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Returning my G5 to get a HTC 10

I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10

dino1342 said:
I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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Maybe a lot of G5 maybe returned but I doubt the S7/Edge as they have a lot more advantage over the HTC 10 such like water/dust proofing, fast wireless charging, much better re-sale value, screen quality, potentially a faster and reliable camera to name but a few. The G5 was just a rushed prototype, perhaps they'll get it right next flagship as I like the modular concept.

dino1342 said:
I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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I used jump on demand for lg g5 from s7 edge and now i think i will jump again to htc 10. Only reason i jumped from s7 edge was hifi plus module but it looks like it will take a long time to come to us. In the meantime, the idea of buying module kinda died on me and now i am thinking why should i spend extra 200 bucks for module if htc 10 comes with a great audio? So yes as soon as htc 10 becomes available i am jumping again. I have to say if i have to choose between s7 edge and g5, i will pick s7 edge fast. I regretted jumpimg to g5 and that was the first time i felt regretted while in jump on demand program lol. S7 edge is that good, it has most of things right and i only wished they had an extra good audio. Only the idea of getting module resisted my thought of returning.

Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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jrwingate6 said:
Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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You are like me lol. I liked the s7 edge probably the best phone i ever used but i want better audio experience too among other things. Also i am addicted to phones that are somewhat unique and i believe htc 10 is one of them haha. Just jump to htc 10, that is what i will do.

jkforce said:
You are like me lol. I liked the s7 edge probably the best phone i ever used but i want better audio experience too among other things. Also i am addicted to phones that are somewhat unique and i believe htc 10 is one of them haha. Just jump to htc 10, that is what i will do.
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Yea. I figure if I jump to the 10 and don't like it that much I could always jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus being how my jump on demand restarts in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades.
I love Jump on demand. I feel bad for those who couldnt get it in time.
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jrwingate6 said:
Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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1. Don't be so quick to judge, I'd wait for Anandtech's full review. So far Joshua hasn't said anything majorly negative about it[1][2]. All I've heard is that it has a reddish tint if you look at it from non-realistic angles. Same applies to AMOLED displays. I'd personally be more concerned about getting a bad AMOLED with blotchy, uneven colors or green tint with the shades of grey..
2. Again, don't be so quick to judge.
Just saying "inferior storage speed" doesn't accurately describe the storage speed differences.They're whole different beasts.
And if you're complaining about the storage speed, then you MUST be talking about it in context of file transfers because I cannot imagine what you could possibly be doing on your phone that would need faster sequential read speed, because that's where the S7/S7E is faster where as the HTC 10 has faster sequential write speeds thanks to the SLC write cache.
Here's Anandtech's storage speed numbers from the HTC 10 battery life/storage speed article[2].
Of course this is just sequential reads and writes, what's important are the random 4K numbers because that's what using the phone is.
Unfortunately AndroBench 3.6 is borked on Android 6 and AndroBench 4 is just not consistent enough. So only sequential numbers for now..
But what we can do is look at previous random 4K read/write speeds.
And then we can guesstimate the random 4K speeds of the iNAND 7232 inside the HTC 10.
The previous version, iNAND 7132 boasted 2800/3300 IOPS for random 4K read/write respectively according to specs. But again, not sure in what circumstances you can get these numbers.
That's MBps = (IOPS * KB IO size) / 1024
(2800*4) / 1024 = 10.9MBps (plausible)
(3300*4) / 1024 = 12.8MBps (uhm, this seems a bit inflated)
iNAND 7132 was eMMC 5.0 where as iNAND 7232 is eMMC 5.1, the reason I mention that is because
This new solution also supports eMMC 5.1 with a command queue to improve random IO read speeds.
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So in theory we should have higher random 4K read speeds on the iNAND 7232 IF your workload has an I/O queue higher than 1. Multitasking would be one of those scenarios.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9019/sandisk-announces-inand-7132-slctlc-hybrid-emmc
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9432/sandisk-announces-inand-7232-emmc-51-128gb-and-slctlc
Actually the LG V10 uses the iNAND 7232, notebookcheck.net has random 4K numbers for it. 30/16MB/s read/write respectively, but I'm not sure of the settings they used with AndroBench 3. So take those numbers with a grain of salt.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/LG-V10-Smartphone-Review.158944.0.html
Also if you find any random 4K read/write speed results of the HTC 10 on internet, like ArsTechnica's, I'd take them with a HUGE grain of salt.
Hunt3rj2 on Reddit a.k.a Joshua Ho from Anandtech said:
I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.
In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB. The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not.
By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests. This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.
eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks. It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage. Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.
This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing. There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB. I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report.
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Although one argued that
I can confidently say that almost no app developer designs their app based on eMMC or UFS storage. No one cares what kind of storage is in a phone.
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To which Joshua responded
That's fair, but generally speaking it's more difficult to implement multithreading than not. Using 8 threads for IO is going to be a rare situation at best.
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To which I completely agree.
On top of that, your S7 Edge has USB 2.0 which in real life tops around at 40-45MB/s while the HTC 10 has USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) interface. Which is mind bogglingly fast compared to USB 2.0.
Which means that with the HTC 10 you'll be able to read/write to the phone at pretty much as fast as the storage allows, where as with the S7 Edge you're limited by the USB 2.0 transfer speed.
Aaaaaand inb4 someone mentions "but with 2x2 802.11ac you're going to have 867Mbps...". No. Just no.
You're going to be looking at ~600Mbps of real bandwidth in the best possible scenario with an excellent WiFi implementation (like iPad Pro) which is without anyone else sharing airtime with your device and standing right next to the access point. Add another device or more to the scenario or increase the distance between you and the AP > and you've dropped below USB 2.0 speeds.
Let's also throw in there the fact that HTC is going to allow us to use the Adoptable Storage feature of Android 6 > we can have truck loads of fast storage on the phone, assuming you buy a fast microSD card that is
We don't have confirmation yet but I'm hoping that the HTC 10 would have UHS-II bus interface. The A9 has UHS-I U3 so that's what we'll have at minimum (95/90MB/s cards) but it would be really nice if it would be UHS-II U3.
3. In what ways? Dxomark ranked the camera quite high. Of course it's not perfect but I wouldn't call it "inferior". It's certainly on par from what I've seen and heard.
S7/S7E auto focus speed is of course miles better and ridiculously fast thanks to PDAF but how often will you be shooting photos in perfectly lit conditions where PDAF reigns supreme?
In photos the two are very evenly matched but if video recording is more important to you, that is where the S7 is better, stabilization and noise wise.
Although the audio portion does make the 10 a bit more appealing in the video recording side of things. Stereo recording with noise cancellation is pretty freaking nice, wouldn't you agree?
Of course I would like PDAF for video recording on the HTC 10 because PDAF is freaking awesome but you can't have everything.
4. Pretty much inline with it's size. Sure I would've liked a, say 3200mAh capacity but they would've had to make the device slightly thicker, which I wouldn't mind of course, but in this day and age thinness has been
5. Um. Ok.
[1] http://anandtech.com/show/10238/hands-on-with-the-htc-10
[2] http://anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results

Damn dude. Quite the long response. I didn't say any of these things were definitely going to be worse on the HTC. I just said I was worried about these areas.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the HTC display won't be as good as the S7? The S7 only has the highest rated mobile display.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the camera won't be as good? The S7 only has the highest rated camera.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried that I won't get as good of battery life out of the HTC? I'm only getting 8 hours of SOT with over 30 hours on a single charge.
Good point on the NAND argument by the way.
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jrwingate6 said:
Damn dude. Quite the long response. I didn't say any of these things were definitely going to be worse on the HTC. I just said I was worried about these areas.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the HTC display won't be as good as the S7? The S7 only has the highest rated mobile display.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the camera won't be as good? The S7 only has the highest rated camera.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried that I won't get as good of battery life out of the HTC? I'm only getting 8 hours of SOT with over 30 hours on a single charge.
Good point on the NAND argument by the way.
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That NAND argument is only viable in file transfers, specifically from computer to the phone. I personally dont transfer filesvia wired connection, i just use airdroid and give it time to transfer. But in real world performance, The S7 has much better read speed which equates to better day to day use (app opening times etc...)

