Moto E 2nd Gen running in 32-bit mode despite 64-bit CPU and OS??? - E 2015 Accessories

Hi guys,
I've read in the Motorola forums (if you can call that mess a forum, ugh) that the Moto E 2nd Gen LTE "only" runs in 32-bit mode instead of 64-bit.
How can that be if the OS (Lollipop and Marshmallow) are both 64-bit OSs? Did Motorola exchange the kernel with a 32-bit one?
I get why they decided to let the phone run in 32- bit. Still, seems pretty odd to me to build a phone designed for a 64-bit OS and deliberately let it run in 32-bit mode.
Waste of potential, if you ask me.
Has someone more/better info on this?
Someone asked about it and got this answer:
UserDemos said:
Does the Moto E LTE (2nd Gen.) run 64-bit Android or does it run 32-bit? The Snapdragon 410 is 64-bit compatible, however it can run in either mode. What is Motorola running on the Moto E LTE (2nd Gen.)?
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Matt (Forums Manager) said:
It runs 32-bit mode for best use of memory, compatibility and performance
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Damn, wrong forum. Sorry, guys. Can please move it to Q&A? Thanks!
I made a mistake. Thought Lollipop was a 64-bit OS, but it is 32-bit. Now it makes sense. My bad. Thread can be closed.

Both Lollipop and Marshmallow can be either 32 bit or 64 bit. In the case of Moto E, we use 32 bit mainly because of the lack of RAM (1GB).
While I agree with you that Snapdragon 410 was meant to be used with 64 bit OS, the performance difference between 32 bit and 64 bit would be very little (even if Moto E had 2GB RAM).
64 bit architectures were recently introduced to mobile devices in order to exceed the 3GB RAM wall. In other words a 32 bit OS (or CPU) can not handle more than 3GB of RAM.
To sum up, our Moto E will probably never get a 64 bit OS, because the performance will be much worse.

Thanks for the answer. That cleared up a lot of stuff. So when it runs on 32 bit will I still be able to experience the new features of ARMv8?

No because kernel is only armv7.

So it's totally pointless then to build a smartphone with a 64-bit CPU in this case *facepalm*

there is no other chip like that with 32 bit only, every sd410 phone with less than 2gb of ram is 32 bit only so it's not a bad decison. If cpu support something it doesn't mean that you will get that in low end phone.

