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So I've now purchased a wall charger and a car charger that both have QC 3.0 and claim to support the HTC 10, but neither of them show the "Charging rapidly" when charging my device. Only when I use the original charger or an external battery with QC 3.0 does it display that. Is it possible that it's still charging using QC 3.0 while charging if it doesn't display the "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen? I really just want a car charger and additional wall charger with multiple ports that will rapidly charge my HTC 10. I'm really sick of buying accessories that do not when they say they support the HTC 10.
These are the accessories I've tried and none of them will display "Charging rapidly":
http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Charge-...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-Trons...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
This battery does display "Charging rapidly":
http://www.amazon.com/Qualcomm-Cert...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Any ideas?
THIS is a good multi port charger I have one and it quick charges and displays on the phone it is. I use this cable on it.
For a car charger I use THIS and it quick charges no problem with THIS cable
I am wondering the same thing... what does a cable or charger need to provide fast charging... I wonder if it's the cables because I got one from amazon and use it with the htc charger that came with the phone and it does not "quick charge," it only does it with the cable it came with. I bought this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Fusion4K-USB-...d=1464288411&sr=8-24&keywords=fusion+4k+cable
PaoloMix09 said:
I am wondering the same thing... what does a cable or charger need to provide fast charging... I wonder if it's the cables because I got one from amazon and use it with the htc charger that came with the phone and it does not "quick charge," it only does it with the cable it came with. I bought this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Fusion4K-USB-...d=1464288411&sr=8-24&keywords=fusion+4k+cable
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I just made sure they were the latest cables, the ones you linked to are USB 2.0 and 480mbps. while I made sure to get USB 3.1 to USB 3.0 cables and have 5gbps. I know the speeds really don't have much to do with charging say, but I think the generation of cable has a lot to do with it
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I just made sure they were the latest cables, the ones you linked to are USB 2.0 and 480mbps. while I made sure to get USB 3.1 to USB 3.0 cables and have 5gbps. I know the speeds really don't have much to do with charging say, but I think the generation of cable has a lot to do with it
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Hmmm.... good point, if someone could confirm this maybe? Does make much more sense, I guess I should've read better. I will just get one of your cables because I just recently bought a QC 3.0 car charger and there's no point in it if it ain't fast charging.
So the Aukey multi-port charger came with a USB-C cable and it claims to support the HTC 10, so it's infuriating that it doesn't work.
I use this wall charger and it shows "charging rapidly" on the screen. I have an older cable with the micro usb connection, so I use this adapter to make the connection to the phone. Combined, they work like a charm.
m_kranzler11 said:
So I've now purchased a wall charger and a car charger that both have QC 3.0 and claim to support the HTC 10, but neither of them show the "Charging rapidly" when charging my device. Only when I use the original charger or an external battery with QC 3.0 does it display that. Is it possible that it's still charging using QC 3.0 while charging if it doesn't display the "Charging rapidly" on the lock screen? I really just want a car charger and additional wall charger with multiple ports that will rapidly charge my HTC 10. I'm really sick of buying accessories that do not when they say they support the HTC 10.
These are the accessories I've tried and none of them will display "Charging rapidly":
http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Charge-...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-Trons...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
This battery does display "Charging rapidly":
http://www.amazon.com/Qualcomm-Cert...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
Any ideas?
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Are you using a USB-C to USB-C cable? those accessories only have quick charging on the USB-C port. If you buy new ones make sure to check what ports support the QC 3.0. Sometimes the only have one port that has the QC and the rest are normal 2 amp ports.
I've just ordered the Aukey 6 port USB Quick Charge 3.0 Wall Charging Station from Amazon UK (link below), so I'll test it once it comes in and post here with the results. One thing I noticed is that the Aukey hub only supports QC3.0 on the USB-C plugs, not the USB2 ports. I'll be using this to charge my HTC 10 and my Pixel C using the USB-C ports and USB-C cables for both devices so I can see if both QC3.0 AND USB-C Rapid Charging works at the same time. The remaining USB2 ports I'll use to plug my Qi charging pads into and my smartwatch charger. Looking forward to not having so many plugs lying around.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Charger-Te...EFN8/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A2UZUMHNJKCOJU
I'll let you all know once it all comes.
Okay, so I just got delivery for all my bits in my previous post. I've made sure both my HTC 10 and my Google Pixel C ran down the battery to 20% on each and plugged them both into the USB-C ports on the Aukey charging station using USB-C to USB-C 3.1 cables, both 3 foot long. I'm not using any of the cables that came with my tablet or phone or the USB-C 2.0 cable that comes with the Aukey charging station, I am using Belkin USB-C to USB-C 3.1 cables.
Using the Belkin USB-C 3.1 cables both my HTC 10 and Pixel C show Charging Rapidly after around 45 seconds on the lock screen with a time remaining counter.