I am thinking...unlocked boot loader? If the s7 had unlocked boot loader I would have kept it. But I simply want custom roms and can't have it with the s7. The main feature of the s7 that hooked me was ip68. I mean i can just toss any phone in a zip lock baggie and use it but Still. G5 is out. I am still curious the next nexus devices and the note 6 but honestly I am tired of wielding such large phone single handedly it's getting old. I was smaller phone with huge battery, ip68, stellar audio and decent camera and display. I would choose the 10 over the s7 at this point because of boot loader. If that doesn't matter then s7.
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Battery Life Gets Rave Review
This reviewer says battery life could be as high as two days with normal use. He said he got more than a day with heavy use and testing.
http://bgr.com/2016/04/14/htc-10-review/
The screen isn't going to be on par with the S7, but it sounds like the 10 might be the phone many of us were hoping the S7 would be.
I'm on Verizon, and I'll probably jump on this phone if Big Red doesn't screw up the bootloader options.

Screen vs S7 is subjective.
For me the S7 is AMOLED, so is automatically pants, lol.
Having seen the HTC 10, I'd have definitely returned the G5 I had on order, if it had turned up, but the order was delayed to 22nd April - clearly meant to be.

You guys get a bit to technical for me (no offense whatsoever meant), but am I missing something with the screen? Sure, AMOLED is amazing in bright light situations, however I can't bear the over saturation in colors on AMOLED screens. I also read that AMOLED has a much shorter lifespan in comparison. Maybe I've been away from AMOLED too long, but I never liked them.
With regard to cameras, I shoot a vast majority in low light situations, so Ultrapixel wins all day in that respect.
I'll admit I'm a HTC fan boy, but with the M9 I was so disappointed I went to a LG V10. The sound (phones, not speaker) are very good and the camera IMHO is the best all around on a smartphone. The 10 has me itching to make the jump back to HTC. My only disappointment thus far is that they moved a speaker to the bottom. Everything else seems like a major step forward.

hunteditor said:
This reviewer says battery life could be as high as two days with normal use. He said he got more than a day with heavy use and testing.
http://bgr.com/2016/04/14/htc-10-review/
The screen isn't going to be on par with the S7, but it sounds like the 10 might be the phone many of us were hoping the S7 would be.
I'm on Verizon, and I'll probably jump on this phone if Big Red doesn't screw up the bootloader options.
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There has not been a phone were verizon left the bootloader unlocked. You'll have better luck buying the unlocked version and hoping it works on verizon.

WorldOfJohnboy said:
You guys get a bit to technical for me (no offense whatsoever meant), but am I missing something with the screen? Sure, AMOLED is amazing in bright light situations, however I can't bear the over saturation in colors on AMOLED screens. I also read that AMOLED has a much shorter lifespan in comparison. Maybe I've been away from AMOLED too long, but I never liked them.
With regard to cameras, I shoot a vast majority in low light situations, so Ultrapixel wins all day in that respect.
I'll admit I'm a HTC fan boy, but with the M9 I was so disappointed I went to a LG V10. The sound (phones, not speaker) are very good and the camera IMHO is the best all around on a smartphone. The 10 has me itching to make the jump back to HTC. My only disappointment thus far is that they moved a speaker to the bottom. Everything else seems like a major step forward.
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Damn where do you ppl get these infos from, i have friends using the S1 and it still works with no burning what so ever. That is 7yrs.

I bet I could spot burn in on a 7 year old AMOLED phone, unless it's never been turned on.
It's just the display tech, the notification bar will almost certainly be ghosting on a phone that old.

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Damn where do you ppl get these infos from, i have friends using the S1 and it still works with no burning what so ever. That is 7yrs.
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Burn in is one thing, but degradation is a different animal. Here's one example: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Again, everything is subjective, but for me most important is color reproduction and saturation, which AMOLED quite frankly sucks at. I remember on my older Notes and S phones, half the pictures I took of family, skin displayed as orange on the phone, but accurate tones on my laptop or LCD/LED displays.

Add me to the club of G5 owners who ditched it. Battery life wasnt good for me. I could never get higher than 4hr sot. I never had bt running or gps either and brightness on 35-40% because auto was always too dim. Device was very fast though. Didnt have build issues but didnt feel like a $600+ phone. Preorded HTC 10 in glacier wooot wooot

Here's one review comparing the 4 major flagships. HTC 10 is #2 and the G5 is last (pretty significantly so).
http://www.stuff.tv/features/smartp...s-vs-htc-10/and-winner-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge

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Burn in is one thing, but degradation is a different animal. Here's one example: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Again, everything is subjective, but for me most important is color reproduction and saturation, which AMOLED quite frankly sucks at. I remember on my older Notes and S phones, half the pictures I took of family, skin displayed as orange on the phone, but accurate tones on my laptop or LCD/LED displays.
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Well even that is no problem, they stil look pretty good, no problems whatsoever. AMOLED is the most color acxcurate display on the market if you use Photo mode in the settings

HTC 10 vs Samsung S7

Hello, I have been a long time fan of HTC, and still use my One S from 2012. Back then the one series was the best in every department, the Samsung equivalent has was nowhere in sight.
Anyway time has finally come to upgrade, and looking at the reviews I am torn between the HTC 10 and Samsung S7. I know there must be plenty of threads on this topic, but I couldn't find any using the search, so please link if there is any. I created a list below, but I wanted the opinions of the owners to tell me if they are accurate.
HTC 10 Pros:
Unlocked Bootloader/Easy custom ROMS
Best Lite Android UI (Sense)
Use SD Card are Internal Storage
Boomsound and Audio Codecs
USB 3.0
S7 Pros:
AMOLED >>>> LCD
Camera??
Waterproofing
A lot has been said about the camera problems with the HTC 10, the latest update v1.51 was supposed to address the issues. Have any owners received the update and has it improved to match the S7? And I guess with further updates the camera can only get better...
But on the other hand, surely with time the S7 will become unlockable and easy to install custom ROM's? And if so I could easily install a better ROM with near stock android UI
Not sure what to decide. What do owners think of my list, do they agree with the things I have said??
Cheers

Well I have the S7 Edge and I decided to buy the HTC 10 because I was sick of all the issues the S7 Edge had, if that tells you anything.
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At the end of the day, both devices are more than capable, so I'm forced to be a little nitpicky and look at what I consider big cons for me that I've read about throughout my research on both. I do want the HTC 10 far more.
HTC 10 has been experiencing random screen issues, such as pink/yellow tints.
SG7 has been experiencing random pink tints, too, plus an apparent dead zone on the lowest point of the screen. I've also read about the camera glass randomly cracking/shattering. The entire phone being incased in glass makes me very nervous. A bump/drop could mean a shattered phone instead of a cracked screen.
Sadly, due to my wedding/money issues I'm forced to use my BestBuy credit to upgrade, so if the unlocked HTC 10 does not come to BestBuy, I'm forced into a Exynos G7.

I've got the TMo S7 and will probably switch to the 10 when it's available for Jump.
The S7 is definitely not a bad phone at all. I love the waterproofing on it and only have a few minor complaints. The speaker isn't great, probably takes a hit from the waterproofing. I get a lot of accidental touches on the edges of the screen from my palm when using it one handed. Lastly, the home button is pretty loud. I use my phone a lot in bed while my fiancée is asleep, and it just seems deafeningly loud (exaggerating a lot, but in a quite bedroom it is noticeable).
I haven't used an HTC device in a few years so I'm not sure how it will compare, but I'm looking forward to giving it a shot.

I went from a Note 5 to the HTC 10 (just look at my signature for order of devices...I have zero brand loyalty). Couple buddies of mine went to the S7E. Nice device, but just like the Note 5, forget modding it. To me it looks like a bigger fisher price phone. Flashy design, flashy bold colors, and absolutely zero customization. No thanks...never again. I would have went for a Nexus phone but I like the SD slot so HTC 10 was my pick.