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Win seven rom for s620

Dear All,
Can we expect that in future we will have the ROM of win7 for Excalibure?
Thanks
Little something to read regards HD2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5351524&postcount=1
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
stylez said:
Little something to read regards HD2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5351524&postcount=1
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
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I hear you!, even though the Dash is still an awesome device, it will be more like a touch pro 2 , or a different new device that will have the 7.0, shoot M$ just released 6.5 not even 4 or 5 months ago, I'm sure it will be a while and, we'll have a beta version of the 7 way before it will be released.
stylez said:
Little something to read regards HD2
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
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never say never. we've seen how programmers and cooks have taken windows xp and customized it into usable os's for low end pc's. tiny xp being just one example of this.
so i have full confidence that our cooks here can create a recipe that will be usable on our excaliburs. good luck guys.
I hate to be a downer, but with under 100 MB of ram (68 MB I believe, most of which is used already by the OS and other functions, leaving the user with around 20 MB) and a very small ROM size (newer OS = more space taken) AND a processor clocking in at no more than 250 Mhz OVERCLOCKED, it doesn't seem possible for a Windows 7 ROM to run on our beloved phones.
Notice how with every new OS, the space requirements go up and up (this applies to all devices) whereas XP used somewhere around 6GB I believe and 7 now uses up to 17GB ... If Win7 Mobile proves to be a GREAT (and I mean phenomenal) OS, then there is the chance, but I wouldn't get hopes up too high [especially since our Excaliburs are becoming yesterday's model and chefs are scarce in these parts].
you do relise the newq os takes less space then old xp right? the old xp is so bloated now with updates that if they can slim it down they can slim down win 7 not to mention there is a starter version of 7 made for netbooks, however even the full version runs well on my small netbook, and it has only 1 gig total ram. infact im typing this on my win7 home premium netbook right now.
after a bit of googling i realized you're probably right. the specs required for the new windows mobile 7 OS as reported, will be too much for the excalibur to handle. i still think there are people that could size it down but it would be a job for sure. you'd still need to have those core windows system files.... but as with other OS' they always include bloatware that can be removed to improve functionality. guess we'll have to wait and see...
on the plus side, there is a work in progress attempting to port the new android OS over to the excalibur. it is based on a linux kernal. from what i've read it's bootable but they still have some work to do on it. more on that can be read about here...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435934
this will probably be my future OS for this phone when they get it to a workable beta stage. hopefully soon
update: work continued here... vvv.sourceforge.net/apps/trac/wing-linux/wiki
sorry to hijack btw
Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
I hate to be a downer, but with under 100 MB of ram (68 MB I believe, most of which is used already by the OS and other functions, leaving the user with around 20 MB) and a very small ROM size (newer OS = more space taken) AND a processor clocking in at no more than 250 Mhz OVERCLOCKED, it doesn't seem possible for a Windows 7 ROM to run on our beloved phones.
Notice how with every new OS, the space requirements go up and up (this applies to all devices) whereas XP used somewhere around 6GB I believe and 7 now uses up to 17GB ... If Win7 Mobile proves to be a GREAT (and I mean phenomenal) OS, then there is the chance, but I wouldn't get hopes up too high [especially since our Excaliburs are becoming yesterday's model and chefs are scarce in these parts].
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stylez said:
Little something to read regards HD2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5351524&postcount=1
As you will see windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed...
And considering the new phones will only be supported since processors and amount of RAM has changed substantially since the Excalibur, we will probably never see it running on our old beloved devices...
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youngdaddytc said:
after a bit of googling i realized you're probably right. the specs required for the new windows mobile 7 OS as reported, will be too much for the excalibur to handle. i still think there are people that could size it down but it would be a job for sure. you'd still need to have those core windows system files.... but as with other OS' they always include bloatware that can be removed to improve functionality. guess we'll have to wait and see...
on the plus side, there is a work in progress attempting to port the new android OS over to the excalibur. it is based on a linux kernal. from what i've read it's bootable but they still have some work to do on it. more on that can be read about here...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435934
this will probably be my future OS for this phone when they get it to a workable beta stage. hopefully soon
update: work continued here... vvvv,//sourceforge.net/apps/trac/wing-linux/wiki
sorry to hijack btw
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How do u think about this video? this device is like HTC Elf which has only 64MB of RAM and 200 MHz of CPU.
Anyways, i hope Windows Mobile 7 can be similar to Windows 7 that can run faster event 1GB of RAM if we compare with Vista.
i think as a company, microsofts target market is the user with a newer smartphone/ppc. i wouldnt be surprised if they had some deal with the cell phone makers that requires you to have to buy a new cell phone to be able to use the newer OS. however, i still hold out hope that the hackers will break down the Mobile OS itself and get it running like a pro.
vid still looks nice though. the date on the upload was 2008 so im sure there has been much work on it since then. beta testing anyone?
youngdaddytc said:
i think as a company, microsofts target market is the user with a newer smartphone/ppc. i wouldnt be surprised if they had some deal with the cell phone makers that requires you to have to buy a new cell phone to be able to use the newer OS. however, i still hold out hope that the hackers will break down the Mobile OS itself and get it running like a pro.
vid still looks nice though. the date on the upload was 2008 so im sure there has been much work on it since then. beta testing anyone?
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I agree that M$ will require the user to buy new phone with new OS but here, xda site, is ROM testing place before the final product is out on the market.
