.00 by using a rebate code.
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Whered you pick it up for $100? I want that color badly, or the ember :crying:

tlxxxsracer said:
Whered you pick it up for $100? I want that color badly, or the ember :crying:
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A seller on eBay, they were running a sale at 114.00 and I had a 25.00 off 100.00 or more coupon code. This was a couple months ago and if the same seller has any left they're all the Mint color.
I try not to advertise specific sites, but I am not selling any phones at this time and I am in no way related to anyone selling the Nextbit Robin.

marvelljones said:
A seller on eBay, they were running a sale at 114.00 and I had a 25.00 off 100.00 or more coupon code. This was a couple months ago and if the same seller has any left they're all the Mint color.
I try not to advertise specific sites, but I am not selling any phones at this time and I am in no way related to anyone selling the Nextbit Robin.
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Guessing I purchased mine on the same deal - it went for $115 (USD) with a %15 coupon, total of $100.
I looked on slickdeals.net, found that deal post from 2017-06-26 (expired). Seller was BuySPRY:
* https://slickdeals.net/f/10291048-n...ed-android-smartphone-99-99-fs?src=SiteSearch
Seems the same seller has posted three more sales since then, one appears to be going on now.
* $115 on 2017-06-28 (expired): https://slickdeals.net/f/10296728-n...one-115-fs-ebay-daily-deal?v=1&src=SiteSearch
* $105 on 2017-07-17 (expired): https://slickdeals.net/f/10362632-nextbit-robin-is-105?v=1&src=SiteSearch
* $110 on 2017-08-11 (appears to still be live): https://slickdeals.net/f/10454576-n...m-100-gb-online-for-109-99?v=1&src=SiteSearch
Note, I'm not promoting or advocating the seller or sales platform, rather I'm mainly hoping only to report on deal postings. Since I bought my phone, I haven't seen any other deals from other sellers via slickdeals. I would share those too if I found any.
My quick take on buying this phone - true there is no longer warranty service for it if you need to make a new claim. But given that I've bought used phones for more money, with no warranty, makes this phone a good deal for the asking price. This phone is new and has the bonus of continued OS/Software updates through February 2018, even if we don't know how much more development we actually see. The other very positive note, especially for me, is the active XDA development. It's a nice upgrade from my Nexus 4.
Hope that helps.

Ember is incredibly hard to find, I have tried

wouldn't recommend it :/
The phone itself is brilliant when you first get it, but like all phones, deteriorates over time --- but a bit worse than most. The Nextbit system is built based on the Android OS, but an edited version, so originally, as each renewed version of the android OS was released, an update to the Nextbit OS would also be released. However, Nextbit has now been bought out by Razer, and as I understand Razer has since shut down everything related to the Robin. This means that the Android OS continues to be updated, but the Robin's modified OS is not --- & I think this is probably the root of many of my problems with the phone as of now. It's slow, the screen registers touches where there aren't any, the archiving system works too well and deletes apps in the middle of use, and images don't stay on the phone for longer than about three seconds ( and these are by far not the only problems :crying: ). In my opinion, buying the phone now would only cause you grief, since any further updates to the android OS will only further cause issues with the operation of the phone. It's pretty, and alright for the money, but you could get waaaaaaay more functional phones :victory:

Personally, I still think it's a good buy. Snappy phone with a good screen, nice front-facing speakers and 32 GB onboard storage. Although official updates are only through Feb 2018 (which is probably better than a lot of major brands offer for a phone at this price point), there is an active community with good rom support so it will live well beyond.
I picked mine up a few months ago at $140...Running resurrection remix and it's super smooth and fast...no regrets.

The robin is definitely worth buying in 2015, other phones with comparable specs are the moto g4 plus and g5, nexus 5x, and etc, but they all go for at least 100 or even 150 more than this phone. Plus this phones dev support is great, and i wouldnt be surprised if we got custom roms for android 8 a few months after the official release, i got my robin from buyspry on ebayr for 109, great deal for the money. Plus i had a 100 gift card so i really got this phone for 10 bucks, a killer value. That being said the nextbit skin on top of android 100% sucks, and i dont buy into their cloud integration with storage at all. However, its easy to get around all of that with the custom roms, imo they have better performance and give better screen on time. with stock i got about 3 hours, with aicp (my new daily driver) i can put whatever customization on andorid (i have customized it too look exactly like the pixel) i want and still get great performance (4 hours of screen on time)

