Is the 5X a worthy updgrade - Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Is the 5X a worthy updgrade - Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi
I'm looking to get a new phone. Currently I have a Moto X play and was wondering if the 5X is a good upgrade for me.
What I want from the 5X is speed, decent battery life(4 hours SOT) and good development support.
Can any 5X owners help me out?

I have never even played with Moto X play, but I can assure you that 5x is blazing fast in daily stuff and there is no problem at all with reaching above 4h SOT ( at least for me ). You have tons of custom roms, kernels and other things to play with, even if you don't want to go that far, you receive monthly security updates.

What about usb otg support?

There's no problem with it, everything works as it should. It may vary on your cable of course.

There isn't anything wrong with my X play, in fact I like it quite a bit. It has awesome battery life and nice features but limited development.
I have a nexus 7 tablet but have never had a nexus phone. I noticed that nexuses get all the good mods and guides so that's the main reason I want to get one.

Ebrahim Ali said:
There isn't anything wrong with my X play, in fact I like it quite a bit. It has awesome battery life and nice features but limited development.
I have a nexus 7 tablet but have never had a nexus phone. I noticed that nexuses get all the good mods and guides so that's the main reason I want to get one.
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The battery life will be a downgrade as the X Play has a massive battery and lower powered SoC. However I still find it adequate for 1-2 day battery life with 3-6 hours SoT depending on usage. The audio speaker probably isn't much better either.
Everything else should be a noticeable improvement, specifically the finger print reader, camera, and custom software.

If you are used to the size and weight of the X Play, could you stretch to the cost of the 6P? I have a 5X and mostly I like it but the only thing stopping me going for the 6P was the size. The 6P would seem a massive step up from the Moto where the 5X will be a baby one.

surrealjam said:
If you are used to the size and weight of the X Play, could you stretch to the cost of the 6P? I have a 5X and mostly I like it but the only thing stopping me going for the 6P was the size. The 6P would seem a massive step up from the Moto where the 5X will be a baby one.
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I had a 6p and it blew away my 5x. I had an accident with my 6p and ended up getting a 5x. Got it super cheap. I like the build quality of the 5x better as 6p is fragile and I work alot outside. I wish we had the CPU and ram the 6p has this phone would be awesome!! Don't get me wrong i love my 5x but liked my 6p more because of the 8 core and the larger ram. Looking forward to next Nexiis. ? @ op: I'd wait a few more months and see what's coming. I bet it will be great, always is. ?
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At this point in the year I would wait until the fall and see what the new Nexus phones will be. As soon as the 2016 Nexus phones are released I'm getting rid of my 5X. It's okay but no where near a keeper for me. The 6P was light-years ahead of it but I had to replace my 6P multiple times because of quality defects.
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Tbh, if you already own a Moto X Play then the N5x is no upgrade that's worth the money.
I'd suggest waiting for the next mid-range Nexus or a deal on a current flagship (LG G5 is undergoing serious price correction, at least here in Germany), if you can stretch your budget a bit.

My boss has a 6P and I played around with it a bit. It's a dam good phone but it's way too big. I find X play a bit awkward to use with one hand as well that's why I was thinking a smaller phone. The 5X is around the size of my beloved Moto G.
I realy want a nexus again if for nothing else than the development. I guess I'll wait for the new ones and make my mind up then.
Thanks guys

I'm tempted by the 6p only because of it being a Nexus device. But honestly after getting a 32gb 5x for 200. The 6p not worth it in my honest opinion. Now if you want the 6p like feel and cheaper price tag try the honor 5x. Basically same phone(of course internals are better on 6p) but has development and will continue to grow and fast because of honor release sources like they promised. Now that would be a upgrade only because the honor 5x is basically the cheap 6p fingerprint scanner, unlocked bootloader, root, custom Roms. If not then unless you can sell your x play and get a good deal on the n5x then do it.
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I dont sell my phones, I keep them and use them from time to time. Yeah the 6P is too big to use in my opinion.
Honor isn't available in my country and its a pain to import. Nexus devices are easily obtained from Orange

I agree with the others to wait a few more months. The 5X isn't all that great, with the low battery capacity being the most glaring issue for me. Though I could go on about other deficiencies with it, like even the camera app crashing at times, and some extreme lags at times. Wait for the next batch of Nexus phones and there might be something nice in there. If not, the price on the 5X will definitely drop anyway.

If you experience slow downs/lag and it's not due to temperature throttling (which happens on all phones at some point, in the end it's a closed box with no cooling, threshold is set pretty low on N5x) you could test for an unoptimised app running in the background (e.g. I found Apple Music beta to be a culprit), otherwise it could a brief moment where the phone clears some ram.
Battery life and smoothness of the system is something I wouldn't list as cons from my experience with this device.

Voicebox said:
I agree with the others to wait a few more months. The 5X isn't all that great, with the low battery capacity being the most glaring issue for me. Though I could go on about other deficiencies with it, like even the camera app crashing at times, and some extreme lags at times. Wait for the next batch of Nexus phones and there might be something nice in there. If not, the price on the 5X will definitely drop anyway.
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Try Butterfly Interactive tweak on Phasma kernel and a custom rom. Enjoy 8-9 hours of screen on time like me while getting decently low temperature of 34 C overall. It's also incredibly smooth and the ram never exceeds 1 GB. Never had a crash with apps. Everything works flawlesly here, maybe you don't know how to handle your phone, mate.

Voicebox said:
I agree with the others to wait a few more months. The 5X isn't all that great, with the low battery capacity being the most glaring issue for me. Though I could go on about other deficiencies with it, like even the camera app crashing at times, and some extreme lags at times. Wait for the next batch of Nexus phones and there might be something nice in there. If not, the price on the 5X will definitely drop anyway.
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Sounds like a bad app. My camera app has never crashed, no extreme lag even when my device gets super hot doing GPS navigation in the sun.
The next batch of Nexus phones are about 5 months away.

When I first got my 5X I loved it. But I've had it a month and the shine is definitely off the apple now. Here's what I've learned:
1) as a computer-type device, the 5X is great. It's quick, the screen is great, no bloatware. That's all good.
2) its battery life isn't the greatest, but it is good enough (having come from Droid MAXX and Droid RAZR MAXX, I have big battery expectations)
3) as a phone, the 5X sucks. The call quality is terrible. It is worse than I remember OLD cell phones 20 years ago being - conversations drop words and are garbled and you're constantly asking the person on the other end to repeat themselves. The volume to the ear piece when on regular calls is too quiet, even when set to maximum. On speakerphone, it is barely audible if there is any noise in your environment at all (like a fan, a tv, or other people talking).
So, while at its core, the 5X is a nice mobile computing device, it is a poor phone at best.

