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I am a hiker so I need a phone with waterproof feature, I had Moto Defy before and now Sony LT26W.
Sometimes I put the phone in my pocket when I was walking or climbing and it was always sweat drenched. Water did not break through the protection, but I think that the vapour couldn't be stopped because the water vapor molecule is much smaller than water droplet.
Now, both the two phones work not very well, always crash for no reason.
dot.Age said:
I am a hiker so I need a phone with waterproof feature, I had Moto Defy before and now Sony LT26W.
Sometimes I put the phone in my pocket when I was walking or climbing and it was always sweat drenched. Water did not break through the protection, but I think that the vapour couldn't be stopped because the water vapor molecule is much smaller than water droplet.
Now, both the two phones work not very well, always crash for no reason.
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that's smart dude!
I think there isn't a phone that is vapor proof but you can try covering holes or using tight casing.
Its moisture i guess
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does our z1c is water resistent in regular water only?or we can shoot pics or videos up to 1 meter in the ocean too?
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does our z1c is water resistent in regular water only?or we can shoot pics or videos up to 1 meter in the ocean too?
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Lets put it this way, the shell stops liquid ingression, as long as the particles aren't smaller than regular water then they won't make it inside. What will happen in seawater is that the salt and other chemicals in the seawater will start corroding your O-rings, and eventually they will fail. After exposing your phone to seawater I would recommend washing it in clean water and cleaning the seals with a damp piece of cloth afterward.
I wouldn't, for example, recommend you go swimming in the ocean with it every day for a month.
Aha got it, and what about like 5-6 days for about total 30minutes a day?
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vigorito said:
Aha got it, and what about like 5-6 days for about total 30minutes a day?
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As long as you clean it like I mentioned earlier after each exposure.
Is it worth it though? You won't get any reception in the water, you can't use the touchscreen and the speaker will sound like crap. Yeah it's fun for a while, go take some water photos, just be careful with your expensive phone.
Oh, and don't hold me responsible if it breaks due to my advice.
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does our z1c is water resistent in regular water only?or we can shoot pics or videos up to 1 meter in the ocean too?
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Actually in ocean water there is a chance of getting short circuit through magnetic charger pin.. So sony dont recommend to use it in ocean water but I saw someone in xda reported that z1c survived ocean water...
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coolkoushik07 said:
Actually in ocean water there is a chance of getting short circuit through magnetic charger pin.. So sony dont recommend to use it in ocean water but I saw someone in xda reported that z1c survived ocean water...
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In order to actually cause any damage the current must be pretty large, that's not going to happen in ocean water. What could happen is dock mode being triggered, and the phone might think its charging, but I doubt it would cause any permanent damage.
Rekoil said:
In order to actually cause any damage the current must be pretty large, that's not going to happen in ocean water. What could happen is dock mode being triggered, and the phone might think its charging, but I doubt it would cause any permanent damage.
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I have read it somewhere that sony officially warned to not to use in ocean user.. It is better to be warned than blaming the phone later..
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coolkoushik07 said:
I have read it somewhere that sony officially warned to not to use in ocean user.. It is better to be warned than blaming the phone later..
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I doubt Sony have said anything official beyond what they state in their IP58 certification where it specifically says "clean water". Meaning water with a neutral pH value. The reason for this is the salts and other chemicals in seawater start to corrode the O-ring in our seals, eventually causing them to leak.
well i will report in a first or second week of july if phone survive salt water,ill test it while shooting vids and pictures of the ocean reff,like i said ill try to use it 5-6 days maximum 30 minutes a day in a several times
I would say that it can survive, provided the flaps are closed and the phone is still waterproof.
like few posts above, the salt in the water may actually damage the loudspeaker and corrode the rings. don't forget its made of metal.
i think its ok to use it for few pics for quick video but needs fresh water cleaning after to clean up the salt in the headphones jack or the speakerphone.
also if u take a macro pic of the camera lens, there is small gap between the back cover and the glass (check my posts i posted some nice macro shots of the camera lens) so things might get inside.
think about the waterproofing as a protection, not as a feature.
so get a call in the rain, but don't go swimming / snorkeling every chance you have.
Didnt understand this with macro pics
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Anyone gone swimming or showered with the Moto360 ?
Sorry if the question sounds absurd but would like to hear if anyone has done so or done so regularly and if there are any issues. I practically wear my casio 24x7 ... so just wanted to know.
Thanks.
