As the title suggests. When taking a pic, for example of a wall with a window next to it, the light from the window bleeds into the images like rays and although certain pictures would look cool with this effect, I have no desire for an image I can see clearly with my eyes to be altered by the camera, took the same pic with a galaxy s5 and an iPhone 5 and they dealt with the light just like you would expect your eyes to.
I'm finding this in most shots unless its very well lit, I haven't changed any of the settings on the phone, I'd expect HTC to have got the camera right, third time lucky etc.
Have tried other shooters, like snap camera (which is a great app) but I get the same thing.
Extremely irritating, especially seeing as its meant to be a decent camera this time.
Focus is on the plant.
After altering the image, this is the best I could get..
Try cleaning your camera lens, there may be some oil on it that causes the flares.
chong81 said:
Try cleaning your camera lens, there may be some oil on it that causes the flares.
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Have done mate, its not that. Like I said when there's perfect lighting the camera is spot on, but if the conditions aren't just right the camera just has a brain fart.
Have you tried manually lowering your ISO setting? That usually helps with lighting blowout.
Try ISO 200 as a start point, if too dark give ISO 400 a try.
I just took some similar pics yesterday, low light with a natural light source coming in thru a window in the background. While they were not they greatest, they did come out good, no light streaks like that.
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Have you tried manually lowering your ISO setting? That usually helps with lighting blowout.
Try ISO 200 as a start point, if too dark give ISO 400 a try.
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I've been playing with the settings, raw does enable a greater degree of control, its just that my wife was sat next to me taking the same pic with a galaxy s5, full auto and I was sitting there with my brand new m9 with a sad face her pic came out perfect, she was quite smug and I was annoyed..
Anyway, having had a play about i managed to take some decent pics especially zoomed in ones of my wife's engagement ring, something I've been unable to do on any other phone before, I don't mind working to take a pic, I just find it unusual that it doesn't compete with other devices automatically. There's nothing wrong with the device
Some other pics I took
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Have done mate, its not that. Like I said when there's perfect lighting the camera is spot on, but if the conditions aren't just right the camera just has a brain fart.
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It looks like lens flare. That means a light is shining into your lens when you're taking the shot. Try putting your hand above it, assuming its lights above like you would shield your eyes from the sun. This has the effect of making a lens hood like you see in DSLRs. It also concentrates colour.
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its just that my wife was sat next to me taking the same pic with a galaxy s5, full auto and I was sitting there with my brand new m9 with a sad face her pic came out perfect, she was quite smug and I was annoyed..
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This tells me two things
- she did not take the picture in the exact same position as you. So you could also try moving a bit, to avoid lens flare and try again.
- gs5 is default set to centre weighted metering. If you've not changed it. So metering isn't the problem. the m9 does not offer any choice here, its centre weighted and that's it.
I don't mind working to take a pic, I just find it unusual that it doesn't compete with other devices automatically. There's nothing wrong with the device
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what i learnt about m9 is this auto focus thing, aim it, let it get focus THEN click. As opposed to tapping to focus like with most other devices. Tapping to focus will mess up photos with the m9 and drive you nuts
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It looks like lens flare. That means a light is shining into your lens when you're taking the shot. Try putting your hand above it, assuming its lights above like you would shield your eyes from the sun. This has the effect of making a lens hood like you see in DSLRs. It also concentrates colour.
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This tells me two things
- she did not take the picture in the exact same position as you. So you could also try moving a bit, to avoid lens flare and try again.
- gs5 is default set to centre weighted metering. If you've not changed it. So metering isn't the problem. the m9 does not offer any choice here, its centre weighted and that's it.
what i learnt about m9 is this auto focus thing, aim it, let it get focus THEN click. As opposed to tapping to focus like with most other devices. Tapping to focus will mess up photos with the m9 and drive you nuts
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It was the same position because I took the picture.
I hear you with the auto focus, I am used to clicking the screen and have been taking much better pics, I'm just using raw for all my pics now, haven't took a bad pic since.
Also was a little annoyed that there is no focus alteration and the manual focus only goes so far. Either way overall its still a good camera, just not what I'm used to.
Focus alteration ? you mean focus on something other than the centre.
and what did you find missing with manual focus ?
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Focus alteration ? you mean focus on something other than the centre.
and what did you find missing with manual focus ?
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Focus alteration as in a different metered focus type, ie; centered, spot etc.