Sammy Exynos versions are unlockable and have a dev community going. It's just the US versions that are locked down.
Sammy isn't as forgiving as GTC, though, and rooting and such will void your warranty.
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I don't have a preference between LCD and AMOLED, honestly. AMOLED has its strengths, but I like better color reproduction vs. saturation. This is, of course, a personal preference. And I'm pretty sure the 10's camera is aboooooouuuut as good as the S7's, especially post-update. Dxomark thought so, anyway.
I'd hate to inflame a useless Samsung vs. HTC flame war, but Samsung's button placement and UI make me want to smash their phones off of a concrete floor, douse them in lighter fluid, burn them, and fire them into the sun.

I'm on T-Mobile, and with the locked bootloader on the S7, I'm about to JUMP again to the HTC 10, personally. The S7 is nice if you don't care about rooting, but I'm too much of a tinkerer to do without. There's a workaround for adoptable storage on the S7, but it causes the reporting of the storage to mess up and display wrong information, which makes me wonder if that's why Samsung left it out. The cameras will likely be fairly even since the update, and honestly, I listen to music more than I take pictures, so the 10 is better suited for me. I also am not a fan at all of Samsung's UI, but I thought I'd be able to fix that with root.

I'm on T-Mobile as well and have one more Jump until June with Jump on Demand. I'm waiting for the 10 to hit their stores so I can make up my mind.
I obviously can't make a pro's and con's list since I don't own the 10 but I can make a list of what I'm worried about switching from the S7 Edge to the HTC 10.
1. Battery......I have gotten a taste of what 8 hours SOT and over a day of usage tastes like. After reading some posts regarding the 10's battery life, it looks like one area I'd regret.
2. Display.....Putting the AMOLED/LCD argument aside because honestly, I could care less what display technology my phone has just as long as it's a good display. What I'm worried about however is the size and brightness. I use my phone a lot outdoors and after reading some reviews, it looks like the S7E is much brighter in direct sunlight. In regards to screen size, I've been using a phone with a 5.5 inch + display for the past 2 years and feel like anything below 5.5in. will feel small.
3. Camera.....I love the camera on the S7E and as of right now, I believe it to be the better camera in most situations as of right now. I do think HTC will improve the 10's camera through updates but it still worries me.
If HTC would have built this exact phone around a 5.5in display and a 3600 mAh battery, it would have made my decision much easier. I like the speaker design and I love how they didn't skin Android's UI to death. Granted it doesn't really effect me too much since Nova is the first app I install on every phone.
I guess we will see what happens on the 18th when the phone hit's T-Mobile shelves.

jrwingate6 said:
I'm on T-Mobile as well and have one more Jump until June with Jump on Demand. I'm waiting for the 10 to hit their stores so I can make up my mind.
I obviously can't make a pro's and con's list since I don't own the 10 but I can make a list of what I'm worried about switching from the S7 Edge to the HTC 10.
1. Battery......I have gotten a taste of what 8 hours SOT and over a day of usage tastes like. After reading some posts regarding the 10's battery life, it looks like one area I'd regret.
2. Display.....Putting the AMOLED/LCD argument aside because honestly, I could care less what display technology my phone has just as long as it's a good display. What I'm worried about however is the size and brightness. I use my phone a lot outdoors and after reading some reviews, it looks like the S7E is much brighter in direct sunlight. In regards to screen size, I've been using a phone with a 5.5 inch + display for the past 2 years and feel like anything below 5.5in. will feel small.
3. Camera.....I love the camera on the S7E and as of right now, I believe it to be the better camera in most situations as of right now. I do think HTC will improve the 10's camera through updates but it still worries me.
If HTC would have built this exact phone around a 5.5in display and a 3600 mAh battery, it would have made my decision much easier. I like the speaker design and I love how they didn't skin Android's UI to death. Granted it doesn't really effect me too much since Nova is the first app I install on every phone.
I guess we will see what happens on the 18th when the phone hit's T-Mobile shelves.
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You could run into a Verizon store and check it out. That's what I did as I was waiting for mine to arrive. I'm very satisfied with the 10. Only downside I've had is screen brightness outdoors.
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Galaxy S7 edge to Oneplus 3

Should I change my Galaxy S7 edge to OnePlus 3? I have heard great things about one plus 3. Fastest Android phone no lag best battery life etc.

i have had both ,i prefer one plus 3

S7 edge is almost twice the price, has a better camera (particularly in low light), is waterproof, and runs terrible software (touchwiz/grace)
OP3 has better performance, larger screen, faster fingerprint reader, and far better developer rom support

Depends?? From your post, I get the impression that you already have the S7E? If you already have and paid for the S7E, I wouldn't bother, unless you are looking to do something with the 1+3 that you can't with the S7E.

2x4 said:
S7 edge is almost twice the price, has a better camera (particularly in low light), is waterproof, and runs terrible software (touchwiz/grace)
OP3 has better performance, larger screen, faster fingerprint reader, and far better developer rom support
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It's water resistant

AT&Tsucks said:
It's water resistant
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technically, you're right since it's IP68, but i don't go diving with my phone, i'd only take it in the pool and lake, so for my purposes it's "waterproof"

Hw4ng3r said:
Depends?? From your post, I get the impression that you already have the S7E? If you already have and paid for the S7E, I wouldn't bother, unless you are looking to do something with the 1+3 that you can't with the S7E.
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Yes I already paid for it. But I want phone with better battery life no lag. This phone lags alot.

AT&Tsucks;68925814 said:
Yes I already paid for it. But I want phone with better battery life no lag. This phone lags alot.
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Op3 is way better. I sold my s7e

2x4 said:
S7 edge is almost twice the price, has a better camera (particularly in low light), is waterproof, and runs terrible software (touchwiz/grace)
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larger screen? lol your joking right? same size display buddy. lol
I own booth and the s7 edge is collecting dust at the moment. hate the edge display. its annoying how often you accidently touch the screen.
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Yes I already paid for it. But I want phone with better battery life no lag. This phone lags alot.
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I own an s7 edge and I don't even use it. I absolute hate the lagg touch wiz has to offer. the s7edge will be the last phone I use from Samsung. im stick with stock android from now on.

egren58 said:
larger screen? lol your joking right? same size display buddy. lol
I own booth and the s7 edge is collecting dust at the moment. hate the edge display. its annoying how often you accidently touch the screen.
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I own an s7 edge and I don't even use it. I absolute hate the lagg touch wiz has to offer. the s7edge will be the last phone I use from Samsung. im stick with stock android from now on.
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Yeah I don't like this phone either I been using Samsung phones for entire life. This phone just lags.

egren58 said:
larger screen? lol your joking right? same size display buddy. lol
I own booth and the s7 edge is collecting dust at the moment. hate the edge display. its annoying how often you accidently touch the screen.
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I own an s7 edge and I don't even use it. I absolute hate the lagg touch wiz has to offer. the s7edge will be the last phone I use from Samsung. im stick with stock android from now on.
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Yeah misspoke, s7 is smaller screen than s7 edge
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...laxy-S7-edge,OnePlus-3/phones/9817,9818,10017

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Yeah I don't like this phone either I been using Samsung phones for entire life. This phone just lags.
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make the switch I never looked back at first the display was a bit weird but I have gotten used to it, and no longer bothers me
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Yeah misspoke, s7 is smaller screen than s7 edge
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...laxy-S7-edge,OnePlus-3/phones/9817,9818,10017
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oh okay yeah it happens lol

What's the fastest way to obtain one plus 3? I can order one from their official website but it ships from China and I live in US which takes too long.

