Hi all, it appears that Mike Reid, the developer of the original FOSS Android Auto Head Unit app, has sadly passed away.
We are continuing the development in a new app, which we call the OpenHU Project. It stands for Open Head Unit.
Just want to address some one concern that some have already raised: OpenHU will continue to be fully open source under GPL, forever.
The only thing that may change is that we are trying to get permission from Mike Reid's family to relicense under GPLv2, as Mike had intended to permit those uses personally - and he obviously can't anymore.
Learn More: http://console.com.co/openhu/
Wiki: http://wiki.console.com.co/w/OpenHU
GitHub: https://github.com/iConsole/OpenHU
$10,000 Bounty Details: http://wiki.console.com.co/w/Console_Developer_Rewards
Finally - we are offering a $10,000 bounty, as the first full round of our Console Developer Rewards initiative. We had previously planned to focus on Android for x86, but Intel and Android were on troubled waters at the time... so we didn't fully launch it. In the wake of Mike's passing, we felt the best thing to do was focus on this effort.
As you may have heard, some recent changes to GMS (Google Play Services) broke Mike's app. But we are already hard at work, and you can win a portion (or all) of the $10,000 by helping us fix it!
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Reserved for future use...
Hi all, some good news, continuing from the old thread. Mike was persistently doing battle with a private Google file, libsslwrapper.so. It's part of GMS. As you can see in the source code for OpenHU, when searching for this file, Mike left several hooks for swapping in old versions, in order to A/B test.
By replacing that file with the old version (from GMS 9.0), it appears we can use OpenHU with GMS 9.2.56!
Unfortunately, this is only a partial fix, one Google could break at any time, so the bounty continues. We need to identify what broke with the latest changes.
But this is good news because we can isolate the problem to an SSL link between OpenSSL and the libsslwrapper.so file. Now, we need the community's help the most - because we don't have SSL engineers on-staff. Don't count on us to fix this, we need all-hands here.
Full instructions on how to swap libsslwrapper.so with the old version (via ADB, sans root) will be posted shortly.
How about instead of paying someone $10,000 for a future scam project you use that $10,000 to refund the backers you ripped off from your other scam you still haven't delivered on nearly 3 years later: Console OS.
You still have t-shirts and physical goods to deliver as well. You have $10,000 to throw around for this though.....
Truly a piece of work.
So this money is coming from the ConsoleOS funds? Did you know that the front page of android-x86.org calls you out as a scammer?
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We had previously planned to focus on Android for x86, but Intel and Android were on troubled waters at the time... so we didn't fully launch it.
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You did fully launch it. Twice. No one bit the first time because they knew better. You changed the submission date. Still no one bit. Oh, let me guess. It was yet another "soft launch"?
Also, where did the 10,000 dollars come from? You've said for months you've had no money to refund backers and you and your "team" had been living on less than minimum wage for a couple years now. You also said you could only afford refunds if you sold the rebranded Teclast hardware that you've announced but have provided zero details about so far. Wait...
"Similarly, we reserve the right to substitute devices, or provide refurbished devices if necessary for fulfillment."
There will be no cash. You'll give away old hardware and deduct the MSRP from the 10,000 cash promise. That's if you ever manage to give away anything at all.
I think anyone thinking about participating has to right to know explicitly where the money is coming from and please don't say "industry partners."
What's funny is your "continued development" of this project is the exact same thing you did with ConOS, grab code that someone else wrote, try to find other people to fix the issues for you, and then sell that for profit.
Intel and Android-x86 wrote Console OS' code, and now you're taking Mike Reid's code. Maybe you should stop taking other people's work and make something yourself. I mean, you have developers in Paris and a team to help you....right? Or is the extent of your "collective" coding knowledge changing names and lines on The GitHub?
But let's not kid ourselves. There is no team, no we. It's been you all along, just you.
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I've reopened this thread... but a word of advice.
Please keep things on-topic and civil here because I don't want to have to return for cleanups or the like.
Also, I've left the recent posts in the thread but I don't want such posts continuing... You've had your say so now leave it alone.
Thanks.
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I will respect the moderators and only focus on OpenHU in this thread. Please leave it there, thanks, this is not an appropriate place to discuss Console OS.
We did not "take" any code from Intel, it was licensed fully. Similarly, Console was working with Mike Reid up to the day he went to hospital. All this code in this project is licensed under GPL. OpenHU will remain under GPL. Period. You cannot steal GPL code if you use it under GPL.
As to the terms of CDR, we never even launched a bounty previously. The claims above that we did, are false. We halted such efforts after Intel informed us Android on IA may be halted. See the OP for a true/correct history. We will pay every penny of Console Developer Rewards, and it will be pretty darn clear if we don't.