With manual focus although I really do like it, i found with objects which are really close up, the slider only goes so far, i'm being nitpicky about that but it's just something i noticed, to see what i mean, try to focus on something close up, the slider just doesn't got that far.
yes its limited to centre weighted.
With close up shots if you use the macro settings you will be able to get closer. thought manual would accomodate this. for a 4mm lens you should be able to get up as close as 5cm.
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yes its limited to centre weighted.
With close up shots if you use the macro settings you will be able to get closer. thought manual would accomodate this. for a 4mm lens you should be able to get up as close as 5cm.
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It's a lot better than other handsets, by far, was trying to take a pic of my wife's engagement ring, was quite hard to do and up close was just not possible. Got a few good ones though.
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It's a lot better than other handsets, by far, was trying to take a pic of my wife's engagement ring, was quite hard to do and up close was just not possible. Got a few good ones though.
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Random comment but Opo does a really good job at macros its actually one of my favorite camera phones for macros. But yeah Macro focus for this phone could be a tad bit better
Teo032 said:
Random comment but Opo does a really good job at macros its actually one of my favorite camera phones for macros. But yeah Macro focus for this phone could be a tad bit better
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Not sure if I've tried it yet, still good it a whirl. Cheers mate
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Just an FYI not to be an idiot like me and take a picture of the sun. I now have a faint black speck on all of my pictures...
You can see it highlighted here: http://i.imgur.com/hatM0.jpg
Pretty faint in the picture, its way more obvious on my screen on the phone.
Post some pics... that sucks.
Oh man, that sucks. Might be worth trying for a warranty replacement from Samsung.
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Post some pics... that sucks.
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Yikes, so sorry to see that.
...Really?
This works like this?
........I'm going to take some pictures of the sun tomorrow. I can't help but be skeptical. I'm pretty sure I have plenty of pictures of the sun, not that they turn out as anything more than lense flares.
OP, what were the circumstances? Did you just take one pic of the sun? Or did you take a bunch of them? An entire photo session of just the sun?
Damn, now I can't wait to try this...I wanna see HDR pix of the sun.
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...Really?
This works like this?
........I'm going to take some pictures of the sun tomorrow. I can't help but be skeptical. I'm pretty sure I have plenty of pictures of the sun, not that they turn out as anything more than lense flares.
OP, what were the circumstances? Did you just take one pic of the sun? Or did you take a bunch of them? An entire photo session of just the sun?
Damn, now I can't wait to try this...I wanna see HDR pix of the sun.
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HDR pic was exactly what did this to my phone.
Since you have to hold the camera still for a few seconds, apparently thats enough to damage the sensor.
Trust me, DONT DO IT
You wouldn't do this even with a DSLR WITHOUT a special sun filter lens! Why in the world would you even attempt this?
Hey, you wanna see something really cool? Grab a magnifying glass and hold it up to the sun and check it out with your bare naked eye!
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You wouldn't do this even with a DSLR WITHOUT a special sun filter lens! Why in the world would you even attempt this?
Hey, you wanna see something really cool? Grab a magnifying glass and hold it up to the sun and check it out with your bare naked eye!
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I lol'd for the way you laid it out in common sense...didn't think about that
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So what would you guys recommend?
I'm thinking I flash back to stock kernel (get rid of the yellow triangle at boot), take it back to a Sprint store and play dumb?
Absolutely play dumb, You're average Sprint tech has no idea how to fix anything more than an earpierce. You'll be fine.
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So what would you guys recommend?
I'm thinking I flash back to stock kernel (get rid of the yellow triangle at boot), take it back to a Sprint store and play dumb?
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It's kind of amazing how common this attitude of "please advise on how to commit fraud" is in this forum.
Ummmm, unless the sensor is organic, it really doesn't work like that. It's possible you damaged the microlenses around that area, but not probable. The camera lens is UV and IR blocked, so the light that actually does any damage is absorbed by those coatings on the lens. The second reason for those coatings is because UV and IR light can cause a color-shift in your images, which is generally undesirable for color-accuracy.
My bet is pure coincidence, or a dirty/scratched lens.
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Ummmm, unless the sensor is organic, it really doesn't work like that. It's possible you damaged the microlenses around that area, but not probable. The camera lens is UV and IR blocked, so the light that actually does any damage is absorbed by those coatings on the lens. The second reason for those coatings is because UV and IR light can cause a color-shift in your images, which is generally undesirable for color-accuracy.