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Should I change my Galaxy S7 edge to OnePlus 3? I have heard great things about one plus 3. Fastest Android phone no lag best battery life etc.
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I can answer you better, as i changed galaxy S7 to OP3 just recently.
- Faster than S7, Stock Android, fluid, smooth, far less frame rates drop than S7.
- Sort of same battery life, but twice or three times faster charging, like just 15 minutes? (Not sure about effects on battery health)
- Slimmer phone, save you from sick curved screen, which is prone to break, bends image to make the screen unseable from sides.
If lag or loss of frame rate or touchwiz bothers you like it bothered me, when you will change, you will say you could not do a better decision than this.
Only other options can be Up coming Nexus, but heard they are very expensive, long way away, or iPhone if you are fine with limited functionality. Nexus will have software buttons, loss of screen real estate, and bit bottom bezel.

had the op3 for two months, got the s7e as an "upgrade" 2 days ago and i have changed back to the op3 today and selling the s7e.
battery life not as good and the screen response is terrible

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I can answer you better, as i changed galaxy S7 to OP3 just recently.
- Faster than S7, Stock Android, fluid, smooth, far less frame rates drop than S7.
- Sort of same battery life, but twice or three times faster charging, like just 15 minutes? (Not sure about effects on battery health)
- Slimmer phone, save you from sick curved screen, which is prone to break, bends image to make the screen unseable from sides.
If lag or loss of frame rate or touchwiz bothers you like it bothered me, when you will change, you will say you could not do a better decision than this.
Only other options can be Up coming Nexus, but heard they are very expensive, long way away, or iPhone if you are fine with limited functionality. Nexus will have software buttons, loss of screen real estate, and bit bottom bezel.
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I hate the iPhone and their ****ty os. I like to get games apps and stuff for free so either Android or no phone at all.

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I hate the iPhone and their ****ty os. I like to get games apps and stuff for free so either Android or no phone at all.
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Then close your eyes and get OP3, specially if you like stock android, or if you can wait, consider up coming Nexus. It will be tough battle between two.

I switched from the HTC 10 and like this thing WAY better. So smooth and better performance, no typing lag with swiftkey and snapchat runs as smooth as iPhone. Keep in mind I'm running RR.
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AT&Tsucks;68926359 said:
What's the fastest way to obtain one plus 3? I can order one from their official website but it ships from China and I live in US which takes too long.
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Oneplus.net...I ordered 5 days ago on 9/26 and got it delivered today 10/1

What was your expected ship date? Right now, mine is set to ship on 10/25. Oh well...

so buy oneplus 3 or nexus 6p ?

i want to buy new phone after nexus 4 so should buy one plus 3 or nexus 6p and why

Oneplus 3. Nexus is quite a bit more expensive and doesn't provide too many goods to make it worth the price.

Wait for the OnePlus 3T (to be announced this 15th november).
- https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/09/oneplus-4/
- http://www.techradar.com/news/oneplus-3t-launch-all-but-confirmed-for-november-15-launch

Demian3112 said:
Oneplus 3. Nexus is quite a bit more expensive and doesn't provide too many goods to make it worth the price.
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its quite the same price around 400$

ahmedvip2008 said:
its quite the same price around 400$
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The 64GB variant it €490 here.

ahmedvip2008 said:
its quite the same price around 400$
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Even at the same price I'd still recommend the OnePlus 3. It's more future proof in terms of specs and currently has one of the biggest communities of developers actively working on it. And even if you do decide to stick with OxygenOS, it's pretty damn close to stock Android anyways.

grufwub said:
Even at the same price I'd still recommend the OnePlus 3. It's more future proof in terms of specs and currently has one of the biggest communities of developers actively working on it. And even if you do decide to stick with OxygenOS, it's pretty damn close to stock Android anyways.
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so if the company stop supporting the device the developers will still support 6p is that also with 1+3
i have nexus 4 and dev still support it with android 7.1

ahmedvip2008 said:
so if the company stop supporting the device the developers will still support 6p is that also with 1+3
i have nexus 4 and dev still support it with android 7.1
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ofc the only benefit of buying a nexus device is that google provides new android version half a year before any other brand and all other devices must wait till source gets released. but other than that the hardware is not good enough. if you are not into high performance games and want allways newest android version first then go for nexus. but you get better hardware for better cost if you go for oneplus ( buy oneplus3 t)

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ofc the only benefit of buying a nexus device is that google provides new android version half a year before any other brand and all other devices must wait till source gets released. but other than that the hardware is not good enough. if you are not into high performance games and want allways newest android version first then go for nexus. but you get better hardware for better cost if you go for oneplus ( buy oneplus3 t)
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Couldn't have put it better myself

I have both. There are a few things that may sway a decision. The 6P has nougat source and the available 7.X ROMs reflect that. This isn't a shot at anyone developing here, they just don't have it, or even a stock base to work with. If you like back fingerprint scanners you might lean toward the Nexus, if you're like me and don't that would favor the 3. Updates favor the 6 as mentioned already. The 3 is easier to handle without the massive bezels. The speakerphone through the 6 is very loud if need be and can be easily heard over background noise like a TV. In that regard the 3 is not bad at all but is outgunned by the 6 speakers.
For myself I was tired of keeping up two phones and wanted to move to a dual SIM. That combined with the fact that after several backside fingerprint scanners I'm starting to hate them the move was an easy one to make. I don't miss the 6P, it was and is a great device but the 3 is punching well above its cost.

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I have both. There are a few things that may sway a decision. The 6P has nougat source and the available 7.X ROMs reflect that. This isn't a shot at anyone developing here, they just don't have it, or even a stock base to work with. If you like back fingerprint scanners you might lean toward the Nexus, if you're like me and don't that would favor the 3. Updates favor the 6 as mentioned already. The 3 is easier to handle without the massive bezels. The speakerphone through the 6 is very loud if need be and can be easily heard over background noise like a TV. In that regard the 3 is not bad at all but is outgunned by the 6 speakers.
For myself I was tired of keeping up two phones and wanted to move to a dual SIM. That combined with the fact that after several backside fingerprint scanners I'm starting to hate them the move was an easy one to make. I don't miss the 6P, it was and is a great device but the 3 is punching well above its cost.
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what is the best screen for reading or watching videos

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what is the best screen for reading or watching videos
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if it was for reading and watching video content I prefer 6p. bigger screen, bigger resolution, dual facing speakers

I had the same dilemma, but couldn't get hold of a 6p so went for the op3. Awesome phone with new community builds coming thick and fast. I love mine :laugh:

Nexus 6p all day, every day. Better camera, better quality, better software better battery, better everything.

I think you forgot the hardware in nexus it's sucks
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Nexus 6p all day, every day. Better camera, better quality, better software better battery, better everything.
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Dude you can be a fanboy but don't lie... The 6P has a better camera, screen with dual front facing speakers and that's about it. The OnePlus 3 trump's it in battery life, it destroys it in absolute performance and is much quicker, has much more RAM that can be used without the processor overheating (S810 overheats like crazy, if someone says otherwise, they do not know what they are talking about). The OP3 doesn't snap in half like a cookie when bent, not to mention the fact that the rear glass over the camera cracks extremely easily. The fingerprint scanner is WAY faster on the OP3 Than the 6P. Camera in daylight is better but low light the 6P Is better, but the difference is surprisingly low. For OP, if you are any sort of power user at all and you do a lot of multi tasking or gaming for example, you will have to get the OP3 as the 6P slows down massive as the CPU goes from using the A57 core at 2.0ghz to not being able to use them and going to the garbage A53 cores to do the task which lead to lag and stutter. Not to mention when browsing the 6P is locked to the A53 cores because it'd overheat otherwise and because of this browsing is super slow. Last but not least, the OP3 beats it in audio quality outputted from the headphone jack, it's louder and has wider soundstage while sounding more crisp (you can really notice it in the base) and clean

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I think you forgot the hardware in nexus it's sucks
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why because processor ?!

