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well now that windows mobile 7 is coming out there wont be anything left fot the old phones (softwares -rom develpment - ect...) i was extremely happy when i heard its coming but i was extremly pissed when i found out it will have a diffrent installing system no more cabs . i have a a blue angel (imate pda2k) and this is why i hate the new windows 7
what do u guys think
Im the same mate, seems very iphoney,.......... can see everyone switching to android or buying windows 7 phones and installing 6.5 on them (like people where doing with xp when vista came out)
8 posts and already pissed? And the no cab installation thing is nowhere confirmed so far!
I think the lack of backwards compatability is overblown. It was time for MS to change their entire structure and get back to developing software...which HTC has been doing for them for the last few years. Here's a longer posting I did on it earlier: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/windows-phone-7-is-leap-forward/
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.
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Windows Embedded CE 6.0 features a completely redesigned kernel, which supports over 32,768 processes, up from 32 process support of the previous versions. Each process receives 2GB of virtual address space, up from 32MB.
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So what? It doesn't matter one bit how many trillions of processes the OS supports, when third party developers are not allowed to make their applications run in the background!
The way things are going with Windows Mobile 7, I can't see it lasting as a platform.
I understand why Microsoft wants to do this. The real money is in the marketplace, like how Apple is doing it. The problem is, the iPhone is a success not just for it's features or UI, but because it's an Apple product.
For example, there's been way better players then iPod, but people bought it for the status symbol it gives. Just like the iPhone.
If Windows Phone 7 isn't as open as Windows Mobile 6.5, then my next phone will certainly be based on Android. I expect a lot of other people to make that decision as well.
You can't expect iPhone or Windows Phone 7 to succeed? No Flash support, not allowing emulators, and complete control of what software you can install.
Dont panic guys, we still dont know much about the application side of WP7 ... Wait till next month March 15 for the MIX10.
Me personally, I dont mind "rebooting" myself to use WP7 new OS and app scheme.
I have no problem with semi-multitasking or no-cab as long as it could get the job done and has tons of very good useful applications.
Android is nice, but being in Europe, I feel pain to not having Nexus ... to not having Google Voice ... I feel not complete. I know, I will get that eventually (Nexus, but dont know about Google Voice), but if I have to wait, then it would be long due before I got WP7.
Yes true, we also dont know if there are some US specific services for WP7, I hope not.
Apple? No, I dont like it ... it is too common nowadays ... I am Windows and Linux user
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The way things are going with Windows Mobile 7, I can't see it lasting as a platform.
I understand why Microsoft wants to do this. The real money is in the marketplace, like how Apple is doing it. The problem is, the iPhone is a success not just for it's features or UI, but because it's an Apple product.
For example, there's been way better players then iPod, but people bought it for the status symbol it gives. Just like the iPhone.
If Windows Phone 7 isn't as open as Windows Mobile 6.5, then my next phone will certainly be based on Android. I expect a lot of other people to make that decision as well.
You can't expect iPhone or Windows Phone 7 to succeed? No Flash support, not allowing emulators, and complete control of what software you can install.
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I am also afraid that Microsoft will take away to many of our beloved freedoms (open for everybody to write programs, multi-tasking, customizing...). I have always looked at WM as a pocket computer rather then a simple smartphone. I fear this will not be the case with Windows Phone 7. There are just too many things threatening the mentioned freedom.
For example the leaked documents state that to use full multi-tasking you will have to let Microsoft approve your program. Given the history of MS I dont think they are going to approve anything without charging a fee. And why would someone even think that any of the many developers that have contributed freeware for Windows Mobile will be willing to pay for beeing allowed to use certain features of Windows Phone for their programs?
But sure we dont know everything yet. Lets just hope that future unveilings will bring some positive facts to daylight.
Well in those leaked docs, it looks like you'll only be able to install apps through the marketplace. I can understand how that will help developers and their security.
But if those developers are still charging ~$14.00 for programs, then that makes it totally pointless. I will not dish out that kind of money for a game that will finish in one sitting. No matter how great it is.