My bet is pure coincidence, or a dirty/scratched lens.
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Pure coincidence that the spot is in the same exact spot that the sun was in the HDR pic I took? I think not sir.
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Pure coincidence that the spot is in the same exact spot that the sun was in the HDR pic I took? I think not sir.
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OK then. What time was the HDR pic, and the approx location of the sun? How many exposures and the exposure times of the HDR shot? Could you post the pics to picasa and keep the EXIFs intact?
I have insurance and will perform the exact same steps (even though I hate HDR). If the camera gets damaged, then it is not performing up to spec and I am not defrauding Sprint. How many thousands of HDR sunset/rise images have you seen and the camera has performed perfectly since? I am still skeptical.
I used to work with light sensors in a research capacity, which gives my skepticism cause.
I'm not a camera expert at all, but I only recently found out that bright light sources can damage your sensor. While trying to find videos of lasers at shows damaging expensive cameras, I happened across one that deals with a Galaxy S in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcKLXVTAeOA
Here's a regular DSLR camera damaged: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0TgaGePhJA
Lesson: don't take your GSII out in a light saber battle.
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OK then. What time was the HDR pic, and the approx location of the sun? How many exposures and the exposure times of the HDR shot? Could you post the pics to picasa and keep the EXIFs intact?
I have insurance and will perform the exact same steps (even though I hate HDR). If the camera gets damaged, then it is not performing up to spec and I am not defrauding Sprint. How many thousands of HDR sunset/rise images have you seen and the camera has performed perfectly since? I am still skeptical.
I used to work with light sensors in a research capacity, which gives my skepticism cause.
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This was the one and only HDR shot I attempted in direct sunlight. Was not sunset/sunrise, this was closer to high-noon sun with no clouds.
The HDR app took 3 exposures over the course of about 3 seconds.
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This was the one and only HDR shot I attempted in direct sunlight. Was not sunset/sunrise, this was closer to high-noon sun with no clouds.
The HDR app took 3 exposures over the course of about 3 seconds.
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OK, I'll give it a go.
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I'm not a camera expert at all, but I only recently found out that bright light sources can damage your sensor. While trying to find videos of lasers at shows damaging expensive cameras, I happened across one that deals with a Galaxy S in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcKLXVTAeOA
Here's a regular DSLR camera damaged: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0TgaGePhJA
Lesson: don't take your GSII out in a light saber battle.
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Typical lasers at a laser-light show have about the same intensity of the sun (1mW/mm^2). These are considered "eye-safe" as blink reaction will interrupt the beam before it can cause any damage. The difference, however, is the sun's intensity is across the light spectrum, while a laser is monochromatic (one wavelength of light).
The typical sensor is a Bayer Array, detecting red, (2) green and blue light, per each sub-pixel, by filtering out everything else. The relative intensity they'll see from the sun will be vastly lower than the intensity they'll see from a laser light.
Furthermore, the "damage" in the OP's sensor is not the same kind of damage found from the lasers. The lasers will take out an entire line in the sensor, not a local area. They'll also destroy the line's ability to capture light-data, not just reduce it to a slightly darkened spot.
My vote is still dust, but I haven't taken a picture of the sun just yet.
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My vote is still dust, but I haven't taken a picture of the sun just yet.
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I'll say it again: Before taking picture, no spot. After taking picture, spot in the exact same place as the sun in the picture. I don't see why you're in denial about this still.
It's possible maybe my sensor was defective and more susceptible to this damage. But I'm 99.99% sure it was the picture I took. But believe whatever you want.
https://picasaweb.google.com/105386435196828062439/September292011?authuser=0&feat=directlink
Several pics of the sun, on a sunny NC day, around 1:30pm. Pics of a white wall included. Will take pics of a white piece of paper if requested. No spots to speak of.
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I'll say it again: Before taking picture, no spot. After taking picture, spot in the exact same place as the sun in the picture. I don't see why you're in denial about this still.
It's possible maybe my sensor was defective and more susceptible to this damage. But I'm 99.99% sure it was the picture I took. But believe whatever you want.
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I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I am saying it's highly unlikely and damage to sensors from light yielded dramatically different symptoms in my experience.
The spot is there. As an avid photographer playing on my experience with light sensors in the past, I'm more inclined to believe it's dust.
I took a few test shots, and the images look great! What are your thoughts on the camera guys?
