The snapdragon version isn't available in my country, so I will have to buy the exynos (Pretty cheap right now $500 equivalent). The thing is reviews say the snapdragon doesn't lag a bit while exynos is made for a large device.
Is the performance really this bad? I'm not into eons right now by the way.
No its not worth buying the snapdragon version. My s4 is faster than my note...
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With HMP enabled there is no comparison between the two, exynos is up to 50% faster and potentially more efficient. With HMP disabled (as things currently are) then qualcomm is the slightly better chip, but I'm not convinced that the difference is enough to prefer one soc over the other...
In short Exynos 5420 is artificially neutered to seem worse than qualcomm, yet -even so- going either way won't make much of a difference...
Do you have any benchmarks to prove your claim of a speed bump of 50 %?
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There are a lot of threads about Exynos vs snapdragon, long story short
Exynos , tad better cpu
Snapdragon tad better gpu
I've had both, ended with exynos , because I didn't need 4g, but needed 32 GB ( in scandinavia 4 G seems to be 16 gb only)
Lag was more or less the same
I felt the battery time on the exynos was a tad better
They felt equally as snappy when they needed to
BUT!!!
App support was a tad better on Snapdragon, ie more apps in the plastore worked with the snapdragon version, a few more games etc... no big deal for me, but still get me ticked of when I noticed a few apps I bought weren't compatible ( yet?!) with the new exynos chip ( but worked with my sammy S3 also exynos chip, older )
Exynos is fine. I've played with both and from a UI and app use perspective you can't tell the difference. Adreno's a bit faster than Mali but no so much as to drastically alter performance. Some games are better optimized for Adreno so depending on your choice of games it could make a difference. As for app compatibility it's more likely the 2,560x1,600 display that's causing the issue not the specific SoC. If there were huge differences between Exynos and S-800 or drastic app performance differences and app compatibility issues it would be all over the N3 forum and it's not.
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Do you have any benchmarks to prove your claim of a speed bump of 50 %?
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HMP for 8 cores have not yet released but look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note, so by adding two more large cores you can expect the score to be about 50% more. As I said that is only true were all 8 cores would be used at the same time and they are not throttled (that is why I said "up to").
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Look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note
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Not really. It also has a 267 PPI display which is benefitting its graphics scores in AnTuTu compared to the SGS4 at 441 PPI and N3 at 386 PPI.
http://www.nairaland.com/1597298/samsung-budget-galaxy-note-neo
S-800 vs. Exynos on the N3...
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Not really. It also has a 267 PPI display which is benefitting its graphics scores in AnTuTu compared to the SGS4
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I was more properly referring to CPU scores which are the only ones benefitted from HMP.
I ran a quick AnTuTu (cpu) test to my Exynos 5420 equipped note and here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/zD32DZQ.png
Notice how remarkably similar they are to note neo's cpu score:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/01/sgn3n-leak/gsmarena_006.jpg&idNews=7538
Note that note neo has only two large cores which are clocked lower by 10% compared to exynos 5420 and it still posts almost the same score merely by employing the help of the small cores. Now add two large cores more and you'd get 50% more performance, it's simple math really...
Now I'm not saying that it would be a performance that we would actually see in most occasions , it would either be throttled or -even- not supported by most apps but still it's potentially there (which was my point by saying "up to").
What will *definitely* be there if HMP is to be enabled is better battery -though- as it would make more efficient use of the small cores. Since exynos 5422 is also on 28nm yet has HMP enabled leads me to believe that we lack HMP for strategic reasons (so that samsung will sell more exynos 5422 / qualcomm equipped machines)
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I was more properly referring to CPU scores which are the only ones benefitted from HMP.
I ran a quick AnTuTu (cpu) test to my Exynos 5420 equipped note and here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/zD32DZQ.png
Notice how remarkably similar they are to note neo's cpu score:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/01/sgn3n-leak/gsmarena_006.jpg&idNews=7538
Note that note neo has only two large cores which are clocked lower by 10% compared to exynos 5420 and it still posts almost the same score merely by employing the help of the small cores. Now add two large cores more and you'd get 50% more performance, it's simple math really...
Now I'm not saying that it would be a performance that we would actually see in most occasions , it would either be throttled or -even- not supported by most apps but still it's potentially there (which was my point by saying "up to").