Using the Aukey USB-C 2.0 cable that came with the Aukey charging station I do not get Charging Rapidly at all on my HTC 10, I only get "Charging" and a percentage.
However, I do get Charging Rapidly with time remaining counter on my Pixel C when using the Aukey USB-C 2.0 cable.
Based purely on my own testing, I would make sure you use high quality cables, preferably the 3.1 gen cables and then nothing will be slow. I have no idea why the USB-C 2.0 cable doesn't like to Quick Charge my HTC 10, and I don't have any other gen 2.0 USB-C cables to try out, so sorry about that.
I hope that helps some of you out.
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Okay, so I just got delivery for all my bits in my previous post. I've made sure both my HTC 10 and my Google Pixel C ran down the battery to 20% on each and plugged them both into the USB-C ports on the Aukey charging station using USB-C to USB-C 3.1 cables, both 3 foot long. I'm not using any of the cables that came with my tablet or phone or the USB-C 2.0 cable that comes with the Aukey charging station, I am using Belkin USB-C to USB-C 3.1 cables.
Using the Belkin USB-C 3.1 cables both my HTC 10 and Pixel C show Charging Rapidly after around 45 seconds on the lock screen with a time remaining counter.
Using the Aukey USB-C 2.0 cable that came with the Aukey charging station I do not get Charging Rapidly at all on my HTC 10, I only get "Charging" and a percentage.
However, I do get Charging Rapidly with time remaining counter on my Pixel C when using the Aukey USB-C 2.0 cable.
Based purely on my own testing, I would make sure you use high quality cables, preferably the 3.1 gen cables and then nothing will be slow. I have no idea why the USB-C 2.0 cable doesn't like to Quick Charge my HTC 10, and I don't have any other gen 2.0 USB-C cables to try out, so sorry about that.
I hope that helps some of you out.
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Mine does not show Charging Rapidly even though I use HTC supplied charger and cable! Do I need to activate it or what? I am using and EU plug converter to my US charger, might that be the problem, although I doubt it just passes on the same supply, its not a frequency/voltage converter.
Thank you for your help!
fidanhGPE said:
Mine does not show Charging Rapidly even though I use HTC supplied charger and cable! Do I need to activate it or what? I am using and EU plug converter to my US charger, might that be the problem, although I doubt it just passes on the same supply, its not a frequency/voltage converter.
Thank you for your help!
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I'll check tonight and let you know later, but I'm pretty sure that the charger that comes the HTC 10 in the box is NOT a Quick Charge 3.0 Rapid Charger... Which would explain why you are not seeing "Charging Rapidly" with the original charger and USB cable. I may be wrong, but I will let you know either way in this thread as it is honestly something that I did not look at when I got my phone. Mine is a UK model bought in-store in the UK so what you get in the box may vary depending on the region you purchased from.
Cheers
fidanhGPE said:
Mine does not show Charging Rapidly even though I use HTC supplied charger and cable! Do I need to activate it or what? I am using and EU plug converter to my US charger, might that be the problem, although I doubt it just passes on the same supply, its not a frequency/voltage converter.
Thank you for your help!
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The supplied HTC charger and cable are QC 3.0 compatible. They show "Charging rapidly" when I connect my phone.
The iClever 24w QC 3.0 charger works with the orange-e 3.1 usb c. It displays "chargin rapidly". This is probably unrelated, but the charger doesn't show it as chargin rapidly, but the phone does.
svmpatel said:
I'll check tonight and let you know later, but I'm pretty sure that the charger that comes the HTC 10 in the box is NOT a Quick Charge 3.0 Rapid Charger... Which would explain why you are not seeing "Charging Rapidly" with the original charger and USB cable. I may be wrong, but I will let you know either way in this thread as it is honestly something that I did not look at when I got my phone. Mine is a UK model bought in-store in the UK so what you get in the box may vary depending on the region you purchased from.
Cheers
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The supplied charger is definitely a quick charge 3.0 charger, it even says it on the power brick. It doesn't matter what region you are in, all of them come with a quick charge 3.0 charger.
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Lancerz said:
The supplied charger is definitely a quick charge 3.0 charger, it even says it on the power brick. It doesn't matter what region you are in, all of them come with a quick charge 3.0 charger.
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Yup, you are correct. Just got home and plugged my charger in and it too shows "Charging Rapidly". COol, now I have a backup in case my Aukey stops working for whatever reason.
@fidanhGPE I'm not sure why yours doesn't show as Charging Rapidly when using your original charger, possibly something wrong with your handset maybe? Sorry I can't be of more help to you as all mine works fine with the original HTC supplied charger and HTC USB-A to USB-C charging cable, and also with the Aukey charging station and a USB-C to USB-C Gen 3.1 cable.