If they implement this, I hope they think it through. 0.99c releases, and if they allow cab installation (which I do hope), then downloading the cab from developers website would could cost the normal ~$14.00 instead, because it's a fact that it will be broadcast everywhere.
Marketplace is way too overpriced. Fix that, and you'll have a winner.
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So what? It doesn't matter one bit how many trillions of processes the OS supports, when third party developers are not allowed to make their applications run in the background!
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i dont get it ..
i dont understand what the problem is.. WinMo7 will be great for microsoft..
if everyone thinks multitasking and the ability to install cabs are so important.. iphones wouldnt be as popular.. and NOT everyone buys an iphone for the STATUS symbol.. it's popular because it has a lot of useful APPs.. and the UI is logical and useful.. unlike the current WinMo 6.5
I am currently using a diamond 2 and if WinMo doesnt have all these non finger friendly feathers i wouldnt have to tweak it. So i dont see such a major issue with WinMo7 not being as customizable, because if it's functional it will be FINE.
Another issue i see people having is not being able to multitask.. it's not like there isnt any at all... and plus what type of multitasking are you doing on your phone anyways...? it's not a computer, as long as you can listen to music when your doing other things isnt that fine..? and plus if i were to choose between UI speed to multitasking .. SPEED would win in a land slide... it's no use to have multitasking ability when your phone isnt moving...
i think the general population will welcome this change in WinMo7. It will be finger friendly, have more useful apps, and better UI.. this alone will win back the most important sector to microsoft.. which is the GENERAL public...
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i dont understand what the problem is.. WinMo7 will be great for microsoft..
if everyone thinks multitasking and the ability to install cabs are so important.. iphones wouldnt be as popular.. and NOT everyone buys an iphone for the STATUS symbol.. it's popular because it has a lot of useful APPs.. and the UI is logical and useful.. unlike the current WinMo 6.5
I am currently using a diamond 2 and if WinMo doesnt have all these non finger friendly feathers i wouldnt have to tweak it. So i dont see such a major issue with WinMo7 not being as customizable, because if it's functional it will be FINE.
Another issue i see people having is not being able to multitask.. it's not like there isnt any at all... and plus what type of multitasking are you doing on your phone anyways...? it's not a computer, as long as you can listen to music when your doing other things isnt that fine..? and plus if i were to choose between UI speed to multitasking .. SPEED would win in a land slide... it's no use to have multitasking ability when your phone isnt moving...
i think the general population will welcome this change in WinMo7. It will be finger friendly, have more useful apps, and better UI.. this alone will win back the most important sector to microsoft.. which is the GENERAL public...
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the only thing that i want is: porting wp 7 or android 2.xx to touch pro.
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i dont understand what the problem is.. WinMo7 will be great for microsoft..
if everyone thinks multitasking and the ability to install cabs are so important.. iphones wouldnt be as popular.. and NOT everyone buys an iphone for the STATUS symbol.. it's popular because it has a lot of useful APPs.. and the UI is logical and useful.. unlike the current WinMo 6.5
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See this is part of the problem here, most of the iPhone users got it for a few reasons like because they wanted a smart phone but, didn't know better, it's a cool looking apple product or their friend has or talked about one. The iPhone had coolness factor, so that is why people grabbed them. A good chunk(most) didn't have a clue about a smartphone. I am diehard WM but, I'll admit the iPhone has some coolness factor and features I have been dreaming about for WM for a long time....
Now we move to Windows Mobile, there is tons of people who have these phones, why ? Because we can do what we want with them, tons of 3rd party apps, we can install them as we want to, on our time, taking after the model of a Windows PC. It allows us to make them our phones, not what the provider gives you and you have to deal with it.
The MarketPlace was a great idea and WM has needed it for a while. It also needs a way to manually install apps, like WM has always done to make everyone happy. It wants to hit the user market and the corporate market, it will need both. This will make both people happy, the people like us, who want to play, do what we want and the people who want a easy to use phone with the marketplace to get all there apps.
In this model, if the marketplace is kept up (always getting new apps), a newbie user would NEVER have to even install a cab for the entire time of owning a phone. This will allow a developer to be able to sell an app on media or on their own website for users to download and install as well as the marketplace.
