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There are so many people and so many topics on how to "Disable Sense". Why get a Desire if you don't like Sense?
I mean, fair enough if this was a hero but the Desire and the Nexus are pretty much exactly the same phone. If you don't like Sense then get a nexus.
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I Spent Months Hopping between Laggy, unfinished Sense ROM's on my G1 just so I could have the Style of it Even happier now I have it with a 1Ghz Processor
But yeah, Seems odd to buy a desire then want to remove the Sense UI, Like buying a Red car and wanting it Sprayed blue.
don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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Most people on here bought the phone unlocked.
For those who are on contracts, the Nexus will be on vodafone soon and will (apparently) also be free. Why not wait, it will only be a few weeks...
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don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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damn you and your logic! can;t we just have a rant once in a while!
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don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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So why buy something that you don't really want or not happy with? I understand its easier to get a Desire then a Nexus, but would you really buy one if its not what you want? There are Better options out there if you really want Eclair 2.1, Not buy a Sense UI phone and try to Remove the key aspects of it.
KYI
killyouridols said:
So why buy something that you don't really want or not happy with? I understand its easier to get a Desire then a Nexus, but would you really buy one if its not what you want? There are Better options out there if you really want Eclair 2.1, Not buy a Sense UI phone and try to Remove the key aspects of it.
KYI
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Maybe people do really want the phone, or a N1, but don't want sense. Why do you think that they have to stay together, that having one means having the other? Did you ever run the default Window Mobile ROM/Shell/Applications for the life of the device when you (likely, given the forum) owned a WM handset?
I don't really like the look of sense, and I'm likely going to disable it on my Desire. The Desire also has (slightly) more RAM, those hardware buttons, and the optical trackpad. All three things I prefer over the N1. Only downside is the lack of second mic..
I got my desire for free on a £15/mo 24mo contract. There's no way I could get a Nexus One today on T-Mobile with the contract I have.
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Most people on here bought the phone unlocked.
For those who are on contracts, the Nexus will be on vodafone soon and will (apparently) also be free. Why not wait, it will only be a few weeks...
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cause i'm already locked to an orange contract maybe?
I love Sense but I understand those who bought the Desire but want to get rid of Sense. Nexus One is only available (officially) in the US, UK, Singapore and Hong-Kong. Where I live the Nexus One can be bought from some online stores but it costs 100 euros more than the Desire.
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So why buy something that you don't really want or not happy with? I understand its easier to get a Desire then a Nexus, but would you really buy one if its not what you want? There are Better options out there if you really want Eclair 2.1, Not buy a Sense UI phone and try to Remove the key aspects of it.
KYI
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i am happy with it and i will be happy even more if i can remover SENSE which is what you are ranting about i give you a valid reason yet you still try to prove to me that spending more money on something that does exactly the same is a good idea?
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i am happy with it and i will be happy even more if i can remover SENSE which is what you are ranting about i give you a valid reason yet you still try to prove to me that spending more money on something that does exactly the same is a good idea?
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That's the idea of a Civil "Conversation"....Try it some time....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone who has done this, I just don't get the point. What exactly is wrong with sense, it actually improves Android. Why go so far to remove it from a phone which has Sense included, If you're that bothered get a Nexus One, or wait for something else to come on the market.
Not only that, remove all HTC Widgets from the homescreen and replace them with google ones and all you have is a launcher which is exactly the same as the "Vanilla" one except having a themed task launcher.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone who has done this, I just don't get the point. What exactly is wrong with sense, it actually improves Android. Why go so far to remove it from a phone which has Sense included, If you're that bothered get a Nexus One, or wait for something else to come on the market.
Not only that, remove all HTC Widgets from the homescreen and replace them with google ones and all you have is a launcher which is exactly the same as the "Vanilla" one except having a themed task launcher.
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i still use sense as i preffer the sense widgets etc just hate the bar across the bottom, and if it is easy to remove sense surely its better to save some money, and remove it?
what a bloody stupid question. as you say the phones are almost identical, the desire is free for most people and disabling sence is easy so of course people are going to get the desire. if they don't like since, they'll ask how to remove it. now go and find something to occupy your mind so things like this don't wind you up.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone who has done this, I just don't get the point. What exactly is wrong with sense, it actually improves Android. Why go so far to remove it from a phone which has Sense included, If you're that bothered get a Nexus One, or wait for something else to come on the market.
Not only that, remove all HTC Widgets from the homescreen and replace them with google ones and all you have is a launcher which is exactly the same as the "Vanilla" one except having a themed task launcher.
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Well ignoring the fact that I like the buttons on the Desire, and the trackpad, over the N1s ball and touch buttons.. for a second.
The Nexus One is on Expansys for £584.99 right now. So that's exactly £584.99 more than I paid for the Desire, which I like more than the Nexus One, hardware wise anyway. I'd have to have a contract with a carrier for a decent data plan as it is, so I may as well get the 'free' handset.