Cheers
Having a Nexus 6P, I was under the impression "rapid charging" only worked with a type-c to type-c charger..?
fidanhGPE said:
Mine does not show Charging Rapidly even though I use HTC supplied charger and cable! Do I need to activate it or what? I am using and EU plug converter to my US charger, might that be the problem, although I doubt it just passes on the same supply, its not a frequency/voltage converter.
Thank you for your help!
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It might be the converter because you should get "Charging rapidly" when using the charger and cable that came with the phone (that is still weird though), and yes they are Quick Charge 3.0 compatible like the other person mentioned above.
PaoloMix09 said:
It might be the converter because you should get "Charging rapidly" when using the charger and cable that came with the phone (that is still weird though), and yes they are Quick Charge 3.0 compatible like the other person mentioned above.
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I checked it, it QC 3.0 and it is charging rapidly, though I get it only on the power/battery settings only, no notification when I plug it in.
On another note, do you know if I can use old (normal) car chargers on HTC 10? Will it charge the phone, although I am not expecting a quick charge there? Will it harm the phone?
fidanhGPE said:
I checked it, it QC 3.0 and it is charging rapidly, though I get it only on the power/battery settings only, no notification when I plug it in.
On another note, do you know if I can use old (normal) car chargers on HTC 10? Will it charge the phone, although I am not expecting a quick charge there? Will it harm the phone?
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Nah man just make sure you have a type a to type C usb cable that has that 56ohm resistor crap to make sure your phone will be fine. Phone will charge just fine. I actually just got a QC 3.0 car charger as well and it doesn't charge THAT much faster than an old car charger I had.
Do you have any recommendation for car charger (cigarette lighter plug)?
One with fast charger feature which is compatible with Google Pixel 2 (USB-C PD?).
For my old Nexus 6, I must use car charger with Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0, because otherwise the Nexus 6 will still loosing power when using car navigation software. Standard car charger cannot keep up with the battery drain.
Thanks.
I came from a Nexus 6 too. I ended up buying micro USB to usb-c mini adapters which just go on the end of my old USB leads. I threw one on the car charger and it works fine. It's a stop Gap measure, and I mainly got it for an ihome Android charger/radio, but ended up wrapping duct tape around a usb-c charger cable and putting it in the radio dock.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/ya/r...reorder_params=B01J3GG82U,112-8020237-8121850
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I use the Aukey QC 3.0 car charger with dual 3.0 USB ports. It does not register as rapid charging but it is very quick. I used it with Moto Z Droid and used Google navigation while charging and it charges quick and does not lose charge. I also use the Aukey 3.0 wall charger and that does register as rapid charging.
I just bought a Deltaco (a Scandinavian brand) 3A/5V 15W car charger for 6,5 USD. Can't feel much difference compared to the original home charger's 18W using a 2. Gen Goobay 60W USB C-C cable.
Phone registers the input as rapid charging.
Ampere registers 2.7A with the screen on. Same as the standard charger, so I didn't find any reason why it should be worse
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I bought the Nekteck 5.4 amp charger https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CH9NEM2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. The curly cord is hard wired and side mounted with a USB C plug on the end, it charges my Pixel 2 fast (charging rapidly). I had issues with other chargers and cables that wouldn't charge my Pixel 2 at full speed, this one works great. Also, it has a USB A port on the top so you can rapidly charge two devices at the same time.
The Verizon branded one works really great. Charges very fast.
Any update on these?
I'm going to buy this USB-C with Power Delivery charger from Aukey:
https://www.aukey.com/products/usb-c-dual-port-car-charger-with-power-delivery
Will report back with results.
I use the tronsmart car charger.. It charges the phone rapidly.. Made a short video on it:
I have a Verizon USB C (purchased from Amazon for $17) and it works great. It fits very tight and shows up as fast charging.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0711FG2TB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_sLsxpduAP1r1H
PuffDaddy_d said:
I'm going to buy this USB-C with Power Delivery charger from Aukey:
https://www.aukey.com/products/usb-c-dual-port-car-charger-with-power-delivery
Will report back with results.
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Well, I waited too long and it is out of stock, but it looks like I may have avoided a bad purchase according to this supposed Google Engineer's review:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/B01LGO9LE4/R3J0UNYEXFSH0X/ref=cm_cr_dp_mb_rvw_1?ie=UTF8&cursor=1
Any other power delivery compatible options?
I think the hard wired C cabled chargers are the safest bet because of all the dicey 3rd party C cables out there.