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i think the general population will welcome this change in WinMo7. It will be finger friendly, have more useful apps, and better UI.. this alone will win back the most important sector to microsoft.. which is the GENERAL public...
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Yes, WM needed a major overhaul, no question about it. Most experts think this is it, if they don't make it with the next version, they should get out of the game. The finger friendly thing is HUGE now, the iPhone showed it and they started some of it in 6.5, something that has been needed for a long time.
They have a good chance with this to bring the public back in, let's see if they can but, lets not abandon the people, like us, who made WM what it is today (we on here and PPG make good % of WM owners).
Time will tell and it will be interesting to see what happens here...I do look forward to the change but, still want it all, like it is now but, a lot better...
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The way things are going with Windows Mobile 7, I can't see it lasting as a platform.
I understand why Microsoft wants to do this. The real money is in the marketplace, like how Apple is doing it. The problem is, the iPhone is a success not just for it's features or UI, but because it's an Apple product.
For example, there's been way better players then iPod, but people bought it for the status symbol it gives. Just like the iPhone.
If Windows Phone 7 isn't as open as Windows Mobile 6.5, then my next phone will certainly be based on Android. I expect a lot of other people to make that decision as well.
You can't expect iPhone or Windows Phone 7 to succeed? No Flash support, not allowing emulators, and complete control of what software you can install.
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Except the iPhone is already a success! I think Windows Phone 7 takes the best of the iPhone and the best from Windows Mobile.
You don't seriously think Microsoft should have left Windows Mobile in the same path as 6.5 do you? or even Photon? It would have left Microsoft stagnant with the same marketshare at best.
Remember, the iPhone hasn't stolen from Windows Mobile (its market has actually stayed the same to a slight growth) but the iPhone has brought so many more people into the smartphone market.
It also amusing that you judge so quickly when nothing has been said about development except for leaked documents that do infer multitasking. Perhaps you can spread more judgement after MIX next month.
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Windows Mobile, there is tons of people who have these phones
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If this was true, you wouldn't be saying
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Yes, WM needed a major overhaul, no question about it. Most experts think this is it, if they don't make it with the next version, they should get out of the game.
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Microsoft's market share was plummeting, yet everyone here on XDA acts like it was all good and now is when it will fail after their "freedom" is removed
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I don't understand that sentence at all
why microsoft will continue with wm6.5
is they not satisfy for wp7s or the partner ( HTC, SAMSUNG, ...) not like it?
does WP7S made only for microsoft phones? same strategy of iphone?
like they say spain restaurant not have all the data on the net, who have?
i think WP7 not finished yet but they announce it early.
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why microsoft will continue with wm6.5
is they not satisfy for wp7s or the partner ( HTC, SAMSUNG, ...) not like it?
does WP7S made only for microsoft phones? same strategy of iphone?
like they say spain restaurant not have all the data on the net, who have?
i think WP7 not finished yet but they announce it early.
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2 pathes, 6.5 is for business business users (Pure business & no fun) while 7 is for having fun and doing SOME work done.
No iphone strategy (vertical strategy as steve ballmer said) "We sell software to people who make devices".
This is a good time in MWC10 (FEB) to announce WP7 so they can announce the Development tools in MIX10 (MAR) and release the stuff to develop with VS2010 (APR)
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Im the same mate, seems very iphoney,.......... can see everyone switching to android or buying windows 7 phones and installing 6.5 on them (like people where doing with xp when vista came out)
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I think you need to get over it if Microsoft didn't make this move, Windows Phones would be stuck in the same state they are now: old, retarded, slow and inconsistent.
This change is NEEDED and people like you are the folks that'll hold it back. Buy a new phone.
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If this was true, you wouldn't be saying
Microsoft's market share was plummeting, yet everyone here on XDA acts like it was all good and now is when it will fail after their "freedom" is removed
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WRONG. They needed to make this move. The iPhone hasn't got much freedom and look at the HUGE adoption there.