Yes my nexus 6p here in Greece the summer easy frizz eggs
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Both dope phones boils down to (no pun intended) SD810 vs SD820 and fastest updates + source vs delayed updates + source
Personal preference really if updates matter to you go for the 6P if not will not be disappointed by the OP3

I had a 6P and switched to the Oneplus 3. I was sick of carrying an iPhone 6s for work and a 6P for my personal line. The dual sim capability is incredibly convenient but I would imagine not something that most people end up needing. Other than that here are my thoughts:
Speakers: 6P. If only for the placement. Maybe I am holding it wrong but I always seem to cover up my speaker when holding the phone in landscape mode. It sounds just fine otherwise. Most of the time I use earbuds anyway.
Camera: Tie. No real world difference for me. Both are great.
Fingerprint Sensor: OP3. Location is better when it's sitting on my desk, screen side up. It is also much faster than the 6P.
Buttons: OP3. I HATED the volume rocker location on the 6P. I was constantly changing volume when holding the phone in portrait mode and typing or whatever. This really annoyed the sh!t out of me. Also having the volume buttons on the opposite side of of the power button is better in my opinion. The notification slider is convenient, too.
Signal Strength: OP3 easily. I have a T-Mobile sim in sim1 and Verizon in sim2. The reception on T-Mobile sim is certainly better on the OP3. Not the case with the Verizon sim because of band compatability.
Feel: OP3. This thing feels more premium than the 6P...if that matters to you. It's also easier to hold.
Software: 6P. For the speed and guarantee of updates but OP3 Nougat will make this a tie. Nova Launcher though. And I don't care for rooting and ROMs anymore.
Screen: 6P? Yes it's more clear but really the OP3 screen is all I need in terms of size and resolutionw. One thing the 6P has going for it though is a totally flat screen. This makes screen protectors easier to apply without the ring around the edges.
Battery: OP3. Probably due to screen size and resolution. Also probably due to the reception being better. And Dash Charging is faster than Rapid Charging on the Nexus.
If I think of more, I will add to this post.

Is it really worth the price

Hi,
My friend is planning to get a 5t along with his note 8. Few questions-
1. How is this phones screen as compared to note 8's screen, comparing them at max settings?
2. How smooth is the OS? He is skeptical about it since he is switching from stock android and touchwiz.
Any other down sides of this phone? I hope the screen is really an infinity display like the s8.

I really like the curved edges of the S8. I prefer the S8 in terms of the display it is curve display which makes the screen to body ratio very low.
In terms of OS. I would prefer the OP5T.

billubakra said:
Hi,
My friend is planning to get a 5t along with his note 8. Few questions-
1. How is this phones screen as compared to note 8's screen, comparing them at max settings?
2. How smooth is the OS? He is skeptical about it since he is switching from stock android and touchwiz.
Any other down sides of this phone? I hope the screen is really an infinity display like the s8.
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I've had and regularly use a lot of phones due to my work. One of them being the Note 8.
The Note 8 comes out of the box set at 1080p, but does have the edge in the display department (no pun intended) if you set it to QHD. However unless I'm purposefully staring at it looking for pixels I can't really tell a difference in practical day to day use. The 5T has a gorgeous display and on mine at least, the colors are more accurate. The display is made by Samsung for OnePlus so it's honestly top notch in terms of quality and the "jelly scrolling" issue that was present on the OnePlus 5 for some is gone now with the 5T. So, is the Note 8 better in terms of display? Yes. As it should be, the starting price is about twice that of the 5T. Is it worth twice the asking price? Absolutely not.
The OS kills Samsung's flavor. Touchwiz is a hot mess, and it's even worse when you've had it for a few weeks and Touchwiz starts to really lag. It's much better on the Note 8 than the S8+ due to the RAM upgrade, but it's still there and really irritating. It's been an issue with Samsung phones for years. Oxygen OS is smoother than Touchwiz and frankly, smoother than stock Android on a Pixel in my experience. But that's likely due to the specs of the 5T (I have the 8GB RAM/128GB model). OnePlus changes very little about stock android, they only add a few things that make it a little more convenient and slightly more customizable. It's not a skin as you'd find on a Samsung, LG or Huawei among others. The OnePlus destroys Samsung in terms of smoothness of the OS and multitasking/general use.
One downside people talk about is the camera. Camera is a mixed bag. Honestly that side of marketing with smartphones is ridiculous. The Samsung has the edge, but that's all it is. There's not a smartphone out that can replace a DSLR and there's not a single one out that doesn't have noise or other issues in low light or when pixel peeping. Auto mode for auto mode in the same circumstances there's not enough of a difference to warrant the price hike either. Is it better on the Samsung devices? Yep. But only marginally in the real world. I can't count how many times I've shown people shots taken in identical conditions of identical subjects on all the phones I have and no one can get it right as to which took what shot. There's no clear winner and there's very little difference between them. People tend to just pick a bandwagon and hop on it. The differences come when you really play with pro mode and work to shoot with each phone's strength, but that's not real world use and that's entirely invalid for comparisons or determining which phone to buy. In real life people don't schedule shoots or wait for ideal lighting and conditions for their phone to pull it out and take a photo. That's what professionals do, and professionals don't use smartphones which are the equivalent of drug store disposable point and shoots. People in real life buy a phone they like and they pull it out in a split second on auto mode and snap a shot of the kids, the dogs or what have you.
Down sides depend what you are interested in though. For example yes, the 5T doesn't have an edge display. It also doesn't have the nasty glare or slippery feel that comes with the newer Samsungs. Also if a person relies heavily on the Samsung gimmicks incorporated into Touchwiz, you'll find the 5T very bland and lacking. Personally I never use the "advanced features" on Samsung phones and the only thing I use on my Note 8 is the S pen. And I do love that thing. If you don't like those things and want a more stock experience or a faster phone with at least twice the battery life (my 5T gets 9-10 hours SOT every time I test it, the Note 8 does great to get 3, sometimes almost 4 if I really gimp it for battery life) then the Samsung is the one with the downsides.
Different phones designed for different folks. With the OnePlus 5T you get what you pay for. However they absolutely cannot raise the price again without adding certain things such as a higher resolution display, an IP rating and what have you. With the current $1,000 flagships, you don't get anywhere near what you pay for. They're priced way too god damned high and don't offer enough over phones like the 5T to warrant twice the price. But if you can get them for $600 or less, they're the better buy unless you really care about battery life and specs.

Symphony0fLife said:
I've had and regularly use a lot of phones due to my work. One of them being the Note 8.
The Note 8 comes out of the box set at 1080p, but does have the edge in the display department (no pun intended) if you set it to QHD. However unless I'm purposefully staring at it looking for pixels I can't really tell a difference in practical day to day use. The 5T has a gorgeous display and on mine at least, the colors are more accurate. The display is made by Samsung for OnePlus so it's honestly top notch in terms of quality and the "jelly scrolling" issue that was present on the OnePlus 5 for some is gone now with the 5T. So, is the Note 8 better in terms of display? Yes. As it should be, the starting price is about twice that of the 5T. Is it worth twice the asking price? Absolutely not.
The OS kills Samsung's flavor. Touchwiz is a hot mess, and it's even worse when you've had it for a few weeks and Touchwiz starts to really lag. It's much better on the Note 8 than the S8+ due to the RAM upgrade, but it's still there and really irritating. It's been an issue with Samsung phones for years. Oxygen OS is smoother than Touchwiz and frankly, smoother than stock Android on a Pixel in my experience. But that's likely due to the specs of the 5T (I have the 8GB RAM/128GB model). OnePlus changes very little about stock android, they only add a few things that make it a little more convenient and slightly more customizable. It's not a skin as you'd find on a Samsung, LG or Huawei among others. The OnePlus destroys Samsung in terms of smoothness of the OS and multitasking/general use.
One downside people talk about is the camera. Camera is a mixed bag. Honestly that side of marketing with smartphones is ridiculous. The Samsung has the edge, but that's all it is. There's not a smartphone out that can replace a DSLR and there's not a single one out that doesn't have noise or other issues in low light or when pixel peeping. Auto mode for auto mode in the same circumstances there's not enough of a difference to warrant the price hike either. Is it better on the Samsung devices? Yep. But only marginally in the real world. I can't count how many times I've shown people shots taken in identical conditions of identical subjects on all the phones I have and no one can get it right as to which took what shot. There's no clear winner and there's very little difference between them. People tend to just pick a bandwagon and hop on it. The differences come when you really play with pro mode and work to shoot with each phone's strength, but that's not real world use and that's entirely invalid for comparisons or determining which phone to buy. In real life people don't schedule shoots or wait for ideal lighting and conditions for their phone to pull it out and take a photo. That's what professionals do, and professionals don't use smartphones which are the equivalent of drug store disposable point and shoots. People in real life buy a phone they like and they pull it out in a split second on auto mode and snap a shot of the kids, the dogs or what have you.
Down sides depend what you are interested in though. For example yes, the 5T doesn't have an edge display. It also doesn't have the nasty glare or slippery feel that comes with the newer Samsungs. Also if a person relies heavily on the Samsung gimmicks incorporated into Touchwiz, you'll find the 5T very bland and lacking. Personally I never use the "advanced features" on Samsung phones and the only thing I use on my Note 8 is the S pen. And I do love that thing. If you don't like those things and want a more stock experience or a faster phone with at least twice the battery life (my 5T gets 9-10 hours SOT every time I test it, the Note 8 does great to get 3, sometimes almost 4 if I really gimp it for battery life) then the Samsung is the one with the downsides.
Different phones designed for different folks. With the OnePlus 5T you get what you pay for. However they absolutely cannot raise the price again without adding certain things such as a higher resolution display, an IP rating and what have you. With the current $1,000 flagships, you don't get anywhere near what you pay for. They're priced way too god damned high and don't offer enough over phones like the 5T to warrant twice the price. But if you can get them for $600 or less, they're the better buy unless you really care about battery life and specs.
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Thank you so much for such a detailed review. Is the infinity display on 5T really worth it without the edge display or the side edges/curves? We don't have a opo showroom in our state so can't really check the phone physically. 5T is not water proof, flash is also not good, no vr compatibility, audio speaker is just fine. Any other points that we need to keep in mind? Are they still cheating with benchmark tests?