So why wouldn't I get the Desire and run stock Android on it, like a Nexus One. If that's the UI I prefer?
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Well ignoring the fact that I like the buttons on the Desire, and the trackpad, over the N1s ball and touch buttons.. for a second.
The Nexus One is on Expansys for £584.99 right now. So that's exactly £584.99 more than I paid for the Desire, which I like more than the Nexus One, hardware wise anyway. I'd have to have a contract with a carrier for a decent data plan as it is, so I may as well get the 'free' handset.
So why wouldn't I get the Desire and run stock Android on it, like a Nexus One. If that's the UI I prefer?
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yep same story for me spend near £600 on a nexus 1 or spend £400 on a desire which can easily be modded to be the same as a nexus 1
Blimey guys - Get a life!
I find it amazing that you all get wound up over nothing.
Now if it was Iraq of Afganistan then I could maybe understand.
scotch whisky said:
Blimey guys - Get a life!
I find it amazing that you all get wound up over nothing.
Now if it was Iraq of Afganistan then I could maybe understand.
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its more that i get annoyed that people are willing to have a go at people for their own personal preference
Its the same for me, nexus only available through black market for a steep price and the desire is freely available. Have to say i don't hate Sense, but being able to run the basic homescreen is fun as well.
The same goes vice versa, n1 users that want sense on their phone but didn't wait for the desire.
Sometimes people choose a phone because its available sooner or looks better in their opinion, it doesn't mean they have to "love" the interface that comes along with it. Thats the point of android, tweak and change it to whatever the hell you want.
I like Sense UI, but I can understand why people who don't still want the Desire over the Nexus One, even if you don't count the price and availability.
For a start its similar hardware to the Nexus One but it isn't identical. The "real" buttons are better on the Desire, I don't like those non-button touch sensitive buttons on the Nexus One. The Desire has the optical pad rather than a track ball.
Second, if you could disable Sense on the Desire you would have a choice of either and could switch at will. I say "if" because I don't seem to be able to disable Sense on mine, but that's another story.
But to really sum things up, here is a quote from the Desire page on HTC's website:
Make It Mine
With the HTC Desire, it’s all about your information, your entertainment, your multimedia … your way
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Perhaps it should read "your way... as long as your way is to use Sense".
Android was designed so that you could install alternatives for pretty much every part, it was considered an important fundamental goal in the design. I don't think that choosing a phone that includes Sense should have to mean sacrificing that core philosophy. Its all about choice, right?
I have been playing with it all day, my HTC Surround is quite a toy. While this is version 1.0 of WP7, its pretty good. There are maybe 125 free apps in the market place and most paid apps are $1-$3 or more. I see a lot of potential. The interface is responsive. It's not perfect but I expect MS will address all of its shortcomings. I lost all of my favorite installed apps I had on my Dash 3G - all the TV and radio apps, my MIRC app, most of the things I really care about, so I am holding onto my Dash for now. But I am SURE most of these apps will be ported over sooner than later. If I get desparate, I'll pay AT&T the $10 they want for their streaming app. Video quality is OK using the Zune software. I used it convert my smaller .mp4's using the Zune converter. I may get sharper pictures if I convert from the original .avi's. There are a few free radio apps that work well. So far I don't see any 3rd party video news apps, maybe Netflix is good, so haven't figured out how to get Sky video news, but again i am sure it will be available soon. There's a glitch in windows live causing some people to get error messages, but MS says they will have that fixed shortly. IExp works great, as does the weather maps and search. My contacts downloaded fine from my sim card and synced fine to my computer. All in all this was a good move....can't wait for the rest to come!
Congrats!! And a few questions please
Have you ever played with an HTC Aria and its Sense touch technology? Is the HTC touch interface the same or as stunning on your new phone? I love my Captivate (which askpcguy just helped me unbrick ), but have really always loved Windows' PC OS and the HTC Sense on my Aria just really seemed snappier to me than Samsung's TouchWiz. My fiancee will get my Captivate, but I'm torn between one of the new AT&T 7 phones or a decent touchscreen/real keyboard Android if and when AT&T gets one. I miss my real BB keyboard, but the Torch is too underpowered and the screen is to small for my aging eyes.
Also, I read a few reviews on your excellent phone at PCmag, CNET and Endgadget earlier today, and Endgadget mentioned the fact that the speakers are muffled when closed and you have to really have them open to hear well. That seems logical, but is it as noticeable as they lead one to believe please? Can you hear a call come in well? Endgadget indicates those are the only speakers on the phone, and if muffled, would I still hear my ringtones? For a totally useless question, can you set a whole song as a ringtone, or are you limited to a certain file size like most phones nowadays (my old Krzr, which I used today while Captivate was out of service, can handle a whole song, why not smartphones? One of those things that make me go hmmm?). The same review had issues with the kickstand. What have you noticed please?
I read an interview with HTC's owner and founder in Businessweek this past week, and he is truly a trendsetter. HTC came out of nowhere and are making the best touchscreens I've seen to date (just eclipsed by Samsung and Apple for now in crispness - but that won't be the case for long).