I just got the $10 Monoprice USB C charger with PD (9v 3A) because it is rated to charge the at least as fast as the in-box wall charger. Not shilling for Monoprice, just seemed like a better deal than all the sketchy chargers on Amazon with fake reviews, none of which offered anything but 5v 3A or worse at under $25. I figure it's trustworthy because they say it's certified and Benson tested their cables and said they were OK. So far it has not tried to burn my car down or nuke my phone. I'm using it with the 0.5m Monoprice cable, it was about $17 with tax for the bundle. I can't post links, search 24424 on Monoprice.
So I've been googling around and trying to research this as much as I could but I'm still not sure of the answer so I was wondering if I could get some answers here. By the way, apologies if my terminology about the different connections are incorrect at any point in my post.
So I originally bought this Aukey car charger with Qualcomm 3.0 quickcharge (LINK) with 2 outlets for a USB Type-A connection to be plugged into it to charge 2 devices. I originally used it for my old phone that used a Micro-USB connection. After I got my Pixel 2, I needed new cables with its USB-C connection. I went and got these Anker USB-A to USB-C cables (LINK) so that I could charge with these cables or to connect my phone to my PC. Now, I've read that older Anker USB-C cables have had issues but from doing some more reading that these have been fixed I believe.
I am planning on using the Aukey charger mentioned above, and then plugging in one of the Anker USB-A to USB-C to charge my phone and was wondering if it'll be a safe combination? From some googling around and research, it seems it won't charge as fast as the wall charger (which is amazingly fast btw) or a USB-PD connection but that's perfectly fine as I don't need it to be as quick. I'm just cautious because I've read about the potential issues with using a bad charger with a not-up-to-standard cable (like something that isn't necessarily verified by Benson Leung or something). I don't care/need USB-PD charging (which I assume is where it uses a dedicated USB-C cable coming from the charger or a separate USB-C to USB-C cable connecting the cable to charger), as long as the combination I just mentioned works.
Toronadian said:
So I've been googling around and trying to research this as much as I could but I'm still not sure of the answer so I was wondering if I could get some answers here. By the way, apologies if my terminology about the different connections are incorrect at any point in my post.
So I originally bought this Aukey car charger with Qualcomm 3.0 quickcharge (LINK) with 2 outlets for a USB Type-A connection to be plugged into it to charge 2 devices. I originally used it for my old phone that used a Micro-USB connection. After I got my Pixel 2, I needed new cables with its USB-C connection. I went and got these Anker USB-A to USB-C cables (LINK) so that I could charge with these cables or to connect my phone to my PC. Now, I've read that older Anker USB-C cables have had issues but from doing some more reading that these have been fixed I believe.
I am planning on using the Aukey charger mentioned above, and then plugging in one of the Anker USB-A to USB-C to charge my phone and was wondering if it'll be a safe combination? From some googling around and research, it seems it won't charge as fast as the wall charger (which is amazingly fast btw) or a USB-PD connection but that's perfectly fine as I don't need it to be as quick. I'm just cautious because I've read about the potential issues with using a bad charger with a not-up-to-standard cable (like something that isn't necessarily verified by Benson Leung or something). I don't care/need USB-PD charging (which I assume is where it uses a dedicated USB-C cable coming from the charger or a separate USB-C to USB-C cable connecting the cable to charger), as long as the combination I just mentioned works.
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It will charge your phone just fine, but as you said, it will not fast charge. I use a similar setup now as I continue to look for the right PD car charger.
Toronadian said:
So I've been googling around and trying to research this as much as I could but I'm still not sure of the answer so I was wondering if I could get some answers here. By the way, apologies if my terminology about the different connections are incorrect at any point in my post.
So I originally bought this Aukey car charger with Qualcomm 3.0 quickcharge (...)
I am planning on using the Aukey charger mentioned above, and then plugging in one of the Anker USB-A to USB-C to charge my phone and was wondering if it'll be a safe combination? From some googling around and research, it seems it won't charge as fast as the wall charger (which is amazingly fast btw) or a USB-PD connection but that's perfectly fine as I don't need it to be as quick. I'm just cautious because I've read about the potential issues with using a bad charger with a not-up-to-standard cable (like something that isn't necessarily verified by Benson Leung or something). I don't care/need USB-PD charging (which I assume is where it uses a dedicated USB-C cable coming from the charger or a separate USB-C to USB-C cable connecting the cable to charger), as long as the combination I just mentioned works.
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PuffDaddy_d said:
It will charge your phone just fine, but as you said, it will not fast charge. I use a similar setup now as I continue to look for the right PD car charger.
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You guys should both look at 24424 on Monoprice. That QC charger isn't going to fast charge no matter what, I used one with a Tronsmart branded USB C to Micro B adapter that Benson recommended no problems though. They have a cheaper non-PD charger too, but why bother?
fishlifters said:
You guys should both look at 24424 on Monoprice. That QC charger isn't going to fast charge no matter what, I used one with a Tronsmart branded USB C to Micro B adapter that Benson recommended no problems though. They have a cheaper non-PD charger too, but why bother?
