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[Q] UK, rooted unbranded DHD on 2.2 - will gingerbread change this?

Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving? And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
Thanks

Tamen said:
Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving?
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Already have 3 too many threads about that and don't wish to start another.
Tamen said:
And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
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You'll lose root. If you phone is still in a state that it can receive updates.
if you've rooted why not just flash a GB ROM? There are customised ones and even one that is just rooted.
Tamen said:
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
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Seems people are saying that nothing was lost but back it all up anyway (yes, lots of apps to back up info, all already mentioned).

Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?

Tamen said:
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
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You should be ok. The actual state you can put a phone to and still receive the update is something I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. Certainly need a stock ROM.
Previous phones needed the stock recovery but I don't think that's the case here.
Tamen said:
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
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The time when you are most at risk of bricking your phone is rooting and flashing a radio.
Flashing a ROM is 99% risk free. You've done the risky bit.

Cheers - though I haven't flashed a radio I don't think (unless radio s-off is flashing a radio). It says in the how to install a rom guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964996)
- Select "Install Zip from sdcard"
- Select "Choose zip from sdcard"
- Select full-wipe-1-3.zip (It's right under those folders)
- Confirm by selecting the Yes option in between those "NO"s
- Wait for it to finish
- DO NOT REBOOT!!! In case you were not aware, you now have no rom installed
If I somehow messed up or knocked the power button and rebooted, what happens? How do I then fix it? Is that a permanent brick?

Not a fan of that wipe.zip. You could do the less risky method first and use wipe from the recovery menu.
If you rebooted you MAY (unlikely) have a brick but more likely you'll just end up back at bootloader.
If something happens while the phone is installing the ROM then you might have a problem.
If the phone is bricked assume you will have to send it to HTC for repair (along with your best innocent "it was like that in the morning, honest" look.
You'll be fine. I'm sure. But know the risks.
Bottom line, don't knock it. It's quite hard to accidentally press the power button.

Haha claim innocence If they do look and say it's your fault, out of warrenty, how much do they charge? They don't have to replace anything, just presumably connect it to a htc computer and run some resets.
Does the phone stay connected throughout this process? What happens if it's not connected when run or becomes disconnected?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just really want to understand everything that happens. If able I'd much rather update to gingerbread then root with an updated visionary or equivalent, though how long that'll take to happen is anyone's guess :/

Unless the instructions say not to I'd leave it connected.
If the instructions say to remove something that means disconnecting the phone (such as swapping SD cards for example) and doesn't say re-insert the phone then don't (this is why you should always be 100% charged before you try these things).
If it is bricked, they will use there tool to get into the eMMC partition and re-install everything. It's unliekly (not happened yet) they will magically restore the phone and go "hold on, you did this".
Don't worry. Ask away (feel free to hit the thanks button IF I say anything useful).
Just to back track, it looks like your wanting to flash a ROM now. Is this a stock ROm or one of the beautiful customised ROM's like LeeDroid?

In a sec I'll thank every post on this thread, you've been really helpful (and patient!)
I heard about gingerbread updating and wondered if root would be lost with the update or if the update would even work at all. You suggested I get a gingerbread rom already rooted, and I said "aarrgh, I'm scared" The rest of the posts are you explaining things to me, though if possible I'd like to stick with official roms for the moment and then root it - will visionary work on 2.3?

No. You will need to use Gingerbreak which will involve downgrading the ROM first.
But to answer the question between the lines, if you update and lose root, all is not lost, it can be reclaimed.

[noob]But the Rom comes from OTA, so how can it be downgraded?[/noob]
But thanks, if root can be re-attained after the update, I'll wait till after the update before doing anything too fast

What you will have to do is take an old RUU, say version 1.32 and install that.
That then allows you to gain access to the required areas of the phone to give you root and anything else you wish (Engineering HBOOT (ENG S-OFF), Radio S-OFF etc.).
When you get to that stage and decide to root etc. you will kick yourself so hard for not doing it earlier

Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?

Tamen said:
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
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It (The OTA GB ROM) will remove root if you already have it yes. I believe Radio S-OFF is safe. AS for ENG S-OFF (HBOOT) I'm afraid my memory is failing me but with root and Radio S-OFF it would be easy enough to redo ENG S-OFF.
Rooting etc. will only get harder with each update. Version 1.32 is the easiest of all to root and in fact most root / Radio S-OFF etc. threads start by saying "downgrade to 1.32"
[EDIT] Just re-read your post...
Yes, if you make plans now before the OTA update (still not convinced you will get it though) it will be easier in the future but the main one to worry about is Radio S-OFF. This is the easier of the two and IIRC the only one required should you get the OTA update and gain root (via GingerBreak) without having to downgrade first.