billubakra said:
Thank you so much for such a detailed review. Is the infinity display on 5T really worth it without the edge display or the side edges/curves? We don't have a opo showroom in our state so can't really check the phone physically. 5T is not water proof, flash is also not good, no vr compatibility, audio speaker is just fine. Any other points that we need to keep in mind? Are they still cheating with benchmark tests?
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Glad to help!
I've never heard OnePlus call it an infinity display. And it's just a term Samsung uses. Yes, on Samsungs you have the display spilling over the edges. Some people like it, others don't. I don't. It has a horrible glare and it alters the picture on screen for the worse, not better. The edge display makes things look really weird on the Samsung phones. So I prefer the flat edges like the 5T has and that Samsung had on the S7 and below, with the Edge display being optional. The bezels on the OnePlus are slightly larger than on the Note 8 and the S8 but not by much and not enough to hinder the experience. It's still a 2:1 ration (or 18:9, however you like to say it). It's not quad HD, so right, no VR, but is the same ratio and looks gorgeous. It's hard to explain. Yes the resolution is lower, but it's not noticeable unless you really pixel peep. Quad HD isn't enabled by default on the S8, S8+ or Note 8 and you don't notice much difference when you enable it to be honest. Most people use their Samsungs on 1080p and don't even realize it. Most aren't tech freaks like us and don't even know you can turn it on.
Flash, I'm not sure what you mean about it not being as good? I already addressed photos above, the flash is fine and not noticeably different in every day use. 5T is not water resistant (even the Samsungs are not water PROOF) but OnePlus has stated it will stand up to splashes just fine. Unless you need to swim or shower with your phone, the 5T should be ok. Audio speaker is mono like the Samsung, but is louder than Samsung and sounds slightly better, though the Samsung has the edge if you use headphones. Headphone sound quality is slightly better with the Samsung. Speaker is better on the 5T.
Benchmarks, I don't know. But they don't mean anything real world either. Like the cameras, it's largely a marketing gimmick. Whatever single or multi core score it gets doesn't mean a thing when translated to actual use. But yeah, it kicks everything else's ass. But it should, being that it has the best specs in the industry for this year. So I don't know if they still fluff numbers, but whether they do or not they still win in the spec pissing contest.
Edit: Simplified, if you can get a 2017 flagship for less money than a 5T costs, or within $100 of the 5T for the Note, the S8+, the V30 or the Pixel 2/2XL, it's worth it to get the flagships. If it costs any more than that, they're not better "enough" to warrant spending the money and I'd go with the 5T. Because the only areas they're better are either gimmicks or they are only marginally better, not several hundred dollars better.

Symphony0fLife said:
Glad to help!
I've never heard OnePlus call it an infinity display. And it's just a term Samsung uses. Yes, on Samsungs you have the display spilling over the edges. Some people like it, others don't. I don't. It has a horrible glare and it alters the picture on screen for the worse, not better. The edge display makes things look really weird on the Samsung phones. So I prefer the flat edges like the 5T has and that Samsung had on the S7 and below, with the Edge display being optional. The bezels on the OnePlus are slightly larger than on the Note 8 and the S8 but not by much and not enough to hinder the experience. It's still a 2:1 ration (or 18:9, however you like to say it). It's not quad HD, so right, no VR, but is the same ratio and looks gorgeous. It's hard to explain. Yes the resolution is lower, but it's not noticeable unless you really pixel peep. Quad HD isn't enabled by default on the S8, S8+ or Note 8 and you don't notice much difference when you enable it to be honest. Most people use their Samsungs on 1080p and don't even realize it. Most aren't tech freaks like us and don't even know you can turn it on.
Flash, I'm not sure what you mean about it not being as good? I already addressed photos above, the flash is fine and not noticeably different in every day use. 5T is not water resistant (even the Samsungs are not water PROOF) but OnePlus has stated it will stand up to splashes just fine. Unless you need to swim or shower with your phone, the 5T should be ok. Audio speaker is mono like the Samsung, but is louder than Samsung and sounds slightly better, though the Samsung has the edge if you use headphones. Headphone sound quality is slightly better with the Samsung. Speaker is better on the 5T.
Benchmarks, I don't know. But they don't mean anything real world either. Like the cameras, it's largely a marketing gimmick. Whatever single or multi core score it gets doesn't mean a thing when translated to actual use. But yeah, it kicks everything else's ass. But it should, being that it has the best specs in the industry for this year. So I don't know if they still fluff numbers, but whether they do or not they still win in the spec pissing contest.
Edit: Simplified, if you can get a 2017 flagship for less money than a 5T costs, or within $100 of the 5T for the Note, the S8+, the V30 or the Pixel 2/2XL, it's worth it to get the flagships. If it costs any more than that, they're not better "enough" to warrant spending the money and I'd go with the 5T. Because the only areas they're better are either gimmicks or they are only marginally better, not several hundred dollars better.
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Once again thank you so much. Last 2 queries can you please post a photo of the edges and a pic which shows all the bezels? I have a S7 and I get your point but it will be hard to explain to him. Second I was talking about the benchmark cheat in which opo was involved in, some senior members made a detailed thread about it, Google one plus one benchmark cheat XDA. Has anyone tested the 5t to find out the real benchmarks?

He just messaged me to ask you this, he will be getting a Gadgetshieldz protector for his 5t which is installed by soaking the protector in water mixed with detergent or some other chemical, since the phone is water resistant will there be any issues with the screen or any other component if the liquid goes inside the phone? Lastly is oneplus one guaranteeing software updates till 2 years?