HTC Sense Hub
this is one of the reasons I went with the Surround instead of the Samsung (ok the screen is a bit smaller but I like the build and HTC seems to have better continuing device support)
Well back to the HTC hub, it is very sense like but not as we are used to on WM/Android devices, imho there is a bit too much animation but it is very cool and the device seems to handle the graphice very well. the hub mainly consists of the basic clock/weather combo with links to additional HTC free apps that are many of the unique value added apps we all know and love, Flashlight, calc, a very cool picture enhancer and some others that must be installed, the few att bloat ware present can be easily removed (a first i think) it's not the same as we are used to but they did a nice job of adding the HTC feel as a component to the metro interface. these are just my observations/thoughts and your milage may vary.
Cheers
BR
1toadfacedfrump said:
Have you ever played with an HTC Aria and its Sense touch technology? Is the HTC touch interface the same or as stunning on your new phone? I love my Captivate (which askpcguy just helped me unbrick ), but have really always loved Windows' PC OS and the HTC Sense on my Aria just really seemed snappier to me than Samsung's TouchWiz. My fiancee will get my Captivate, but I'm torn between one of the new AT&T 7 phones or a decent touchscreen/real keyboard Android if and when AT&T gets one. I miss my real BB keyboard, but the Torch is too underpowered and the screen is to small for my aging eyes.
Also, I read a few reviews on your excellent phone at PCmag, CNET and Endgadget earlier today, and Endgadget mentioned the fact that the speakers are muffled when closed and you have to really have them open to hear well. That seems logical, but is it as noticeable as they lead one to believe please? Can you hear a call come in well? Endgadget indicates those are the only speakers on the phone, and if muffled, would I still hear my ringtones? For a totally useless question, can you set a whole song as a ringtone, or are you limited to a certain file size like most phones nowadays (my old Krzr, which I used today while Captivate was out of service, can handle a whole song, why not smartphones? One of those things that make me go hmmm?). The same review had issues with the kickstand. What have you noticed please?
I read an interview with HTC's owner and founder in Businessweek this past week, and he is truly a trendsetter. HTC came out of nowhere and are making the best touchscreens I've seen to date (just eclipsed by Samsung and Apple for now in crispness - but that won't be the case for long).
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I hate to break it to you, but HTC cuts a lot of corners. Especially lately. It may be due to demand or whatever, but it's one of the primary reasons I'm looking to buy from another manufacturer this time around. I believe they used to make KIRFs, by the way. Though, I have no source on that.
I really don't like my Surround, but HTC never made KIRFS. HTC made just about everyone else's PDA and WinMo phones back in the day though. Including the XDA (hence the name of this forum, which is based on HTC phones). It wasn't until around 2006/2007 that they started trying to be a brand name in their own right though.
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I really don't like my Surround, but HTC never made KIRFS. HTC made just about everyone else's PDA and WinMo phones back in the day though. Including the XDA (hence the name of this forum, which is based on HTC phones). It wasn't until around 2006/2007 that they started trying to be a brand name in their own right though.
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Are you going to give the Focus a try? I played with one at the store today and have to admit, it was pretty nice. Didn't look or feel cheap to me.
No, I own a Galaxy S I9000M that's in for repairs, with that I get the same 4" SAMOLED as the Focus, AND a real OS. Once it comes back, this Windows Phone 7 detour is over. After a day of using it, I'm certain Windows Phone 7 is not for me.
On the other hand, this might just be the perfect OS for my father, who still can't set the clock on his microwave.
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I hate to break it to you, but HTC cuts a lot of corners. Especially lately. It may be due to demand or whatever, but it's one of the primary reasons I'm looking to buy from another manufacturer this time around. I believe they used to make KIRFs, by the way. Though, I have no source on that.
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Agreed, agreed, agreed! I don't think I'm ever going to buy another HTC device, ever, which is why I never looked very hard at Android. I've been burned by their corner cutting several times too many. I was also burned by that WinMo phone from LG that was supposed to sell with the snap on projector and had "numerous UI enhancements" from LG which actually made the already lousy WinMo 6.5 UI even WORSE. It was a bad phone and I don't think AT&T tried selling it for very long. So I went with the Samsung Focus and so far I'm impressed. The hardware is nice, it works well and the system, while spartan, works well and hasn't slowed or crashed on me. As was also mentioned, I have a TON of stuff I use on a regular basis on the iPhone so I haven't sold it, nor am I 100% committed to the Focus yet....I have 30 days to return it and I may do that. But so far I have no reason to do so PLUS Slingplayer, my favorite app of all, is already available for WP. I waited almost a full year for Slingplayer for the iPhone and the day after I buy a WP phone, there it is. Now that's impressive!