I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish

Tamen said:
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
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Puts a huge grin on my face when someone just goes and does this....
But I really really really feel you can't stop now.
Ignoring that I don't think you will get the OTA update you have to now install a GB ROM. After what you have done, flashing a ROM is (relatively speaking) as safe as houses.
Go on!! Android Revolution HD (ARHD) is basically pure stock GB visually with a few goodies thrown in.
Top the day off and flash that ROM.
Do it!!!

Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom. I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe? Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms

Tamen said:
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
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Nope, just as reversible.
Tamen said:
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom.
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Put ROM on sdcard.
Boot to recovery.
wipe data and cache
install ROM
reboot
Get a brew and marvel and the wonderfulness of it all.
With ROM Manager it can be simpler still.
Tamen said:
I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
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When you start thinking about it install ROM Manager just to get ready.
Tamen said:
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
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Schedule those hours in now. You WILL be flashing ROMs
Tamen said:
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
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Hee hee. I like Cyanogen (a non-sense ROM) - Will come back to that.
My favourite sense ROMs are LeeDroid by a long way, the guy is a star and the ROM is perfection; after that, Android Revolution HD which will probably be your choice as it's closer to stock than Lee's. Based on what you've said I go with ARHD but if you really want to play, have fun (overclocking etc.) and want your phone to make R2D2 noises when it boots then LeeDroid every time.
And you're right, the Sense UI (which only gets better) does set HTC apart but even without it, I'd only buy a HTC phone now (when I'm buying an Android phone).
Why not [email protected]
Two part answer. The first part is I'm a huge open source and Linux fan. Use Ubuntu on PC and Kubuntu on laptop and my first Android phone was THE first Android phone, the Google (T-Mobile) G1. As such I love Android so I want my phone to be just about Android with a few little extras and NO ONE does that better than Cyanogen. NO ONE.
I still have my G1 and I still love it. That's a vanilla Android phone.
Second part is about bloat. Yes, I do really really like Sense UI. As far as manufacturers bloat-ware goes NOTHING beats Sense UI. It's visually stunning and things like htcsense.com, the clock / weather widget that actually shows weather and that cool windscreen wiper thing and the whole seamless integration twix phone and social is beyond words.
But at the end of the day what is it? It's pretty. I don't use facebook. For twitter I prefer Twidroyd and Tweetdeck. I don't need a massive clock on my screen. I don't want apps and widget I'm not going to use. Before I could root my Hero and DHD I installed ADW.Launcher.
I'll tell you what it's about: Choice. I don't want three buttons along the bottom I want five. And because I have a Google Apps account, HTC Picasa add-on doesn't work (they looking into it) and that pisses me off.
I'm prattling on now.
I have LeeDroid and ARHD on my sdcard as NAND backups and every now and then I restore one (I think of it as almost "dual boot") and for the next 24 hours I'm back coo-ing over it all but then 24 hours later it just doesn't feel right so back to CM I go.
It's personal choice but I will say one thing (more), try CM7. If you don't like it fine but just try it. You'll miss the widgets at first but see how you feel about it.
I'll shut up now.

That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem? Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
Also, I edited the above post but was doing so after you'd posted this, so I'll put it here too:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms

Tamen said:
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
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I made great use of that too, so simple, plress a button on the website and instant ring. An app called Where's my droid can do that but you need another phone to be able to send it a text.
Tamen said:
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem?
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There used to be but I've never had a problem. But I like doing everything from recovery and that's works fine (from 3.0.2.6).
Tamen said:
Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
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It's that some ROM's have been tested using certain Radios and some devs are only willing to recommend Radios that have been tested.
A radio is the software that is responsible for wifi, network signal including data, bluetooth and GPS. It's just another something that is constantly being improved. Most radios will work with most roms but one radio might work great for person a and be rubbish for person b. This is because some networks and phone hardware (they do differ) don't respond as well as others to a certain radio. The radio is something you will will push (via fastboot commands) a lot (which is why you have Radio S-OFF) as you need to experiment.
Tamen said:
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
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Depends on ROM but on average about 5 minutes. It's not really any quicker than using recovery directly (ROM Manager is just a GUI for recovery) once you have done it a few times, it's just simpler.
Tamen said:
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe?
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ALWAYS. And every time.
The only exception is if you're upgrading the same ROM but even then, depending on the upgrade you may still have to wipe. Most issues after flashing a ROM are due to not wiping at least the cache.
Tamen said:
Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
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Yes. Contacts are sync'd to Gmail so no worries there. Mybackup will backup SMS and MMS too.
Apps are a different matter. There is an option to Backup apps and app data to google servers which works 95% of the time. Titanium can do this too but in my experience is even more flakey. I still keep a list of all my apps just in case.
Tamen said:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family [snip]
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That battry door is ****, no two ways about it. It does require a lot of force and you have to be brave with it. But as you say, hopefully you won't need to worry about it.