I get call quality equal to landline whenever the reception is good. I agree volume using the speaker for calls is too low (or sounds like a robot if you have to turn it all the way up), earpiece volume is alright.
Experiences on this device seem to vary a lot. Many faulty handsets.

Tom2112 said:
When I first got my 5X I loved it. But I've had it a month and the shine is definitely off the apple now. Here's what I've learned:
1) as a computer-type device, the 5X is great. It's quick, the screen is great, no bloatware. That's all good.
2) its battery life isn't the greatest, but it is good enough (having come from Droid MAXX and Droid RAZR MAXX, I have big battery expectations)
3) as a phone, the 5X sucks. The call quality is terrible. It is worse than I remember OLD cell phones 20 years ago being - conversations drop words and are garbled and you're constantly asking the person on the other end to repeat themselves. The volume to the ear piece when on regular calls is too quiet, even when set to maximum. On speakerphone, it is barely audible if there is any noise in your environment at all (like a fan, a tv, or other people talking).
So, while at its core, the 5X is a nice mobile computing device, it is a poor phone at best.
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The call quality is terrible, i find people are ALWAYS telling me they cannot hear me, i have to practically yell it to it

Related

How u guys getting on with the G4?

Im getting my g4 tomorrow, what you guys reallly think of it?
Is it a keeper or can i do better? I have nexus 6 love it but so like the look of the g4
any feed back would be great
thank you

If the size of the nexus 6 doesn't bother you I would stick with that. The g4 camera is amazing. But otherwise the nexus 6 is faster in every way. Battery lasts longer. Charges a lot faster. And of course root and unlocked boot loader. At this point I'm kind of regretting the g4. Other than the amazing camera, which really is great. I just couldn't handle the nexus 6 size. Hell my nexus 5 is faster than the g4. I'm actually using it more because of root. I miss too much of that stuff I guess.

I had the Nexus 6 and it's going back. The only thing I'll miss about the N6 is the larger screen and front facing speakers.
Battery life is much better on my G4, without a doubt. I can get about double the life out of my G4 than my nexus 6. I even hacked my N6 and installed custom kernels, amplify, app ops, greenify, bah! Battery life is terrible on the N6. The G4 charges quickly if you don't use it. If you have the screen it, it charges more slowly. I think they worry about the heat. I noticed that the G4 doesn't heat up NEARLY as much as the Nexus 6 on its fast charger (the nexus 6's I mean). The Nexus 6 got SO HOT... It was a nightmare.
The Nexus 6 screen is also a lot dimmer, and it heats up in a matter of 1 minute of use. It made it VERY uncomfortable to use, and when I'd drop it back into my pocket, my leg would get warm because of it. The G4 stays cool always, and it only gets a little warm on the fast charger, and not really at all on a normal charger. LG did a very good thing here!
Speed? The N6 is faster, and always will be, but not by a lot. I don't notice any lag, But then again I always use Nova and Touchpal keyboard.
Camera? Quality is very nice on both. I'm quite surprised. With HDR+ the Nexus 6 is very good, but focusing time is VERY VERY slow, and more of than not the subject moves. Very good quality pictures though. But the G4 has a great camera with a lot of control and it's super fast to take pictures. Just yesterday I went to a photography class and since the G4 has manual controls I used it as well as a DSLR camera that they lent us... The pictures came out outstanding!
I'd say both are good phones, but ... I like the G4 more. But I miss the screen size and the front facing speakers. I thought updates were the most important thing, but really, if the device just works, what else do you really need? The G4 just works for me right out of the box, with no fidgeting or hacking required - which I think is how a phone for a normal user should be. The N6 is awesome though for hacking! SO EASY TO ROOT AND INSTALL ROMS AND KERNELS! I couldn't believe how easy it was xD
Best of luck! Let us know what you think

cheers for the feedback guys
Will keep looking, wanted the g3 as it got really good marks so thought the g4 would be better. Dont want to go back to samsung or sony (both good phones just not my style) would of gone with the new htc if it was worth it. Love the nexus 6 loads.
Thanks again guys

I actually won my G4 somewhere, I would never buy it. I thought I was gonna sell it, new, with plastic protectors still on, but after playing with it for a while and after seeing I can unlock and root it(815), I decided to keep it. Now I've learned to love it. Well, at least until the next Nexus series comes out.

There're two things that drive me crazy with the G4. One is the touch problem (mostly with the KnockCode) and the other one is the lag in web browsers (scrolling pages). Non of these issues occurred with the G3.
I still believe that both of these issues can be fixed with software update, but I'm running out of patience.

liamR said:
There're two things that drive me crazy with the G4. One is the touch problem (mostly with the KnockCode) and the other one is the lag in web browsers (scrolling pages). Non of these issues occurred with the G3.
I still believe that both of these issues can be fixed with software update, but I'm running out of patience.
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Knock code depends on your proximity sensor, if it's covered, it won't work. Even if your fingers are to close, the sensor might still pick it up and it doesn't work.
EDIT: Oh my bad, I was talking about knock/tap to wake. Dunno bout the code though as I don't use it.

Is this phone worth it?

Hey, my iPhone decided to break on me, and I've decided to go back to Android. I've been looking at phone sizes less than 5.5" and this phone is one of them. Do you think this phone is worth it or are there any other smaller sized phones? Thanks (And ples give a phone thats atleast rootable)