We stated in the revision history that we are using cash only based on feedback - there will be no gadget giveaways (in this round, though as stated - future CDR rounds may use gadget rewards).
But again, this thread is for OpenHU. If you want to try and save the late Mike Reid's work, please contribute. If not, please leave.
As to the terms of CDR, we never even launched a bounty previously. The claims above that we did, are false. We halted such efforts after Intel informed us Android on IA may be halted.
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Funny.
From the December 25, 2015 Update:
Shortly after our Kickstarter ended, Intel suspended development of Android-IA for Intel Core processors. Later it extended this to all PC tablets as well. You will notice that Android-IA on Intel’s web site today only supports Minnowboard MAX - an IoT innovation board.
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and the title of the next update: Coming Next Month: Console Developer Rewards (on Jan 2, 2016)
and the one after that: Console Developer Rewards - The Details... Followed by Lollipop! (March 1, 2016) where:
Our first cycle for Console Developer Rewards will roll out publicly from March 2 to 31. When it does go live (on the 2nd), it will be available at Console.com.co/devrewards
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Sorry, I'm not going to engage. We never launched Console Developer Rewards. The first planned run March 1 was halted (and never introduced) due to Intel briefing us that they were planning to make major changes to their Android FOSS support. See: http://console.com.co/thoughts-on-chips/
We never offered any developer bounties prior to this one. No developer submitted code to us previously, with an expectation of being paid. This is our first go of it, and we'll pull out our credit cards to pay for it if need be. We want Mike's hard work to continue.
This is our first actual campaign for CDR. If you want to help save Mike Reid's work, contribute to that topic. All other topics are off-topic, and moderators have stated are prohibited. Please leave it there, thanks.
Christopher Price said:
As to the terms of CDR, we never even launched a bounty previously. The claims above that we did, are false. We halted such efforts after Intel informed us Android on IA may be halted.
We stated in the revision history that we are using cash only based on feedback - there will be no gadget giveaways (in this round, though as stated - future CDR rounds may use gadget rewards).
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No one claimed you launched a "bounty" specifically. You're playing semantics. We said you launched Console Developer Rewards, the program itself. You claimed you didn't launch the program itself fully and asuka has already posted the links that prove you did.
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The first planned run March 1 was halted (and never introduced) due to Intel briefing us that they were planning to make major changes to their Android FOSS support.
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Liar. "The first 30-day cycle of Console Developer Rewards will run March 21 through April 20. "
Quoted from: http://console.com.co/devrewards/
Why was it pushed back? From your own update:
"We met our self-imposted timetable to post terms, but we didn't give people enough time for feedback, and to properly inform the projects we plan to support.
We're moving back the first month of Console Developer Rewards to March 21, a week from today. This will give us time to have everything in-place and do it correctly."
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We stated in the revision history that we are using cash only based on feedback - there will be no gadget giveaways (in this round, though as stated - future CDR rounds may use gadget rewards).
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If you don't wanna discuss Console, fine. This project: your own page for the bounty of THIS project that YOU link to doesn't say this round is cash only. It says what I pasted, that gadgets can be substituted for cash, and the rules can change, at any time. But if you do want to use cash for THIS program (we're remaining on topic), again I ask, where is it coming from? You conveniently didn't address that at all in your reply.
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But if you do want to use cash for THIS program (we're remaining on topic), again I ask, where is it coming from? You conveniently didn't address that at all in your reply.
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This is our first go of it, and we'll pull out our credit cards to pay for it if need be. We want Mike's hard work to continue.
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Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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And this would a different pocket from the one that the ConsoleOS funds went into
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Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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Hey, why don't you be a man and take that same $10,000 to refund the couple thousand Kickstarter backers you shafted?
Or better yet, take that $10,000 and deliver the physical rewards you promised. Remember this post you made on May 13?: https://twitter.com/iConsole/status/731224776815992832
"Finally slaying spam demons is just one of the things we've checked off this week. Next up, perk shipments for #ConsoleOS. Then new stuff!"
That's almost 2 months ago. You still need to fulfill your campaign obligations before beginning another vaporware project of yours.
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And this would a different pocket from the one that the ConsoleOS funds went into
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PM me with your Kickstarter ID and I will investigate. Our last update made clear that our pivot to hardware will extend refund options to KS backers - or give them a credit towards our upcoming hardware.
We've committed to refunding people on Console OS. What more do you want?
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Ahem, asked and answered. I'm putting up the bounty money out of my own pocket.
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Out your own pocket...."if need be". So you post a 10,000 dollar bounty and only to reveal after being asked that you don't actually have it and will maybe have to put it on a credit card?