I found that in dimmer lighting, it is not as impressive as advertised.
I think some of the problem is that the camera needs to be kept pretty still, so more pics are blurry due to phone movement.
I might argue that my N1 camera was better. Slower, but better pics in low lighting.
Hopefully some software tweaks can help this.
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I took a few test shots, and the images look great! What are your thoughts on the camera guys?
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compared to the sgs2 it's not as good.
Personally, I'm at a loss. As far as I can tell, 'zero shutter lag' basically means they've just removed auto focus?
Sure it takes instantaneous photos, but they are often blurry and out of focus unless I tap to focus first, then hold the phone super steady and then press the shutter (which is virtually impossible due to no physical shutter button).
So yeah, not that impressive to me and I don't get this whole zero shutter lag business.
Panorama mode is a total gimmick too, pictures are very tiny... though this is a criticism of ICS camera app and not the SGN's camera setup.
I am happy with the camera so far, I like the fact I don't have to wait 5-6s on my older phone to take another shot
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Here is a quick snap no "Focus Tap"
http://twitpic.com/7toyrq
it has been a hit or miss for me.
so probably when they tried it they got alot of misses lol.
i think the main thing is that a lot of people are going "5MP?!... all the other new phones are 8MP!!"
sure, it may not be able to take pictures at higher resolutions or produce quite the same quality as those 8MP cameras, but the fact that it can snap pictures instantly is a big plus.
that and even if you were to take a pic at "8MP", most likely you're not a professional photographer and you're going to be re-sizing the photo anyway.
In answer to your question, it's due to the fact there are plenty of high quality cameras out there on phones slightly older than this that produce superior photos. The GN is a beast of a phone with the latest mobile technology, but the camera is still a generation or two behind. Disappointing to say the least, but not disappointing enough to prevent me from getting it.
That's why.
Are you guys seriously that dumb?
The phone autofocuses still (without using touch to focus). Zero shutter lag means no lag WHEN TAKING THE PICTURE, AFTER IT FOCUSES.
I can't believe some people have no idea how this works lol. You still need to focus the damn thing, or wait for it to autofocus.
I find that the camera is quite good for taking pictures outdoors, but under artificial light the come out a little off. Mind you this is not messing with any settings, just taking pictures out of the box. I will say that no matter where I take the pictures and under whatever lighting, they turn out much better than my Droid 1 (which I fully expected)
I love the new software I think its a step up from the SGS2 even tho its not quite the 8MP. Yes, it may not beat the pants off the iPhone4s but really its a phone and does the job I want it to..... If I need DSLR quality I will take the DSLR out. Also, for me my pics are mostly viewed on the phone for family and friends...not for family portrait books ect. This topic is just like the battery life issue some are happy and some want perfection.... I want it too... but as our devices get better so do our expectations.
I agree the camera works great in natural sunlight, a little funky indoors under artificial light..However, since I've taken the phone out of the store i've been taking random pictures everywhere and none them have sucked so far...focus, clarity, and color are all very acceptable.
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i think the main thing is that a lot of people are going "5MP?!... all the other new phones are 8MP!!"
sure, it may not be able to take pictures at higher resolutions or produce quite the same quality as those 8MP cameras, but the fact that it can snap pictures instantly is a big plus.
that and even if you were to take a pic at "8MP", most likely you're not a professional photographer and you're going to be re-sizing the photo anyway.
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even if it was a 15MP camera on my phone, i still would take a point & shoot camera for my precious moments..I guess i'm old school..I just use my phone camera for spur of the moment shots..which 5MP is more than adequate for the job.
True, but pics are still only very average even when focused. Poor, poor camera for such an uptodate phone. Google really have dropped the ball on this aspect.
One day a phone will work from all aspects - soon I hope!
It is too early for me to have a solid opinion but definitely better than the Dinc's 8MP. I really like the camera app on my Asus TF I was thinking the stock ICS cam app would be similar.
I think 1080P Video is very good for a phone, second only to iphone for my eye anyway.
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.... want perfection.... I want it too... but as our devices get better so do our expectations.
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A bit on the nose but yes I wanted a N1 but they never came to verizon so I bought it's "cousin" the Dinc. I was awed by it and still am.
The GN...Makes it look like a ugly chunky brick with a dull screen...but so do most modern offerings.
The flash on people's skin (faces, etc) make you look orange, like you have jaundice or something.
I'm sure it will be fixed, just a bit irritating.