Hello,
Im quite new to this forum and read a lot of news about mobile phones lately. I saw a great dual boot application for wimo 6.5 phones to run android.
But now the new Windows Phone 7 is coming I'm thinking if its possible to dualboot it on a android phone.
ofcourse there will be hell a lot of work to get Windows phone 7 on an android device but if it will work out for a HD2 (wich i think will not get the update)
to hack it and install Windows Phone 7 why not try an android like the desire?
I really want to have Windows Phone 7 and I think it'll do good things for mobiles and game developers but i just can't hold it any longer with my n81 from nokia
and Q4 is to far away for me to wait for a new phone (I've read somewhere that the first HTC device with Windows Phone 7 will come in Q4).
regards,
Besuikerd
yes q4 but i think it's gonna be even later as this happens all the time. And i think you should wait at least for a month to see how the new system will perform since this is a major upgrade and not an update like 6.5 to 6.1.
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are there some new informations about it?
It can't be done. Android is open source making it possible (well, legal) to dual boot on WM phones, WM is not.
I'm sure it could be done if someone was brave (or stupid?) enough to get access to the source, but I don't think I would want MS on my back lol.
on my opion, WM is my top choice, android? may be in the future
the no.1 advantages for WM is the register, however it is fat, and it is contains hard understanding digits, but this is the way we can modify the system, even something on the base. only WM supports modify register by handset users.
someone says andorid is open source, but i dont believe it is the keyword. WM is brother of WINDOWS, every app developer could use their tool to develop WM apps. For example, Visual Studio has WM compiler.
WM supports modify desktop themes, includ background, tool bars, and soft keys, i think almost handset users could use WM as normally without manila.
WM has too many levels of menu on system setting, but we always find what we want in the end, but android doesnt give us this.
on other hand, android's app is developing very fast, because it is open source, absolutely free, but android has too many things should learn from WM. app market and open source are good idea, but operating system is the keyword.
why WM still losing market? 64k color screen, tardy in app market, expensive handset especially in developing countries, no multi-touch and so on. but WM is the best operating system ever i used, sybian is very silly in touch screen, iphone os doesnt support multi-task.
may be android is my future choice couple years later, but now, WM is my choice.
this is my personal opion, i hope everyone discuss with me as a gentle. thanx
......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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windows phone 7 disable install by cab and external sd is worst idea, large pre-installed ssd should rise handset's price, will loose huge market in developing countries.
windows phone 7 is closer to stupid iphone os, no external sd, no cab, no modified desktop. so sad
froyo is next generation android, i haven't try that, but i hope it will be more tasty.
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windows phone 7 disable install by cab and external sd is worst idea, large pre-installed ssd should rise handset's price, will loose huge market in developing countries.
windows phone 7 is closer to stupid iphone os, no external sd, no cab, no modified desktop. so sad
froyo is next generation android, i haven't try that, but i hope it will be more tasty.
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I agree, I believe android is the OS of tomorrow. I mean, eventually Google will own everything right? I've got my eye on the Dell Streak.
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I agree, I believe android is the OS of tomorrow. I mean, eventually Google will own everything right? I've got my eye on the Dell Streak.
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if android supports modify register (or something like register), my next handset should be that...hah
i hope VODAFONE NZ will release more android or WM handsets, they only focus on sybian and iphone,......... bloody hell
Android actually has a future
I love WM, but this is the last of the operating system as we know it. As a noob, I have done more with this phone than I ever thought was possible. Window Phone 7 won't allow us to do the things we have done with 6.5. Also, now with Microsoft changing the game, there will be no new apps developed for 6.5. The iPhone offers no freedom. Microsoft is following Apple in suit, limiting freedom. I don't understand Symbian. Palm is dead. So, my next handset will be an Android. I'm sure next to Apple, Andoid will be #2 system to develop for.
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......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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The only problem with that is they hafta get apple's tit outta their mouth first and as long as they are pushing the iPhone you can forget it.
Just my 2cents
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The only problem with that is they hafta get apple's tit outta their mouth first and as long as they are pushing the iPhone you can forget it.