Lots of interesting ideas and advice, and I love gaining the pros and cons of devices, as well as the history (thanks Croak ). You guys certainly know your stuff, but before you give up on HTC, get last week's Bloomberg Businessweek and read the interview with the top man, because if he knew of the problems you speak of it appears he would be highly upset. Some of what Croak indicated are in that same article. He seems to be a perfectionist like Mr. Jobs; but being human, we will never attain such a lofty goal, but sure have fun trying.
FWIW, the Sense UI blows me away, which is why I miss the underpowered Aria.
Is it just me or has HTC Approached It's Media Campaign of the One Series in completely the wrong way?
The Advert I'm talking about is the one with the Student taking photos during freefall, in my opinion as an advert is pretty poor as it doesn't invoke any emotion nor show you much about the phone.
Adverts HTC should take not from are the Galaxy Nexus 'Pure google' advert in the UK and the New Internet Explorer 9 advert in the UK.
99% of people aren't like us on XDA and already know the phone inside out before the Adverts even air, they need to be shown in those few seconds that the phone is for them, and I wouldn't get that from this advert.
Just sharing my thoughts, what are your opinions?
Totally agree is a waste of time advert
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Its not great - but compare it to the Xperia advert which is horrible!
The ie advert is beautiful advertising, also love the song on it
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treebill said:
The ie advert is beautiful advertising, also love the song on it
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Kind of wasted though, as It's IE, everyone already has it, and if they don't, It's because they've installed a new one and don't want it in the first place.
but yeah, that Advert is great and HTC should learn from it
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Its not great - but compare it to the Xperia advert which is horrible!
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The one with the kid talking on with the Robots?
I think thats a great advert!
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The one with the kid talking on with the Robots?
I think thats a great advert!
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Thats the one! I find it really annoying to watch.
The IE advert I think is more about them saying 'hey look! we're not crap anymore!'
When I was looking for a new phone a month ago, One X caught my attention with it's design. White One X is just gorgeous. When I saw the specs inside, other phones came out of question anyway and I wanted only this one then. After I saw the ugly SGS3, it just confirmed that my choice was correct.
In my opinion the advert is focused on the design and the best highlight of the phone - the camera. And HTC represented it very good. The rest (specs, other features etc) is just a minor matter.
I can't even get a decent picture when my 9 month old is flapping his arms without blur, Nick taking pictures whilst freefalling @ 100-something mph? JOG ON NICK!
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We, the jaded, probably aren't who the ad is targeted at. HTC focusing on the camera and audio I'm sure is based on market research as to what features resonate with the target audience. This bigger video's probably going to be cut up and shortened and used in commercials too. Parts of it are pretty good.
This on the other hand is horrible. It might as well be for life insurance. The whole "for humans" thing Samsung's pursuing is designed to make an evolutionary phone appear revolutionary.
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We, the jaded, probably aren't who the ad is targeted at. HTC focusing on the camera and audio I'm sure is based on market research as to what features resonate with the target audience. This bigger video's probably going to be cut up and shortened and used in commercials too. Parts of it are pretty good.
This on the other hand is horrible. It might as well be for life insurance. The whole "for humans" thing Samsung's pursuing is designed to make an evolutionary phone appear revolutionary.
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Right, yes, If HTC chose to Edit that full video and use that as It's TV commercials I feel they'd have a better response, as it actually emvokes at least some feeling, and shows the phone being used.
I agree with the S3 Advert being Pish, but the style of it is tried and tested (By none other than who they copy-Apple) and will of course work.
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the style of it is tried and tested (By none other than who they copy-Apple) and will of course work.
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Apple's commercials are stylized but always include the device itself solving problems for people using it. Would you have gotten that two SGS3's being placed against each through glass meant pics and videos were being shared if you didn't know about S-Beam? Saying the phone "understands you" without showing how raises more questions than it answers and isn't as memorable. It'll sell in the gazillions without any advertising so Samsung's no worse off.
My Brother's contract is up on his 2 year old iPhone4, he's looking to switch to Android and the HTC One-X on ATT. In laymen terms, what are the benefits he will see going from the iPhone4 to the new One-X ?
I will refer him to this thread to read.
Thank-you
Faster phone, bigger screen, better camera, LTE, customizable UI
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In My mind it dosn't if one would own the iPhone, iPhone2, iPhone3, iPhone4, iPhone5 or even the iPhone1000.
The iPhone hasn't improved since it got the MMS funktion!
The biggest difference between iOS and Android is "the future"
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wtf still got iphone 4 vs One X?? no iphone in this era anymore. its One X vs SGS3 nowadays and people get agitated cuz of it.
and as Flo95 said, "Faster phone, bigger screen, better camera, LTE, customizable UI" and sexy design too. and IOS6 is better known as Android 2.3.3 so you better get this one, 4.0.3/4.0.4 which is IOS9 i think.
HTC One X vs iPhone 5 in a few months. I don't like iOS but looking forward to what the new iPhone brings to the table.
Anyways to answer your question,
Android is open source unlike the closed source of iOS. You can customise till your heart bleeds.
Android is well supported by plenty of devs whether it be roms, applications anything.
The one x has a bigger screen so better for Web browsing and such.