Rekan_ said:
Hey, my iPhone decided to break on me, and I've decided to go back to Android. I've been looking at phone sizes less than 5.5" and this phone is one of them. Do you think this phone is worth it or are there any other smaller sized phones? Thanks (And ples give a phone thats atleast rootable)
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If you can get the 32gb one for the low $230ish prices that have been going around the last couple weeks, yes.
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I got this phone 4+ months ago after being a long time Galaxy S veteran from the first one to the sixth, and honestly the only thing I regret is the snappy response times on those phones and of course in galaxy s7 micro SD card came back too, so yea!
This phone gives you a pure Google Android experience. Whether you decide to root and/or install custom ROMs is also an option you can decide based on your needs. The Google's repository always has the latest ROM available for you to download and flash away on monthly bases if like to keep up with the updates and do a clean install of a full ROM. And about the over the air updates, if you don't like to wait for the next one to pop up some time, you can also download OTA updates from Google's repository too.
The physical build quality feels more on the cost saving side for Google and LG, and it doesn't feel as the premium phones do, but the plus side is since the back is not glass, it doesn't retain as much finger prints and stays cleaner in general. And it is light in weight.
Finger print reader works marvelously. Every single time.
Performance is good for daily use, average to low for a gamer.
Battery lasts about a day for my daily activities, if I'm on a plane or use it 5-6 hours straight (heavy use with Internet and screen brightness cranked up) I would charged twice a day.
The charging port/data port is USB type C. I had a wtf moment when I opened box and saw both sides of the charging cable having the same type of interface, but oh well. I finally bought a couple of cables for car charges, and computer.
Wifi connection is not snappy. On 2.4 GHz it lags and the ping times vary. 5 GHz connection is more reliable. I've tried using 3 different routers (airport extreme, Linksys ea8500, and a stock Xfinity router) and I've had the same experience. Not a big fan of this part as I've flashed the latest ROM onto this thing just to have a fresh clean install and got the same wifi results.
The screen is HD quality on the medium side (not 4k or retina quality for you coming over from I products) and you can check out the specs too. It is OK.
I'm happy with it in general, so do I wish I waited for the S7, yes, but you can't beat the good price on Nexus 5x either.
It is really a personal choice, but here are a few things I'd to say. It is a trade-off like everything else you buy, but I in general like it.
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Commodore 64 said:
I got this phone 4+ months ago after being a long time Galaxy S veteran from the first one to the sixth, and honestly the only thing I regret is the snappy response times on those phones and of course in galaxy s7 micro SD card came back too, so yea!
This phone gives you a pure Google Android experience. Whether you decide to root and/or install custom ROMs is also an option you can decide based on your needs. The Google's repository always has the latest ROM available for you to download and flash away on monthly bases if like to keep up with the updates and do a clean install of a full ROM. And about the over the air updates, if you don't like to wait for the next one to pop up some time, you can also download OTA updates from Google's repository too.
The physical build quality feels more on the cost saving side for Google and LG, and it doesn't feel as the premium phones do, but the plus side is since the back is not glass, it doesn't retain as much finger prints and stays cleaner in general. And it is light in weight.
Finger print reader works marvelously. Every single time.
Performance is good for daily use, average to low for a gamer.
Battery lasts about a day for my daily activities, if I'm on a plane or use it 5-6 hours straight (heavy use with Internet and screen brightness cranked up) I would charged twice a day.
The charging port/data port is USB type C. I had a wtf moment when I opened box and saw both sides of the charging cable having the same type of interface, but oh well. I finally bought a couple of cables for car charges, and computer.
Wifi connection is not snappy. On 2.4 GHz it lags and the ping times vary. 5 GHz connection is more reliable. I've tried using 3 different routers (airport extreme, Linksys ea8500, and a stock Xfinity router) and I've had the same experience. Not a big fan of this part as I've flashed the latest ROM onto this thing just to have a fresh clean install and got the same wifi results.
The screen is HD quality on the medium side (not 4k or retina quality for you coming over from I products) and you can check out the specs too. It is OK.
I'm happy with it in general, so do I wish I waited for the S7, yes, but you can't beat the good price on Nexus 5x either.
It is really a personal choice, but here are a few things I'd to say. It is a trade-off like everything else you buy, but I in general like it.
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Wow, thanks, I'm also an ex-Samsung user. Had a lot of their flagships before I brought a 6S, but the S7 for me is asking for too much money, so I'm probably going to go for this phone. Also, how is the camera quality?

Very good photo quality. It is surprisingly good during low light photos. There is also a dedicated thread for photos taken with Nexus 5x, which I found useful when reading about this phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797
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Commodore 64 said:
The screen is HD quality on the medium side (not 4k or retina quality for you coming over from I products) and you can check out the specs too. It is OK.
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Actually the 5x display is higher than retina quality (more pixels per inch) and also has more accurate colours than iPhone 6s as shown by Anandtech.
I think we can safely say the screen is better than what's used on the iPhone 6s and surpasses the "retina" base mark for pixel density.

is this phone worth getting over the lg g5?

Hey guys. I have an LG G5 currently and am getting the HTC 10 delivered tomorrow as the LG G5 GPS issue is driving me mad. What I'm wondering is, is the HTC 10 a better phone? Naturally most of you are going to be a bit bias due to owning the 10, but try and be as unbiased a possible. As I said my main issue with the G5 is that my gps is very hit and miss (miss 70% of the time) although at first it worked flawlessly for a couple of months.
I'm liking the sounds of the built in DAC and I love the build quality of the HTC 10 too. I hear the camera has been improved since launch thanks to software update? I've also heard about a pink tint to the screen, is this with all HTC 10 handsets or just the odd one?
I haven't owned a HTC since I had the M7 on release and I usually keep a phone from anywhere between 2 months to 6 months so it was easily a few years back I think? but I need a keeper for 2 full years this time around. The G5 I've had for maybe 3 months and was supposed to be my 2 year keeper lol.
Also how easy is rooting and flashing on the HTC 10? The reason I switched from the M7 was because for some reason after flashing some kernels and ROMs for months my signal had broke and WiFi had broke too with both dropping in and out every 30 seconds. I did eventually fix this but that was a couple months after getting a new phone and then I sold the M7
Thanks guys

Hi
I've just moved to the HTC 10 from the LG G5, a few days actually, and I find myself missing the G5.
The speaker on the G5 is the biggest thing I miss, it really blows the H10 away. I will be using a BT speaker for gaming and chilling when i'm away from headphones though now I've got the H10. (EDIT: this one might be up for discussion or you can judge for yourself when you get your 10, maybe even advise me if my 10 is faulty, as my 10 speaker is 50% quieter than the LG and has no bass)
The wide angle lens is the other, and the G5 camera's in general. The manual mode on the 10 is awful and in my opinion useless, but Auto produces decent shots. I will be picking up one of the lenses with Macro, Wide and Fish eye lenses from ebay see if I can get around that. The G5 is slightly smoother and quicker and I miss the G5 keyboard lol.
Aside from that the HTC 10 is a great phone, it's almost as fast as the G5 although it gets a tad hot, music through headphones is insanely loud and great quality, GPS I haven't tried yet.
Oddly enough the GPS, wifi and 4G performance on the LG G5 was the best of any phone I've used, so I don't understand the GPS issues people used to get.
Given a chance, and now after rooting and installing Viper again, I think i'll get over my missing the G5 but for now, I think the G5 is a better phone. (I am contemplating buying another to use as my work phone)
As you're getting the 10 delivered, you will work all this out anyway and probably be more than happy with the 10.