What will *definitely* be there if HMP is to be enabled is better battery -though- as it would make more efficient use of the small cores. Since exynos 5422 is also on 28nm yet has HMP enabled leads me to believe that we lack HMP for strategic reasons (so that samsung will sell more exynos 5422 / qualcomm equipped machines)
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You can't divorce the impact of display area size and PPI from CPU performance. The GPU doesn't absolve the CPU's role in graphics output. An i3 PC with a killer graphics card will perform worse graphically than an i7 PC with a lesser card because most computational (not rendering, texture mapping, vectoring, and decoding) work is still done on the CPU. So I have no idea what AnTuTu's testing to come up with a CPU rating in isolation but if it's a real-time performance test the CPU's role in graphics output is impacting it. So comparing the Neo with a 5.5" display and 267 PPI against the N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display and 299 PPI isn't going to get you a relevant CPU comparison. That's why I used the N3 and SGS4 as comparisons because only the PPI is off. And the Neo would be well behind the SGS4 in the cumulative AnTuTu test if it had the same PPI because the lower workload of the lower PPI is artificially enhancing its score. At the end of the day an isolated CPU number is pretty meaningless. It's like bench horsepower in a car vs. horsepower to the wheels. A higher bench rating means nothing because none of us drive an engine, we drive a car. The total AnTuTu number (AKA: drive train loss) is more relevant even though it doesn't support the point you're trying to make about HMP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit#Computational_functions
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You can't divorce the impact of display area size and PPI from CPU performance. The GPU doesn't absolve the CPU's role in graphics output. An i3 PC with a killer graphics card will perform worse graphically than an i7 PC with a lesser card because most computational (not rendering, texture mapping, vectoring, and decoding) work is still done on the CPU. So I have no idea what AnTuTu's testing to come up with a CPU rating in isolation but if it's a real-time performance test the CPU's role in graphics output is impacting it. So comparing the Neo with a 5.5" display and 267 PPI against the N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display and 299 PPI isn't going to get you a relevant CPU comparison. That's why I used the N3 and SGS4 as comparisons because only the PPI is off. And the Neo would be well behind the SGS4 in the cumulative AnTuTu test if it had the same PPI because the lower workload of the lower PPI is artificially enhancing its score. At the end of the day an isolated CPU number is pretty meaningless. It's like bench horsepower in a car vs. horsepower to the wheels. A higher bench rating means nothing because none of us drive an engine, we drive a car. The total AnTuTu number (AKA: drive train loss) is more relevant even though it doesn't support the point you're trying to make about HMP.
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Maybe so, but the benchmark in question runs off screen. So while in real life resolution matter in Antutu Cpu score, or super pi , or, or, it doesn't. HMP will make the Cpu 50% faster in multi threaded operations, I never claimed it makes the total machine faster by the same amount. For example an HMP equipped note 2014 will score around 40000 in Antutu , NOT 49500. I don't see where we disagree, I merely think you misunderstood my initial claim
If you live for real world use, the Exynos Note is a wonderful tablet. If you live in the world of needing the highest quadrant and antutu scores you should pass.
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With HMP enabled there is no comparison between the two, exynos is up to 50% faster and potentially more efficient. With HMP disabled (as things currently are) then qualcomm is the slightly better chip, but I'm not convinced that the difference is enough to prefer one soc over the other...
In short Exynos 5420 is artificially neutered to seem worse than qualcomm, yet -even so- going either way won't make much of a difference...
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How did you enable HMP? My note 3 snap dragon is so much faster than my note.
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HMP for 8 cores have not yet released but look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note, so by adding two more large cores you can expect the score to be about 50% more. As I said that is only true were all 8 cores would be used at the same time and they are not throttled (that is why I said "up to").
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It will never be released for Exynos 5420 either, unless Samsung want alot of complains about fried Exynos 5420 chipsets. Also they already said it wont release HMP for Exynos 5420 cause of the heat.
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It will never be released for Exynos 5420 either, unless Samsung want alot of complains about fried Exynos 5420 chipsets. Also they already said it wont release HMP for Exynos 5420 cause of the heat.
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Once again, that's not the reason that they won't release it, if anything the chip would be cooler because more use of A7 cores would be possible and if all 8 cores are needed Samsung could choose to throttle the thing. The reason that they don't release it is the Exynos 5422 which is the same chip but with all 8 cores enabled (also 28nm)...
So no fried socs, lesser profits more like
The earlier period, P6 is sold frequently in Chinese market.
4.7 inch screen CPU with a metal shell, this kind of an apparence is exhilarating. Inside the machine, quad core, 2GB RAM is reasonable for you to purchase.
HUAWEI 3X, a monster with a bigger 5.5 inch screen, but the armor is softer, plastic. Octa-core, which is rarely in China smartphones. RAM is also 2GB.
That’s a surprising point. 8-core is just that unworthy?? Oh I almost forgot, the back camera of 3X turns up to 13MP. On the other side, P6’s is just 8MP.
I don’t understand it absolutely.
Unless you say, the metal is becoming precious as time goes by.
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The earlier period, P6 is sold frequently in Chinese market.
4.7 inch screen CPU with a metal shell, this kind of an apparence is exhilarating. Inside the machine, quad core, 2GB RAM is reasonable for you to purchase.
HUAWEI 3X, a monster with a bigger 5.5 inch screen, but the armor is softer, plastic. Octa-core, which is rarely in China smartphones. RAM is also 2GB.
That’s a surprising point. 8-core is just that unworthy?? Oh I almost forgot, the back camera of 3X turns up to 13MP. On the other side, P6’s is just 8MP.