[Q] Quick summarize [yakju+bootloader+root]

Hey everybody,
I'm planning on getting my GN in the next two weeks and wanted to ask a simple question:
first of all - I will want my GN to be a yakju, I will want to root it and I will want to unlock the bootloader.
Now, I believe I have everything understood just wanted to be sure if you could help me..
these are the steps I will take:
1. Check if GN is yakju
1.1 If GN is yakju simply use the gnex toolkit to unlock bootloader and root.
FINISH.
2. If GN is not yakju -
2.1 Use step-by-step (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391881) to change rom to yakju 4.0.4.
2.3 Then use gnex toolkit to root (already unlocked bootloader in 2.1).
FINISH.
Am I good to go?
TNX!

Pretty much thats the way it should be,,, advance congrats for the next awesome purchase u r going to make,,,

deepayanneogi said:
Pretty much thats the way it should be,,, advance congrats for the next awesome purchase u r going to make,,,
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Thanks mate! can't wait already

More replies are welcome.. I just want to feel certain I'm on the right track here..

Be a big boy and don't use a tool kit =]
My guide makes it super simple...
Stickied above and linked in my sig.

Jubakuba said:
Be a big boy and don't use a tool kit =]
My guide makes it super simple...
Stickied above and linked in my sig.
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Hey tnx
I do consider myself an open minded guy and also I usually like to know the bits and insides stuff of things I do, I will usually prefer going the longer way (I.E - rooting\unlocking bootloader) then to just use the toolkit and pressing "next, next, next" because I prefer to know what every "next" does, BUT in this case, I think I managed to (obsessively) learn what everything does, so I decided to take the shorter trip to rooting+unlocking BL, do you think the toolkit has any disadvantages over the longer way?

omricn said:
Hey tnx
I do consider myself an open minded guy and also I usually like to know the bits and insides stuff of things I do, I will usually prefer going the longer way (I.E - rooting\unlocking bootloader) then to just use the toolkit and pressing "next, next, next" because I prefer to know what every "next" does, BUT in this case, I think I managed to (obsessively) learn what everything does, so I decided to take the shorter trip to rooting+unlocking BL, do you think the toolkit has any disadvantages over the longer way?
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If it works it works.
The thing I hate about 'em is...
If a user has a soft-bricked phone.
Comes on here...asks for help.
And I tell him to do some adb/fastboot procedure: he asks "lul wut?"
And we have to help him set that up...and assume he set it up correctly.
He then might complain "oh, ya. It won't recognize my device."
Which is possible in some soft-brick situations...but it also might be user error.
Thus making trouble-shooting/fixing 10x harder.
Just...do yourself a favor and make sure ADB/Fastboot work.
run "adb devices"
and "fastboot devices"
If both of those recognize your phone...I guess the toolkit is fine.
As you said, you know whats going on...so what's the harm?

That seems about right. Just be a little cautious when flashing a radio or bootloader, as any of those two when flashed wrong can **** your device up beyond self-repair.
An incorrectly flashed system or boot is "easily" fixable, though.

Theshawty said:
That seems about right. Just be a little cautious when flashing a radio or bootloader, as any of those two when flashed wrong can **** your device up beyond self-repair.
An incorrectly flashed system or boot is "easily" fixable, though.
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Tnx Actually I'm not going to flash custom roms\radios\BL's just yet (if ever), just going to flash the official 4.0.4 yakju from Google, including the radio that comes with that bundle
Jubakuba said:
If it works it works.
The thing I hate about 'em is...
If a user has a soft-bricked phone.
Comes on here...asks for help.
And I tell him to do some adb/fastboot procedure: he asks "lul wut?"
And we have to help him set that up...and assume he set it up correctly.
He then might complain "oh, ya. It won't recognize my device."
Which is possible in some soft-brick situations...but it also might be user error.
Thus making trouble-shooting/fixing 10x harder.
Just...do yourself a favor and make sure ADB/Fastboot work.
run "adb devices"
and "fastboot devices"
If both of those recognize your phone...I guess the toolkit is fine.
As you said, you know whats going on...so what's the harm?
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I catch your drift, and I know exactly what you mean.. I'm an IT guy, and apart from my job, I always learn everything there is to know about anything before I buy\change it in any way, to always be super safe and know what to do in every situation I can encounter.
Before I do something I will triple check what could and can happen so that I'm always 3 steps ahead. Thats the reason I already know almost everything there is to know about this phone, about rooting it, about unlocking it, ADB, fastboot etc. even before I bought it call me crazy..