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Out your own pocket...."if need be". So you post a 10,000 dollar bounty and only to reveal after being asked that you don't actually have it and will maybe have to put it on a credit card?
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I don't see the point of the animus here. If Console can't come up with the money over the next 90 days, I'm personally promising to pull it off a credit card and back it myself.
That's not Kickstarter backer money, and we've offered to refund backers in our June 1 update. Edit: See our June 1 update if you are a backer - https://www.kickstarter.com/project...t-android-remastered-for-the-pc/posts/1592356
No KS funds from Console OS are being used here, period.
Please respect moderators wishes that discussion related to Console OS end with that. This is totally derailing the effort to salvage Mike's app... and if you think you can do better, please do.
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I don't see the point of the animus here. If Console can't come up with the money over the next 90 days, I'm personally promising to pull it off a credit card and back it myself.
That's not Kickstarter backer money, and we've offered to refund backers in our June 1 update.
No KS funds from Console OS are being used here, period.
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Questions about the money are on topic. Now here is the problem. The problem is you're asking people to do work with zero guarantee of payment. You've just admitted you don't have the money. They're supposed to go off your promise, given your history? Again, your own page says you don't have to give them any money at all. You can substitute hardware at any time.
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The problem is you're asking people to do work with zero guarantee of payment. You've just admitted you don't have the money. They're supposed to go off your promise, given your history? Again, your own page says you don't have to give them any money at all. You can substitute hardware at any time.
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Sorry. I'm trying to save this app. I will keep trying. If you don't consider it a trustworthy offer, that's up to you. I'm putting a personal guarantee on payment for code submitted within the time period stated on the CDR page for OpenHU (June 24 to August 31). Edit: Provided it actually fixes the issue - I hope the terms of the bounty are pretty clear.
We did have to put some legal terms in there, this is being run by a company. It is to a degree, arbitrary. It's FOSS code, and we are committing to paying in cash for this initial round. The gadget legalese was written prior. This round will be paid in cash.
If you have a better idea for reviving Mike Reid's app - please provide it. I welcome a better effort.
Related
I've been seeing a lot more interest lately from the XDA community regarding Azure and figure it is worth starting a thread to try to answer some basic questions.
First, I'll be up front with everyone...BizSpark is my day job, I work for Microsoft and technology evangelism is my passion. I can think of few things more exciting than what the Cloud is going to bring to the market through mobile device in the next few years. We know who's going to be on the front lines of driving this innovation: you are. So let's answer those questions:
How does someone get Azure for free through BizSpark?
Sign up for a BizSpark account hereThis is the updated site that offers information: BizSpark Azure.
Deal is, you sign up for the introductory offer (free), set your subscription to (not “Auto Renew”), and then after 16 months sign up for the BizSpark Azure (Again, free) for the end of your agreement.
Who qualifies?
Yes, there are qualifications, but pretty much anyone who cares enough about software development to be reading this sub-forumon XDA will qualify. If you are actively developing software, you aren't developing this project for a publicly traded company, your project/startup is less than three years old and is making less than US $1M annually, you qualify. That simple.
What other products can I get?
BizSpark pretty much gives you a premier MSDN account for three years, so if it is on MSDN, you can use it. Dfinitly everything you car about: Visual Studio, all of the Expressions products, etc.
Many products have stipulations that they be used for development purposes only, but Azure, Server, SQL, etc can be used in production, meaning you can go live, host your product and try to make some money with it.
Can I get a free AppHub developer account, too?
No, but there's always hope...
Why is Microsoft giving their stuff away for free?
Because there should be no excuses for startup developers to not have access to the best software development tools on the planet.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or send me an email through the board.
I thought this could be a cool idea so I applied, and got denied about 6 hours later. The email told me I do not qualify and to look into Dreamspark or a MSDN account.
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I thought this could be a cool idea so I applied, and got denied about 6 hours later. The email told me I do not qualify and to look into Dreamspark or a MSDN account.
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let me try and see...
I applied, but...my company is older than three years, but has only done software dev for one year. Hopefully I'll be allowed in, but not holding my breath. Might actually still be cheaper to create a new company and apply via that
Anyone having problems, contact me directly:
kenikh at microsoft dot com
Cheers! Will do
For those weary about bizspark, it is a great thing for start ups. There are other things that come with it... not just free software. I am glad someone from MSFT is here to talk about it. You do need to be less than 3 years old and make less than a million dollars in revenue in a year -- which is always the case for most startups.
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Sign up for a BizSpark account hereThis is the updated site that offers information: BizSpark Azure.
Deal is, you sign up for the introductory offer (free), set your subscription to (not “Auto Renew”), and then after 16 months sign up for the BizSpark Azure (Again, free) for the end of your agreement.