The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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Thanks. I just don't understand if it is really that much harder to make it fully waterproof when so many normal watches are water proof.
I wonder if the limitation is really around the wireless charging as most waterproof watches needs a steel back screwed on or due to the touch screen.
Well there are several spots that water could eventually infiltrate, if hot and or if a jet spray. The button, the back, the USB sticker, etc. Also, with a smart watch it is definitely more difficult to seal as opposed to a full steel case with screwed on back plate as you mentioned. To top it off, if I were Motorola I would stay conservative on what I had the device rated for to try to keep down issues of people seeing "waterproof" and going hog wild at the amusement park or cash wash with high pressure spray hitting the device.
Here's a video try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khmC5EwdwqQ
And here's what Moto says:
Is my Moto 360 water resistant and water proof?
Moto 360 is water resistance, meaning it can sustain sweat and rain.
Water resistant in up to 1 meter of fresh water for up to 30 minutes. Exposure of leather band to water is not recommended.
Note: Moto 360 is IP67 rated.
That being said, I have not tried it.
I used mine in the shower its was fine however the water makes the screen flip out because it detected the water as the screen being touched which is normal however because the display can be waked by tapping it it was difficult to stop it from doing things while wet. So yes you should be fine in the shower. however if you decide to do anything ridiculous with yours don't come crying to me about water damage. I'm not liable for your actions. but mine was fine.
I drive a motorcycle, have been caught in some heavy rain with the M360, no issues thus far. Everything works fine.
I wouldn't recommend swimming in a pool or taking a shower with it on, there is no point really.
Well I mean I poured a bottle of water over mine to freak out my friends, but that is within the ip67 certification. Shower and pool really aren't.
Showered and washed dishes with it.
Like some people said- the screen flips out if you shower with it, as it senses every little drop of water as if it's been touched.
EDIT- btw, jets of water in the shower?? What kind of awesome jet shower head do you guys have?? Mine just spits water out with a very reasonable amount of pressure.
Btw I read on motos support site that they don't replace devices with water damage so I'd be very careful
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Safe to wash hands with it, you think?
I work in a restaurant and I'm always washing my hands.
raduque said:
Safe to wash hands with it, you think?
I work in a restaurant and I'm always washing my hands.
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I work in a hospital and have no problems washing my hands... But I do take off the watch to take a shower.
You can't wear it in the shower, because as others have stated the screen goes ape-sh*t...
Same goes with jacuzzi or probably pool...
My Gear 2 had the option of only waking the screen by pushing the button, but 360 doesn't have that option yet
Wore my gear 2 in the shower all the time and they are rated the same. I never had any issues... I got that thing wet all the time never had an issue. Wore it in the river for about 4 hours and was fine as well. That is until I got tackled and it went floating down the river haha
Also know someone who threw their Galaxy S5 in a hot tub for 30 minutes and it was fine!
I shower with mine all the time. I use WearLocker to lock the screen so it doesn't go crazy. No issues so far.
It is high time there was a consumer protection law requiring all manufacturers provide free repair for water damage of water resistant, waterproof or weather-sealed products, regardless of warranty status unless a) the device is clearly labeled with a maximum depth and the manufacturer can prove it was exceeded, or b) the manufacturer can prove the damage happened prior to immersion. As is, it borders on fraud to advertise a product as capable of withstanding one meter immersion for half an hour, and to then say water damage is not covered under warranty in any circumstances.
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fylim said:
Thanks. I just don't understand if it is really that much harder to make it fully waterproof when so many normal watches are water proof.
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Just so you know, there is absolutely no such thing as a "waterproof" watch. There are only varying levels of resistance. Even watches that are rated to a depth of 100m can't have their buttons pushed while under water; they'll leak. Diving watches also have limits. Ever noticed how much larger electronic devices are when they are certified for diving? Do you really want that on your wrist? There's additional concerns with a device like this as well...as in the discharge of heat. You don't want the processor to overheat just because the whole thing has been insulated against water to a ridiculous degree. And it has a capacitive display. Not so great in water. Not really necessary to further waterproof the thing. (A little bit more would be nice...perhaps IP68?).
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The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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WTF I already took mine scuba diving 30m and it's fine!
The water just drained right out :laugh:
There's just something about electronics and water that has always frightened me.
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It is high time there was a consumer protection law requiring all manufacturers provide free repair for water damage of water resistant, waterproof or weather-sealed products, regardless of warranty status unless a) the device is clearly labeled with a maximum depth and the manufacturer can prove it was exceeded, or b) the manufacturer can prove the damage happened prior to immersion. As is, it borders on fraud to advertise a product as capable of withstanding one meter immersion for half an hour, and to then say water damage is not covered under warranty in any circumstances.