The one x is newer and should pack a better camera than the ip4.
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Thank-you for the replies, I will show my Brother this thread.
I think the large screen, and LCD-2 720p display is much nicer than the iPhone4 display in my opinion. Viewing web pages on the One-X will be night and day better than the iPhone4, plus the One-X is overall a faster and smoother phone too.
the answer: lol
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HTC One X vs iPhone 5 in a few months. I don't like iOS but looking forward to what the new iPhone brings to the table.
Anyways to answer your question,
Android is open source unlike the closed source of iOS. You can customise till your heart bleeds.
Android is well supported by plenty of devs whether it be roms, applications anything.
The one x has a bigger screen so better for Web browsing and such.
The one x is newer and should pack a better camera than the ip4.
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This is first time i'm excited to see an iphone release though. Wanted to see their design. If it looks like the latest leaked picture, damn its kinda cool. Looks premium to me. But one thing why i wont buy iphone is, iOS and itunes. So unless u're good or familiar with itunes, u cant use it. ios, nothing to say, its very closed and controlled.
Might as well wait for iphone 5 if your brother can wait. Or convince it with ur gnexus first on what Android can do.
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This is first time i'm excited to see an iphone release though. Wanted to see their design. If it looks like the latest leaked picture, damn its kinda cool. Looks premium to me. But one thing why i wont buy iphone is, iOS and itunes. So unless u're good or familiar with itunes, u cant use it. ios, nothing to say, its very closed and controlled.
Might as well wait for iphone 5 if your brother can wait. Or convince it with ur gnexus first on what Android can do.
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Itunes is fine its the whole having to use Itunes to manage the phone is the issue. Itunes on the mac is excellent my choice of player. But no drag and drop is the main issue.
Jail broken devices are fine but for stock users it is a pain.
The iPhone is the only threat to android devices until Windows matures.
iOS is good for those who just want a phone to work and need no tweaks and such hence why many users like them. Whatever anyone says they market well and their customer service is good go into an Apple shop and they'll replace your device.
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iOS is good for those who just want a phone to work and need no tweaks and such hence why many users like them. Whatever anyone says they market well and their customer service is good go into an Apple shop and they'll replace your device.
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Uh.
No.
I do not like apple/iOS/iPhone.
But there is one big advantage on iPhone vs Android (actually 2 for me). Ofc jailbroken(As apple doesn't care much about this and warranty claims are easier. Just "update" or "restore" your phone and np)
1. Google lockinfo or intelliscreen. There is no REAL alternative to this in the Android world yet.
2. Hacking Exchange policy. Not even rooted devices can break the security on some device administrators. There are some but its either NO or ALL security option. On the iOS actually I could bypass the security pin and install Android style pattern unlock.
But thats just about it
The iOS/iPhone might stink and no where near Android but a jailbroken iPhone is on par with a rooted android in some stuffs, in others even better, some much worse
But I learned to live with it. I hated only one button and space used for stupid menus omni present. hooray android .... bleh 3-dot menu... wtf? hopefully next update will fix this nonsense.
Firstly I was an iPhone user of 3 years and last month purchased my first Android powered device, the HOX.
In my opinion (which I'm entitled to for the pyros' out there ;P) if you're the sort of user that just wants something to work then the iPhone just delivers that on a much more complete level.
So when coming from an iPhone and the Android system is used for the first time, the user will find it a bit more fragmented and the things you assume that should come stock in an OS may actually be an app instead.
The HOX is a better phone over all by a long shot. It is much faster and smoother than an iPhone 4 (which was my last iOS device) and the extra configuring you can do is great for those who can be bothered, but the down side is some of them are a bit bewildering as there is no layman's explanation of the setting, also you can only have the same tone for all types of notifications, so you cannot tell by the sound whether you got an sms or a social media update.
Screen size is a great step up, but is the batteries worst enemy. I found the external speaker to be not as loud as the iPhone, but the earpiece speaker for phone calls to be better. I find the touch keyboard on the HOX to not be as responsive and you need to be a lot more accurate when typing as sometimes nothing happens when I touch a letter when typing. You can instead choose to "speak" or "dictate" instead and this works very well indeed.
I use a MAC, so syncing my music is not an option unless I get an app. In my opinion the world has moved on from "drag and drop" PC's to mobile devices, so this is a let down as I don't think it's that hard for the manufacturers to make it sync with a few different PC operating systems. I found iTunes very simple to use, the wireless sync was great and comforting to know that if I lost my iPhone then the replacement would carry on from where the last one stopped.
I guess the rest is going to come down to how he uses his phone, so I can only try to give my experience with the HOX so far. I really like the phone, I don't miss my iPhone, sure some parts of the Android system frustrate me, but then so did iOS. All I can say is, give it time, you'll get over the pitfalls and really enjoy the device.