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BizSpark Azure link is broken
BizSpark site is temporarily down
will try whe it goes live again
I thought it was the project OR company
"your project/startup is less than three years old "
I'll give it a try anyway.
Thanks for the info.
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Didn't qualify. They didn't say why, but my company is older than 3 years.
Too bad, so sad, back to work!
Oh yea, Shout out to the XDA community. I've enjoyed lurking her for years now. Lots of beautiful things and creative ideas. Thanks so very much!!!
Site is up: http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/
I've been slow to reply to PMs, but will try to get through the backlog today.
Giving it a try now. I'm hardly a "company" or "start-up", but I write software and have a couple of projects that I would like to begin working with .Net for. Also, the idea of a premier MSDN account is a nice idea. It's like high school all over again, just trying to get some acceptance .
giving it a try now, this would be sweet considering I am developing a word search game.
Signed up yesterday, and PM sent. This would be fantastic.
kenikh said:
Anyone having problems, contact me directly:
kenikh at microsoft dot com
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Hope you can help.
All emails replied to
dougthug said:
Giving it a try now. I'm hardly a "company" or "start-up", but I write software and have a couple of projects that I would like to begin working with .Net for. Also, the idea of a premier MSDN account is a nice idea. It's like high school all over again, just trying to get some acceptance .
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It's better than high school, I just got my acceptance email this morning. I'm all signed up and rocking. Good lookin' out. I appreciate the heads up. Now to code something .
Thank you for sharing this with the community. I applied for an account and recieved a reply back saying that I did not meet all the eligibility requirments at this time.
I am 4ever gratefull! This will help ALOT!
Got accepted just finishing configuring my push notifications server in the cloud!
Really amazing offer thanks for pointing me to it and the help via email very very very much appreciated
Nokia just gave 25k Lumia 800's to registered developers with them, ordered mine last night. I imagine some of the people here in the running would have been registered?
Nokia Lumia Live ft. deadmau5 lights up London with amazing 4D projection
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Nokia just gave 25k Lumia 800's to registered developers with them, ordered mine last night. I imagine some of the people here in the running would have been registered?
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This is very intresting! Where can I register to be a Nokia Developer?
I know that the Nokia Lumina 800 & 710 are just 2 of menny great Devices Nokia plans on releseing Running the WP7 OS.
The best devices are yet to come!
I entered 2 of there giveaways on facebook but did'nt win =(
I did'nt know about any developer giveaways. That is realy cool That thay are taking care of there developers like that!
Along with the show in London & all the other promo's Nokia is just amazing
The heck outa me right now! that show in London was Wonderful!
I am no recognised developer hear much like alot of the other developers who have entered the contest but hopefully I will still be consitered.
I can dream another day anyway!
Hopefuly this is a good link to post. just incase you guys missed it.
Enjoy...
Nokia Lumia Live ft. deadmau5 lights up London with amazing 4D projection
http://youtu.be/SX2Gd-kqV5s
Please dont coment on this as I am not trying to derail the thread just wanted to share the Awesomeness!
Where did you see that ?!
ebay
should be chock full of nokias very soon, this is good news for folks looking for a deal !
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should be chock full of nokias very soon, this is good news for folks looking for a deal !
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I've been looking for weeks. I'm ready now.
Guys, if you weren't registered as a Nokia developer before October 26th, forget about it. That is one of the requirements to receive a free phone.
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I've been looking for weeks. I'm ready now.
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Give it a few days after they're delivered. Devs always sell the freebies after ces/macworld/whatever and enjoy the nice ca$h bonus for christmas or a new phone of their preference.
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Nokia just gave 25k Lumia 800's to registered developers with them, ordered mine last night. I imagine some of the people here in the running would have been registered?
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Im waiting on mines also. I ordered the same day as you and wondering if Nokia changed your shipping status yet?
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Im waiting on mines also. I ordered the same day as you and wondering if Nokia changed your shipping status yet?
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Status is still the same, I sent the DDP an email earlier today so I'll let you know what they say if there has been a delay or something.
Also to those interested in joining their program the link is here: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml
As a member of Nokia Developer Launchpad, you will receive additional benefits like:
Early and exclusive access to e.g. technical information and materials on upcoming technologies.
Two free technical support cases pushed to your account when the membership is activated.
Company members have access to the Device Distribution to purchase Nokia devices at discount for development and testing purposes.
Get invited to key regional and global Nokia events and trainings.
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Keep in mind for this specific give away you had to be registered since at least May to be eligible. I personally joined as soon as I saw the announcement MS scooped them up and they were going WP7.