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I strongly disagree. Companies should not have to pay for the lack of common sense on the users' part.
Had a shower with the moto 360 hoping nothing would happen after seeing all these videos. Everything was fine until the next day when I took it off the dock. Water went inside of the screen and it has messed it up. Motorola have stayed that they won't repair water damage so right now I have a ****ed up watch...
I damaged mine over a month ago, wading from across a pool. Watch never went lower than 3" underwater as waded/walked 50' to get to the pool bar LOL. That short 40seconds was enough to let water in and mess it up. Mine constantly thought it was plugged in.
You best bet would be to register your device and see if you can get Moto's extra accidental coverage. This was not available when this happened to mine, so I opted for the $100 at fault replacement program. They sent me a brand new watch and I sent the defective one back.
Motorola's specification on the 360 is "water resistant IP67" if you go look up the specification IP67, it says:
6 = Dust tight , No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight),
7 = Immersion up to 1 m Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes. The lowest point of enclosures with a height less than 850 mm is located 1000 mm below the surface of the water, the highest point of enclosures with a height equal to or greater than 850 mm is located 150 mm below the surface of the water
So, since you did not exceed the specification, I would contact Motorola again and ask for management, state that the watch failed their advertised specification and insist on them replacing/repairing it.
I don't get you guys sometimes. Why even take it in the shower in the first place? Just because something says it is water resistant, don't mean you have to test it out!
Agreed, it was kinda stupid to take it in the shower, but regardless Motorola states it's IP67, so they have to stand by that claim and replace your watch. Don't take no for an answer, they're full of **** if they won't honour their warranty.
brew1brew said:
Motorola's specification on the 360 is "water resistant IP67" if you go look up the specification IP67, it says:
6 = Dust tight, No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight),
7 = Immersion up to 1 mIngress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion).Test duration: 30 minutes. The lowest point of enclosures with a height less than 850 mm is located 1000 mm below the surface of the water, the highest point of enclosures with a height equal to or greater than 850 mm is located 150 mm below the surface of the water
So, since you did not exceed the specification, I would contact Motorola again and ask for management, state that the watch failed their advertised specification and insist on them replacing/repairing it.
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That's not true. A shower, swimming in shallow water, wading in a pool - These all exceed the ip67 spec because of the pressure requirement . These watches can handle being submerged in 1 meter of water. They can handle one meter of water pressure. Showers, wading, swimming all exceed the equivalent of one meter of water pressure EVEN IF they were never actually over a meter underwater.
Reminds me of all the people who put their iphones in the sink thanks to iOS water protection update. Why on earth would you test something like this just for the sake of testing it? Gorilla glass supposedly can withstand being hit with a hammer or axe or nailgun or whatever. Does that mean you are going to bash your phone on purpose just to find out? Really hard to feel sorry for people.......
Same thing happened to me: went to an hotel pool (i.e. a very shallow one), started swimming (I'd say 30 to 40 meters) before I thought about removing the watch.
When I pressed the button, the screen stayed black, so I knew I was in trouble.
To make a long story short: the watch would occasionally accept to start, when plugged to the charger for a while, but wouldn't go past about 15% before starting to discharge again (still on the charger).
I knew I was busted (purchased the Moto 360 while traveling in the US, but back in France there's no Best Buy close at hand to have it replaced, even at a cost), so I decided to play my last card:
Following the instructions from iFixit, I removed the back cover. It sure was a bit tricky, but I was able to do it nonetheless. The sad thing is that the back cover is now cracked, but then the Moto 360 had already proven that it doesn't like water anyway, and I've been using a carbon-like skin on the back right from the start, so I don't think I lost much protection to water. The trick to remove the back is to heat the watch, which I did by wrapping it in a water bag (actually a microwave-heated cherry stone bag).
After removing the cover, I put the Moto 360 in a sealed box with some silica gel, and applied vacuum to the box for good measure (don't know how effective this last part was, though), and let it dry for a couple of days.
When I removed the Moto 360 from the box, and put it on the charger, I was able to get it to charge fully again. So I re-heated the Moto 360 and coverplate, re-sealed it the best I could, and I've been using it happily since.