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I'm sorry, I don't understand. If we already have charger that aren't PD compliant then why do you recommend buying another?
I plan to get this one since it had strong reviews and tests:
GearMo 75W QC 3.0 & USB Type C Power Delivery (PD) Car Charger works with: MacPro,Chromebook,Galaxy s8 s7 Edge Plus,Note 8,LG G6 G5 V20 V30,HTC 10,a9,8,Pixel 2 XL,Nexus,iPhone 7,iPad. FCC Approved https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07115BLPP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_bSiBAb2H2P7W0
PuffDaddy_d said:
I'm sorry, I don't understand. If we already have charger that aren't PD compliant then why do you recommend buying another?
I plan to get this one since it had strong reviews and tests:
GearMo 75W QC 3.0 & USB Type C Power Delivery (PD) Car Charger works with: MacPro,Chromebook,Galaxy s8 s7 Edge Plus,Note 8,LG G6 G5 V20 V30,HTC 10,a9,8,Pixel 2 XL,Nexus,iPhone 7,iPad. FCC Approved
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A USB C charger 5v 3W standard will still charge faster than a USB A QC charger, but it's only $3 less on Monoprice for the non-PD one. I don't see anything on usb DOT org listing GearMo on the certified power brick chart. I wouldn't risk it. There's no reason to put a USB 3.0 A-type port on a charger, seems fishy to me.
This one looks promising as well:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07234DKQ5/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_D0lIAb2M0BDZG
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I'm using this Meagoes charger from Amazon. Works well.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076H7X8QN
Hey!
I noticed recently that my G5 charges quite slow. So I tested all of my powerbanks, cables, and wall chargers, in various combinations. I had 4 different powerbanks, 3 wall chargers, and 4 cables.
I used a USB ammeter to measure the power draw going through the USB cable.
On the motorola charger and cable that came with the phone, it charges at 1.8a. I then charged my phone from each powerbank and wall charger, using each cable in turn. The average charge speed for my phone was about 0.5a. Out of 28 combinations, only 2 yielded a draw over 1a.
I have created a spreadsheet detailing the charge speeds of each combination, but unfortunately cannot post it yet (10 post permissions).
I then charged my USB powerbanks from the same wall chargers, using the same cables. One powerbank charged at over 1a with every combination, and reached over 2a on numerous combinations. This proves that the cables and wall chargers are not at fault, it is a phone issue.
Why? Has motorola put something in their chargers that 'talks' to the phone, and allows for faster charge speeds? 0.5a is awful!
Secondly, does anyone know of cables that I can buy, which will support fast charging for the motorola? I have looked at genuine motorola cables, but there is no way to tell one from the other.
Thanks!
Paul
P.s. charge speeds were the same, whether the phone was switched on or off.
Welcome @agour
I've come up to a similar conclusion with a lot less data (thus I didn't share them).
I caught power consumption at the wall outlet when charging my device with two chargers: Motorola stock charger and a Samsung Adaptive Fast Charger.
The Samsung has the following specs: 5V 2A or 9V 1.67A with fastcharging capable device.
Using Samsung Adaptive fast charger and Samsung 1.5m cable : 6W, so the device charges at something like 5V 1.2A...
Using Samsung Adaptive fast charger and the cable provided with my XT1676 : 11.3W (which is coherent with the max 9V 1.6A, and would mean the charger provides 2.2A if at 5V which more than the specs.)
Using stock charger and stock supplied cable : 11.3W ==> fast charge for similar reasons as above
Using stock charger and Samsung 1.5m cable : around 6W ==> low power charge
I'd need a USB multimeter to confirm those data. (mostly due to the variable voltage that can provide fast charge adatpers)
matmutant said:
Welcome @agour
I've come up to a similar conclusion with a lot less data (thus I didn't share them).
I caught power consumption at the wall outlet when charging my device with two chargers: Motorola stock charger and a Samsung Adaptive Fast Charger.
The Samsung has the following specs: 5V 2A or 9V 1.67A with fastcharging capable device.
Using Samsung Adaptive fast charger and Samsung 1.5m cable : 6W, so the device charges at something like 5V 1.2A...
Using Samsung Adaptive fast charger and the cable provided with my XT1676 : 11.3W (which is coherent with the max 9V 1.6A, and would mean the charger provides 2.2A if at 5V which more than the specs.)
Using stock charger and stock supplied cable : 11.3W ==> fast charge for similar reasons as above
Using stock charger and Samsung 1.5m cable : around 6W ==> low power charge
I'd need a USB multimeter to confirm those data. (mostly due to the variable voltage that can provide fast charge adatpers)
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Interesting! It's suprising how much difference the combinations can make.