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Give it a few days after they're delivered. Devs always sell the freebies after ces/macworld/whatever and enjoy the nice ca$h bonus for christmas or a new phone of their preference.
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Ready and waiting for some to pop up. Money is just sitting. The trick is to find one for a resonable price.
i have one...
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Im waiting on mines also. I ordered the same day as you and wondering if Nokia changed your shipping status yet?
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Got a response from DDP earlier today:
thanks for your email.
Please note the delivery time is estimated to be around two weeks at the moment.
We have huge number of orders to process and this is the time of public holidays too.
Please be patient, you will be notified once the device is ready to dispatch.
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Looks like we wont have to wait much longer than that.
Just a quick word. people that order the free devices are supposed to give it proper use. Specifically, this particular program is aimed at giving Nokia developers the opportunity to migrate of create new apps for Windows Phone.
If you are not interested to keep the device and do just that, then you are basically taking advantage of a situation that can create a precedence to the point that Nokia may stop making such offerings in the future. I'm not an affiliate from Nokia or work for them btw.
The best way to show Nokia that it is good investment to continue to deliver free or discounted devices to developers is to actually do what you have set to do when you pressed the order button.
Also you should check if you are not in violation of your agreement when you ordered the device. I dont have any idea if its allowed or not to resell the device. I would be surprised if it is.
My 2 cents.
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Just a quick word. people that order the free devices are supposed to give it proper use. Specifically, this particular program is aimed at giving Nokia developers the opportunity to migrate of create new apps for Windows Phone.
If you are not interested to keep the device and do just that, then you are basically taking advantage of a situation that can create a precedence to the point that Nokia may stop making such offerings in the future. I'm not an affiliate from Nokia or work for them btw.
The best way to show Nokia that it is good investment to continue to deliver free or discounted devices to developers is to actually do what you have set to do when you pressed the order button.
Also you should check if you are not in violation of your agreement when you ordered the device. I dont have any idea if its allowed or not to resell the device. I would be surprised if it is.
My 2 cents.
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I know people have posted that they want to buy them, I don't know if anyone talked about selling theirs(from the program). I personally am signed up as a developer because I am, and that is just what this phone is going to be used for. I am developing cross-platform applications to broaden my targetable client base so getting a free phone to test on is a god send because I don't actually have the funds to purchase my own.
In any case I do agree with what you said.
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Just a quick word. people that order the free devices are supposed to give it proper use. Specifically, this particular program is aimed at giving Nokia developers the opportunity to migrate of create new apps for Windows Phone.
If you are not interested to keep the device and do just that, then you are basically taking advantage of a situation that can create a precedence to the point that Nokia may stop making such offerings in the future. I'm not an affiliate from Nokia or work for them btw.
The best way to show Nokia that it is good investment to continue to deliver free or discounted devices to developers is to actually do what you have set to do when you pressed the order button.
Also you should check if you are not in violation of your agreement when you ordered the device. I dont have any idea if its allowed or not to resell the device. I would be surprised if it is.
My 2 cents.
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When Microsoft handed me and Lumia 800 "for free" they basically wrote on the contract: "loan for 2 years" and that it shall be returned after that which would prevent me from selling it if I ever wanted. Probably something similar for you guys.
Like you said as well; Nokia is showing a lot of good-will and wants to get WP7 off the ground so it would be sad if some of the "devs" would try abusing it.
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When Microsoft handed me and Lumia 800 "for free" they basically wrote on the contract: "loan for 2 years" and that it shall be returned after that which would prevent me from selling it if I ever wanted. Probably something similar for you guys.
Like you said as well; Nokia is showing a lot of good-will and wants to get WP7 off the ground so it would be sad if some of the "devs" would try abusing it.
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Didn't realize nokia had a contract with the devs in order to receive the free phone. Are there NDA's involved too ? Is a credit card involed or is this tied to the devs payout account from the market (app sales) in any way ?
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Didn't realize nokia had a contract with the devs in order to receive the free phone. Are there NDA's involved too ? Is a credit card involed or is this tied to the devs payout account from the market (app sales) in any way ?
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Honestly I have no clue, I got my phone through a Microsoft programme as part of a deal that whomever managed to get 3 certified apps on the market within a month were to recieve a new Lumia 800. I had to sign a 2-paged contract and the relevant point in it was that you "borrowed it" and wasn't allowed to sell it on.
Nokia might want to protect themselves as well and not just giving out free money to some people, one way is to have a contract that screws over any dev if they sell it.
Just a quick reminder to everyone, any transactions that take place through XDA must happen in the Marketplace forum in a Public thread. This is one thing that is strictly enforced and is for the protection of both parties, as well as XDA.
Please read the Marketplace Rules and then check out the XDA Marketplace if you are looking to buy or sell a device.