It's not really a question of One X vs iPhone, it's more Android vs iOS. Personally I have had 2 iPhones (3gs & 4) and hated them. I do not like iTunes one bit, but must admit the simplicity of the backup and restore function is fantastic because should you loose/damage your phone and need a replacement then your new hndest gets set up exactly how you had your previous one. That for me is the ONLY benefit of iOS/iTunes over Android. With Android you can do everything you can on iOS and so much more, there is a lot more freedom to customise to your liking. So as I said it comes down to iOS vs Android, and that's where the confusion begins because which Android handset do you choose??? I've had quite a few Androids now, Sony X10/ HTC Desire (2 of them) Desire HD, Sensation XE, Samsung GS2, and now the HOX. I plumped for the HOX for it's fantastic build and looks and prefer Sense over Samsungs TW. There are obviously alternative Androids out there but you wont go far wrong with a HOX, and by all accounts yet anothere OTA update is due in the next few weeks wich apparently makes it even more stable than it already is
AUXRVIII said:
also you can only have the same tone for all types of notifications, so you cannot tell by the sound whether you got an sms or a social media update.
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This is not true, you can have a different tone for every single notification you get. In the main menu there is only a "Default Notification" setting, but in the apps themselves there is usually a setting to change the tone for that particular app, and there are also apps available on Play Store to download more for free
Ok, thanks, I'll look into that. That is one of the points I was trying to put across though.
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Ok, thanks, I'll look into that. That is one of the points I was trying to put across though.
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No worries. If you're new to Android it's something you might miss, but it is there. It's the same with anything though, moving from one OS to another be it on mobile/desktop or whatever, there are bound to be things that are done differently, it's just a case of geting used to it. Since moving to Android, I for one can say I will never go back to iOS, but each to their own. iOS definately has it's benefits and it's drawbacks as does Android, I'm no Fanboy (too old for that, lol), but it's going to be down to preference, and until you use both for a period of time then you're never going to find all those benefits or drawbacks. Some people just don't like change though and will prefer to stick with what they know, so to the OP, really your brother needs to get his hands on a HOX or another similar performing Android device and try it out for himself because no amount of forum posts is going to make his mind up for him
I am new to Android and not super tech savvy, but I find it all interesting and enjoy new exploring and learning new gadgets.
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I am new to Android and not super tech savvy, but I find it all interesting and enjoy new exploring and learning new gadgets.
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I've just posted this elsewhere, but if it helps a little, to change your tone from the default notification one you ave set in a different app, go to the specific app, lets say SMS....In the top right click the 3 Dot Menu > Settings > Notifications....In there you can change to the tone you want for SMS. It will be the same in Gmail, Calander etc....Not all apps will do this but "most" will. To add your own custom tones e.g. downloaded from the internet, create a folder on the SD card and name it Notifications. Drop the tone you want in there, reboot your phone and the new tone should be available in any notification menu. Since you say you're new to Android, Welcome
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I've just posted this elsewhere, but if it helps a little, to change your tone from the default notification one you ave set in a different app, go to the specific app, lets say SMS....In the top right click the 3 Dot Menu > Settings > Notifications....In there you can change to the tone you want for SMS. It will be the same in Gmail, Calander etc....Not all apps will do this but "most" will. To add your own custom tones e.g. downloaded from the internet, create a folder on the SD card and name it Notifications. Drop the tone you want in there, reboot your phone and the new tone should be available in any notification menu. Since you say you're new to Android, Welcome
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Thanks again, I usually keep away from forums due to the negativity towards people who don't understand or are a little clueless are treated like they should have been born knowing all this stuff, but your contribution has been more refreshing.
AUXRVIII said:
Firstly I was an iPhone user of 3 years and last month purchased my first Android powered device, the HOX.
In my opinion (which I'm entitled to for the pyros' out there ;P) if you're the sort of user that just wants something to work then the iPhone just delivers that on a much more complete level.
So when coming from an iPhone and the Android system is used for the first time, the user will find it a bit more fragmented and the things you assume that should come stock in an OS may actually be an app instead.
The HOX is a better phone over all by a long shot. It is much faster and smoother than an iPhone 4 (which was my last iOS device) and the extra configuring you can do is great for those who can be bothered, but the down side is some of them are a bit bewildering as there is no layman's explanation of the setting, also you can only have the same tone for all types of notifications, so you cannot tell by the sound whether you got an sms or a social media update.
Screen size is a great step up, but is the batteries worst enemy. I found the external speaker to be not as loud as the iPhone, but the earpiece speaker for phone calls to be better. I find the touch keyboard on the HOX to not be as responsive and you need to be a lot more accurate when typing as sometimes nothing happens when I touch a letter when typing. You can instead choose to "speak" or "dictate" instead and this works very well indeed.
I use a MAC, so syncing my music is not an option unless I get an app. In my opinion the world has moved on from "drag and drop" PC's to mobile devices, so this is a let down as I don't think it's that hard for the manufacturers to make it sync with a few different PC operating systems. I found iTunes very simple to use, the wireless sync was great and comforting to know that if I lost my iPhone then the replacement would carry on from where the last one stopped.