I don't think I have experienced this on a phone before, however I have never felt the need to test it...
I tested the original cable that came with the phone, and an off the shelf 'genuine motorola cable'. The stock cable is still the fastest, however the secondary cable still worked very well.
Interestingly, one of my powerbanks will charge at 2.2a from pretty much EVERY powersource and cable combination. This is with 7 cables tested, and 3 USB wall adapters.
Shame that motorola doesn't allow their phones to draw maximum power from hardware that can provide it..
agour said:
Interesting! It's suprising how much difference the combinations can make.
I don't think I have experienced this on a phone before, however I have never felt the need to test it...
I tested the original cable that came with the phone, and an off the shelf 'genuine motorola cable'. The stock cable is still the fastest, however the secondary cable still worked very well.
Interestingly, one of my powerbanks will charge at 2.2a from pretty much EVERY powersource and cable combination. This is with 7 cables tested, and 3 USB wall adapters.
Shame that motorola doesn't allow their phones to draw maximum power from hardware that can provide it..
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If I have some time, I may test internal impedance of the cables, it is possible that the device somehow probes the cable (or the cable + charger) and then decides if it can or not draw that much power without overheating/melting the cable; and then it will negotiate the quickCharge with the charger.
there has been a discussion about quick charge on this thread a while ago (before I got this devices : https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5/help/quick-charge-3-0-support-t3632457)
Lenovo adds the following that I have not tested:
Lenovo said:
If your device is below 78%, but it does not begin Turbo charging when you plug it into the Turbo Charger, try uplugging and plugging back in using one fluid motion.
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It is quite obvious that especially cheap cables will charge phones much slower as the resistance is too high, even if the phone does not perform any checks. Those cables are basically too thin. Resistance limits the current (amps) that can flow. Newer phones most likely just look at the charge current during the first x seconds (or less) and then decide wether to enable fast charging or not to keep the cable from heating up. A wire with high resistance is basically a heater. So it's a necessary safety feature (from the companies POV).
Regarding the power bank, it may be possible that this particular design provides a voltage slightly higher than the nominal 5 volts (still fine for most devices), which helps overcome the resistance. That is also the reason why the Samsung fast charger provides 9V: You don't need a cable as thick as with 5V.
Keep in mind that the USB specifications only recently got updated for such high charging currents, so it is advisable to use only the cable that comes with the phone as USB cables in general don't need to provide such high currents by spec!
71n4 said:
It is quite obvious that especially cheap cables will charge phones much slower as the resistance is too high, even if the phone does not perform any checks. Those cables are basically too thin.
Resistance limits the current (amps) that can flow. Newer phones most likely just look at the charge current during the first x seconds (or less) and then decide wether to enable fast charging or not to keep the cable from heating up. A wire with high resistance is basically a heater. So it's a necessary safety feature (from the companies POV).
Regarding the power bank, it may be possible that this particular design provides a voltage slightly higher than the nominal 5 volts (still fine for most devices), which helps overcome the resistance. That is also the reason why the Samsung fast charger provides 9V: You don't need a cable as thick as with 5V.
Keep in mind that the USB specifications only recently got updated for such high charging currents, so it is advisable to use only the cable that comes with the phone as USB cables in general don't need to provide such high currents by spec!
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That sounds correct, although my Samsung wall adapter is fast charge capable, and was provided with a cable (and not a cheap one), that basically can't be use for fast charging with the G5, that looks silly...
My Google Pixel or ASUS chromebook chargers don't seem to work unless the pda is off. I'm disappointed that this device didn't implement USB-PD and that I can't charge from either side. What's the point of a standard connector if you need a proprietary power brick. MediaTek Pump Express was a poor choice.
I agree. So plugging into your charger when the Gemini is off WILL charge it?
I have a USB-C charger in my truck, and I will say that when my Gemini is plugged in it will hold the charge at whatever level it's at. It won't charge it, but at least power won't be depleted. Still disappointing, for sure.
dimex said:
I agree. So plugging into your charger when the Gemini is off WILL charge it?
I have a USB-C charger in my truck, and I will say that when my Gemini is plugged in it will hold the charge at whatever level it's at. It won't charge it, but at least power won't be depleted. Still disappointing, for sure.
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Yes, if my Gemini PDA is off-off, my Google Pixel USB charger does seem to charge it. I don't have any numbers, but I doubt it's using the higher voltage modes so it's probably a slow charge. The red charging light comes on after maybe a second. Same poor behavior using an Anker PowerCore+ 26800 USB-PD with J5 Create JUCX01 USB-C to USB-C cables (an expensive but highly regarded cable supporting 100W power delivery AND 10 Gbps transfers). My car's AOLIEKS 48W USB-C USB-PD cigarette lighter port adapter is also useless for the gemini PDA when using the 30 W USB-PD port with a JUCX01 cable. I'll try using the QC 3.0 USB-A port with Gemini-provided USB cable tonight.