Speed is king, though.
The phone takes really blurry photos when I do try it.
Yes, I know what how to focus. Just seems even after it finishes focuses, the images come out blurry.
I've also compared it side by side to an i4s and it's night and day difference in quality.
http://i4c.org/86
Here's one of the better ones i've taken.
But most seem to come out blurry like this
http://i4c.org/88
my camera works great so far. occasional blurry pic but not often.
Can take some great pics.
Far better than my wife's 5mpx HTC Desire!!
For some reason, people think that zero lag means they can take a crystal clear pic instantly, without any kind of focus. Well DUH! lol!
OCCASIONALLY that'll work, but quite rare.
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The phone takes really blurry photos when I do try it.
Yes, I know what how to focus. Just seems even after it finishes focuses, the images come out blurry.
I've also compared it side by side to an i4s and it's night and day difference in quality.
http://i4c.org/86
Here's one of the better ones i've taken.
But most seem to come out blurry like this
http://i4c.org/88
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To me the second one looks a bit more like motion blur instead of bad autofocus. 1/17s wasn't such a fast shutterspeed (low light) so you maybe moved the phone too much while taking the picture. It's not easy to hold such lightweight and thin devices really still.
You could try out another app like vignette which offers an option called "steady shot". Then it will take the picture when the phone is hold almost still - just may take a few seconds until it takes the picture then.
I never use HDR when taking pics on my GS4, because frankly, it doesn't need it. But I saw a couple of pictures taken with the G3 in HDR that looked AMAZING. It makes me think I'll be using HDR quite a bit. My question is, how exactly does the phone know when to use HDR and when not to? Is it somewhat intelligent about when using it would make the picture better?
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I never use HDR when taking pics on my GS4, because frankly, it doesn't need it. But I saw a couple of pictures taken with the G3 in HDR that looked AMAZING. It makes me think I'll be using HDR quite a bit. My question is, how exactly does the phone know when to use HDR and when not to? Is it somewhat intelligent about when using it would make the picture better?
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HDR is used to brighten the dark surrounds of where the lens is pointing towards a bright area.
Without HDR if you took a shot of say looking out of a window the light meter inside the camera exposes the shot for what you see outside the window but unlike our eyes which manage to 'balance the lighting' of everything else inside (surrounding walls) this non HDR shot would make these walls black.
Now take the same shot with HDR and although the exposure is still focused on what you see outside everything else inside the building has it's light lifted, so giving you an effect similar to what your eyes actually see.
The better the camera and I do mean dedicated DSLR type the better the HDR effect.
So, how does it do it......
Well, unknown to you when you take that HDR shot out of the window the sensor immediately notices the lighting is extremely bright in certain areas of the shot. So, instead of exposing the shot to either inside which would result in what is seen out of the window being washed out is extreme brightness or exposing the shot to what is seen outside which results in everything inside being extremely dark, what the sensor now does is say "Hey, let me lift the dark areas and lower the bright areas and give you are more balanced shot"!
It does this by taking two very quick successive shots, one bright areas and one dark areas and then quickly combines the two together.
All you get to see is the final shot.
Some camera apps such as Camera 360 offer a dedicated HDR section where you can control more of the shot.
There is even dedicated standalone apps which concentrate on nothing but HDR.
Had my first day out with the V30 yesterday and just imported the photos and videos from it to my laptop for a closer look to make some initial evaluations. With some very interesting things to note and a lot to dig into further. There's definitely some realities that need to be addressed to better manage expectations.
1) I have no f'n clue what the HDR setting is doing other than making crappy photos. Which is about the same as it was on the V20. It's completely the opposite of what it was on the Nexus 6. On the Nexus 6, if you wanted the best photos out of the Google Camera you could get, you turned on HDR and forgot about it. With LG's Camera app, it's the exact opposite. Turn it off and forget it was ever there.
I still need to figure out the mess that the Google Camera app port has become and DL a copy and see how it does with this sensor.
2) If you shoot manual, there's a noise reduction on/off switch now. Unless you have some decent NR software though or know what you want to do with grainy photos (and I think it will have its uses, I just have to find the right subject), leave it on in very low light conditions. Not only does it tame grainy noise, it also tames a bit of purple fringe that will show up in high gain (high ISO) photos once the electronics start heating up around it.