Not crazy by my standards.
I actually did the same thing...
Even posted a thread "OMG LULZ SO I DO THIS, RIGHT?" as you have...
Because I was excited as hell and wanted to reassure myself.
You'll love 'er.
Best phone I've owned...by far.
While the OS (and a Nexus on Verizon...which we thought we'd NEVER see) is a HUGE part of it...
I was/am actually impressed with the hardware as well.
I could go on and on and on about my Droid X (Got it on release day...didn't fully understand the implications of a locked bootloader...and how it would hinder the experience over that of my Original Droid) and how much I hated having a locked bootloader.
That was MY main push. I was like...Oh. My. God. A Nexus?! That **** is MINE.
</rambling>
This phone STILL gives me the shivers.
Love it.

The 4.0.4 radio and bootloader will do for many more releases, I think. I don't think it's the radio's fault for the signal drops as a simple overclocking counters it.

Jubakuba said:
Not crazy by my standards.
I actually did the same thing...
Even posted a thread "OMG LULZ SO I DO THIS, RIGHT?" as you have...
Because I was excited as hell and wanted to reassure myself.
You'll love 'er.
Best phone I've owned...by far.
While the OS (and a Nexus on Verizon...which we thought we'd NEVER see) is a HUGE part of it...
I was/am actually impressed with the hardware as well.
I could go on and on and on about my Droid X (Got it on release day...didn't fully understand the implications of a locked bootloader...and how it would hinder the experience over that of my Original Droid) and how much I hated having a locked bootloader.
That was MY main push. I was like...Oh. My. God. A Nexus?! That **** is MINE.
</rambling>
This phone STILL gives me the shivers.
Love it.
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Best. Reply. Ever.

Scared of Rooting

Hi,
I had a Wildfire S a few months ago, which I had owned for about 4 months (The Wildfire S was terrible) so I decided to root it.
To say I was happy after I had rooted was an understatement, I flashed CM7 onto the device, which extremely improved the phone.
The problem was, as soon as I flashed it, i started developing problems (not rom caused) such as a constant noise when in calls etc.
Now, my question is I own a HOX, which is an absolute epic phone to say the least.
I really want to use Vipers ROM / PerfectAndroid etc, but am so worried about rooting the HOX.
Is it worth rooting the HOX? What can go wrong and what can I expect to happen if I develop issues? (LIKE LAST TIME )
Thanks in advanced.

Wilks3y said:
Hi,
I had a Wildfire S a few months ago, which I had owned for about 4 months (The Wildfire S was terrible) so I decided to root it.
To say I was happy after I had rooted was an understatement, I flashed CM7 onto the device, which extremely improved the phone.
The problem was, as soon as I flashed it, i started developing problems (not rom caused) such as a constant noise when in calls etc.
Now, my question is I own a HOX, which is an absolute epic phone to say the least.
I really want to use Vipers ROM / PerfectAndroid etc, but am so worried about rooting the HOX.
Is it worth rooting the HOX? What can go wrong and what can I expect to happen if I develop issues? (LIKE LAST TIME )
Thanks in advanced.
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All of the ROMS for the HOX are really good, if you're worried might I suggest ARHD as it's the closest ROM to stock there is, aside from Maximus ROM.
If you follow my guide (in my sig) then the rooting will be okay
It's really not that hard

The-Last-Hylian said:
All of the ROMS for the HOX are really good, if you're worried might I suggest ARHD as it's the closest ROM to stock there is, aside from Maximus ROM.
If you follow my guide (in my sig) then the rooting will be okay
It's really not that hard
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Thanks for your reply mate, I know rooting isnt a huge process in itself. Its just knowing that if (when?) something goes wrong with my phone, im totally screwed for the warranty.
Which may cause me not able to get replacement/fixed under warranty?