I guess the rest is going to come down to how he uses his phone, so I can only try to give my experience with the HOX so far. I really like the phone, I don't miss my iPhone, sure some parts of the Android system frustrate me, but then so did iOS. All I can say is, give it time, you'll get over the pitfalls and really enjoy the device.
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Hey there, welcome to android for starters lol
Just with the syncing of music, I use double twist player on my phone and pc. The pc version mirrors your itunes library and playlists and allows syncing wirelessly as well.
I know its not the same as syncing directly, but I find it's the next easiest thing especially if you have playlists or just want to sync wireless
kylec said:
Hey there, welcome to android for starters lol
Just with the syncing of music, I use double twist player on my phone and pc. The pc version mirrors your itunes library and playlists and allows syncing wirelessly as well.
I know its not the same as syncing directly, but I find it's the next easiest thing especially if you have playlists or just want to sync wireless
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Thanks, I discovered the app today and downloaded it but have not yet used it.
No wanting to derail this thread any more, so thanks to all who have been helpful.
My Brother having the cold shakes like a crack addict without his Apple
I setup his One-X the way I would use it, some cool Widgets, a few good apps, runs fast and smooth, looking great. He's all like the power button on top sucks, hard as hell to turn the screen on one handed, where the iPhone has easy middle thumb button to turn the screen on. ( personally I HATE that thumb button on the iPhone ) He said the One-X is very wide, hard to one hand and hit the back button.
He is freaking out with the big adjustment LOL Never been away from the walled garden before
I told him give it at least the full month you have to return it, can't give up on it after just a couple of days, you'll need 2 to 3 weeks to adjust.
HTC Phone sales: 7,3 m
HTC Pkone sales drop: -42,5%
This is only in the Q3 2012 !
What is happening?
seriously a new post for this? its been discussed in many threads
everyone hates HTC for the lack of SD expansion despite the big storage, the battery issues despite rushing for the slim SGS2 last year which seems to have confused HTC about which is more imporant, they also hate it for not providing OTA faster than google
and the defects on the One X early launch and the US import block from apple on the One series
finally HTC can't afford the mass advertising of samsung
so yea, we all wanted HTC down and it is going down
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HTC Phone sales: 7,3 m
HTC Pkone sales drop: -42,5%
This is only in the Q3 2012 !
What is happening?
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You wonder about it? I don't. HTC does the same mistakes over and over again, losing customers, maintaining their bad image.
its ok they are going back to their windows root as you can see by their 8x
Also S-On. That alone has caused many to not buy HTC devices anymore. I won't be buying their devices that are S-On ever again. (Not that you care what I think, just if enough people think like I do....their sales will drop even more)...
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Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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I am really sorry I honestly don't find the point about this thread.
If HTC goes bankrupt that is their thing, or are you their spy sent here to discuss and try to convince us to buy more of "your" product?
Too bad you fai....
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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:good: super post
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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oh my god this guy is spot on. exactly what i wanted to say for a long time, to be honest i think they died mostly because of marketing, i dont see much of HTC's marketing compare to Samsung, everyone agree the HOX is an awesome phone but not so many people know about it, combined with the money lost from buying Beats. I'm kind of tired of people *****ing about sense, 32gb is not much, no sd card, removable battery, seriously MOST normal user (not the geek like us here on XDA) dont care about those things, oh yeah and one more thing, i love sense. LOL
Possibly also gonna be one of my last phone by HTC - for now... My phone is getting repaired for 250 euros and then i'm going to sell it for 250 euros (basically giving it away without profit). I already have a buyer and i will get the nexus 4 from google for only 300 euros. (i'm only doing this because it costs me 50$ more to get a nexus 4, since i have to get it repaired either way, eh?). If the nexus4 didn't have such a great money/specification ratio i would have probably stayed one x.
pros: I love htc's design, i love sense, it does feel different.
cons:
Their UI is good, but it comes with consequences, sadly due to my screen breaking i don't think i'll be experiencing sense with jelly bean. As good as 2.17 has gotten, IMO it's not there yet in terms of performance. I can't describe how much the app drawar annoys the living crap out of me. (I think JB fixes it though)
Display is wonderful, but why in their right mind would they put a 1800 mAh battery in a quadcore phone with a 40nm processor? I monitor my battery whenever i use it as if there's no tomorrow. You end up reaching a point where you think, okay can't touch this or that. Might get a sporadic % drop that will leave me with nearly no juice at all.
Even before rooting my phone, it would drop by 5 sometimes even more % at a time. This fault seems to not only be in the one x, but it also seems to show same crappy stats on the HTC Cha Cha(given to me by my provider) which i'm using now till my one x comes back.
IMO they seem to be doing a lot of things right and well, but if you are doing more wrong than right then that's where a company has two think twice about what they are doing.