dolphinxda said:
How do u think about this video? this device is like HTC Elf which has only 64MB of RAM and 200 MHz of CPU.
Anyways, i hope Windows Mobile 7 can be similar to Windows 7 that can run faster event 1GB of RAM if we compare with Vista.
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I think that a 201MHz CPU /64MB RAM device is more than capable of running WAD Since they can run M2D fine
Info:
Device: HTC Touch (elf)
Skin name: Windows Mobile 7 i3
(i3 = 3 interface)
Skin version: QVGA
Used: WAD2 and WA3
Created by: Bornotty[me] (from scratch of Port'n V2)
Release date: Soon!
its got the 3 different interfaces for your device at one skin, now you can switch by your mood and never get bored with it.
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sorry for the bad video quality ^_^
Based on Port'n V2 by enCOre special thanx to somjait for converting it into qvga
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Haha Stylez, I was just about to comment on that video.
Regarding the user who mentioned that Win7 is smaller than XP, I would like you to double-check that, or maybe check it for the first time, becuase I am more than 99% sure that due to the immense amount of Hardware Acceleration and other optimizational code in the Win7 core, the size of it is larger than XP. You can see this also by the fact that Win7 asks if you want to make a partition for the OS alone (which turns out to be 16-17GB) while XP (which I have installed on my own HDD) takes up no more than 18GB on my 75GB HDD and that is with all my usual apps installed (3Ds Max, Visual Studio (Full), Adobe suite ALTERNATIVES, Firewall/AV, plus all the other random freeware I tend to install for the heck of it) [I estimated around 6-7 because of the apps installed]...Also realize that the hacked XP (coined MiniXP) fits on a CD, so OBVIOUSLY there was enough to take out that it could shrink down immensely and still keep its functions... So i am pretty sure than XP doesn't take too much space...
SEMI-EDIT:: I left this window open and forgot to post, so i googled the size of an XP installation...refer to http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/size-of-xp-install/154115.html where people claim to install XP with only 1.5GB of HDD....i think that settles that...
Cyclonezephyrxz7 said:
Haha Stylez, I was just about to comment on that video.
Regarding the user who mentioned that Win7 is smaller than XP, I would like you to double-check that, or maybe check it for the first time, becuase I am more than 99% sure that due to the immense amount of Hardware Acceleration and other optimizational code in the Win7 core, the size of it is larger than XP. You can see this also by the fact that Win7 asks if you want to make a partition for the OS alone (which turns out to be 16-17GB) while XP (which I have installed on my own HDD) takes up no more than 18GB on my 75GB HDD and that is with all my usual apps installed (3Ds Max, Visual Studio (Full), Adobe suite ALTERNATIVES, Firewall/AV, plus all the other random freeware I tend to install for the heck of it) [I estimated around 6-7 because of the apps installed]...Also realize that the hacked XP (coined MiniXP) fits on a CD, so OBVIOUSLY there was enough to take out that it could shrink down immensely and still keep its functions... So i am pretty sure than XP doesn't take too much space...
SEMI-EDIT:: I left this window open and forgot to post, so i googled the size of an XP installation...refer to http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/size-of-xp-install/154115.html where people claim to install XP with only 1.5GB of HDD....i think that settles that...
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lol spot on all you need to do is notice XP Pro comes on CD & Windows 7 on DVD.. There is a reason for that
Also my XP Pro SP3 Slipstream comes in @ 1.3GB after i remove the page file "solidstate disk" so 3.3GB before
Windows 7 comes in from 5.5GB+
I don't think that it will ever get to run on the dash, just because all of the animation, interfaces, plugin's, and all the ram that's gonna be needed for newer OS's.
I'm only speaking my opinion, but aren't almost all new Win Mo devices coming out with touch screens. I think if there was any older device that would get a version of WM 7 will be the Htc Tilt/Kaiser that has 112mb storage and 101mb ram, or the Htc Fuze/Raphael that has even more, around 294mb storage and 187mb ram.
I think that it would be awesome if someone would have that much skills to make it happen but, like TouchFLO on dash never happened, Android has been on the works since october 2008 and still hasn't happened.
But anyways who knows!
I just found this vid about WinMo7 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAVg2z-SCw4&feature=related
found a very recent report on it, read up! http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
Also read this thread, I think Fuze has more of a chance on getting this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618567
roloracer said:
found a very recent report on it, read up! http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
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All speculation we have very well informed user that is stating it's based on Ce Os 7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=620477
Think the Kaiser will be left behind due to the lack of storage space and also think accelerometer gyrator going to come into play alot more with WM7 from what been reading.
But like i say all speculation, one thing i can say is the Excalibur won't as it's just too slow too small "not regards size" and it's turned out that HTC now are really a PPC adventure even though they have SP's still in the market place....
Oh i love speculation but is till have an extra kidney if need to place bets
Oh 1 more time speculation
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Oh 1 more time speculation
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Yep, speculation!
Hey Stylez! check out the youtube video I posted, and take a look at the phone the chick has running WM7 on the 1 minute and 14 second mark..
roloracer said:
Yep, speculation!
Hey Stylez! check out the youtube video I posted, and take a look at the phone the chick has running WM7 on the 1 minute and 14 second mark..
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Eazy roloracer,
Yeah it's an advert future concept cloud network. But i can see the likely hood of porting since it's still very well specked and people are stating the snapdragon doesn't add an amazing amount of difference in feel from the Qualcomm MSM750xx, but we will all have to wait and see.
Good ol speculation
keepin the fingers crossed
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keepin the fingers crossed
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Keep more than your fingers crossed "it's not going to happen if you look @ all the videos floating around it's highly gui intensive" unless they bring out a version for SP that can work on very old equipment to which considering all SP's are now about 500MHz and have far more storage & RAM it's highly unlikely...