Wilks3y said:
Thanks for your reply mate, I know rooting isnt a huge process in itself. Its just knowing that if (when?) something goes wrong with my phone, im totally screwed for the warranty.
Which may cause me not able to get replacement/fixed under warranty?
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unlocking your boot loader will void you warranty, but if you have a fault less hox like i got then go for it
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Is it worth it? Always personal ofcourse. Do you want to make backups? Lots of customizations? Just root to delete some system-apps or to install an add-blocker? Get the bloody fast Jelly Bean?
In my opinion: GO FOR IT
I don't know how old your One X is, but perhaps it's wise to wait a couple of weeks to see you have any faults.

Wait one or two weeks to see if it has any faults.
If it's faultfree then go root it
I tested mine 12 days before unlocking the bootloader.
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It's not actually true that it'll void your warranty. Well not completely anyway, more often than not HTC will honor the warranty if it's a hardware issue, if it's software and it's messed up because you fscked up your HOX then it's on your own head... but it's incredibly hard to do so, it's pretty hard to completely brick a phone if you read and follow the guides and if you manage to brick it then you shouldn't even be holding it!
At least that's the general consensus nowadays...

Huubs said:
Is it worth it? Always personal ofcourse. Do you want to make backups? Lots of customizations? Just root to delete some system-apps or to install an add-blocker? Get the bloody fast Jelly Bean?
In my opinion: GO FOR IT
I don't know how old your One X is, but perhaps it's wise to wait a couple of weeks to see you have any faults.
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My HOX is about 2 months old now, and seen no issues what so ever. I want to be able to customise it to be honest, thats about it. It runs smooth and fast as it is, but I get bored of things so easy and the Sense UI etc is boring me to death now .
And thats another thing putting me off rooting mate, JellyBean is (Should be) just around the corner? So don't know whether to wait, or Root
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Wait one or two weeks to see if it has any faults.
If it's faultfree then go root it
I tested mine 12 days before unlocking the bootloader.
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I have had my phone longer than that, but still very very worried about rooting.
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It's not actually true that it'll void your warranty. Well not completely anyway, more often than not HTC will honor the warranty if it's a hardware issue, if it's software and it's messed up because you fscked up your HOX then it's on your own head... but it's incredibly hard to do so, it's pretty hard to completely brick a phone if you read and follow the guides and if you manage to brick it then you shouldn't even be holding it!
At least that's the general consensus nowadays...
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Ah I see, do you know of any cases where the hardware has gone wrong, and HTC have still honored the warranty even though they were rooted?
Was reading a thread of someone having a convo with HTC, and they adimantly stated that if the bootloader is unlocked you are not covered by warranty, and my understanding is that the bootloader HAS TO BE LOCKED to be rooted?
Thanks all !

It is worth doing it, yes.
I waited tree months staying on stock, but rooted, then i decided to install ARHD 2.3.2. Stock was already very good but a custom rom gives the HOX the rest to be the best phone on market. Battery life increases, the handling is even more fluid and laggless as before.
What can going wrong? Well, the most common failure is to forget flashing boot.img as a separate step, because this is unusual against the procedure done with desire or others.
Also restoring a nandroid backup also requires to flash boot of the backup separately. If you keep the boot images at your PC and the ROM Zips on your device, you are well prepared to do this.

Hi mate,
Yes I will make sure to back EVERYTHING up. I have a couple more questions.
I have seen people saying flash RUU, Flash Kernal, etc.
I don't know what the RUU is and im not very informed about Kernals, I know the ROM is the OS, the Kernal is the Driver? I think (NOT A CLUE ABOUT RUU)
And I have heard of battery life getting drained much quicker etc after root? Or people developing signal problems etc.
Finally, if I do root, and decide I don't like it, can I revert to stock and retain warranty?
Again thanks for all the help so far guys !

had 3 phones...last one had a big gap on the left hand side and had issues with power button. had phone unlocked and rooted...left the phone unlocked but flashed back the stock rom that came with the phone...send it to the repair center and the phone came back brand spanking new and still unlocked and everything was covered by the warranty. as long as you do not fry the motherboard due to overclocking and you are careful what you flash and take time to read and search of what you want to do i say you are good to go mate...and like i said few minutes ago to someone else..if you want to customize and love playing with different themes then Viper is your rom...if you want a clean cut rom but still with the tweaks from Viper then ARHD or Renovate are the great roms and far more faster if you ask me...
plus do not forget there is MIUI based on sense framework which for me is awesome and has so many themes and lockscreens to play with and also JB roms to