I went from a G5 to a HTC 10. The only thing I missed was the wide angle camera but thats obvious lol. The build on the 10 is just so godly. Especially coming from the G5. Its just refreshing and makes you happy when you hold it over the G5. Its pretty damn awesome lol. Other than that everything else is on par really. Well the speakers and dac are better on the 10. The screens about even probly. The battery life is better on the 10. The skins better on the 10. Over all the 10 is better in every way except it doesnt have the wide angle cam, so if you never used it youll be fine

aknotts415 said:
I went from a G5 to a HTC 10. The only thing I missed was the wide angle camera but thats obvious lol. The build on the 10 is just so godly. Especially coming from the G5. Its just refreshing and makes you happy when you hold it over the G5. Its pretty damn awesome lol. Other than that everything else is on par really. Well the speakers and dac are better on the 10. The screens about even probly. The battery life is better on the 10. The skins better on the 10. Over all the 10 is better in every way except it doesnt have the wide angle cam, so if you never used it youll be fine
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Do you think it's possible my speakers are faulty? I only ask because they're about 50% as loud as my old G5 and aside from clarity they have zero bass. I'm wondering if I should replace within 14 days? (Sorry for sidetracking the thread)

Jonathan-H said:
Do you think it's possible my speakers are faulty? I only ask because they're about 50% as loud as my old G5 and aside from clarity they have zero bass. I'm wondering if I should replace within 14 days? (Sorry for sidetracking the thread)
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idk hard to tell. I mean the g5 had a really loud speaker on the bottom. But having dual speakers on the 10 was my favorite.

Jonathan-H said:
Hi
I've just moved to the HTC 10 from the LG G5, a few days actually, and I find myself missing the G5.
The speaker on the G5 is the biggest thing I miss, it really blows the H10 away. I will be using a BT speaker for gaming and chilling when i'm away from headphones though now I've got the H10. The wide angle lens is the other, and the G5 camera's in general. The manual mode on the 10 is awful and in my opinion useless, but Auto produces decent shots. I will be picking up one of the lenses with Macro, Wide and Fish eye lenses from ebay see if I can get around that. The G5 is slightly smoother and quicker and I miss the G5 keyboard lol.
Aside from that the HTC 10 is a great phone, it's almost as fast as the G5 although it gets a tad hot, music through headphones is insanely loud and great quality, GPS I haven't tried yet.
Oddly enough the GPS, wifi and 4G performance on the LG G5 was the best of any phone I've used, so I don't understand the GPS issues people used to get.
Given a chance, and now after rooting and installing Viper again, I think i'll get over my missing the G5 but for now, I think the G5 is a better phone. (I am contemplating buying another to use as my work phone)
As you're getting the 10 delivered, you will work all this out anyway and probably be more than happy with the 10.
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Well if possible I want to leave the delivery sealed and send the HTC 10 back if people think the G5 is a better phone. Like I said my only issue with the G5 is its poor GPS (constantly searching) so I can't navigate! Which I do quite a lot Lol. I also only get around 3-4hrs screen on time. I've seen people on the HTC 10 getting 7-8hrs SoT

undeadadd said:
Well if possible I want to leave the delivery sealed and send the HTC 10 back if people think the G5 is a better phone. Like I said my only issue with the G5 is its poor GPS (constantly searching) so I can't navigate! Which I do quite a lot Lol. I also only get around 3-4hrs screen on time. I've seen people on the HTC 10 getting 7-8hrs SoT
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unless you want the wide angle camera the HTC 10 is better in every way imo. LG also has bad quality control lately with the G4 bootlooping, the V10 bootlooping and some issues on the G5. DEF go the HTC 10 over G5. Also the HTC 10 is likely to be the first phone to upgrade to nougat that isnt a nexus device. Since you know there making the pixels

Can not say I ever had a G5 but did have the G2 and G4, both garbage, neither lasted a year without major issue.

Thanks I might keep the HTC 10 when it arrives tomorrow then. But anymore input from other people before then would be good too

I currently have both phones but I prefer the HTC 10. The Bui!d quality is better on the HTC, the G5 seems to scratch a lot easier. I have a couple little scratches on it even though I really take care of my phones. The HTC looks brand new. I like the dual speakers (sorta dual I guess) as they sound better when watching movies. The G5 definitely gets louder tho. The sound from the headphone jack is also better on the 10, but if you have the hifi DAC for the G5 they sound pretty much the same (awesome that is). The wide angle camera (really just the camera function in general) on the G5 is probably the one thing it has over the HTC.
Everything else between these to phones comes down to preference. The HTC is closer to stock Android, but LG's layering on top of the OS introduces some neat functionality. Speed, screen, processing, storage are all pretty similar. HTC does adoptive storage out if the gate though.
Rooting I believe us also better someone the HTC u less you have the LG H850.
My nod goes to the 10 if i had to choose one.

I'm keeping the HTC 10 and selling the LG g5. I really love the feel Of The HTC 10 and it's a really nice experience overall. 2nd day of use and I'm getting 5hrs SoT which is about an hour or slightly more than my G5. I will probably miss the G5 camera but I'm sure I'll get over it eventually lol.
Thanks guys.

I came from the LG G5 to the HTC 10, completely worth it imo.
I miss the G5's camera and fingerprint placement, but nothing else really.

undeadadd said:
I'm keeping the HTC 10 and selling the LG g5. I really love the feel Of The HTC 10 and it's a really nice experience overall. 2nd day of use and I'm getting 5hrs SoT which is about an hour or slightly more than my G5. I will probably miss the G5 camera but I'm sure I'll get over it eventually lol.
Thanks guys.
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After installing a custom ROM to remove some of the annoying issues, and V4a to improve the sound quality and speaker bass and volume, and taking some brilliant shots and video footage of a gig last night, I have changed my mind, Rooted and properly modded, the 10 is better than the G5 lol.
Stock, the G5 still has it for me and is a better out of the box experience than the 10. But Rooted and modded the 10 comes out of it's shell and really shines.