[Q] Flash Samsung wave 723 with Galaxy 551 Firwmare

Hi guys.
Do you know samsung galaxy 551? It looks like wave 533 (size, screen resolution), but it has android instead of bada.
Would it be possible to flash 551's FW into wave 533/525/723?
Thanks.
hey man dont just dream in the sky..
comebach to the earth and deal with reality.
agreed that it can be possible but its not so easy as you think it to be.
oleg_k and other devs are engaged in android port for senior wave since long time but still there is no way out there for a functional port.
m90ultimate said:
hey man dont just dream in the sky..
comebach to the earth and deal with reality.
agreed that it can be possible but its not so easy as you think it to be.
oleg_k and other devs are engaged in android port for senior wave since long time but still there is no way out there for a functional port.
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So, don't forget that LG released Froyo for KH5200 and actually is used also for GW620 (officialy unsupported). I transformed my wife's GW620 in froyo 3 days ago with LG official release for KH5200, everything is ok and more fest than GW620's Cupcake. Never say never, she (sirlene) said that because she hopes that can help port devs to see this and test it if is possible.
Plese put here a discussion were anyone was tested a 551 fw in 533 or 525/ or 23 and finally you will be right.
I'm not fighting, this is just an earful.
there is a big difference between using a different Android platform on a device that ALREADY uses android, and putting android on a device that uses a COMPLETELY different OS core (bada with Nucleus kernel).
Maybe. but gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551. that's the point.
Is like compare a PC with linux or windows. and I can't use my OSes from my Phenom II X4 in my Atom 330 PC, but I can use Linux or Windows instead.
And finally, if I change my Atom 330 PC HDD to my Atom 230 PC the system works fine, not the same hardware but is same chipsets and compatilble processor
Think this =]
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Maybe. but gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551. that's the point.
Is like compare a PC with linux or windows. and I can't use my OSes from my Phenom II X4 in my Atom 330 PC, but I can use Linux or Windows instead.
And finally, if I change my Atom 330 PC HDD to my Atom 230 PC the system works fine, not the same hardware but is same chipsets and compatilble processor
Think this =]
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Then try this and brick your phone... If you read the Android porting thread you will see that it's not as easy as one thinks...
kimbrasil said:
Maybe. but gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551. that's the point.
Is like compare a PC with linux or windows. and I can't use my OSes from my Phenom II X4 in my Atom 330 PC, but I can use Linux or Windows instead.
And finally, if I change my Atom 330 PC HDD to my Atom 230 PC the system works fine, not the same hardware but is same chipsets and compatilble processor
Think this =]
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..but PC have not a locked bootloader and a mobile os it's not like that of a desktop
hardware seems also different, galaxy seems more powerfull but no info about cpu model of wave 723:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2582&view=1&c=samsung_gt-i5510_galaxy_551
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Wave-723_id4867
Ya guys, I know, but m90ultimate was very rude with gislene and don't understood what she really tried to be grasped.
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gislene said that because she believes 533 maybe is same or compatible hardware from 551.
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The hope was that devices have very similar engineering. I know the processors are quite different, the huge Cortex 1GHz architecture is not like a simple ARM 650MHz, but I really can't say if the simple ARM system will not work in Cortex processor. And maybe the system inside have I/O compatibility with some Samsung models, to simplify the production. Korean mobile brands always make this (Ezio, LG and Samsung), using the same Qualcomm or MediaTek like chipsets for all line production with same RTOS layer.
I exemplified with PC to explain what she said. And I know the protection layer of Bada devices is so hard to be unbreaked, not so simple like install a new OS in PC or change HDDs.
And really who try that is because have enough knowledge in how to unbrick and recover the device if the other fw don't work, is not a "dream in the sky".
PS: If I reprogram my PC BIOS with other MoBo BIOS possibly will brick it and maybe burn it! thats obvious!