Goku80 said:
had 3 phones...last one had a big gap on the left hand side and had issues with power button. had phone unlocked and rooted...left the phone unlocked but flashed back the stock rom that came with the phone...send it to the repair center and the phone came back brand spanking new and still unlocked and everything was covered by the warranty. as long as you do not fry the motherboard due to overclocking and you are careful what you flash and take time to read and search of what you want to do i say you are good to go mate...and like i said few minutes ago to someone else..if you want to customize and love playing with different themes then Viper is your rom...if you want a clean cut rom but still with the tweaks from Viper then ARHD or Renovate are the great roms and far more faster if you ask me...
plus do not forget there is MIUI based on sense framework which for me is awesome and has so many themes and lockscreens to play with and also JB roms to
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Bah everyone is telling me to Root it, like I said yeah I wan't customisation with themes etc, which Viper has really drawn me into, but on the other hand I want a clean and bugless rom, that just WORKS GREAT.
Thanks for your example of warranty, thats sorted my head out a bit.
Will probably take the plunge within the next few days, and give it a go.
Just building my confidence up to do it !!
THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE !

Wilks3y said:
Bah everyone is telling me to Root it, like I said yeah I wan't customisation with themes etc, which Viper has really drawn me into, but on the other hand I want a clean and bugless rom, that just WORKS GREAT.
Thanks for your example of warranty, thats sorted my head out a bit.
Will probably take the plunge within the next few days, and give it a go.
Just building my confidence up to do it !!
THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE !
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no problem my friend. here is a good start up guide for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_One_X

Wilks3y said:
Bah everyone is telling me to Root it, like I said yeah I wan't customisation with themes etc, which Viper has really drawn me into, but on the other hand I want a clean and bugless rom, that just WORKS GREAT.
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All the roms are great :laugh:. Just pick what suits your needs. And good luck with the flashing!
And if you want bugless, stay away from the Jelly Bean roms. Fast as hell and buttersmooth but not completely bugfree. I'm waiting for the official HTC Jelly Bean-update, i hope the AOSP-rom-developers can bring us some magic than.

Huubs said:
All the roms are great :laugh:. Just pick what suits your needs. And good luck with the flashing!
And if you want bugless, stay away from the Jelly Bean roms. Fast as hell and buttersmooth but not completely bugfree. I'm waiting for the official HTC Jelly Bean-update, i hope the AOSP-rom-developers can bring us some magic than.
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Don't suppose you know what happens when / if they release the official JB Rom,
Can you go back to stock roms, cuz I think when JB is released, I would want to go back to stock.

I've heard rumors in september. I repeat rumors!!!! Could also be december, you never know with HTC
And it's always possible to go back to stock. Only important thing is that you have a nandroid backup of your stock rom without root.
- unlock bootloader
- flash cwm
- do a nandroid backup!!!! and place a copy on your PC
to go back to stock after flashing custom rom:
- extract boot.img from your stock rom nandroid backup on your PC and flash it via fastboot.
- wipe data/cache, factory reset in cwm
- restore stock rom nandroid backup in cwm
- flash corresponding recovery from your stock rom via fastboot
After that you can OTA-update your One X and you're ready to enjoy some wonderful jelly beans
Happy flashing!

Huubs said:
I've heard rumors in september. I repeat rumors!!!! Could also be december, you never know with HTC
And it's always possible to go back to stock. Only important thing is that you have a nandroid backup of your stock rom without root.
- unlock bootloader
- flash cwm
- do a nandroid backup!!!! and place a copy on your PC
to go back to stock after flashing custom rom:
- extract boot.img from your stock rom nandroid backup on your PC and flash it via fastboot.
- wipe data/cache, factory reset in cwm
- restore stock rom nandroid backup in cwm
- flash corresponding recovery from your stock rom via fastboot
After that you can OTA-update your One X and you're ready to enjoy some wonderful jelly beans
Happy flashing!
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Hi mate, might have to save what you just said as a notepad when I get home
Don't know why im finding it such a struggle to take the leap of faith and root it, do I worry too much?