Has anyone else that was in on this gotten theirs shipped yet? It's been a little over 2 weeks since they told me 2 weeks but still sitting at 'new order'.
Looks like I spoke too soon! just got my shipping notification, its being sent from TURKU - FINLAND. On another note I looked over the agreement for getting the phone and it looks as if it is treated just as I purchased the phone myself so resale is ok, I still however plan to use the phone for dev.
for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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I think that XDA provide us with a great place to come and learn and share our knowledge. In order to achive this their is going to be costs and if they can make some extra money from selling a book. To then use the said money to make this service even better, i can only see it as a good thing. Also a lot of people find it easier to read from a book than a computer screen.
Edit - I have just read the portal artical, and all the profits are going to the EFF, although the money is not going directly into XDA, it will directly help and benifit XDA, as they have done in the past.
All revenue earned through purchases of the book on Amazon will be donated to the EFF, which has given assistance to members of our community in the past. It’s available in both physical and eBook formats. Without further ado, here’s where you can get it right now:
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Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
conantroutman said:
Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
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Yes the profits are going to a very good cause. And to be honest with you I don't have any problem spending the $23 USD plus tax for the book. I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. But you just can not please all of the people no matter how hard you try.
I ordered mine in October, 2011. After many delays (like the Galaxy S3) I received my copy from amazon on Tuesday. I will use this weekend to read it. Learn some pointers.
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, another good reason to go to the portal besides when the forums are down for maintenance.
svetius said:
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, i will keep an eye out for that, stay at home dad = Poor
Good things come at a price..'nuff said.
Hi guys,
I have received multiple requests to support and create rom's and firmware guides for the M8 (and other phones but the M8 was the top requested).
Background: As many of you may know, I make stock based rom's and guides to simplify things for new and advanced users alike. It's all about information consolidation while keeping things up to date. I currently support the N5 and the HTC One M7.
After doing this for a few years now... I have come to realize that people really appreciate this unfortunately, I cannot support some devices (or only support them in a very limited manner) since I do not have the hardware to work with. My philosophy is not to post anything unless it has been tried and tested thoroughly by me - this makes sure that everything works!
All this led to idea the idea I had for Project-DroidSourced
It's pretty simple:
- The community pitches in (kickstarter-like) to collect funds for the device they want supported
- We purchase the device using the crowd sourced funds - all receipts and pictures of bought items will be shared publicly
- The purchased device is used as the testing bed for rom, firmwares, bootloader unlocks or guides (depending on what is being developed/supported)
- Finally, the device is GIVEN AWAY back to the community as a raffle/contest after a period of time (likely near the end of the device's yearly cycle).
Note:
- I am not doing this for any monetary gain myself. I do not accept "donations" for what I do - knowledge should be free and should be shared.
- This is just an idea I had seeing a large community interest from my previous work - no need to take anything negatively.
This is the first place I am sharing this idea - and the M8 will be the first device in this program if there is interest/uptake.
Feel free to ask any questions or share ideas.
Thanks
Where I think it could work, but you'd have to have like 1 master paypal account [one you create] in this scenario.
Secondly, you'd have to keep a book, xcel sheet, to basically keep tabs on the money supported, and then tell people, when you spend their funds, to what device it went to. It'd be a self kept treasury log. Additionally, perhaps use a public google drive file so it can be viewed at any time. I say view only so it isn't tampered with, but the transparency is there. Then again, that part would have to voted on as people may not want their names | contributions, even if by xda name.
Lastly, you'd have to figure a way to give it away randomly, or give the device randomly to the people's funds that went towards that particular device.
It's not a bad idea, but with the above, I think it could be managed correctly.
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Where I think it could work, but you'd have to have like 1 master paypal account [one you create] in this scenario.
Secondly, you'd have to keep a book, xcel sheet, to basically keep tabs on the money supported, and then tell people, when you spend their funds, to what device it went to. It'd be a self kept treasury log.
Lastly, you'd have to figure a way to give it away randomly, or give the device randomly to the people's funds that went towards that particular device.
It's not a bad idea, but with the above, I think it could be managed correctly.
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Agreed with all those comments. Each supported device would have an upper donation limit and would be it's own sub project.
A public excel sheet with donation amounts/users would also be setup. I want to keep things transparent.
I am also thinking of building a team for this so we can cover a larger range of devices also could lead to a ROM series
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Agreed with all those comments. Each supported device would have an upper donation limit and would be it's own sub project.
A public excel sheet with donation amounts/users would also be setup. I want to keep things transparent.