That's not to say that other companies do not have their problems. Samsung has its faults too. But i feel as though with that company the wrongs don't outweigh the rights. I feel as though they(HTC) still haven't learned about simple things. I remember reading their blog about how important a thin phone is. It is important, but those 0.2~3 mm for the sake of a little bit more battery would satisfy users much more than having a device with 0.2~0.3mm less thickness and therefor less battery.
There's a reason they are not earning money and they should look into it asap.
edit: this seems like a rant. No! I honestly have not seen a nicer screen than the one on my ONE X. But despite the gorgeous screen i can't see it justifying those few faults by htc. (One thing i must admit - once i went SLCD2 i can't convince myself to go back to amoled that's one of the only main reasons i've also considered for going with the nexus4 is also because of the IPS screen which is said to be good. If it were amoled i honestly would have canceled this decision and stayed with the one x this round)
This is my first HTC device, and this is the opinion of a first time HTC user. Me and a friend had WiFi issues and screen gap etc. etc.
This doesn't leave us with a good taste in our mouth. I can really imagine long term users wanting to stay with HTC and that's understandable. This small mistake at the beginning though, has left people still worried about buying an htc one x to date. Still posts pop up about concerns. The first impression is the most important - especially to users wanting to convert to a new company - and as a company that was already in a bit of a trouble they really messed it up this time around. Lets hope htc does it right with tegra 4 a15s. Maybe faith can be restored. Hope it gets back on track because a world with samsung and apple only would suck major balls.
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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One thing, dunno if any of you agree.
Those 4,3% and 2% customers are the ones who talk on and on about smartphones on the internet.
Which causes, rumours.. self advertisement.. and I think the resources spent on granting the happiness of these communities will do no harm, in finance or whatsoever.
always wise my friend shehadeh
HTC used to be the top...
My kaiser, my N1,, and now my Senny, are all real good phones.
The sensation form factor with the curve edge screen and removable battery/entire case should have been the standard going forward.
Unfortunately, they are not pushing out anything ground breaking anymore, just following the curve, not creating it, not to mention, their ads really suck compared to the Samsung ones.
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omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
thekillingroad said:
One thing, dunno if any of you agree.
Those 4,3% and 2% customers are the ones who talk on and on about smartphones on the internet.
Which causes, rumours.. self advertisement.. and I think the resources spent on granting the happiness of these communities will do no harm, in finance or whatsoever.
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It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
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No sorrys, I called all of us nerds couple of times in the JB thread =)
I did recommend an iPhone to my own sister, to her husband, to a random guy who just asked stuff about my HD2 in an elevator of a mall.. etc Of course what I meant was not misleading ppl, but I think you did get the idea of what I meant by saying the self advertisement.
exactly what I was trying to say that they are coming from geek area, and they should not lose this while trying to sail into oceans.
Ok staying in the geek area is not that profitable at all for a large company, but forgetting it also is not a good way too.
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No sorrys, I called all of us nerds couple of times in the JB thread =)
I did recommend an iPhone to my own sister, to her husband, to a random guy who just asked stuff about my HD2 in an elevator of a mall.. etc Of course what I meant was not misleading ppl, but I think you did get the idea of what I meant by saying the self advertisement.
exactly what I was trying to say that they are coming from geek area, and they should not lose this while trying to sail into oceans.
Ok staying in the geek area is not that profitable at all for a large company, but forgetting it also is not a good way too.
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You know, in marketing theory, it`s even needed to have fanbase of market`s pioneers, but mobile area is to specific. You see it with apple. They going straight to the consumers, passing all the pioneers
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
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I'm assuming hox is HTC one x ?
Ads are very influential in certain ways for the mainstream. I remember seeing the ad for the sensation, with the little girl playing the piano, wondering what the point was. Samsung is doing very well at being the anti-Apple.
Another problem is that Samsung and lg make other products besides phones, which can influence their buying decisions, like TVs and washers. What else does HTC make?
I love HTC, but honestly, in a month or so, I'm picking up either an N4, or a GN2.
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Its just the marketing, you all hate iPhone but that makes the most money does it run android no, but people still buy it you lot are not the average tech consumers. HTC is doing bad because of marketing due to the lack of spending money. They spent their money on the wrong things. You cannot compare apple and samsung to HTC, a smartphone manufacturer you idiots. Someone said they are not doing well because of the lack of sd card and s-off you must be seriously stupid. After reading all of these comments I can tell you all one thing business lessons didn't do you a favour did it. I'am a business student I have experience believe me it's just marketing and brand image.
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After service very suck in my country.
You can only sell me one time!
Repaire part very expensive!
Used to love this brand but not anymore.
Wifi problem,broken color in phone's body,USB problem,battery sucker.
No warranty cause unlocked bootloader but you never check my phone yet but only telling unlock you will never check anything.
Bye bye.
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
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Maybe we are a small percentage of users...but as someone else mentioned, we do influence family and friends buying habits. Not only that but I've seen quite a few devs drop HTC devices for Samsung BECAUSE of the locked bootloaders.
There are 4 million xda users. If a small percentage of us influence others it does add up. All of these decisions add up.
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