Wilks3y said:
Hi mate, might have to save what you just said as a notepad when I get home
Don't know why im finding it such a struggle to take the leap of faith and root it, do I worry too much?
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I know exactly what you mean. It took me a year before i rooted my desire. You root when you are ready for it.
Here's i.m.o. the best guide for rooting your One X: http://onexroot.com/one-x-root/how-to-root-one-x/
Step 18: go to your location where you put the onexroot-folder
Step 39: Download cwm 5.8.4.0 from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1594819 and place it in the onexroot-folder and flash it with fastboot flash recovery recovery-clockwork-touch-5.8.4.0-endeavoru.img
After flashing cwm, make a nandroid backup from your stock rom. Then you continue with step 40.
If you're ready with the guide and it's not ok, you missed something. This almost can't go wrong.
Goodluck :good:

Go for it

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Go for it
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See, this morning I was all up for it.
I was like "Yeah, what can go wrong, the ROM's look brilliant, you've rooted and flashed a phone before and it was better after flash".
Now I'm like "No DONT DO IT, if something goes wrong then you'll have to pay for repairs, when you've already spent 500£ on the phone".
BAH why does Vipers ROM exist, I would be able to stay away from rooting without that ROM, I just love the red/blue themes where its all black etc.

Info regarding what can be flashed to VZW M9's

Hey guys, this is my first HTC device. I've been reading through the threads here and in the intl forum and I just wanted to get a little info in one place as to what we can flash for this device. I sent mine off to someone with a Java Card, so now that I'm good to go, I wanted to see what all I (and other VZW users) can do at this early stage in the game. I know that until there is an easier way to S-Off/root/etc than sending your device to someone it is still kinda rocky as to development on this particular device, but I've heard mixed reviews on what ROMs/kernels are good to flash.
I assume that as long as I've got a custom recovery, flashing ROMs on this device would be the same as the other devices I've used... just pick the file in TWRP and flash, right?
As far as ROMs go, I've read that ViperOne works, along with InsertCoin with nothing extra.. just flash and go apparently. As for other ROMs, a little editing and some files from the stock VZW ROM should make them work, right? What files exactly would be needed?
Basically, if you've flashed anything, post your results here. What works, what doesn't, anything I should do before I start flashing myself. Any good threads I should read before I jump in. Thanks guys!

I have a thread about the roms in this forum named VZW M9 roms.
Basically the ones you've named I've tried with success. Also LeeDrOiD rom added Verizon support today. Build 7.5.

jtommyj said:
I have a thread about the roms in this forum named VZW M9 roms.
Basically the ones you've named I've tried with success. Also LeeDrOiD rom added Verizon support today. Build 7.5.
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I never claimed to be a genius I've read through your thread, that's where I got the ROMs that worked... My brain wasn't working at full capacity when I made the thread. Thanks.
That being said though, lets assume that a soft-brick occurs. How would one go about fixing that? In my experience with the S4 and the device I had previous to that, it was simple to fix a soft-brick as long as I still had recovery access. Would the same be true for the M9? What about reverting to stock.. as in stock recovery, firmware, etc. Also, from what I've seen, adb tends to be used a bit more for this device than others that I'm used to. Not that I have a problem with it, I just haven't used it very much and will likely have to brush up a little bit on the nuances of it. I just don't want to create a $650 paperweight so I want to be absolutely sure that what I'm doing can be fixed, and that I avoid doing things that CAN'T be fixed.

lordcheeto03 said:
I never claimed to be a genius I've read through your thread, that's where I got the ROMs that worked... My brain wasn't working at full capacity when I made the thread. Thanks.
That being said though, lets assume that a soft-brick occurs. How would one go about fixing that? In my experience with the S4 and the device I had previous to that, it was simple to fix a soft-brick as long as I still had recovery access. Would the same be true for the M9? What about reverting to stock.. as in stock recovery, firmware, etc. Also, from what I've seen, adb tends to be used a bit more for this device than others that I'm used to. Not that I have a problem with it, I just haven't used it very much and will likely have to brush up a little bit on the nuances of it. I just don't want to create a $650 paperweight so I want to be absolutely sure that what I'm doing can be fixed, and that I avoid doing things that CAN'T be fixed.
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Well first thing you need to have a custom recovery flashed.
Then you would need to backup your stock system. If you are in a soft brick then volume up and power being held at the same time should get you out of it.
There should not be a need to refresh firmware since the original firmware is all we have. I do believe an Ruu is being worked on currently.
Final word- if you're unsure,don't!!