undeadadd said:
I'm keeping the HTC 10 and selling the LG g5. I really love the feel Of The HTC 10 and it's a really nice experience overall. 2nd day of use and I'm getting 5hrs SoT which is about an hour or slightly more than my G5. I will probably miss the G5 camera but I'm sure I'll get over it eventually lol.
Thanks guys.
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TLR go for G5 for swappable batteries.
I'm writing this on a HTC m8. I've had a great ride with this phone but really been bummed out with the non removable battery. 18 months into ownership the m8 battery started behaving weird. It drained a lot faster. Now 2+ years later it is very frustrating battey wise, when the phone gets to 30-20% it shuts down without warning. Obviously my non removable battery has reached "end of life".
I know phones with non removable batteries can be replaced but HTC one series phones have a notorious record of being one of the hardest phones to replace battery wise...not only that some have reported that other components sometimes get damaged in the attempt to replace the battery.
Don't get me wrong I love HTC, the build quality is great and I've never really had a problem with lag or any thing like that. But I wish HTC would release a phone with a removable battery then it would be perfect... Unlike others I'm not obsessed with how thin a phone should look.
I know this is about the HTC 10 vs G5 (and not HTC m8) but i would say you need to factor in how long you will have the phone for....if you're like me and like to keep a phone for 18+ months then maybe G5 is the way to go.
I'm actually waiting for the LG V20 to be released as I'll never go back to the frustration of non removable batteries no matter how good the phone is.
I'm pretty sure that in another year this HTC 10 forum will be awash with battery issue posts just like the HTC One M8 is now.
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HTC 10 all the way. Only other phone was the M8 I really enjoyed over every phone I ever had which was damn near every manufacturer lol
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mwake4goten said:
TLR go for G5 for swappable batteries.
I'm writing this on a HTC m8. I've had a great ride with this phone but really been bummed out with the non removable battery. 18 months into ownership the m8 battery started behaving weird. It drained a lot faster. Now 2+ years later it is very frustrating battey wise, when the phone gets to 30-20% it shuts down without warning. Obviously my non removable battery has reached "end of life".
I know phones with non removable batteries can be replaced but HTC one series phones have a notorious record of being one of the hardest phones to replace battery wise...not only that some have reported that other components sometimes get damaged in the attempt to replace the battery.
Don't get me wrong I love HTC, the build quality is great and I've never really had a problem with lag or any thing like that. But I wish HTC would release a phone with a removable battery then it would be perfect... Unlike others I'm not obsessed with how thin a phone should look.
I know this is about the HTC 10 vs G5 (and not HTC m8) but i would say you need to factor in how long you will have the phone for....if you're like me and like to keep a phone for 18+ months then maybe G5 is the way to go.
I'm actually waiting for the LG V20 to be released as I'll never go back to the frustration of non removable batteries no matter how good the phone is.
I'm pretty sure that in another year this HTC 10 forum will be awash with battery issue posts just like the HTC One M8 is now.
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I'll echo your concerns. I tried to change my M8's battery myself. Ruined something and had to send it in for repairs. It was fixed quite cheaply and got a fresh battery installed by a professional.
Though a removable battery feels like a good option to have, let's face it, you'll only need it about once or twice in the phone's lifetime, and for those times, you can pay a little and get a professional to do it.
Of course, if you like to have spare batteries and switch them out on demand, then that's a different story.

Am I missing something?

So I chose the pixel xl as my Note 7 replacement and although it's not a bad phone, honestly it's not nearly as good as the s7 edge or even the note 5 ( I haven't owned only Samsung phones those are just my last two).
I thought Google assistant (the main reason I chose this phone) was supposed to be a big deal but is there really any major difference than using "OK Google" on any other android phone? Also, no wireless charging or microsd slot? Seriously, what makes this phone worth the sticker price?
I know this sounds like just a rant but after reading all of the positive reviews about this phone, I feel really let down after actually using it and I honestly feel like I'm missing something major here. Anyone else?

JarkMackson said:
So I chose the pixel xl as my Note 7 replacement and although it's not a bad phone, honestly it's not nearly as good as the s7 edge or even the note 5 ( I haven't owned only Samsung phones those are just my last two).
I thought Google assistant (the main reason I chose this phone) was supposed to be a big deal but is there really any major difference than using "OK Google" on any other android phone? Also, no wireless charging or microsd slot? Seriously, what makes this phone worth the sticker price?
I know this sounds like just a rant but after reading all of the positive reviews about this phone, I feel really let down after actually using it and I honestly feel like I'm missing something major here. Anyone else?
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I think your perspective is right on. If your coming from a 3 year old phone, this phone is mind blowing. If your coming from a premium Samsung or iPhone, its meh at best. I upgrade every year and to me its just a small iteration. My Nexus 6 is still my favorite phone. The Pixel is a $500 phone.

My thoughts exactly. No micro SD slot (just to get user to store everything on googles cloud) no wireless chrging(though I give them credit for the 15 minute plug in giving 7 hours of use. The phone is efficient. I've gotten almost 5 hours of screen time with heavy use. The call quality seems to be better than Samsung. HD calls on verizon sound really good on my end and others have stated this is the clearest I've sounded to them in a while(maybe the design using glass at the top of the back for better antenna reception really does matter). I like googles launcher. But this phone starves for faetures like "Hidden folder" on the note 7, good lock thru galaxy apps, notification light blinks so slow i can unlock the phone before the light flashes. No always on screen. From the front the phone feels like i'm holding a galaxy S4. The chin is huge for no reason. 5.5 in screen is no longer "XL". Should make a 6 inch screen for the XL. CAmera is great. No numbered notifications(a little number in a bubble showing how many new texts or calls) no batter percentage option. Finger print sensor on the back is easier to use and it's fast. I guess all the fuss is about google assistant. To me it's not qite a flagship but lets remember. Google(like all other phone companies) need to you to give this 1 up when the next one drops. So guarantee the next one has wireless charging and or a SD slot. Just my opinion.

Golf c said:
I think your perspective is right on. If your coming from a 3 year old phone, this phone is mind blowing. If your coming from a premium Samsung or iPhone, its meh at best. I upgrade every year and to me its just a small iteration. My Nexus 6 is still my favorite phone. The Pixel is a $500 phone.
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Thank you! I really don't think it's a bad phone but the price and the hype is just crazy! It seriously feels cheap to me. I know it's all metal but because of the different textures on the back it feels like plastic unless it's cold. It's not even water resistant and the top and bottom bezels are way too big to look like a phone that costs this much.
If Samsung or apple came out with this phone they'd be in serious trouble but Google does it and it's some kind of revolution? The assistant isn't going to be even close to useful until it's available in the Play store for everyone. It's just missing so much that phones released 6 months ago costing $100-$200 less already have.
I was really excited for this phone after the note 7 thing and I'm just really disappointed. I'm keeping my note 7, fire hazard or not.