Note that my first attempt to put the Moto 360 in a box with silica gel without removing the back cover wasn't successful, which means that the watch is sealed just enough to prevent water getting in or out when you leave the watch alone, but obviously when you swim in a pool (or take a shower), you add some pressure that lets water get in.
That was a close call for me, I hope that by sharing my experience I can help people to recover a usable watch, if like me you've got no way to ask for a replacement.
My advice: stay on the safe side, don't push the limit when it comes to the Moto 360 and water!
It's strange to see how commonly people mistakes the term 'water resistant' with 'water proof'...
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To those who have had their watches messed up from getting them wet, were you using the included strap or a different one that was putting pressure on the plastic back plate away from the watch?
yeah, umm... i never even thought about getting my 360 near water ip67 claims or not. smh.....
You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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To those who have had their watches messed up from getting them wet, were you using the included strap or a different one that was putting pressure on the plastic back plate away from the watch?
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As for me, the leather band had been replaced by a silicon one... It certainly could have an influence, indeed.
freeza said:
You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
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Well, I partly agree with that. Why would anyone intentionally test the limits of a potentially expensive device, then have to spend some time arguing with the vendor that it doesn't meet the advertised specs? The trick is, IP 67 certification isn't particularly explicit about what you can or can't do with it, so it probably wouldn't hurt to err on the cautious side.
I was used not having to care about water with my Pebble, though (5ATM waterproof), so I lost the reflex to remove my watch before getting near a pool. I'd certainly have thought to remove it if I planned some serious swimming, but then I only intended to get wet to stay cool while enjoying the sun, and I forgot about the watch.
And as far as shower is concerned, I personally try to clean the area between the arm and the band, so I'd never get into the shower with my watch. Especially one that you have to recharge nightly, and which as such doesn't even stay all the time around your wrist. So I guess it all depends what your personnal tastes are...
From my understanding, it's not warrantied against damage in the shower, because imagine how much more pressure those shower jets put out compared to just sitting in a few feet of water
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You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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My car came advertised with airbags. Drove it off the forecourt, got it up to 70mph then slammed it in to a tree.
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My car came advertised with airbags. Drove it off the forecourt, got it up to 70mph then slammed it in to a tree.
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Since I knew someone was going to try and use that, I added the "in normal practices, not extreme" part.
imo, some common sense is necessary. if you look at the watch it has holes in it on the side and the back of the watch. the watch clearly states that it is water resistant. i personally was not interested in testing the validity of those claims based on the fact that is said 'resistant'. if it said waterproof i would understand.
but as some one else stated who takes a shower with a watch on? why?
freeza said:
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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Why would you be angry? IP67 covers being submerged in water. It can handle up to a meter of water pressure. It can't handle the pressure from a shower head or swimming with it on. The average water pressure in a home is 60psi. THAT IS ALMOST 4 TIMES WHAT IP67 IS RATED FOR. Taking a shower with the S5 would be a bad idea as well.
It's like complaining your 360's 300mah battery can't charge up to 900mah. It doesn't make sense.
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Why would you be angry? IP67 covers being submerged in water. It can handle up to a meter of water pressure. It can't handle the pressure from a shower head or swimming with it on. The average water pressure in a home is 60psi. THAT IS ALMOST 4 TIMES WHAT IP67 IS RATED FOR. Taking a shower with the S5 would be a bad idea as well.
It's like complaining your 360's 300mah battery can't charge up to 900mah. It doesn't make sense.
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It's nothing like that. My Moto 360 survived being put under running faucet water to show my friends. It not being able to survive a shower says to me bad unit.
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It's nothing like that. My Moto 360 survived being put under running faucet water to show my friends. It not being able to survive a shower says to me bad unit.
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It's exactly like that. Just because your moto 360 once survived 4 times the water pressure it's rated to be able to handle doesn't mean any that fail to do so are defective.
I cant find i fo if the watch is water proof or not. When i wash my hands, I am careful not the make the watch wet, but anyone found an official statement on how water resistant this watch is?
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It is rated at IP67 which means Protected from total dust ingress. Protected from immersion between 15 centimeters and 1 meter in depth.
Yep, IP67. But with that said, on page 8 of the QSG that comes with the watch:
Water resistance
You can wear your HUAWEI WATCH when you're washing your hands or
in the rain. But wipe it dry if it comes into contact with water.
Do not wear it when washing cars, swimming, diving, scuba diving,
or showering.
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Max Lee on you tube says he showers with his,and shows video,however pretty quick,of the watch in a bowl of water.
For now I take mine off to shower.