3) As to that last part of #2: We have to be realistic here. This is a tiny cellphone camera packed in with A LOT of other electronics. If you're shooting several shots in a row or long exposures, either in dark conditions at high ISO, you will see amp glow or purple fringing. It's just a reality. Even DSLRs see it.
4) Digital zoom is digital zoom. If you aren't using just the standard view of each sensor, then you are going to see the limitations of a small sensor. I don't care what cellphone you're using. None of my larger/dedicated cameras have it for many good reasons. You shouldn't expect miracles from a smaller camera.
5) The wide angle sensor actually takes pretty good shots now in most conditions! The wide angle camera on the V20 was full of so many compromises that I avoided it at all costs. If I wanted a wider view than the standard lens, I would use the pano setting on the standard lens. Which is still a great option if everything in the frame is going to sit still but it takes time and patience. It still has distortion though, just not as much as before. You can't focus the wide angle in manual mode but you can in auto. Weird. It doesn't like to focus pointing directly overhead. That was hit or miss. Same rules about the NR and HDR apply here.
6) Video AF in low low light does miss sometimes. Again, just remember this phone doesn't have all the high end AF sensors that some DSLRs have to make sure focus is nailed every single time. Somewhere there's an article about the useful range of all the AF systems on the V20, I assume it still applies to the V30. I'll dig it up if I can to help manage expectations. If I remember right, laser AF is short range, maybe 7 feet.
7) During my import of files from my phone to my laptop, some of my videos lost their audio tracks. Not sure what that's about. I don't remember which ones were auto and which ones were manual but I suspect that's the problem. All videos have sound on my phone though.
8) I suck at video. Kinda hoping to kick myself in the rear with this phone and learn more about it. There's a lot more to manage and I probably won't be happy until I figure out the whole color grading thing and get the look I want. So the log file option ought to be a nice addition.
9) I remember telling someone that I swear I saw a video somewhere of a pre-unit that had the directional mics settings in manual video. Well, I can tell you that I must have imagined that because the unit I have does not have that setting. Just sliders and windcut.
10) And I don't know where LG is hiding it but I don't see 240 fps in any settings anywhere. The fastest video setting I see is 120fps. (Remember, only at 720p) I'm guessing 240 fps is reserved for the slo-mo mode and not available in manual or auto video modes.
11) Selfie camera. Yeah, I've seen the complaints. Are you sure your ugly mugs aren't breaking the camera? I posted this in the first impressions thread and I'll post it here. First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings. Whoever renamed skin smoothing to skin toning should be shot as that's not what I thought that setting was at all. My first thought is that it adjusted the white balance of the skin to give you a rosier glow. Nope. Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero. After that, the image held up well to some post processing and consistently gave me selfies I actually like. They actually remind me of something that might come from..... film.
I'm going to do some more shooting today and I'll try to figure out how to post examples without making you all click through to some other site. I also need to figure out how to get the videos over sound and all so I can give them honest assessments.
Ah, I just remembered something else to look out for.
12) If you shoot in manual and have the RAW option turned on, it isn't like on a real camera where you get the RAW file and a processed version of the RAW file. It shoots two photos. This does two things. One, it means you will see lag as it is shooting two photos for each press. This gets worse with longer shutter speeds. Two, this means unless you're shooting a still life that the RAW and JPG will not match. If you're shooting action like I was last night, you will get two completely different photos.
Interesting. Thanks for you observations.
I'm a pixel owner and I love the camera. It's ace. I really want to like the v30, but so far the real world observations and initial reviews haven't sung the praises of the camera. Are you happy with the camera or is it not worth the hype?
The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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Interesting. Thanks for the summary
I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I probably still have a few more days of testing but just based off of what I've seen in my standardized shooting at the museum, LG has pulled off a miracle with this tiny little sensor.
Like I said above, you have to have realistic expectations and know what the limits are of your gear. That's what a really good photographer does though. They know how the gear works and how to use what it does but also know when it's time to use something else or accept not getting a shot.
This is a tiny sensor. The largest sensor on this whole phone is only 1/3.09". It's smaller than the main one on the V20 but it looks better. That in itself is amazing but I'm not expecting a sensor that's 1/3 the size of the sensor of my smallest camera to match it. Yet that's what some people seem to expect . Which is asinine.