rahul200023 said:
The robin is definitely worth buying in 2015, other phones with comparable specs are the moto g4 plus and g5, nexus 5x, and etc, but they all go for at least 100 or even 150 more than this phone. Plus this phones dev support is great, and i wouldnt be surprised if we got custom roms for android 8 a few months after the official release, i got my robin from buyspry on ebayr for 109, great deal for the money. Plus i had a 100 gift card so i really got this phone for 10 bucks, a killer value. That being said the nextbit skin on top of android 100% sucks, and i dont buy into their cloud integration with storage at all. However, its easy to get around all of that with the custom roms, imo they have better performance and give better screen on time. with stock i got about 3 hours, with aicp (my new daily driver) i can put whatever customization on andorid (i have customized it too look exactly like the pixel) i want and still get great performance (4 hours of screen on time)
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I get better mileage than that but yes, you got a great deal and the phone is definitely worth it. Worse case scenario, they get rid of the 100gb cloud integration, other than that, it performs well and of course, you cannot go wrong with a 6 core phone. The first thing that I did was root, recovery and rom. The 3 "R's" I don't use the cloud, I use titanium backup for all of its settings that the cloud doesn't offer. AOKP for me has been one of the most rock solid ROMs and has all of the settings that you'd expect plus some. Performance, lag free and smooth gaming. The Robin Stock rom rooted is amazing as well but its just a little heavier then custom and of course, that's because it's the rom with Gapps pre-installed.
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Worth Buying?

Hi,
I love this watch, build quality, specs etc. But is it worth buying it today almost 2 years after its release date? A new one cost a little bi more than $200.
I know google stopped supporting and Oreo isnt comming, how big of deal is that? If so, is it likeley that a ROM will come?

Yes it's worth buying even after two years,I would happily buy it again

hagba said:
Yes it's worth buying even after two years,I would happily buy it again
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Thanks! Do you guys think someone will develop a ROM with OREO for it?

How are the batteries holding up after 2 years?

saqlain_r said:
Thanks! Do you guys think someone will develop a ROM with OREO for it?
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No. Android Wear is not open source which is why you don't see Lineage OS or anything like that on any watches. The only hope for oreo on this device is if someone can get the HW 2 firmware working on the HW once its oreo update is pushed. It's a long shot but not unprecedented since someone got the Android Wear 2.0 (nougat) firmware from the Lg G watch R working on the regular G watch. I think those watches were much more similar hardware wise though than the HW is to the HW 2.

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How are the batteries holding up after 2 years?
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Still have or 40% left when I put it on the charger at night. I have not really noticed any reduction in battery time.

I bought mine last week as a replacement (finally!) of my Samsung gear 2 neo. I absolutely love this watch. I have had a lot of compliments on how it looks, and when I took it to a jeweler to get a couple of the links taken out the shop owner said he was really impressed and had me e-mail him a link to get one for himself. I will have to get another band before I run with it though.

I bought this watch three days ago and could not be more pleased. Very good construction quality, excellent materials, very well designed because it is not sporty or very formal. I knew I would not receive more updates from Goggle, but I still did not hesitate to buy. At the moment I am very satisfied. The watch does everything I was looking for in this type of equipment.

Only complaint is screen burn-in as I have it on all the time. Otherwise still looks good, and I still get compliments.

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Only complaint is screen burn-in as I have it on all the time. Otherwise still looks good, and I still get compliments.
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I haven't had burn in issues. To answer the OP's question, this is probably the best Android Wear watch you can get in terms of features and yes it's still worth buying. The newer watches are good (zen watch 3, Huawei watch 2... etc) but some lack some feature than the Huawei Watch 1 has.

This is the most 'watch like' smart watch you can get - it has all the features you need and looks good. I am always getting asked about it... no one believes it;s an 'old' model!

I just bought mine locally. I got a good price and was blown away when the guy I bought it from opened the box and I saw how beautiful it was. I have a gear s3, but needed something to where when I'm dressed up and this watch fits the bill. Battery life is better than my Gear S3 by far. I don't care about upgrading to Oreo. The watch does everything that I need it to do and looks great to boot.

Totally worth it. My first one broke in March. Decided to get the s3 frontier to replace the Huawei. But it just wasn't the same. I still needed a classy non bulky watch when I dress up. So bought I replacement huawei around December of last year. Got it used and I'm so glad to have this watch again. Very classy looking. I've always received compliments then and I still do now. S3 not once did I get any compliments on it and in my opinion it is too bulky for long sleeve and jackets.
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