Just my 2cents
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iphone is too expensive, some of my friends are using iphone now, i tried that, looks like handy gameboy.
tekgurl said:
I love WM, but this is the last of the operating system as we know it. As a noob, I have done more with this phone than I ever thought was possible. Window Phone 7 won't allow us to do the things we have done with 6.5. Also, now with Microsoft changing the game, there will be no new apps developed for 6.5. The iPhone offers no freedom. Microsoft is following Apple in suit, limiting freedom. I don't understand Symbian. Palm is dead. So, my next handset will be an Android. I'm sure next to Apple, Andoid will be #2 system to develop for.
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sybian is stupid as well, i tried 5800XM, bull**** touch screen UI. also i hate the certificate about app installation. S40 is good os, but s60 is bloody silly.
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......yeah, the day that AT&T drops an up-to-par android device, I will never own another WM6.5 device again. Now Windows 7 Phone... hmmmmmmmmm
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yeah..me too..hah
TP2 is my last WM handset, sure it
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... Palm is dead. So, my next handset will be an Android. I'm sure next to Apple, Andoid will be #2 system to develop for.
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Palm was purchased by HP for several hundred million. Rumor is that WebOS will be used on a tablet HP will put out later this or early next year.
Had N1 for 3 months now. Decided to stop by my old TP2 forum.. hehe.
I'll be short. I'd gladly spend another $600 and sell my last pair of socks to go from WM to Android device.
If you're still on TP2.. I dunno what to say not to make you feel bad... but seriously, throw that **** out the window and get an android phone, even G1 is better than anything WM-based.
I'm saying that as a guy who had WM phone since 4.0, back on Cingular 6125 (or w/e it was).
P.S: and trust me, the xdandroid that runs on TP2's flimsy hardware is nothing in comparison to a proper android device.
There. My $.02.
windows phone 7 disable install by cab and external sd is worst idea, large pre-installed ssd should rise handset's price, will loose huge market in d
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I agree, I believe android is the OS of tomorrow. I mean, eventually Google will own everything right? I've got my eye on the Dell Streak.
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Nah, I've got MY EYE on the Dell Streak. Lol. Find ur own new ultimate tech device. Juss kidding. We on da same page. I can't wait till it drops. There's nothin out there touching it at the moment, That's a tablet and a phone and has dual cam ;P
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Nah, I've got MY EYE on the Dell Streak. Lol. Find ur own new ultimate tech device. Juss kidding. We on da same page. I can't wait till it drops. There's nothin out there touching it at the moment, That's a tablet and a phone and has dual cam ;P
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I'm looking at the Samsung Galaxy S (if it gets quickly rooted and can flash custom roms) or the Aava Mobile dev phone with the intel moorestown soc (which runs Meego and Android natively. WIN!).
I think both of these phones have advantages over the Streak.
Speaking of tablet/phones, have you seen the S7? Makes the streak it's lil biotch. lol
I wouldn't get either personally.
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if android supports modify register (or something like register), my next handset should be that...hah
i hope VODAFONE NZ will release more android or WM handsets, they only focus on sybian and iphone,......... bloody hell
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Yes, it's called Linux. If ADB, recovery, SU and Busybox are working on a rooted Android phone, there's an amazing about of customization, fixes, etc (like regedit kinda) that can be done in Android.
There's even desktop apps that will let you modify android apps and let you push them back to the phone.
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the no.1 advantages for WM is the register, however it is fat, and it is contains hard understanding digits, but this is the way we can modify the system, even something on the base. only WM supports modify register by handset users.
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LOL, I find that hilarious, because I find WM and windows's largest DISADVANTAGE/disaster is the registry. *nix is fully customizable/editable like windows, and arguably much more logical/less of a clusterf**k than the registry. I think WM is all but dead at this point. WM7 looks pretty weak, and android has already surpassed WM6.5 in a short time.
I have a tilt2, and there's no doubt my next phone WILL be an android phone. WM is a walking zombie at this point in my mind.