Hey dude, let me give my 2 cents since I owned the note 8 and the 5T.
1. The 5T display is REALLY good. I'm the type of person that barely notice a difference between QHD and Full HD. As a matter of fact I'm using my note 8 on 1080 p cause I cannot tell the difference. Of course there is one but i barely see it. The point is the 5T display is excellent.
2. The 5T is insanely fast. OnePlus is known to have zippy software and it's very consistent throughout the UI. That is the last thing to worry about on the 5T, performance. It's absolutely stellar and it is amongst the fastest phone out there period. Whether it's an iPhone or pixel or whatever else, the 5T is top 3 hands down.
Now your friend has a note AND is getting a 5T as well? That is the absolute best combo to have besides having the note and an iPhone X. He is gonna love it and will be able to switch back and forth. Tell him to pull the trigger, the 5T is totally worth it.
I forgot to answer your questions about downsides of the phone. Well it doesn't have any IP ratings, it doesn't have wireless charging and the camera isn't the best. It's ok/good but definitely not great. The hardware is there but the software still needs some work (camera).
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He just messaged me to ask you this, he will be getting a Gadgetshieldz protector for his 5t which is installed by soaking the protector in water mixed with detergent or some other chemical, since the phone is water resistant will there be any issues with the screen or any other component if the liquid goes inside the phone? Lastly is oneplus one guaranteeing software updates till 2 years?
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I wouldn't worry about those screen protectors that you soak in water and apply on phones, it's made to be that way. Of course if you go crazy and purposely pour water in the headphone jack or USB x port then you'll have issues. But splashes here and there will be no issues. As far as updates, who knows. We know for sure Oreo is coming and most likely Android P but beyond that I haven't heard anything personally.
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Once again thank you so much. Last 2 queries can you please post a photo of the edges and a pic which shows all the bezels? I have a S7 and I get your point but it will be hard to explain to him. Second I was talking about the benchmark cheat in which opo was involved in, some senior members made a detailed thread about it, Google one plus one benchmark cheat XDA. Has anyone tested the 5t to find out the real benchmarks?
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The moment I get home and have both phones handy I will post some photos, sure. And again, the benchmark thing doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter if it scores 15,000 in Geekbench or whatever. What counts is real world use. For example, the iPhone scores spectacularly well in benchmarks and is a train wreck in day to day use. I sold my iPhone X already, but it was a jittery mess. Scores are high, but real world doesn't reflect that. Samsung scores pretty well too but again, real world it's a mess. Stutters and lags abound in Touchwiz. My Sony scored lower than my others and it is the smoothest performance hands down next to the 5T. If you're into benchmarks I'm sure you can find answers on here but I'm telling you, they're just for folks to "nerd out" on. They don't mean anything in the real world. But yes, OnePlus was caught fudging the numbers (why, I don't know since they are the king of specs anyway) but I am not sure if they still do.
As to the screen protector, as long as he doesn't submerge the phone he should be fine. But keep in mind - the Samsung is not water proof. It's water resistant. So water CAN damage it. The OnePlus is not rated as water resistant, but OnePlus says it's fine with things like splashes or rain drops. He's not going to hurt it using a wet application screen protector.
Updates - Who knows. Manufacturers always over promise on updates these days. They claim it'll be updated for a long time and they'll roll them out fast. OnePlus and Essential so far are hands down the best in terms of fast besides Google themselves, but OnePlus has dropped the ball on long term before. The 3 and 3T are getting Oreo, I'd imagine the 5 and 5T will get Oreo and the next major update at a minimum. Beyond that you'd have to ask them. I imagine many don't bother since people tend to upgrade every year or two but if you plan to use it for 2+ years you'd be best served to ask them. Though Samsung definitely won't be updating theirs fast and I doubt they'll get anything beyond what the 5T does either. Manufacturers want to sell phones. Not keep old phones running for years and years. 2 years is the outside for most manufacturers. Where you have a win on the OnePlus is the developer community. The bootloader is unlockable and you can install any ROM you want. With the specs it has the phone will be supported in some way for years and years, just potentially not by OnePlus themselves.

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Hey dude, let me give my 2 cents since I owned the note 8 and the 5T.
1. The 5T display is REALLY good. I'm the type of person that barely notice a difference between QHD and Full HD. As a matter of fact I'm using my note 8 on 1080 p cause I cannot tell the difference. Of course there is one but i barely see it. The point is the 5T display is excellent.
2. The 5T is insanely fast. OnePlus is known to have zippy software and it's very consistent throughout the UI. That is the last thing to worry about on the 5T, performance. It's absolutely stellar and it is amongst the fastest phone out there period. Whether it's an iPhone or pixel or whatever else, the 5T is top 3 hands down.
Now your friend has a note AND is getting a 5T as well? That is the absolute best combo to have besides having the note and an iPhone X. He is gonna love it and will be able to switch back and forth. Tell him to pull the trigger, the 5T is totally worth it.
I forgot to answer your questions about downsides of the phone. Well it doesn't have any IP ratings, it doesn't have wireless charging and the camera isn't the best. It's ok/good but definitely not great. The hardware is there but the software still needs some work (camera).
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I wouldn't worry about those screen protectors that you soak in water and apply on phones, it's made to be that way. Of course if you go crazy and purposely pour water in the headphone jack or USB x port then you'll have issues. But splashes here and there will be no issues. As far as updates, who knows. We know for sure Oreo is coming and most likely Android P but beyond that I haven't heard anything personally.
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Thank you to you too. Can you please post a photo is the screen sleeting the bezels? Are you using the 8gb variant?

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The moment I get home and have both phones handy I will post some photos, sure. And again, the benchmark thing doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter if it scores 15,000 in Geekbench or whatever. What counts is real world use. For example, the iPhone scores spectacularly well in benchmarks and is a train wreck in day to day use. I sold my iPhone X already, but it was a jittery mess. Scores are high, but real world doesn't reflect that. Samsung scores pretty well too but again, real world it's a mess. Stutters and lags abound in Touchwiz. My Sony scored lower than my others and it is the smoothest performance hands down next to the 5T. If you're into benchmarks I'm sure you can find answers on here but I'm telling you, they're just for folks to "nerd out" on. They don't mean anything in the real world. But yes, OnePlus was caught fudging the numbers (why, I don't know since they are the king of specs anyway) but I am not sure if they still do.
As to the screen protector, as long as he doesn't submerge the phone he should be fine. But keep in mind - the Samsung is not water proof. It's water resistant. So water CAN damage it. The OnePlus is not rated as water resistant, but OnePlus says it's fine with things like splashes or rain drops. He's not going to hurt it using a wet application screen protector.
Updates - Who knows. Manufacturers always over promise on updates. The 3 and 3T are getting Oreo, I'd imagine the 5 and 5T will get Oreo and the next major update at a minimum. Beyond that you'd have to ask them.
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Thanks a lot. Will wait for the photos.

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Thank you to you too. Can you please post a photo is the screen sleeting the bezels? Are you using the 8gb variant?
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I no longer have the 5T. Someone offered to trade me a note 8 factory unlocked brand new and I had to do it lol. The resale value is why and ultimately the note is the superior phone.
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I no longer have the 5T. Someone offered to trade me a note 8 factory unlocked brand new and I had to do it lol. The resale value is why and ultimately the note is the superior phone.
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Lol I would have done the same ...probably sell the note and get another one plus 5t or a a pixel....profit

Any good?
I have heard the One plus is the best phone, is it true? What about a comparison to the Iphone X?

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The moment I get home and have both phones handy I will post some photos, sure. And again, the benchmark thing doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter if it scores 15,000 in Geekbench or whatever. What counts is real world use. For example, the iPhone scores spectacularly well in benchmarks and is a train wreck in day to day use. I sold my iPhone X already, but it was a jittery mess. Scores are high, but real world doesn't reflect that. Samsung scores pretty well too but again, real world it's a mess. Stutters and lags abound in Touchwiz. My Sony scored lower than my others and it is the smoothest performance hands down next to the 5T. If you're into benchmarks I'm sure you can find answers on here but I'm telling you, they're just for folks to "nerd out" on. They don't mean anything in the real world. But yes, OnePlus was caught fudging the numbers (why, I don't know since they are the king of specs anyway) but I am not sure if they still do.
As to the screen protector, as long as he doesn't submerge the phone he should be fine. But keep in mind - the Samsung is not water proof. It's water resistant. So water CAN damage it. The OnePlus is not rated as water resistant, but OnePlus says it's fine with things like splashes or rain drops. He's not going to hurt it using a wet application screen protector.
Updates - Who knows. Manufacturers always over promise on updates these days. They claim it'll be updated for a long time and they'll roll them out fast. OnePlus and Essential so far are hands down the best in terms of fast besides Google themselves, but OnePlus has dropped the ball on long term before. The 3 and 3T are getting Oreo, I'd imagine the 5 and 5T will get Oreo and the next major update at a minimum. Beyond that you'd have to ask them. I imagine many don't bother since people tend to upgrade every year or two but if you plan to use it for 2+ years you'd be best served to ask them. Though Samsung definitely won't be updating theirs fast and I doubt they'll get anything beyond what the 5T does either. Manufacturers want to sell phones. Not keep old phones running for years and years. 2 years is the outside for most manufacturers. Where you have a win on the OnePlus is the developer community. The bootloader is unlockable and you can install any ROM you want. With the specs it has the phone will be supported in some way for years and years, just potentially not by OnePlus themselves.
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Waiting for the photos my dear. Is the warranty of opo taken care by oppo's service centers?