[REVIEW] PiPO X7 Quadcore Windows Box for less than $100

Hi all,
I'm currently in the process of reviewing the PiPO X7 and have decided to share my findings as so many people are asking questions about this tiny Windows PC.
You can see me booting it and navigating through Windows here:
I have found it excellent so far. Windows is nice and smooth, web browsing is really good and Kodi performance is great! Video playback is generally excellent unless the codec is too taxing on the limited CPU.
Let me know what you think: http://hometheatrelife.com/pipo-x7-review/
I'll keep updating it as I progress and won't give a final score until I'm satisfied.
Hi,
I bought this PiPO (actually the faster X7s, with a boosted speed of 2.16 GHz) for my fiancé for her work.
However, even after upgrading to Windows 10 both the RAM and CPU are almost constantly at 90%+ when she has splitcam running.
Seeing as her PiPO is next to the passive cooling, located on a laptop cooler (so the heat should not be a problem), does anybody know how to (more or less) permanently boost the speed to 2.16 Ghz? Any software settings in Win 10 I missed? Or maybe any Intel / third party software to make it always run at boosted speed?
Next to that the PiPO box states it currently has 2 GiB of DDR3 memory, and seeing a DDR3 strip of 4/8 GiB is not that expensive I was thinking about just adding more RAM. Does anybody know if it is possible to upgrade the RAM?
Does the MoBo support more RAM, or would I need to flash the BIOS maybe?
Thanks in advance.

x86-64 version of CyanogenMod 13 for the Z00A?