Google's phones will never, ever, ever include an SD card slot, ever again. This will always be a choice you have to make with Google, because they religiously believe in the cloud. I just tell people to get a Moto if they want a Nexus-like with SD card support. However, the unlimited photos and videos at full quality for free offered with the Pixel is amazing.
As for wireless charging, now that I have quick chargers everywhere I stopped using wireless charging with my Nexus 6 months ago. It's just sooooo sssllllooowwwwww. And the Pixel charges quite quickly, even on non-QC chargers. For instance, it seems to be sinking quite a bit of current from my powered hub, which just supplies 5V but can source about 3A per port. It can basically max out any charger that's not that stupid OnePlus proprietary one. Not a big deal.
I even like the bezels, because they give you a place to put your hands when holding it in landscape.
I find the suggestion that they should have released another 6" behemoth interesting, because I remember when the N6 was launched there was a lot of grousing that there were no small flagships left. The common refrain was 2 models, one 5.5" and one 5". As someone who loved the Nexus 6 in basically every respect, it's just a tiny bit too big. I am a 6' tall person with normal hands for that height, and I can't reach nearly the whole screen with one hand. It's not a one handed device, at all. The Pixel, on the other hand, seems to be a perfect size, in addition to being better in every respect compared to the at-the-time brilliant Nexus 6.
Also, you can totally get battery percentage with System UI Tuner. Just hold down the settings icon in the notification shade.

well, if you like the look and style of an IPhone, the Pixel XL is a good choice for you; yeah, no stereo speakers is a drag, but I like the Assistant, and it is the fastest phone I have ever used.
the hype is excessive, but thats what we get with everything now a days..

wase4711 said:
well, if you like the look and style of an IPhone, the Pixel XL is a good choice for you; yeah, no stereo speakers is a drag, but I like the Assistant, and it is the fastest phone I have ever used.
the hype is excessive, but thats what we get with everything now a days..
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Do you mind if I ask what you like so much about assistant? I really feel like I'm missing something but I can't find anything that makes it better than Google now.

eighty1 said:
I've held down settings in the notification shade but nothing happens. I'm trying to get battery percentage but it does nothing.
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Does your settings gear now have a dim wrench next to it? If so open settings and scroll down to the bottom. You should see "System UI Tuner". Or, you know, you can google it yourself since I gave you all of the relevant information.

dtreth said:
Google's phones will never, ever, ever include an SD card slot, ever again. This will always be a choice you have to make with Google, because they religiously believe in the cloud. I just tell people to get a Moto if they want a Nexus-like with SD card support. However, the unlimited photos and videos at full quality for free offered with the Pixel is amazing.
As for wireless charging, now that I have quick chargers everywhere I stopped using wireless charging with my Nexus 6 months ago. It's just sooooo sssllllooowwwwww. And the Pixel charges quite quickly, even on non-QC chargers. For instance, it seems to be sinking quite a bit of current from my powered hub, which just supplies 5V but can source about 3A per port. It can basically max out any charger that's not that stupid OnePlus proprietary one. Not a big deal.
I even like the bezels, because they give you a place to put your hands when holding it in landscape.
I find the suggestion that they should have released another 6" behemoth interesting, because I remember when the N6 was launched there was a lot of grousing that there were no small flagships left. The common refrain was 2 models, one 5.5" and one 5". As someone who loved the Nexus 6 in basically every respect, it's just a tiny bit too big. I am a 6' tall person with normal hands for that height, and I can't reach nearly the whole screen with one hand. It's not a one handed device, at all. The Pixel, on the other hand, seems to be a perfect size, in addition to being better in every respect compared to the at-the-time brilliant Nexus 6.
Also, you can totally get battery percentage with System UI Tuner. Just hold down the settings icon in the notification shade.
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Now see here. This is a perfect example. It's all a matter of taste and perspective. The previous google phone users seem to love the Pixel/XL . I come from a long line of Sammy Note phones. Honestly I thought the Note edge was a great phone but with a case on it ..it was a bit to wide for me. actually to me the S6 edge plus was the perfect phone size wise and aesthetically. the 5.7 inch screen and the glass back were perfect. I also have the moto Z force just for the mods. When I think about it, with no bezels and a shortened chin the 5.7 inch screen of the S6 edge+ was basically perfect for me. As far as "wireless" charging I did have to have "fast wireless charging". It's not as fast as a cord with rapid charge but sometimes you just want to sit the phone down and get a quick boost. Not that I'm back to plugging in I do miss fast wireless. Again the assistant is cool, the camera is really decent. anyway.. to each his own. On edit.. thanks for the SUI heads up.. I like it. However,, that mini number in the battery is virtually unreadable.

JarkMackson said:
Thank you! I really don't think it's a bad phone but the price and the hype is just crazy! It seriously feels cheap to me. I know it's all metal but because of the different textures on the back it feels like plastic unless it's cold. It's not even water resistant and the top and bottom bezels are way too big to look like a phone that costs this much.
If Samsung or apple came out with this phone they'd be in serious trouble but Google does it and it's some kind of revolution? The assistant isn't going to be even close to useful until it's available in the Play store for everyone. It's just missing so much that phones released 6 months ago costing $100-$200 less already have.
I was really excited for this phone after the note 7 thing and I'm just really disappointed. I'm keeping my note 7, fire hazard or not.
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The one thing I noticed straigh away was the crazy fast response everything on the pixel has compared to the note 7, there would be so many times that the Note 7 would visibly stutter even just a second here and there. Things like opening up and typing on the keybaord instantly would create this minute lag in the interface. I am very picky when it comes to that so I noticed straight away the Pixel is just fast, it doesn't stutter or lag like the note 7 did. Also small things like the speaker is FAR better than the Note 7, it's louder and fully than the 6p even. I hate edge screens too, I couldn't stand the note 7 in that regard, felt uncomfortable to hold compared to the pixel. I'm just so happy that I got a phone that just works ALL THE TIME. That's why I paid the extra $100 over the note 7 for the pixel. And I'm also betting on Google assistant (AI) becoming FAR more integrated and more powerful. All other phones will be missing out I think. Hardware can only go so far, software on the other hand....

Man who needs an SD card now?? I can finally video tape everything in 4k and not worry about memory or ever loosing the footage because it'll always be on the cloud! I legit video tape everything I can now!
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OnlinePredator said:
The one thing I noticed straigh away was the crazy fast response everything on the pixel has compared to the note 7, there would be so many times that the Note 7 would visibly stutter even just a second here and there. Things like opening up and typing on the keybaord instantly would create this minute lag in the interface. I am very picky when it comes to that so I noticed straight away the Pixel is just fast, it doesn't stutter or lag like the note 7 did. Also small things like the speaker is FAR better than the Note 7, it's louder and fully than the 6p even. I hate edge screens too, I couldn't stand the note 7 in that regard, felt uncomfortable to hold compared to the pixel. I'm just so happy that I got a phone that just works ALL THE TIME. That's why I paid the extra $100 over the note 7 for the pixel. And I'm also betting on Google assistant (AI) becoming FAR more integrated and more powerful. All other phones will be missing out I think. Hardware can only go so far, software on the other hand....
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I agree on the speed, the note did stutter on me from time to time any this phone doesn't at all really (although I have had a few force closes, possibly the apps fault). The assistant has promise but let's be honest, it's no better than Google now at the moment and by the time it is better, it'll be available on every android phone.
The phone itself to me is just last year's Cadillac with this year's Mercedes price tag.

evobyte said:
Man who needs an SD card now?? I can finally video tape everything in 4k and not worry about memory or ever loosing the footage because it'll always be on the cloud! I legit video tape everything I can now!
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A lot of people do. Really why drain your battery to access files on line rather than an sd card using less battery power and files on your sd card are a lot safer than the hackable cloud. And there is the extra data you use to access files on line. Sd cards use absolutely no data to access your files and do not eat up battery power so.
1. Sd card files safer than cloud.
2. Sd card uses no data to access your files, so does not eat up your data plan = saves you $$$$
3. Sd card files use less battery power than accessing files on the cloud.