Just for a giggle, my last THREE phones cost less than my 5t. I bought all of them direct from China and they all exceeded my expectations. I kept the last one - a Xiaomi Redmi Note 2- for two years (unheard of for me!) and the only reason I've given up on it is because the power button is failing. To my amazement, in a side by side comparison, it holds up to the 5t pretty well, in particular having a screen with much more accurate colour saturation. Compared to that, is a 5t worth £499 Vs the £117 the Redmi Note 2 cost? Heck no! Do I like the 5t? Yep! Would I buy another if I dropped it tomorrow? Nope, I'd buy another cheap phone from China because they offer fantastic value for money

I talked my wife into buying the OnePlus 5T after months of listening to her complain about her Moto X Pure Edition and me having to constantly factory reset it (probably at least once a month to keep her happy). No idea what she was doing to the thing as i didn't have nearly as many problems with my MXPE, but regardless i finally talked her into buying a new phone. I hoped at the very least to alleviate myself from having to constantly listen to complaining about how slow it was, how it couldn't take a good picture to save its life (the pictures i can agree with, they were pretty horrible), and having to spend a couple hours backing up data, factory resetting, and restoring her photos and whatnot every month. She's really picky with phones and had her heart set on a Note 8 (especially after i picked up the GS8+ about a month or so ago for myself) but she was really turned off by the $900 price tag of the Note 8. She thinks that it's completely ridiculous to spend that much on a phone, which i agree with fully.
Thankfully she ended up listening to me and ordering the OP 5T. After she received her OP 5T and got it all set up, she fell in love with it. I i have messed with the phone quite a bit and first thing that hit me was that I immediately enjoyed the user experience. I had previously run custom ROMs on my MXPE and this phone is truly in a whole other league. The speed of it is incredible. It even makes my GS8+ seem like a slug at times. The software experience is really refreshing. Minimal changes to stock Android with the tweaks that are implemented done very seamlessly and with a purpose in mind. The screen, although it's "only" 1080p and not 1440p, is incredibly crisp in my opinion. I had it side by side with my GS8+ and honestly preferred the OP 5T's screen over my S8+'s. I'll also admit i do not like the curved screen on the S8+ at all so that may have something to do with my opinion on the OP 5T's screen quality. The cameras aren't quite on the same level as Samsung phones, or the pixel line for that matter, but they're by no means bad cameras. I've seen numerous reports that the cameras are terrible or that they simply don't take good pictures. I had my wife take a pretty good amount of photos over the last few days so that i could see the quality for myself and they honestly aren't anywhere close to being bad. They blow her previous phone out of the water (not that it's really difficult to do). All in all this phone IMO truly is a flagship caliber phone without the flagship price attached to it.
The only downsides that i have found so far -
1- It doesn't properly/fully support Verizon (i'm on StraightTalk but i use the Verizon towers/4G SIM) which means that i won't be switching to it
2- This is probably more of an Android problem honestly, but SmartLock doesn't work well/consistently on the OP 5T. There's a workaround floating around the internet to disable trusted agents in the fingerprint/security settings and that does work, but only temporarily. After a reboot it just stops working and sometimes even after using the workaround it stops working for seemingly no reason. Pretty frustrating for my wife when my GS8+ utilizes SmartLock perfectly. We're both hoping that this is addressed in a future software update
All in all though, this phone is a no brainer for $500. If you're on a service provider that utilizes GSM you just cant beat the price to performance ratio that this thing has. And that software experience, lawd have mercy is it good.

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One downside people talk about is the camera. Camera is a mixed bag. Honestly that side of marketing with smartphones is ridiculous. The Samsung has the edge, but that's all it is. There's not a smartphone out that can replace a DSLR and there's not a single one out that doesn't have noise or other issues in low light or when pixel peeping. Auto mode for auto mode in the same circumstances there's not enough of a difference to warrant the price hike either. Is it better on the Samsung devices? Yep. But only marginally in the real world. I can't count how many times I've shown people shots taken in identical conditions of identical subjects on all the phones I have and no one can get it right as to which took what shot. There's no clear winner and there's very little difference between them. People tend to just pick a bandwagon and hop on it. The differences come when you really play with pro mode and work to shoot with each phone's strength, but that's not real world use and that's entirely invalid for comparisons or determining which phone to buy. In real life people don't schedule shoots or wait for ideal lighting and conditions for their phone to pull it out and take a photo. That's what professionals do, and professionals don't use smartphones which are the equivalent of drug store disposable point and shoots. People in real life buy a phone they like and they pull it out in a split second on auto mode and snap a shot of the kids, the dogs or what have you.
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While I don't think any phone on the market claims to have a camera comparable to a DSLR, there is something to be said for having a capable camera and there are pretty significant differences in photo quality between a 5t and phones like the Note 8/Pixel 2/iPhone X when attempting to capture difficult shots, e.g. low-light, moving objects, etc. I was considering a 5t in addition to my Pixel 2 XL to fill my interest in modding, tweaking, flashing, etc since my Pixel 2 XL is locked. I played with my friend's 5t for a bit to specifically test out the camera and found it just can't keep up for my needs, and didn't leave me with a lot of confidence. When a camera performs poorly in specific situations, I'm less likely to use it. If most of my shots were of non-moving objects in broad daylight, the 5t would suffice. However, most of my shots are of my kids, who are very active and often in low light and indoor situations in addition to being outdoors in broad daylight. The best camera is the one you have on you and for capturing moments in my family's life, I wouldn't want that camera to be the one on the 5t.

billubakra said:
Hi,
My friend is planning to get a 5t along with his note 8. Few questions-
1. How is this phones screen as compared to note 8's screen, comparing them at max settings?
2. How smooth is the OS? He is skeptical about it since he is switching from stock android and touchwiz.
Any other down sides of this phone? I hope the screen is really an infinity display like the s8.
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Its worth the price. You can see comparisons on youtube... Its the best phone since they released op 3 period

sh4ne said:
The only downsides that i have found so far -
1- It doesn't properly/fully support Verizon (i'm on StraightTalk but i use the Verizon towers/4G SIM) which means that i won't be switching to it
2- This is probably more of an Android problem honestly, but SmartLock doesn't work well/consistently on the OP 5T. There's a workaround floating around the internet to disable trusted agents in the fingerprint/security settings and that does work, but only temporarily. After a reboot it just stops working and sometimes even after using the workaround it stops working for seemingly no reason. Pretty frustrating for my wife when my GS8+ utilizes SmartLock perfectly. We're both hoping that this is addressed in a future software update
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1. I was so glad to switch off Verizon earlier last year when I got my Pixel XL, to goto T-Mobile. I'm saving money, am on a network with the same speeds, and have the luxury of buying non-carrier phones.
2. I had this issue with SmartLock on OxygenOS as well. it was annoying, and they need to fix it. I switched to 8.1 AOSP firmware and all my problems went away. Oxygen was okay, but AOSP custome firmware always manages to be superior to stock firmwares.
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While I don't think any phone on the market claims to have a camera comparable to a DSLR, there is something to be said for having a capable camera and there are pretty significant differences in photo quality between a 5t and phones like the Note 8/Pixel 2/iPhone X when attempting to capture difficult shots, e.g. low-light, moving objects, etc. I was considering a 5t in addition to my Pixel 2 XL to fill my interest in modding, tweaking, flashing, etc since my Pixel 2 XL is locked. I played with my friend's 5t for a bit to specifically test out the camera and found it just can't keep up for my needs, and didn't leave me with a lot of confidence. When a camera performs poorly in specific situations, I'm less likely to use it. If most of my shots were of non-moving objects in broad daylight, the 5t would suffice. However, most of my shots are of my kids, who are very active and often in low light and indoor situations in addition to being outdoors in broad daylight. The best camera is the one you have on you and for capturing moments in my family's life, I wouldn't want that camera to be the one on the 5t.
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I'm the same as you, but with the screen and not the camera. I went to a Pixel 2 XL from a Pixel XL and found that I just couldn't use a phone with a poor screen. I had to dump it in favor of a good screen that wasn't curved and had an unlockable bootloader. The 5T fit the bill nicely and the camera is average, but then again I don't have kids.