When you get right down to the ACTUAL subject of this section, the clear winner TODAY is WM. While Android may be the future, WM is far more capable out of the box than Android; case in point, Exchange Sync. Granted, there are a growing number of apps available which help to level things a bit, the question was about the O/S's not them and app support. And the comment about the difference in hardware, well look at the EVO and HD2.
Now, I have no idea what the future will bring, but I do know that today, as a business user, Android does not meet all my needs. Those that will argue this will start with the apps available, which actually serves to make my point.
I am in this forum because of this question, but will make my own determination which suites me better and won't get caught up in any of the hype.
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When you get right down to the ACTUAL subject of this section, the clear winner TODAY is WM. While Android may be the future, WM is far more capable out of the box than Android; case in point, Exchange Sync. Granted, there are a growing number of apps available which help to level things a bit, the question was about the O/S's not them and app support. And the comment about the difference in hardware, well look at the EVO and HD2.
Now, I have no idea what the future will bring, but I do know that today, as a business user, Android does not meet all my needs. Those that will argue this will start with the apps available, which actually serves to make my point.
I am in this forum because of this question, but will make my own determination which suites me better and won't get caught up in any of the hype.
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I don't know how "more capable" somehow equates to simple Exchange support, but if that's all that matters then RIM > Everyone else.
How about pointing to some other areas where WM is the "clear" winner? Because I can definitely point to many areas where Android trumps WM. Thanks for playing though.
Could there be a way to have the windows 8.1 on our M7? I seen today where they released the windows version on the M8 at verizon today and I was just curious if it could be done?
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Aggies1288 said:
Could there be a way to have the windows 8.1 on our M7? I seen today where they released the windows version on the M8 at verizon today and I was just curious if it could be done?
Thanks
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anythings possible but it would take a lot of work. i dont even know the logistics of it and wouldnt be very helpful.
maybe a dev could chime in.
If I were in the position at Microsoft to institute a pirate dual-boot development campaign for Windows Phone, I would have a lot of fun doing it. Generate market buzz for Windows Phone by giving those with suitable devices the opportunity to install a "free operating system upgrade".
The challenges would be as much legal and political as technical - working with OEM and carrier partners who're nervous about unlocked bootloaders, etc. A marketing campaign that isn't about getting people to buy new hardware so much as giving new life to devices already out there... I would target recent Google Nexus devices (they're open, right?), then do an assessment of iPhone 5* and the legality of a push-button JailBreak app: "Tired of your stuffy iPhone? click here for some open Windows". yeah, redmond could have fun with this and make some noise where they need good marketing more than anything, Simply put, I would look closer at Windows Phone for my next upgrade if they did something like this. Do something nice for the enthusiasts and influencers, etc.
If you had the M8 it might be possible, but not on the M7
Know hawk has hinted about trying to port a Windows os to the m7. Again just talked about it a little. So till at least a dev tries and you know someone will try to do it. We will have to sit and wait till they do.
Until the Windows m8 is even unlocked (as the Chevron method will no longer work) and someone manages to make a dump from it, nothing will happen.
Maybe it will still be possible to pay a fee and register it as a Developer device, for publishing apps to the market.
Then when that does happen, getting it to boot on the Android m8 will be the first challenge at hand, as it will have to have the bootloader and firmware ported as well.
Getting all of that ported over to any other device will be a huge challenge and I wouldn't personally hold my breath on anyone getting this done, anytime soon, if at all.
Just being straight about it.
It's not the same as porting android from one device to another.
In my opinion, Cotulla would be the guy to do this for the m7, if he has any interest in doing so, but again that's just my opinion.
We will see what happens... As stated not possible without a dump though
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well the HTC HD2 was able to get windows 6.5, windows 7, android, unbuntu, and Meego all on one phone so this is highly possible but as Hawknest said, we would need a dump first.
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with some work, Grub bootloader can be loaded onto the M7. But thats another topic all together.
Problem is even it you port windows 8, Microsoft will pull it from forums..
There is nobody responsible for Windows Phone 10 on Microsoft. The WP10 has been abandoned for 1 year and as you have seen by recent news and pages about WP10, it's pretty dead by now.