I get that, I'm blessed with unlimited with Verizon but I always only upload to cloud while charging. If anyone is interested in true unlimited data with Verizon, I have an extra line available. I'll only charge 80 a month
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Get over it. SD cards are going away.

That's the great thing about Android! Choice. Different strokes for different folks. There will be a phone out there that suits you. Find it and embrace it! ?
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JarkMackson said:
I agree on the speed, the note did stutter on me from time to time any this phone doesn't at all really (although I have had a few force closes, possibly the apps fault). The assistant has promise but let's be honest, it's no better than Google now at the moment and by the time it is better, it'll be available on every android phone.
The phone itself to me is just last year's Cadillac with this year's Mercedes price tag.
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Well hard to say, as it has cpu that is newer than last years phone, also has better cameras than phones from last year, and software you can't compare to those phones either. And when compares to phones this year, it's kinda the same. I agree it is overpriced, but they are doing it because they can. If you want the best android experience available, there is only one phone. If you don't want to pay that much then there are great alternatives.

Waterproof - Owned S7 and Note, never seemed to EVER need it unless I was showing someone
Wireless charging - have a stand and still use the cable 90% of the time since it's faster
SD Card - I could see this one as a big point, but most people I know never fill up their phones and the ones who do could easily clear up half of it and improve performance by deleting unused apps and cleaning up the gallery, plus with 120 gigs + unlimited cloud I'm goooood
Gimmicks have made people wanting stuff they use maybe once every 4 months. "I can't have it therefore I need it"
IMO Software performance / day to day use > everything else .
Note 7 is a beast phone but I could honestly say at least once a day I get caught in huge lag spikes when trying open snapchat for a quick photo or even the camera app.
Sacrificing gimmicks for day to day use is worth it 100%

meccadon123 said:
Now see here. This is a perfect example. It's all a matter of taste and perspective. The previous google phone users seem to love the Pixel/XL . I come from a long line of Sammy Note phones. Honestly I thought the Note edge was a great phone but with a case on it ..it was a bit to wide for me. actually to me the S6 edge plus was the perfect phone size wise and aesthetically. the 5.7 inch screen and the glass back were perfect. I also have the moto Z force just for the mods. When I think about it, with no bezels and a shortened chin the 5.7 inch screen of the S6 edge+ was basically perfect for me. As far as "wireless" charging I did have to have "fast wireless charging". It's not as fast as a cord with rapid charge but sometimes you just want to sit the phone down and get a quick boost. Not that I'm back to plugging in I do miss fast wireless. Again the assistant is cool, the camera is really decent. anyway.. to each his own. On edit.. thanks for the SUI heads up.. I like it. However,, that mini number in the battery is virtually unreadable.
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I gave you what you want, sorry. Make the whole display bigger, maybe that will work. Or just open the shade if you need a specific percentage.

Differences in the Pixel 2 vs Nexus 6P

I noticed two major differences (so far) between my old Nexus 6P and the new Pixel 2 XL (my first Pixel, so I do not know if the Pixel 2 is different from the original Pixel):
- the recovery menu does not have a menu item to clear the cache partition;
- there is no option to require a PIN or pattern before the operating system boots.

I'd like to know also.
Which one has better loudspeakers?
Which one is easier to read under direct sunlight?
Which one has deeper/stronger vibration sensation?
Feels better than the other?
etc.
etc.
etc.
It's really hard to justify $900+ for a Pixel 2 XL just to get water resistance and slightly faster hardware.

CZ Eddie said:
I'd like to know also.
Which one has better loudspeakers?
Which one is easier to read under direct sunlight?
Which one has deeper/stronger vibration sensation?
Feels better than the other?
etc.
etc.
etc.
It's really hard to justify $900+ for a Pixel 2 XL just to get water resistance and slightly faster hardware.
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stevemw said:
I noticed two major differences (so far) between my old Nexus 6P and the new Pixel 2 XL (my first Pixel, so I do not know if the Pixel 2 is different from the original Pixel):
- the recovery menu does not have a menu item to clear the cache partition;
- there is no option to require a PIN or pattern before the operating system boots.
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There is no longer a cache partition on newer versions of android, I believe this goes for all phones running Oreo and up. As for the pin before the OS boots up, I never used or knew about that with my 6P, unless you're talking about having to enter a pin at the lockscreen after boot. I would have to say the 6Ps speakers were a little bit better in my opinion. The Pixel XL 2 is definitely better in direct sunlight. As for the vibration, I feel like both are a little weak but the 6Ps vibration was terrible until it was increased using a kernel tuner, the XL 2 on the other hand is already at 100%, I'd have to give vibration strength to the XL2. The XL2 feels much lighter in my hand compared to 6P. The 6P is also plagued with the dreaded early shutdown issue due to badly manufactured battery, mine used to shut down as high as 50%

2 main points to me are.....the Nexus 6P was a throttling POS with terrible battery life, the Pixel 2 XL is not. Everything else is whatevs.
The end.

I had 6P and it was shutting off randomly. Pixel 2XL was the obvious choice for a replacement. After using it for about 3 weeks, I must say that the battery life is superb, especially compared to the 6P. I would have to use this phone HEAVILY throughout the day for me to drain it out. And the camera is fantastic as well.

The 6P was my first ever Android phone and maybe it was just being new to the Android world in general but I absolutely loved that phone. It did start shutting down around 30% and had some heating/throttling issues, but other than that I loved that thing! Speakers were insanely loud, PureNexus on that was super smooth and stable, and I loved the design of it overall.
Going to the XL right after wasn't too bad except for the partitions causing slower development. Seeing all the stuff available for the 6P, it was kind of a let down not having as much stuff to modify and tweak.
Went to the OnePlus 5/5T and they were good but the camera on the 2XL got me to switch.
Now that devs are more familiar with the A/B layout, development isn't so lacking and it's not too bad on the user's end either. I'm really satsified with this phone, no screen issues like many are having and the blue tint is very slight, so it's a non-issue for me.
All-in-all, I probably could have went from the 6P to the 2XL, skipping the OG XL, but it is what it is. I guess this way I was able to get familiar with the slot layouts myself with the XL, so dealing with the 2XL didn't feel like such an obstacle to overcome.