Really the only "failing" I had yesterday was trying to shoot overhead in extremely dark conditions with the wide angle camera and shooting performers wearing all black on an outdoor stage in the dark with just stage lighting (which was changing colors constantly) while moving around quickly. Neither of those surprised me at all. The second condition really is the realm of DSLRs still. The first one, I'm ok with too. That said, what I did get from the second condition, I'm still surprised with.
I've only had one day with it but I think I'm going to get some surprising images out of this camera. Now to teach myself more about video editing.
And again, about the front camera. Once you set those stupid settings to the bottom, you can get more skin detail out of a photo than most people would like to see. Every crease and furrow in my brow line and forehead ,pock mark in my nose, and hairs on my head and beard. From shooting models, I can tell you a lot of people wouldn't want to see that level of detail on their face. So I have no idea what people are complaining about. It's an f'n vanity camera that most people wouldn't want to use to its full potential.
Uploaded a couple of shots. All shots are my normal workflow with a cellphone camera. Shot with the V30 and the jpegs processed in Snapseed. First one is shot with the main camera overhead in a room not known for being well lit at the museum I used to work at. In fact the only real lighting is from some LEDs in the pearl at center. The LEDs are designed to be very soft so they don't degrade the paint and woodwork. The other two shots are selfies taken with indirect sunlight being the only light source indoors. The one with back background is indirect sun through clear glass. The one with the light background is indirect sunlight through very milky glass.
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
Seriously, I'm not sure I'd really want more detail than that. I'm actually quite please with how all of these images turned out so far. I'll try to work up some more shots from the main and wides.
Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet.
And is front face camera really bad?
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I'm not hijacking this thread, but you asked a specific question. There's another thread where the camera is discussed, along with other features, and @keithleger took all his in "auto" mode, to compare the two V30 back cameras, and he also compared it to the Note 8 camera which he's decided to sell.
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-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
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However, he's selling the Note 8 to keep the LG V30.
He posted an album of his first weekend pictures, as well as the comparison shots to the Note 8. The V30 outside shots look FANTASTIC, and even though the Note 8seemed to do better indoors the LG V30 won at least one of the indoor shots, in my opinion.
As for selfies, he gives the same advice as @CHH2.. Turn off the enhancemet crap on the selfie camera.
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For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
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Selfie camera. . First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings.
Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero.
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See, they say the same thing. The only reason I'm mentioning the other thread -- and I do not mean to hijack @CHH2 camera thread -- is because @keithleger has direct comparisons to the Note 8 camera was well as the f/1.6 and wide angle cameras on the V30. Plus he only shot in auto, and didn't do any post processing (to my knowledge).
I appreciate all the work @CHH2 has put into this thread!
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
Going to add one more photo. This one shot in probably one of the most challenging places to shoot, a jazz club. This is probably the cleanest shot I've taken in there with a cellphone. I'm impressed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36883443574/
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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You're welcome. For photos, I never use the filters in the camera apps. I always use Snapseed. It has a lot more control and much more power once you learn how to apply the various filters in combination. The grasshopper only had typical post processing that most photographers would apply; a tad sharpening that is only really noticeable when zoomed in, B&W conversion, bump in contrast, and a bump in shadows to make them a tad darker. Oh, and a crop, maybe threw away a little more than half the overall pixels from the frame as I didn't want to scare it off.
And yeah, for being such a tiny sensor, I'm impressed with the low light shooting. I still want to try shooting in the basement of the jazz club. That's usually territory that I need at least my smaller dedicated camera if not my DSLR. I won't get to try that again until this next weekend.
Decided to try something a little different. This isn't final by any means but this shows what playing around for a couple of minutes in Snapseed with just a couple quick shots can get you: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37605204891/
Looking forward to showing this to my curator friend and watching him fall off of his barstool when I tell him it was all done on one cellphone in under five minutes. (He's pretty much a film guy as is the guy who is the inspiration for this photo. Bonus points if you can name the photographer I'm copying for this photo.)
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure
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Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure[/QUOTE]
I used the front selfie camera with all of those silly settings at the bottom of the frame turned off, set to zero, whatever their values are. Then I just did some quick processing in Snapseed. That's pretty much it. I don't get too complex. And thank you.
Finally figured out a work around so I can hear the audio on the videos I'm importing from the phone to my laptop and can't believe I didn't think of this before. Pulled the videos from their folder over into an empty Chrome browser window and Voila! they played complete with their soundtrack!
So the following is from shooting in a dark jazz club. (Notes, not footage yet. I'll try uploading something to youtube when I figure out what, when, and how.)