I don’t understand it absolutely.
Unless you say, the metal is becoming precious as time goes by.
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K3V2 chipset costs alot. MTK chipsets are very cheap.
The 8-core MTK chipset is comparable to the snapdragon 800 chipset(!). Yes, it is more optimized than K3V2 and yes it is way more powerful than the K3V2 used in the P6.
A simple demonstration would be an antutu test: K3V2 phones score 13k-17k with 15k average, 8core MTK chipset and 4core snapdragon 800 scores 25k to 35k and ~30k for average, snapdragon 801 scores ~33k
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K3V2 chipset costs alot. MTK chipsets are very cheap.
The 8-core MTK chipset is comparable to the snapdragon 800 chipset(!). Yes, it is more optimized than K3V2 and yes it is way more powerful than the K3V2 used in the P6.
A simple demonstration would be an antutu test: K3V2 phones score 13k-17k with 15k average, 8core MTK chipset and 4core snapdragon 800 scores 25k to 35k and ~30k for average, snapdragon 801 scores ~33k
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Why on earth the KRV2 chipset are expensive when the otherone is better. I don.t understend this phone it is driving me crazy. It is like Huawei dose not want this phone to perform equally to it.s hardwere. It is insane.
Maybe we can make a petition to hawei to force them to release the KK kernel source for the developers. If they can't do it let others that can.
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Why on earth the KRV2 chipset are expensive when the otherone is better. I don.t understend this phone it is driving me crazy. It is like Huawei dose not want this phone to perform equally to it.s hardwere. It is insane.
Maybe we can make a petition to hawei to force them to release the KK kernel source for the developers. If they can't do it let others that can.
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i wouldn't say better!!!:good:
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K3V2 chipset costs alot. MTK chipsets are very cheap.
The 8-core MTK chipset is comparable to the snapdragon 800 chipset(!). Yes, it is more optimized than K3V2 and yes it is way more powerful than the K3V2 used in the P6.
A simple demonstration would be an antutu test: K3V2 phones score 13k-17k with 15k average, 8core MTK chipset and 4core snapdragon 800 scores 25k to 35k and ~30k for average, snapdragon 801 scores ~33k
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What a perfectly accurate estimation. The question is Octa-core smartphone market is not going hotter. Generally speaking, it's reasonable to have a considerable selling. Anyway, to choose 8-core, most of them are insiders?!
What about PowerVR 6200 GPU vs Adreno 430?
A good question!
What's actually inside these processors...
Can't post outside link... Its (8) a53 processors clocked at 2.0ghz w/ powervr 6200
The 810 being (4)a53/(4)a57 big.LITTLE combo.
Long story short geekbench says the mediatek wins in multicore barely, but is smashed in single core, because it's a true octacore, but just a midrange one severely overclocked, with last generations gpu running the blinky flashy show.
this is all based on mt6795 not sure what the (t) means...
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What's actually inside these processors...
Can't post outside link... Its (8) a53 processors clocked at 2.0ghz w/ powervr 6200
The 810 being (4)a53/(4)a57 big.LITTLE combo.
Long story short geekbench says the mediatek wins in multicore barely, but is smashed in single core, because it's a true octacore, but just a midrange one severely overclocked, with last generations gpu running the blinky flashy show.
this is all based on mt6795 not sure what the (t) means...
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So, what does this mean in real world use?
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So, what does this mean in real world use?
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Last mediatek proccesors trully provide smoothness, the MTK6795T is just a flashy overclocked MTK6795, yes, it beats the SD810, even the snapdragron 805 beats the 810 in some devices, maybe is because the 810 throttles himself to the oblivion.
MediaTek SOC's are known to have crap embedded security.
Additionally if you think about the ways in which the big.LITTLE architecture works it makes a lot more logical sense than a makeup of 8 cores in a true octa-core setup.
M9+ is out, so we'll see
The pixel XI and the pixel are packed with snadragon 821 chipset wich supposed to be clocked at 2*2.35 kryo & 2*2.0 kryo but both pixel phones are clocked at 2*2.15 kryo & 2*1.6 Kryo which is exactly the same as SD820 on Lg G5 and the s7 so if someone knows what is the difference between the cpu in the pixel phones and the regular snapdragon 820 please write it down
The aqstic audio codec, a dedicated "HVX core" for the camera, a new modem, new ultra HD voLTE
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2016/10/04/pixel-phones-made-google-powered-snapdragon-821
To my best understanding the 821 is exactly the same physically as the 820 however they are the better binned versions that are able to overclock more. My brief explanation would be they are tested and found to be higher quality thus can run faster.
This website will be able to offer a better more in depth explanation of binning just think of the 821 as a better binned 820 as you read: http://androidcreations.weebly.com/cpu-binning-explained.html
With regards to the Pixel being clocked lower than what QC said the 821 is capable of my best guess would be they wanted to use less power and create less heat and tested 2.15 and 1.6 respectively as a sweet spot. The GPU is also clocked higher according the QC.