I am also thinking of building a team for this so we can cover a larger range of devices
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Well, when you say upper limit, I think it should be explicitly stated that it'd be a tiered system [regarding 'eligibility' for raffle device]. Cause i could see some quick mutinies when a guy who gave 1$ gets a device and a guy who gave 50$ didn't get anything. Again, not saying it's shady, but just to clear up front.
Regarding teams, I think that would be required, but a dev team member shouldn't be entered to win the same device they work on, cause it may same they are getting special treatment.
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Well, when you say upper limit, I think it should be explicitly stated that it'd be a tiered system [regarding 'eligibility' for raffle device]. Cause i could see some quick mutinies when a guy who gave 1$ gets a device and a guy who gave 50$ didn't get anything. Again, not saying it's shady, but just to clear up front.
Regarding teams, I think that would be required, but a dev team member shouldn't be entered to win the same device they work on, cause it may same they are getting special treatment.
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Yes, all great points. Noted and agreed.
What I meant by upper limit was the total amount donated (to cover the device). Users are free to donate as they see fit.
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Yes, all great points. Noted and agreed.
What I meant by upper limit was the total amount donated (to cover the device). Users are free to donate as they see fit.
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Ah well of course.
Though i think you could treat the pot as a 2 for 1:
- [some] people will donate to a specific device, which their funds will go towards it
- others will donate just blindly, not caring; they get notified prior to, to take care of the remaining funds
That way you'd be almost guaranteed every device could be funded, and all relevant parties viable to get it.
Also, i'm heading out; I'll be back later when it's not now. Take care
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I think its a great idea. There's nothing more comforting than seeing your new phone now has a ROM developed by somebody you've come to trust. If I bought a phone and saw the right developers (including you) asking for money to buy a dev device to speed up the development process, I'd definitely be willing to send $10/$20 dollars to ensure my new phone has quality support. Thirty guys per phone agree in principle at $20 a piece, that's $600 that can buy the phone to start development.
I'd suggest getting flar2 to mirror his ElementalX kernel to any ROM you develop by also raising enough money for him to support the phone as well. This is just my opinion for kernel support. Many android users like kernel options, especially stable options.
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Or.... I'll trade my m8 for your n5. Come on. You don't want that thing anymore Then everyone is happy!
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Great idea Vomer, I would support :good:
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A good idea but currently I have a device which you supports but I can help this team in funding ...
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I think its a great idea. There's nothing more comforting than seeing your new phone now has a ROM developed by somebody you've come to trust. If I bought a phone and saw the right developers (including you) asking for money to buy a dev device to speed up the development process, I'd definitely be willing to send $10/$20 dollars to ensure my new phone has quality support. Thirty guys per phone agree in principle at $20 a piece, that's $600 that can buy the phone to start development.
I'd suggest getting flar2 to mirror his ElementalX kernel to any ROM you develop by also raising enough money for him to support the phone as well. This is just my opinion for kernel support. Many android users like kernel options, especially stable options.
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Thanks for the input Yes, I agree that having a few developers and knowledge consolidators on board will help - but it's also up to them if they want to join.
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Or.... I'll trade my m8 for your n5. Come on. You don't want that thing anymore Then everyone is happy!
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But then how will I support my N5 buddies?
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Great idea Vomer, I would support :good:
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Thank you
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A good idea but currently I have a device which you supports but I can help this team in funding ...
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Thanks I wanted to gauge feedback first to see what people think. I do not want people to think that this is a pay for service type thing - it's more for a development device and reaching a standard of information delivery
Update:
I did notice some users pledging, but didn't realized we actually got something going on, I'll be updating with an estimated pledge sum, I'm not naming individuals but at least summarizing this, the ball is rolling and hopefully the purpose of this (which is attract developers in a good, respectful and rewarding way) will pay off!
Dear Fire Phone owners:
We are looking very disorganized and scattered on efforts, we also have GOOD but limited dev support due to the quantity of Fire Phone owners and so the quantity of them that actually visit XDA is even lower.
So let's join efforts, I see @madushan1000 doing effort to unlock the bootloader and willing to blow his own qfuses for it, on his hard earned money.
If you know a developer, or are a developer, we must seek answer for the following answers:
1.- How many phones do you need to play around until you blow up the right qfuse?
(If the answer is n <= 10, I don't see why we can't all join a bounty *paid upfront* for that developer to buy the damn 10 phones ~$1350 dlls, if he gets it done on the first attempt, he deserves the remaining hard earned money solely for rewarding, and even more.)
2.- Is there any exploitable bug on the qcom trustzone that can at least trick into thinking the phone is unlocked? What would be needed to do so?
(If all that's required is a time and effort to do it, I don't see why we can pledge on a *serious* bounty and paid the developer $1000 dlls when done, if he is a reputed developer and has evidence or prior work, I don't even see why we can't paid upfront either.)