Probably the most important observation I see about video from the V30 (and this actually applied to the V20 too) is that loud music can end up jostling the OIS and introduce more shake than it removes.
Another observation is that recording video while in Auto mode, you better make sure you have plenty of somewhat decent light. Tonight while playing around, the screen would be plenty bright all the way up until I hit that little red record button. Then the screen squeezes down and went dark enough that the footage was unusable. Shooting in manual video mode, I was able to get some footage. It wasn't exactly ideal settings that I was shooting with though so the footage is so-so. (Best settings I could get were ISO 3200 and a shutter speed of 1/25. My understanding is that since I had my frame rate at 24fps, I should have had a shutter speed of 1/50 but that just wasn't happening inside that place.)
In manual video mode, it really doesn't like ISO 3200 for some reason. I'd play with a setting and come back and the ISO would be set to 3150 for some reason. I'd bump it back up to 3200, go do something else, come back to 3150. I would have to make sure that's the last thing I tweaked before hitting the record button.
The audio picks up pretty much all the sounds I'm hearing. I need to sit down with headphones and see if there's extra noise being introduced. I suspect dragging the videos into the Chrome browser is exactly the best quality test. It just lets me know the audio tracks are intact in the file which I was a little worried about at first.
I still have a lot more playing around with the video as most of it is new to me.
Is anyone having camera issues?
For whatever reason, when I try to take a photo of my dog, the face looks smeared. Roughly 80-90% of the time. While on my iphone it looks great...I'm kinda bummed out about this and wondering if this is either an issue with my unit, or if this is a common thing with Samsung.
Also, just for some more info, I've tried turning on/off hdr, scene optimizer, and whenever I am ready to take a picture, it looks stunning. Then I hit the shutter button, and it turns out like poop. Barely half the quality of what it looked like before I hit the shutter button.
Here are two pics to compare so you can see what I mean. If anyone has any info regarding this please let me know, thanks.
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Is anyone having camera issues?
For whatever reason, when I try to take a photo of my dog, the face looks smeared. Roughly 80-90% of the time. While on my iphone it looks great...I'm kinda bummed out about this and wondering if this is either an issue with my unit, or if this is a common thing with Samsung.
Also, just for some more info, I've tried turning on/off hdr, scene optimizer, and whenever I am ready to take a picture, it looks stunning. Then I hit the shutter button, and it turns out like poop. Barely half the quality of what it looked like before I hit the shutter button.
Here are two pics to compare so you can see what I mean. If anyone has any info regarding this please let me know, thanks.
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I have always seen this happen on Samsung phones (S8, S9, and S10) when taking pictures in certain lighting situations. Especially inside when taking pictures of a rug or anything slightly fluffy. It is as if it is trying to apply the beauty mode to everything.
Try to get the AF to lock on to the animal's eyes.
A good pro cam can most times; it's a small but high contrast target.
-If you don't grab the eye(s) you lose the shot-
I haven't done any research how this cam's AF works; normally you would point focus AF although it may still target the hair as it's a high contrast target too.
There are a lot of high contrast targets in this shot, the dog's nose, that chair, the dog's hair and the floor boards. Try to limit potential AF targets by keeping the composure simpler and less cluttered with high contrast targets if you intend on capturing a face with the eyes in focus.
Getting closer to the subject makes an AF lock on the eye more likely. Try punching up the yellow focus/tracking square.
Worse with this cam's large aperture it makes for a shallow DOF which means a spot on focus is needed. The aperture setting is fixed so you can't stop it down to something reasonable like f/5.6 however this cam is sharpest at it's fixed aperture. Backing up therefore may help get more of the subject in focus. You need to learn to see through the camera's eye, as it sees rather than your eyes.
It is much more limited than the superb human visual system...
Manual focus is sometimes the only sure fire way to do it. In the pro mode it does have manual focus but lacks the smooth ring control of a good piece of glass found on stand alone cam systems.
A trade off... it's only a smartphone.
First, nice looking dog.
A couple of questions.
What were the lighting conditions?
Was your dog moving?
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Samsung applies way to much noise reduction destroying the details of a photo. This is why it appears like that. Also, there's nasty shutter lag with the stock cam...so you press the shutter to take the pic but it doesn't happen right away simply because hdr is always on no matter if you have the switch off or not. Basically Samsung have rendered there stock camera useless. Get the latest GCam port from arnova....all problems solved.