None of my standard USB-C chargers seem to do anything at all when the Gemini PDA is on. As though the cable isn't even detected. This indicates a firmware issue in the charge controller, IMHO. I looked closely at the Gemini-provided USB cables and the USB-C plug seems maybe 0.5mm longer than my other USB-C cables, so maybe it's a physical thing but I doubt it.
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Yes, if my Gemini PDA is off-off, my Google Pixel USB charger does seem to charge it. I don't have any numbers, but I doubt it's using the higher voltage modes so it's probably a slow charge. The red charging light comes on after maybe a second. Same poor behavior using an Anker PowerCore+ 26800 USB-PD with J5 Create JUCX01 USB-C to USB-C cables (an expensive but highly regarded cable supporting 100W power delivery AND 10 Gbps transfers). My car's AOLIEKS 48W USB-C USB-PD cigarette lighter port adapter is also useless for the gemini PDA when using the 30 W USB-PD port with a JUCX01 cable. I'll try using the QC 3.0 USB-A port with Gemini-provided USB cable tonight.
None of my standard USB-C chargers seem to do anything at all when the Gemini PDA is on. As though the cable isn't even detected. This indicates a firmware issue in the charge controller, IMHO. I looked closely at the Gemini-provided USB cables and the USB-C plug seems maybe 0.5mm longer than my other USB-C cables, so maybe it's a physical thing but I doubt it.
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I was adding a 6-outlet wall tap to the outlet near my bedside table today, and while consolidating chargers I plugged the Gemini's USB-C cable into the AUKEY 12W Dual Port Home Travel USB Wall Charger Adapter - Black charger I have. It charges the Gemini, whether it's on or off. Not sure about voltages or numbers either, but the Battery page in settings showed "Charging by AC" and the time remaining seemed pretty short.
There does seem to be some magic sauce with the included USB cable. Using that cable worked fine with my power bank, but not my car charger.
I've done some testing using a Pluggable USB-C meter (can't post links due to being new, it's on amazon).
Charging is only on the left port. (More on that later.)
Using the supplied charger + cable I get 8.8v at 1.35A (close to the 9v the charger has printed on the back, charger says it supports 12v according to the back but I guess the Gemini doesn't).
Using an Anker PowerPort+ (60w, one type-c and USB A ports) I get:
- Anker USB A to C cable: 5v (well, 4.78v), 1.8A
- Anker USB-C to C cable: Nothing. :/ (the pluggable adapter doesn't even turn on, presumably not seeing any negotiation to even turn on).
Also tried a few other USB C cables and power supplies (Apple, Chromebook) and they don't charge it or pass power.
While the left port is the only one that will charge, the Gemini will take power on the right hand port -- the amount varying by usage it seems (I've seen between 0.15A and 0.41A when worked hard), so presumably it is possible to take power from a hub which should mean the device stays alive for longer but won't charge.
I hope it's possible to add proper PD / type C charging in a software update, for me a huge advantage of type C is not needing to have different adapters for fast charging... (I'm a little confused because pump express claims to support USB PD on mediatek. c o m / features/pump-express (sorry mangled url because I can't post them...), not sure what that means in non-marketing speak as it obviously doesn't work).
Forgot to test with it turned entirely off:
- It does charge off the Anker USB-C charger via C-to-C cable, but only at 4.96v, 0.38A, i.e. you're going to be waiting a while for a charge. Makes me hopeful this is a software thing though.
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Replying to myself, but thought this was useful to point out:
psionfan said:
It does charge off the Anker USB-C charger via C-to-C cable, but only at 4.96v, 0.38A, i.e. you're going to be waiting a while for a charge.
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...which does lead to an interesting trick:
Turn it off, plug it to the type C charger, then it will continue charging at a low rate while on. Could be useful if you forget the right charger (which is totally something I see myself doing).
USB-C charging is a compatibility mess, and yes, it seems Gemini PDA is on the bad end of it. I have various
But I had an LG phone that couldn't reliably charge from a MacBook Pro USB-C power supply--and it seems that charger can't charge my Gemini at all. Two rather mainstream companies that can't manage to implement a standard and make it work right, Gemini can't make it work at all, isn't unique in having problems, but clearly on the bad end...
Sounds like the USB-C standard is badly designed.