3.- Are you interested in a bounty for fixing the camera code on the existing CM11 rom? What would be the required incentive for it? (can you do it @ggow, @madushan1000?)
We should be able to brainstorm and just think in joining efforts, even if my questions or ideas are the wrong ones, hell! then just tell everyone out loud which idea or process is the right one! Let's work together people!
I just saw 13,000 fire phones sold in Ebay, what the hell?, 1000 fire phone owners that visit XDA can't pledge $1000 dlls?
If this is seriously not doable I will just delete the post right away, but let's at least seek some developers and show them we can organize a good offer, we might find some interesting results.
I will pitch in for an unlock. Not sure of amount until it happens.
The Fire Phones on ebay are still going for over a 100 each. With the new tablets announced today and as people forget the fire phone, the price should drop VERY soon... I hope. I would love to pick up a spare.
Got mine on eBay on $57.50, i hope devs can unlock the bootloader fix the camera and the NFC
Wow, I'm glad to see something like this going on. But I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to do any serious work until next month or so. My final exams coming up. And next I have to find a job.
Anyway, I'm working on a kexec module my spare time, Provided that it works, We can start developing a boodloader unlock. People with already bricked phones might be able to help too by trying to unbrick their phones following something like this http://www.androidbrick.com/ultimate-qualcomm-snapdragon-unbrick-guide-snapdragons-are-unbrickable/ . If someone finds a working method it would help very much for the development.
As per hal issues I proposed to have tow sets of libraries on the rom to bypass the amazon liblog.so issues. May be @ggow is working on it? I don't have to proper knowledge about android build system to do it, or the resources.
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Wow, I'm glad to see something like this going on. But I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to do any serious work until next month or so. My final exams coming up. And next I have to find a job.
Anyway, I'm working on a kexec module my spare time, Provided that it works, We can start developing a boodloader unlock. People with already bricked phones might be able to help too by trying to unbrick their phones following something like this http://www.androidbrick.com/ultimate-qualcomm-snapdragon-unbrick-guide-snapdragons-are-unbrickable/ . If someone finds a working method it would help very much for the development.
As per hal issues I proposed to have tow sets of libraries on the rom to bypass the amazon liblog.so issues. May be @ggow is working on it? I don't have to proper knowledge about android build system to do it, or the resources.
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- Bypassing the liblog issues unfortunately is only one part of the problem - that in itself is tricky to do. A mega amount of changes required to the android stack.
- The camera issues require the HAL source code from Amazon or they need to be written from scratch.
- I am currently looking into what can be done about the camera. I have started looking at the binaries to see if they can be patched.
- I have also been studying the bootloaders, @madushan1000 I'll message you separately when I have a spare moment.
Thanks, I'll try to help you with the hal stuff in the future.
We should see a flood of people joining this forum due the eBay sales. 120 plus a year of prime was what made me buy. I'd pitch in a bit if it were unlocked. After tax and shipping, the phone has only cost me $31. Better than a Windows phone as a spare I would surmise even without seeing my package delivered yet.. Should be here any minute from USPS.
And I'm still driving this to get more people to say I'm up with $XX for the bounty, seriously no one was replied with a quantity WTF?
If anyone is reading this and still doesn't understand, a "bounty" is to get your offering of money for our developers @madushan1000 and @ggow for helping us get our Fire Phones with an unlocked bootloader or with a decent camera on CM11
Example: I'm in with $30 for the bounty
count me on $20 for bootloader unlock
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I needed prime and a phone and made an impulse decision I immediately regretted after I learned there is a locked bootloader. Put me in for 20.
Also, I have a small coffee roasting shop and if either of you devs are coffee drinkers send me a pm me and I'll ship you some good stuff. That's not a bounty, it is an effort to increase productivity.
I'm in for $20 if somebody can handle this. I'd like to have a solid phone to hack on that's not my main.
I pledge 20.00 US dollars to this.
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I'll pledge 100 for an unlock bootloader.
I will throw in $20
I through in 30$ i am looking forward to it ?
I will throw in a new phone with prime and $100.
i will throw in $20 and been waiting for it
I would give another $20. It looks like Amazon has no plans for it. I emailed them a few days ago:
" Hi,
I understand that you want us to provide the steps to Unlock the bootloader for your Fire Phone device.
I'd like to bring to your kind attention that unlocking your phone’s bootloader will cause you to lose all the data from your phone and voids your phone's warranty. That is the reason why currently we don't have plans of releasing a bootloader unlock for the fire phone.
However, I've forwarded your message to our development team for consideration as we make further improvements. Customer feedback like yours is very important in helping us improve the Fire phone experience."