I'm new to building from source, therefore I don't fully understand how it all works. Would it be possible to grab the CyanogenMod sources and build an x86-64 version (both kernel and ROM)? I'm assuming it's not that easy, since I don't see anyone else that's already done this. I understand that the performance gain with x64 may not be substantial at all, but something about using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit capable device doesn't sit well with me.
There are a lot of posts talking about this.
Yeah, I noticed that, but haven't really gotten any solid information. I didn't really look too hard though. Last night, I tried compiling CM 13 using a couple of guides. Didn't get it to work for the x86-64 version, but was at least able to compile x86 CM. Can anybody provide a solid explanation as to why one cannot simply compile an x86-64 version of an existing ROM? Or was there something I missed?
I also had this doubt, why there are no Open GApps as well their page says - will be available when a capable device gets released...
3.8GB / 4GB, we can have extra multitask power at our disposal, I wonder how does the OP2 fares, does that device have a CM based off 64Bit ?
Ashtrix said:
I also had this doubt, why there are no Open GApps as well their page says - will be available when a capable device gets released...
3.8GB / 4GB, we can have extra multitask power at our disposal, I wonder how does the OP2 fares, does that device have a CM based off 64Bit ?
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I'm not 100% sure, however, it looks like there's an arm64 version of BlissPop for the OP2. So I wouldn't be surprised if CM is also arm64.
Ashtrix said:
I also had this doubt, why there are no Open GApps as well their page says - will be available when a capable device gets released...
3.8GB / 4GB, we can have extra multitask power at our disposal, I wonder how does the OP2 fares, does that device have a CM based off 64Bit ?
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That is different with the OP2, it is not an x86 processor. ARM64-bit kernels and such are a lot more prevalent. So far there has been no x86_64 bit kernels or roms for any x86 phone, however, we may be seeing one from Asus with the 6.0 launch because Google is dropping x86_32 bit support for future releases.
kaden93 said:
I'm not 100% sure, however, it looks like there's an arm64 version of BlissPop for the OP2. So I wouldn't be surprised if CM is also arm64.
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My guess is, unless N makes it with a new Nexus we won't be having a full 64Bit ecosystem sadly.
Ashtrix said:
My guess is, unless N makes it with a new Nexus we won't be having a full 64Bit ecosystem sadly.
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There's quite a few phones running a 64-bit version of Android, but all of them so far use the arm64 CPU architecture which is completely different from the x86_64 CPU architecture of the Intel Atom CPU within our Zenfones.
So now I guess we need to wait for ASUS to release a 64 Bit kernel soon for a 6.0.x release then we can have our taste of CM13 based on x86_64, and that wait is eternal...
The stock kernel reads 3.10.20 -X86_64 fyi
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rolfpal said:
The stock kernel reads 3.10.20 -X86_64 fyi
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I'm also aware of that, but the ROM itself is 32-bit.
The kernel is what determines whether a rom is 32 or 64 bit, a rom is just a collection of files, a 64 bit system may include 32 bit apps ( or even 16 bit in the case of windows ).
My stock (rooted) phone sees all 4 gig of ram, which is a big reason a 64 bit system is desirable. So the stock room is 64 bit.
Likely all of the roms here are also 64 bit, if they are for the zenfone 2, Z00A variant.
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rolfpal said:
The kernel is what determines whether a rom is 32 or 64 bit, a rom is just a collection of files, a 64 bit system may include 32 bit apps ( or even 16 bit in the case of windows ).
My stock (rooted) phone sees all 4 gig of ram, which is a big reason a 64 bit system is desirable. So the stock room is 64 bit.
Likely all of the roms here are also 64 bit, if they are for the zenfone 2, Z00A variant.
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not quite right, just because u can see all 4 gigs of ram doesn't mean the rom itself is 64 bit.
Yu Yuphoria, for example, uses ARM64 (ARMv8 aarch64) with a simple Snapdragon 410 @1.2GHz and 2GB RAM. Its a low-end hardware, and performs it great. BUT ARMv8 has much more improvements focused in mobile applications than AMD64/Intel EM64T (or, like you say: x86_64). A good example is the doubled NEON instruction size and make it more flexible at coding (it works like SSE for us, processing optimized instructions). It can run two 128 bit NEON instructions/clock. It make performance gains in multimedia apps and games.
This x86_64 instruction set was developed for computers and, obviously, servers (the first processor that supported x86_64 was the AMD Opteron, a server processor). So, the most focus was support more and more RAM, more registers (to support 64 bit words) with backward compatibility with no performance drop when running x86 programs. And (its good to highlight) Intel made the EM64T (its x86_64 implementation) only to make its processors compatible with the systems/program ecosystem made for AMD64 processors (the original 64 bit Intel instruction set was IA64, supported by Itanium processor, not EM64T). So, there is no "fanthastic performance gain" if you compile a ROM in x86_64, simply because the Android run bytecode, and x86_64 never had run Android VM faster as a goal. In fact, the goal wasnt to give a great performance gain even in the computers (except in specific areas, like database processing, 3D rendering, etc). I think before use x86_64 in the whole system, there is more possibilities to optimize easier the system in x86 (like a better use of SSE4 instructions).
Just relax, enjoy your CM13 with the great development that we have, with the awesome FlareM kernel (its testing the real OC now), drink a beer and kiss a pretty girl.
rolfpal said:
The kernel is what determines whether a rom is 32 or 64 bit, a rom is just a collection of files, a 64 bit system may include 32 bit apps ( or even 16 bit in the case of windows ).
My stock (rooted) phone sees all 4 gig of ram, which is a big reason a 64 bit system is desirable. So the stock room is 64 bit.
Likely all of the roms here are also 64 bit, if they are for the zenfone 2, Z00A variant.
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No ROMs are 64bit. The kernel decides if it can't support a 64bit ROM, it doesn't make the ROM 64bit. Besides there will be next to no performance improvement with a 64bit rom
What if i just want to be able to run 64 bit specific apps on my phone? Dolphin emulator for instance. It works fine on my gs5, but wont load on my zenfone. A 64 bit environment would fix the issue, right?
JeffJonesX2 said:
What if i just want to be able to run 64 bit specific apps on my phone? Dolphin emulator for instance. It works fine on my gs5, but wont load on my zenfone. A 64 bit environment would fix the issue, right?
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S5 aarch64 is ARMv8, not x86_64
Wow. Duh. Sorry n thanks
The kernel itself is x86_64 (like mentioned many times already).
The rom is 32bit because all its components (except the kernel) are compiled that way.
We can't have a full 64bit rom because we can't compile certain parts as 64bit.
The most important one here are the non-free libraries from asus that only have a 32bit version and therefore only 32bit applications can run on top of them.
Any idea why theres not an app compatibility mode on the zenfone 2? Or is that just something someone dreamt?