Updating question

Ok, I start this off with the fact that this is my first phone with the whole slot A&B thing. I've done a ton of reading but it's still very confusing to me. I'm very confused on what exactly to do when it comes to updates. I'm stock rooted with TWRP installed on slot A. I'm also on the December build. I would like to update but I don't know what the easiest way to go about it is to be honest. I feel like an idiot but I guess that's because I'm really old school when it comes to this stuff. My rooting/roming goes back to the Samsung Captivate and countless other phones up until it got to be too much of a hassle to get a phone from a carrier that could be messed with. Now that I have rambled on, I thought it would be different getting a Pixel but this whole slot thing has me all confused. I basically want to stay stock rooted for now and possibly try a kernel down the line but I'm very happy with stock for now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

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Ok, I start this off with the fact that this is my first phone with the whole slot A&B thing. I've done a ton of reading but it's still very confusing to me. I'm very confused on what exactly to do when it comes to updates. I'm stock rooted with TWRP installed on slot A. I'm also on the December build. I would like to update but I don't know what the easiest way to go about it is to be honest. I feel like an idiot but I guess that's because I'm really old school when it comes to this stuff. My rooting/roming goes back to the Samsung Captivate and countless other phones up until it got to be too much of a hassle to get a phone from a carrier that could be messed with. Now that I have rambled on, I thought it would be different getting a Pixel but this whole slot thing has me all confused. I basically want to stay stock rooted for now and possibly try a kernel down the line but I'm very happy with stock for now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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@Homeboy76 will get you squared away :good:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pi...-android-9-0-pie-unlock-t3857195/post77944292

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@Homeboy76 will get you squared away :good:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pi...-android-9-0-pie-unlock-t3857195/post77944292
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Thanks for the reply. I've read throughout that thread numerous times and I still can't determine the easiest way to update my phone and the necessary steps to take to get there. I just want to be stock rooted like I am now but don't know what steps to take to get there. Like do I need to unroot first, relock bootloader? I'm sure all those answers are in that thread but I'm probably just too dense to see them. I haven't really had a solid rooted phone in like 3 years so I'm used to things being done way different. Some times I miss my old HTC Inspire/Desire HD. There was so much development for that phone and it was all very straightforward.

pside15 said:
Thanks for the reply. I've read throughout that thread numerous times and I still can't determine the easiest way to update my phone and the necessary steps to take to get there. I just want to be stock rooted like I am now but don't know what steps to take to get there. Like do I need to unroot first, relock bootloader? I'm sure all those answers are in that thread but I'm probably just too dense to see them. I haven't really had a solid rooted phone in like 3 years so I'm used to things being done way different. Some times I miss my old HTC Inspire/Desire HD. There was so much development for that phone and it was all very straightforward.
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This guide is how I update the monthly security patches. It is predicated on the notion that you have the latest platform-tools (28.0.1) and that your computer and phone are communicating well. It doesn't not require you to switch slots, and it will not wipe your data, and, you do not have to unroot before you begin. Happy flashing, and good luck
And never ever ever relock the bootloader! :crying:

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This guide is how I update the monthly security patches. It is predicated on the notion that you have the latest platform-tools (28.0.1) and that your computer and phone are communicating well. It doesn't not require you to switch slots, and it will not wipe your data, and, you do not have to unroot before you begin. Happy flashing, and good luck
And never ever ever relock the bootloader! :crying:
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Awesome, thank you very much for that. Yeah, I figured that about the bootloader. Does it matter if I have TWRP installed? That's the one main confusing thing to me. How you can have TWRP installed or not installed. I'm used to absolutely having to have TWRP or some other kind of custom recovery installed. But like I said it's been quite a while since I was really able to root/ROM a phone. I was basically forced to move to AT&T and opted for the Active line of Galaxy phones since I have little kids plus even the phones that were rootable and such seemed like more of a hassle than it was worth. The last phone I had that had some good development was probably the LG G3 on T-MOBILE. For some reason the T-MOBILE version had an unlocked bootloader or could be unlocked, don't remember exactly. But then a coworker got a Pixel 2XL and I got the itch again, not knowing how much had really changed though. Ok, I think I've rambled on enough now. Thanks again for the help.

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Awesome, thank you very much for that. Yeah, I figured that about the bootloader. Does it matter if I have TWRP installed? That's the one main confusing thing to me. How you can have TWRP installed or not installed. I'm used to absolutely having to have TWRP or some other kind of custom recovery installed. But like I said it's been quite a while since I was really able to root/ROM a phone. I was basically forced to move to AT&T and opted for the Active line of Galaxy phones since I have little kids plus even the phones that were rootable and such seemed like more of a hassle than it was worth. The last phone I had that had some good development was probably the LG G3 on T-MOBILE. For some reason the T-MOBILE version had an unlocked bootloader or could be unlocked, don't remember exactly. But then a coworker got a Pixel 2XL and I got the itch again, not knowing how much had really changed though. Ok, I think I've rambled on enough now. Thanks again for the help.
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Doesn't matter if you have twrp installed or not. When you fastboot the update, it'll wipe it out anyway :good: