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Is the Galaxy Nexus still worth it on Verizon half a year after launch? I'm looking to get a phone, and yes it has to be Verizon, and this is really the only appealing one. Don't feel like playing the waiting game.
Yes if you want AOSP android and are willing to deal with potential issues.
m0b1l3 said:
I'm looking to get a phone, and yes it has to be Verizon, and this is really the only appealing one.
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So... you answered your own question.
joshnichols189 said:
Yes if you want AOSP android and are willing to deal with potential issues.
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Damn I just ordered mine.. what issues.. ?
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mursepaolo said:
Damn I just ordered mine.. what issues.. ?
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Just read the forums. People complain about anything and everything. There actually are real issues with signal, call quality and software hiccups... although they effect people differently.
Just use your device. Don't go looking for issues.
Okay, but do you think Verizon's gonna get the s3? Honestly though, I don't really like it. I don't even know if they're gonna change the processor for LTE. Is there a better phone on Verizon?
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Okay, but do you think Verizon's gonna get the s3?
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Nobody knows.
Honestly though, I don't really like it. I don't even know if they're gonna change the processor for LTE.
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Okay... then you don't care.
Is there a better phone on Verizon?
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Completely subjective. Go try them all and do your research then decide. How can I know what you want?
Yes, Verizon along with the other two big carriers as well as US Cellular is getting the S3.
Problems with the Nexus:
1. battery life is terrible. buy the extended battery from VZW, makes a world of difference.
2. Can't transfer data off the phone via usb.
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2. Can't transfer data off the phone via usb.
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Uh. Yes you can. Plug it in, open Windows Explorer (or Android File Transfer on OSX) and transfer files.
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2. Can't transfer data off the phone via usb.
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Can't tell if serious..
Yes, the Verizon Nexus is worth it. Its easily still the best Verizon phone available right now (unless you want the Razor Maxx's battery life).
Like all current smart phones, it's not perfect, but I've found that the latest 4.0.4 update has cleared up most of my software problems. (Been running a leaked build for about a month now, though I switched to stock yesterday so I could get the official OTA update - which came through a couple hours ago).
Only complaints for me right now are hardware related: so-so camera, screen banding, and status bar burn in on the screen (this may or may not be a hardware failure, as some other phones I've seen don't have the issue, but then others have it MUCH worse as well).
I should also note that I live in Phoenix and have great LTE coverage, so I can't comment on any of the network issues that some people have reported.
Ultimately, I would say pick it up and try it out for a while. If it doesn't work for you take it back and wait for another phone to come out.
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I'm having the same dilemma as well, although I have begun leaning heavily to the Gnex simply because after going to the store and checking out the Razr Maxx, it just looked terribly ugly to me.
The sad part is a major deciding factor for me leaning towards the gnex was that I assumed it had an unlocked bootloader (ITS A NEXUS). Now that I know it is not unlocked, I am back on the fence. I know it can be easily unlocked, but that voids the warranty (if they can tell...), do you guys really think VZW would decline a return or exchange based on the bootloader?
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The sad part is a major deciding factor for me leaning towards the gnex was that I assumed it had an unlocked bootloader (ITS A NEXUS). Now that I know it is not unlocked, I am back on the fence. I know it can be easily unlocked, but that voids the warranty (if they can tell...), do you guys really think VZW would decline a return or exchange based on the bootloader?
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Sigh... You realize that having a phone ship with an unlocked bootloader would be a HUGE security problem? Giving full access to the hardware without any user intervention, how is that a good idea?
People need to seriously understand the difference between a locked bootloader (which ALL phones should have by stock) and an encrypted bootloader, which is one that is locked, and not easily unlockable (requires an exploit to unlock).
Just because its locked by default, doesn't mean it can't be unlocked. It literally takes 1 command line prompt: "fastboot oem unlock" to unlock that bootloader and do whatever you want with the device. It can also be easily relocked with just 1 more command prompt as well. Verizon cannot tell you've unlocked once you've locked again, and as long as you're not stupid enough to return a non-stock phone, they will never deny you a warranty claim.
Read up on the subject before you start pulling out these stupid, baseless complaints. I'm tired of hearing people complain about locked vs unlocked bootloaders when they clearly have no idea what it actually means or offers them.
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Sigh... You realize that having a phone ship with an unlocked bootloader would be a HUGE security problem? Giving full access to the hardware without any user intervention, how is that a good idea?
People need to seriously understand the difference between a locked bootloader (which ALL phones should have by stock) and an encrypted bootloader, which is one that is locked, and not easily unlockable (requires an exploit to unlock).
Just because its locked by default, doesn't mean it can't be unlocked. It literally takes 1 command line prompt: "fastboot oem unlock" to unlock that bootloader and do whatever you want with the device. It can also be easily relocked with just 1 more command prompt as well. Verizon cannot tell you've unlocked once you've locked again, and as long as you're not stupid enough to return a non-stock phone, they will never deny you a warranty claim.
Read up on the subject before you start pulling out these stupid, baseless complaints. I'm tired of hearing people complain about locked vs unlocked bootloaders when they clearly have no idea what it actually means or offers them.
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^This
This is the way all Nexus phones have been. You should be grateful Samsung lets you re-lock the bootloaders in case you have any issues. The HTC Nexus One was a permanent unlock.
Gnex is you want Android
iP4 if you want iOS
Those are pretty much the best phones on VZW at the moment.
You shouldn't worry too much about the locked boot loader on the Nexus. It's REALLY easy to unlock/re-lock the phone as needed.
If you're not comfortable doing it manually you can always download a tool to take care of the process for you.
For example: I just used the WugFresh Galaxy Nexus tool to return my phone to it's stock software, with a locked boot loader, so that I could try out the ota 4.0.4 update for a while. As far as anyone else can tell it's always run the stock version of Android and hasn't been fiddled with.
It's also good to remember that unlocking the boot loader on the Nexus doesn't require you to download some b.s. tool like HTC is using, and there's no official record of you playing with your phone.
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tell them your having problems with service, continuous dropped calls, get out of your contract. find an area that gets terrible verizon service, tell them your moving there. they will allow you out. they go grab t-mobile
I've had mine for a couple days and love it!! LTE is awesome, AOKP is awesome and the size is the best!!! Def a good phone still to look at.
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Apparently the s3 is about to come out on Verizon? Do you think I should still go with the GNex? I absolutely hate the design of the s3, and I'm not thinking the quad cor is gonna stay. 2 GB ram however.
Drop Verizon and get the gsm version
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The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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Probably...Maybe...Absolutely and most Definitely LOCKED.
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The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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Of course it will be locked down!!! Us consumers never really OWN our phone that WE purchase!!! So tired of AT&T and others. I sure hope Geohot can bring us some towelroot
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Of course it will be locked down!!! Us consumers never really OWN our phone that WE purchase!!! So tired of AT&T and others. I sure hope Geohot can bring us some towelroot
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Root took a long time for the note 3 but in the end the real fight was and still is the bootloaders. No custom kernels means even with root all you get is basically a bunch of differently themed semi customized stock Roms to play with
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Root took a long time for the note 3 but in the end the real fight was and still is the bootloaders. No custom kernels means even with root all you get is basically a bunch of differently themed semi customized stock Roms to play with
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That's right. I gave up my AT&T note 3 for T-Mobile S5 just for the unlocked bootloader. Although I really would like to see the bootloader unlocked, I can kinda live without unlocked bootloader if I have at least root. I will no longer buy a phone if I can't at least get root. I always wait until root has been achieved before making any purchase. Gotta love HTC for not locking down, but I just don't like their phones that much.
99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.
My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.
1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?
2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.
If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.
I have the same very question.
Being on ATT, will the Note 4 be able to be Rooted, and even more important, allow Custom Recovery for ROM's ? If not, NO WAY I can get the Note 4. And Safestrap is not an option, that's a handicapped and gimped wannabe recovery.
Nice thing with HTC, they openly and officially allow their One M8 to have the bootloader unlocked directly through HTC's own website. I did just that with my ATT carrier One M8, and converted it to a GPE. Would like to see Samsung allow that too.
Without a doubt it will be locked.
Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..
powdered_donuts said:
Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..
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Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.
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Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.
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Yeah I know I'm not falling for the next plan and all that crap not interested in adding more to my monthly bill. I thought about getting the T-Mobile version but I'm starting to just lean towards getting a nexus from google when the new one comes out. Hate to leave Samsung behind but I'm feeling like the time has come to move on
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99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.
My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.
1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?
2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.
If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.
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Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.
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Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.
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Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope that an exploit will be found, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.
I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.
My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.
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Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.
I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.
My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.
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better advice! But you can certainly blindly guarantee that at&t is locked down.
Am I wanting Root for wrong reasons?
I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.
I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.
But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Don't forget adaway, my number 1 use for root, and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.
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..., and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.
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I'll probably look into that. I typically take advantage of subsidy, but may be worth going with TMO. If the Note 4 had 4GB mem, that would make it easier to make the extra spend. I was hoping for a phone that I may be happy with for longer than 2 years. (Of course the root issue may be the driving factor for purchasing the TMO version, irrespective of other considerations).
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I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.
I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.
But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Totally agree with you on all points. Except not sure we "have to root". The Note 4 will be able to handle all "Bloatware" and still fly. Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data. No Nandroid, but if you are not rooting and running the risk of soft bricking and needing to restore a Nandroid, they won't be needed. The cloud for Google will always be there to restore those accounts. The rest you can backup to your sdcard and pc. Not sure I need theming like Xposed offers. As, I am liking the stock look of the S5 which I am running on my S4.
That all being said I would probably get a TMO one on ATT if LTE runs fine and root/flash roms since it is in the blood at this point--
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..Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data...
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Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.
One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.
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Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.
I'll go and read the Wiki.
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A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:
If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.
In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed
...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA
You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.
Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.
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Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.
One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.
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Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.
I'll go and read the Wiki.
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A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:
If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.
In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed
...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA
You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.
Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.
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You can try MyBackUp Pro from Play Store--Have used it for years. Assuming it updates for Note 4--sure it will. You can email them--
Just a friendly reminder that there aren't many of us smart enough to figure out how to root this beast. If we throw a bunch of cash at them that might motivate them to work even harder. Plus, it's totally worth it! What's $50? Too much? Fine, give $5. Whatever you can afford! I bet if we got that pot up to 100k it would get solved pretty darned quick. Let's do it! Don't be a cheapskate!
Thanks for reading. I promise not to tell you what to do other than this one time. Ha!
I agree man
Just sucks so sad that ATT screwing us like this, while T-Mobile gets all the root Recovery love they want, and even Sprint is better, and dare I say Verizon not as bad as ATT is lately
I remember just two years ago, the ATT Note 2 had root and Recovery immediately after release, and the ATT XDA Note 2 forums were jammed packed with ROM's and kernels. Why did ATT make such a drastic change to lock it down so hard now ? Where as T-Mobile allows it to be unlocked with ease ?
ATT allows HTC to still be unlocked, you can buy the ATT One M8 and root it and install custom Recovery out of the box with ease. But no way is that possible with the ATT S5 or Note 4, but why ATT ?
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Just a friendly reminder that there aren't many of us smart enough to figure out how to root this beast. If we throw a bunch of cash at them that might motivate them to work even harder. Plus, it's totally worth it! What's $50? Too much? Fine, give $5. Whatever you can afford! I bet if we got that pot up to 100k it would get solved pretty darned quick. Let's do it! Don't be a cheapskate!
Thanks for reading. I promise not to tell you what to do other than this one time. Ha!
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Just thinking out loud...but at this time shouldn't you all wait for Lollipop to be released on this beast? Word is that it has more security and will be even tougher to root. So say someone roots KitKat..claims the Bounty, then Lollipop comes along and kills root again and those buying new phones with Lollipop preinstalled would be SOL. JM2C...but I also know it takes time to build up pledges.
Umm.. iiif we gain root I'm sure people would be smart enough not to upgrade to Lollipop but wait for a dev to make a Lollipop ROM.
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Umm.. iiif we gain root I'm sure people would be smart enough not to upgrade to Lollipop but wait for a dev to make a Lollipop ROM.
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That won't help people buying phones after the update with Lollipop preinstalled though. They will be stuck without root and have to start another bounty...just thinking out loud. And you would be surprised how many just hit that "update" button while rooted and get stuck in a boot loop.
Assuming root is achieved and someone bought a new note4 it came w 5.0.. couldnt one of those just take the official NIE firmware and flash it via odin.. then they could root and install a 5.0 custom rom?
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Assuming root is achieved and someone bought a new note4 it came w 5.0.. couldnt one of those just take the official NIE firmware and flash it via odin.. then they could root and install a 5.0 custom rom?
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In theory..however Samsung has been matching bootloaders, basebands and OS release. So as seen on other models not having the 5.0 bootloader and baseband will cause the 5.0 ROM to be stuck in a boot loop. So it may be some time before developers crack that. Even an unlocked rootable phone like the Sprint S3 required you to Odin 4.4 before running any stock 4.4 ROMs...the wrong baseband there caused a hard brick. So it is not as simple as it sounds.
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I agree man
Just sucks so sad that ATT screwing us like this, while T-Mobile gets all the root Recovery love they want, and even Sprint is better, and dare I say Verizon not as bad as ATT is lately
I remember just two years ago, the ATT Note 2 had root and Recovery immediately after release, and the ATT XDA Note 2 forums were jammed packed with ROM's and kernels. Why did ATT make such a drastic change to lock it down so hard now ? Where as T-Mobile allows it to be unlocked with ease ?
ATT allows HTC to still be unlocked, you can buy the ATT One M8 and root it and install custom Recovery out of the box with ease. But no way is that possible with the ATT S5 or Note 4, but why ATT ?
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Probably has everything to do with Gov't contracts... Samsung has been singing the praises of it's KNOX system to businesses and the Gov't, to to truly make KNOX effective, it needs to be locked so that you can't disable or remove it. This way if one of their phones gets lost or stolen (and they are using the enterprise security packages) it is even more difficult to get to the data.
Why not allow the folks who want them locked and secure buy special ones so the rest of us can have free and open devices you ask? Because it costs more (time as well as money) to divide up your inventory that way. you'd have to forecast how many of the secured phones you will need and order them that way. But what if that big gov't contract falls through? you are now sitting on potentially thousands of phones that your general users won't want given that they can choose to get the unlocked version. OEM won't simply take them back, unless you pay some sort of restock fee. You could re-flash them yourself with the unlocked ROM, but now you are talking about manually unboxing, flashing and then re-sealing thousands of phones. (Not optimal,)
In the end, you're better off buying an unlocked device up front as opposed to hoping that someone can crack the bootloader later on after the release. It's obviously getting harder and harder for even the truly talented DEVs to crack these bootloaders. I honestly doubt that root will be achieved on this thing prior to Lollipop beginning it rollout. There is a build for it being tested right now with very few issues remaining.
Clock is ticking.... Me? I personally could care less for root at this point. I get un-Godly battery life and performance as it is based upon my usage. Not a popular view with many in this forum, I know. I used to long for root and flash ROMs like crazy myself. It was almost like an addiction.
The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Harmless unless you want to meet up the next time I drive down to Delaware.
There is no sense in waiting on an update for a root exploit that may or may not ever come. S-Off already works on 5.1 but Verizon users are still waiting for a root exploit as before. Odds are you could be waiting a long time. Might as well enjoy the new software while you wait.
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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Plenty of helpful members with Java Cards to get you S-Off now. Best if you can find someone in your area to meet with to avoid shipping the device.
Went that route a couple of months ago and been happily flashing custom Rom goodness ever since.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247
guitarist5122 said:
...it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
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There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !
hallstevenson said:
There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !
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Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
andybones said:
Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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So going forward, after our edge programs are eligible etc etc, what is the best alternative to have an unlocked bootloader and root even be an option without extreme measures? Pay off the edge program and go to T-Mobile and HTC? That way the bootloader can be unlocked from HTC? I'm very thankful to have my M9 rooted and unlocked but thinking ahead, what's the best course of action? Thoughts?
andybones said:
Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
Looks like it's not Safestrap after all. I'm quickly scanning but don't see much details yet. I do see quite a few ROMs available though !
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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
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I hated SS.
I'm not exactly sure how it's done I just have a buddy on SG6 on VZW and loves it, being able to mke ROM.
I do know it isn't SS
"ping pong root"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/root-pingpongroot-s6-root-tool-t3103016
andybones said:
I hated SS.
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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.
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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.
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only reason i had to use SS was cos my dad got a new phone and gave me his old sg3, and at this point it had 4.4.4 so bootloader couldnt be unlocked anymore and had to use SS, it was horrible imo
I wonder why google has made it so simple to unlock the bootloader on the Google Play version of the Pixel phones while at the same time they are supposedly pushing so hard to make achieving root more difficult with Android 7?
Is there any benefit of having an unlocked bootloader without root access? If so what is it?
Flashing factory images instantly is one benefit.
norcal61 said:
I wonder why google has made it so simple to unlock the bootloader on the Google Play version of the Pixel phones while at the same time they are supposedly pushing so hard to make achieving root more difficult with Android 7?
Is there any benefit of having an unlocked bootloader without root access? If so what is it?
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Root was achieved on Nougat when it was in beta. It's the new partition layout of the pixel that makes the current method unusable. But the guy behind SU gets one soon and will figure it out. Things change. They aren't making it harder. If they wanted to make it harder they would lock the bootloader down like Verizon.
Gizmoe said:
Root was achieved on Nougat when it was in beta. It's the new partition layout of the pixel that makes the current method unusable. But the guy behind SU gets one soon and will figure it out. Things change. They aren't making it harder. If they wanted to make it harder they would lock the bootloader down like Verizon.
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I don't know how valid they are but I've read several articles claiming the Google is purposely trying to make it more difficult for devs to accomplish root. If that is true it doesn't make any sense that the bootloader isn't locked down right outta the gate. Idk. Just hope we get root for these things soon. I spent forever on at&t with both a galaxy s 4 and a note 4, waiting for ever for root, which as far as I know never came. If it did it wasn't until after I moved on. I hope that doesnt happen with the pixels.
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I don't know how valid they are but I've read several articles claiming the Google is purposely trying to make it more difficult for devs to accomplish root. If that is true it doesn't make any sense that the bootloader isn't locked down right outta the gate. Idk. Just hope we get root for these things soon. I spent forever on at&t with both a galaxy s 4 and a note 4, waiting for ever for root, which as far as I know never came. If it did it wasn't until after I moved on. I hope that doesnt happen with the pixels.
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As long as you have the google store version it's just a matter of time. I'm guessing by December. When the layout of a device changes as drastically as the pixel it takes the devs behind the exploits to rewrite code. Chain fire stated somewhere I read that he was only waiting for it to ship to him and then he will start coding for it. Also devs like beanstown are getting one in November and then purenexus Roms will follow. Beans stated specifically he was not getting the device if those rumors were true and he is getting the device. It means that google is releasing the source. They all ready released kernel source as I see despair has a kernel in the dev section. This all means that it can and will be done. Just be patient. Google store devices get all the attention. The pixel will be no different.
Everything will be fine, most odd the devs don't even have the phone yet. Chainfire will figure it out, once we figure out out the partition layouts, its just a matter of time before we can flash twrp, which allows us to flash su.. . All in time my good friends. Blame Google for their slow shipping times
Skipsoft made it sound like Root was already available but wasn't getting enabled/released until after TWRP is released.
I sort of thought that was weird.
After reading this thread, I'm bummed out.
Didn't realize we were still waiting on Chainsoft, et.all. to get the phone still.
My XL arrived today and there are a few dozen apps I can't install until after Root is available.
Ugh.
http://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-root-chainfire-724857/
Pixel news in general getiing better and better. Unlocked VZW bootloader, root and tmo giving you $325 back, all we need is some in stock ahem...gooooogle..