Triscuit said:
There is no longer a cache partition on newer versions of android, I believe this goes for all phones running Oreo and up. As for the pin before the OS boots up, I never used or knew about that with my 6P, unless you're talking about having to enter a pin at the lockscreen after boot. I would have to say the 6Ps speakers were a little bit better in my opinion. The Pixel XL 2 is definitely better in direct sunlight. As for the vibration, I feel like both are a little weak but the 6Ps vibration was terrible until it was increased using a kernel tuner, the XL 2 on the other hand is already at 100%, I'd have to give vibration strength to the XL2. The XL2 feels much lighter in my hand compared to 6P. The 6P is also plagued with the dreaded early shutdown issue due to badly manufactured battery, mine used to shut down as high as 50%
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I've used iPhone all my life and this Nexus 6P is my first android phone. Got it after I saw the neighbour kid using it.
Damn the speakers are super loud.
The pure Google OS is superbly fine.
Everything is great. I don't have have any battery issue + the fast charging is an awesome thing for someone like me.
BUT, THE VIBRATION SUCKS.
I'm a Motorcyclist. And I loved iPhone for it. The vibration is so deep that you cannot miss a call.
Nexus 6P is fine when I'm driving but any other time when I'm on motorcycle, or home or anywhere the vibration does not even feel in pocket.
How did you managed to increase it?
Any pointers? That'd be very helpful.
I was thinking of getting a smartband to get notified for calls. [emoji849]
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xplodee said:
I've used iPhone all my life and this Nexus 6P is my first android phone. Got it after I saw the neighbour kid using it.
Damn the speakers are super loud.
The pure Google OS is superbly fine.
Everything is great. I don't have have any battery issue + the fast charging is an awesome thing for someone like me.
BUT, THE VIBRATION SUCKS.
I'm a Motorcyclist. And I loved iPhone for it. The vibration is so deep that you cannot miss a call.
Nexus 6P is fine when I'm driving but any other time when I'm on motorcycle, or home or anywhere the vibration does not even feel in pocket.
How did you managed to increase it?
Any pointers? That'd be very helpful.
I was thinking of getting a smartband to get notified for calls. [emoji849]
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Root it, install a custom kernel like Ex, Flash, or Kylo use the EXKM app, and increase the vibration settings. Done

My take on the 6P vs 2 XL?
I love my 6P running Pure Nexus, Flash kernel, and su, finely tuned. It's fast, reliable, lots of custom options, and I get good batt life for my use (4.5 - 5.5 hrs sot).
My 2 XL is rooted, running Flash kernel, and gets good batt life for my use (4.5 hr sot +/- 30 mins) with no cust rom, and few custom options.
I enjoy the 2 XL way more, it is noticeably faster, and I've nearly forgotten my 6P which is a great device that doesn't need upgraded even running a 6 month old Cust Rom.
Could you live with the 6P and save $800? Sure.
But man could've just stayed on the earth looking up at the moon too... I'm really glad we went there!

Badger50 said:
Root it, install a custom kernel like Ex, Flash, or Kylo use the EXKM app, and increase the vibration settings. Done
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Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
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xplodee said:
Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
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Follow this guide, and you'll be all set :good:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928

Nexus 6P was absolutely horrendous with outdoor viewing. Even with brightness all the way up it was abysmal to read in sunlight.. Pixel 2 XL blows it away.
Nexus 6P as mentioned before was a throttling heat generator
Nexus 6P battery was garbage
Nexus 6P loud speaker was terrible
The oleophobic coating wore off quickly and the phone became a smudge magnet.
Nexus 6P on T-Mobile was annoying with modem randomly deciding it doesn't want to connect to the mobile network anymore due to band 12 ****ery and requiring a reboot to connect to the mobile network again.
Nexus 6P didn't age gracefully that's for sure.

What I'd really like to know is if the 6P with the "high brightness mod" found in kernels (thanks to Flar2) is brighter than the Pixel 2 XL stock max brightness, which will not be getting that mod anytime soon (if ever).
The high brightness mod on my 6P really, really cranks up the brightness and works super well when set to automatic.

CZ Eddie said:
What I'd really like to know is if the 6P with the "high brightness mod" found in kernels (thanks to Flar2) is brighter than the Pixel 2 XL stock max brightness, which will not be getting that mod anytime soon (if ever).
The high brightness mod on my 6P really, really cranks up the brightness and works super well when set to automatic.
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Yep, my 6p with HBM on, is slightly brighten than my P2XL at full brightness. But it's not a drastic difference in my opinion.

Truly and deeply, batter camera, battery life, and battery longevity. The 2XL being a 10nm device puts the power and efficiency double that than the 6p on paper. Real world.... It's better and longer.
All of the other yada yada's:
- Better built
- Water resistant
- Better Dac
- Photo/Video storage
- smaller bezels
Yeah, can't think of anything else that matters you can't do without root.
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Except for diminished battery life I had no real problem with my 6P, but it was good to replace it with the Pixel 2 XL. Booting up the 6P compared to the speed of the 2XL makes me smile on the occasions I do shut down.

styckx said:
Nexus 6P was absolutely horrendous with outdoor viewing. Even with brightness all the way up it was abysmal to read in sunlight.. Pixel 2 XL blows it away.
Nexus 6P as mentioned before was a throttling heat generator
Nexus 6P battery was garbage
Nexus 6P loud speaker was terrible
The oleophobic coating wore off quickly and the phone became a smudge magnet.
Nexus 6P on T-Mobile was annoying with modem randomly deciding it doesn't want to connect to the mobile network anymore due to band 12 ****ery and requiring a reboot to connect to the mobile network again.
Nexus 6P didn't age gracefully that's for sure.
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Yeah, mine developed battery issues very quickly before it was replaced.
I never had any problems with the 6P band 12 on T-Mobile. I was hoping to see greater throughput on the 2XL but it's generally about the same. There are times when the 2XL outshines the 6P, but I can't say it's consistent.

xplodee said:
Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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It's pretty easy, I'm not super good with this stuff, but the instructions are good to follow. There's a Guide and a Index thread by heisenberg that has everything you will need. The 6P is a fun phone to mod. You should do it

xplodee said:
Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
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Just a warning, if you decide to increase the vibration strength, try not to put it past 75-80% you could damage the vibration motor if you go higher.

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