Android 64 bits

The MOTO G5 has a 64-bit CPU.
But custom Roms are 32-bit.
What does this change in performance?
I gather that your information is not right
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how...ind-processor-you-have-arm-arm64-x86-0168051/
bookworth said:
I gather that your information is not right
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how...ind-processor-you-have-arm-arm64-x86-0168051/
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The info given by the OP is 100% right maybe you should read the specs https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/430
The CPU is a 64bit so I gather the guide you linked to is wrong as It only shows you what the CPU is running at not what the CPU can do. The moto g5 motherboard/build specs is what limits it to 32bit from my understanding but don't quote me on that as I'm not 100% sure if I'm right.
trotter2000 said:
The info given by the OP is 100% right maybe you should read the specs https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/430
The CPU is a 64bit so I gather the guide you linked to is wrong as It only shows you what the CPU is running at not what the CPU can do. The moto g5 motherboard/build specs is what limits it to 32bit from my understanding but don't quote me on that as I'm not 100% sure if I'm right.
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All that said, the phone is 32 and that's it. All other talk is theoretical gender assumption fun.
bookworth said:
All that said, the phone is 32 and that's it. All other talk is theoretical gender assumption fun.
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Theoretical gender assumption? The OP asked about the CPU! You gave poor info on what he asked.
bookworth said:
All that said, the phone is 32 and that's it. All other talk is theoretical gender assumption fun.
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Thats the best line iv read in a while on here!
Can my moto g5 be an alien female? I suppose 32 is a good age to be
Yes, the processor supports 64-bit but since we don't even have 4gb ram, no need to use 64-bit firmware.May be this is why motorola uses 32-bit firmwares in most phones.
It's all right! Thanks for the explanations.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-G5-Moto-G5-Plus/64-bit-or-32-bit-Android/m-p/3599710

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