-kb
I have been having problems charging my LG V20. When driving and streaming music with Waze I notice that I'm loosing charge capacity, so I have to only use Waze when absolutely necessary, during traffic jams or finding a restaurant or store etc. I keep getting intermittent "Slow Charging" or "Use OEM Charger & Cable" messages. I don't have the OEM charger or cable so I have been purchasing chargers & cables. I bought a 4 port 12V charger with QC 3.0 expecting that to solve my problem. The charger didn't change anything. So I bought a few USB 3.0 cables and just one time I got a "Fast Charging" session. I read a review about a charger like mine and the review rated the charger as poor. So I bought another QC 3.0 charger and went out to the car with the new charger and all my C type cables. Went through all 5 of my 3 ft cables and once again I keep getting intermittent "Slow Charging" or "Use OEM Charger & Cable" messages with the new charger. Bummer. I also have two short 25cm cables that I tried in desperation and Wow, both of these short cables produce consistent "Fast Charging" sessions. With both chargers! The 25cm cables are too short to reach where I mount my phone so I just ordered a 50cm Ugreen USB C Cable 5A Super Charge Cable. I'm hoping a short (less resistance) high quality cable will solve my problem. Any suggestions on another brand 50cm cable I should order as a backup?
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I have been having problems charging my LG V20. When driving and streaming music with Waze I notice that I'm loosing charge capacity, so I have to only use Waze when absolutely necessary, during traffic jams or finding a restaurant or store etc. I keep getting intermittent "Slow Charging" or "Use OEM Charger & Cable" messages. I don't have the OEM charger or cable so I have been purchasing chargers & cables. I bought a 4 port 12V charger with QC 3.0 expecting that to solve my problem. The charger didn't change anything. So I bought a few USB 3.0 cables and just one time I got a "Fast Charging" session. I read a review about a charger like mine and the review rated the charger as poor. So I bought another QC 3.0 charger and went out to the car with the new charger and all my C type cables. Went through all 5 of my 3 ft cables and once again I keep getting intermittent "Slow Charging" or "Use OEM Charger & Cable" messages with the new charger. Bummer. I also have two short 25cm cables that I tried in desperation and Wow, both of these short cables produce consistent "Fast Charging" sessions. With both chargers! The 25cm cables are too short to reach where I mount my phone so I just ordered a 50cm Ugreen USB C Cable 5A Super Charge Cable. I'm hoping a short (less resistance) high quality cable will solve my problem. Any suggestions on another brand 50cm cable I should order as a backup?
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You need to check the voltage and amperage of your charger and then see if you can find some specs about your device and look for what voltage and amperage charger it is supposed to have. The power output of the charger is more relevant to charge capacity than the length of the cable being used.
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Droidriven said:
You need to check the voltage and amperage of your charger and then see if you can find some specs about your device and look for what voltage and amperage charger it is supposed to have. The power output of the charger is more relevant to charge capacity than the length of the cable being used.
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How do you explain multiple charges working in quick charge mode only with the short cables I have and not with any of the other cables, other than a problem with the cables?
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How do you explain multiple charges working in quick charge mode only with the short cables I have and not with any of the other cables, other than a problem with the cables?
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Did you do any investigating to determine what voltage and amperage charger is required by your specific device? Did you compare that to the chargers that you have in order to verify whether the chargers you have are correctly rated for your device? That is a more important detail than you realize.
Yeah, I know what you're probably thinking, "I've never had a problem using a different charger to charge other devices that I have used/owned, how can it be an issue now?"
The answer to that is, not all devices are equal.
Maybe the charger is rated lower than is required by the device and when used with the longer, higher resistance cords, it can't provide enough power, but when using the short cord it's lower resistance might be enough to make up the difference. I've had this issue on a Kindle tablet, the charger for my phone would not charge the device quickly enough unless the device was turned off, it would even give the "may not charge" message when I would plug it in, but when I bought the proper charger for it, VIOLA!!, it charged correctly. Well what do you know, the correct charger and cord actually charges it correctly, imagine that, who would have ever thought that using the correct hardware would get the correct results. I'm being sarcastic, but you get my point.
It has more to do with how much the charger itself can provide than it does the length of the cord.
For example, if you had the original charger and the original cord, it would provide the correct amount of charge, but if you were to use a 10ft cord with the stock charger instead of the 3-6 foot that comes with the device, you would see a reduction in how much power it supplies, even more so if the charger is plugged into a drop cord/extension cord at the same time. I've had this exact issue on a couple of devices.
Another example is if you have a charger that is rated below what the device requires and you used the 3-6 ft stock cord, it could decrease the amount of power supplied by the charger block because the charger can't supply enough power to overcome the resistance of the stock cord, but when using the shorter, lower resistance cord with the lower rated charger, the cord's resistance could be low enough that it allows enough power to be supplied.
I'm not saying that it is 100% the issue that you are having, I'm saying that it is something to look into because it is more likely to be your issue because it is common for devices to charge faster, slower or not at all when using a charger that has a different rating than required by the device. Other possibilities are a damaged USB port on the device or the software has become corrupted, you would probably need to flash the stock firmware to fix the corrupted software.
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