Nobody is fixing bugs not even critical bugs. They just want to have a great 3D experience with WP10. Oh come on Microsoft, really? 3D apps and the critical stuff dead or not working.
I think that the WP10 manager is just playing gold everyday and waiting for it to die. I don't know if it's Dona Sarkar or another person, but my opinion is that she is just a pretty face to keep everybody fooled about the destiny of the WP10 project. To die, because it's been on coma for a long time now. It's like a joke, but a sad one.
So, I'm out of Windows Insider Preview for Windows Phone 10 and reset the phone to have a working version.
I'm still on insider preview for Windows 10 desktop because this one is being taken seriously and it has been great reporting stuff and helping build the future of Windows. Desktop, not mobile.
Remember Nokia? It's back with Android and with amazing smartphones. Nokia 6 will sell like hot cakes and so Nokia 5 and 3. Also I'm buying the flagship Nokia 8 or 9. Yes, two Android Nokia.
find something interesting to do in life... who cares which phone you buy next... is your choice...
adevel said:
There is nobody responsible for Windows Phone 10 on Microsoft. The WP10 has been abandoned for 1 year and as you have seen by recent news and pages about WP10, it's pretty dead by now.
Nobody is fixing bugs not even critical bugs. They just want to have a great 3D experience with WP10. Oh come on Microsoft, really? 3D apps and the critical stuff dead or not working.
I think that the WP10 manager is just playing gold everyday and waiting for it to die. I don't know if it's Dona Sarkar or another person, but my opinion is that she is just a pretty face to keep everybody fooled about the destiny of the WP10 project. To die, because it's been on coma for a long time now. It's like a joke, but a sad one.
So, I'm out of Windows Insider Preview for Windows Phone 10 and reset the phone to have a working version.
I'm still on insider preview for Windows 10 desktop because this one is being taken seriously and it has been great reporting stuff and helping build the future of Windows. Desktop, not mobile.
Remember Nokia? It's back with Android and with amazing smartphones. Nokia 6 will sell like hot cakes and so Nokia 5 and 3. Also I'm buying the flagship Nokia 8 or 9. Yes, two Android Nokia.
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gooooo, bundyyyy!!!!!
Don't think so
I just joined about 2 weeks ago the windows 10 mobile family with a L640 DS. Let me tell you that it is very interesting, companies like gamelfot, for example, are not taking into account opinions like yours, they are still making apps for the system and very good ones. There are others that are developing apps that are exclusive for windows 10 M. I am coming from an Android device that had all the development in the world, you can look for it, Xiaomi Redmi 2 Prime and I just gave it to my wife. You would say, you missed it, or you are crazy, but in fact, will all the tweaks that I have found here in xda with advanced users help, I might say, not comming back to android any future soon. Yes, MS may have delays on fixing bugs or getting updates, but they still do it. For me, W10M is not dead, does not have a good position in market, it is true, but if you look at the good apps in the store, they sometimes have just 2 reviews, out of 1000 downloads. So you can ask.. is it really MS fault?? Or users fault?? W10 M have received 2 updates within the last month.. how many does android get?? 1 in.... IDK 1 year??? Be realistic of what you think and what you believe... and yes, android has still fragmentation even in 7.1.2.. It is just my opinion.. even if pages like wcentral or others try to kill the system, which as I have read, have been doing it for a while now, they have not been able to.. idk what is the bad thing that they turn around about it... just be happy.. if you will change devices.. it is ok.. everyone should be happy with what they have or what they want.. just do not try to let people think the same way than you do right now.. not every one needs to know when or why you change your device
adevel said:
Windows Phone 10 is dead because Microsoft wanted that way
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That is old news, and why Windows 10 Mobile is only current. Microsoft does not just do things for any reason. It is by plan. Now if that plan turns out to be bad, then it was still by design and plan that they do what they do. Like all things in life there is bad with good. I am not certain anyone knows the complete end goal for Microsoft or why they had to disappoint. I have hunch you have no clue either...
I am curious as to why did you post this here? There are many social media forums that you could get more discussion out of with topics like this.
Jemec26 said:
...There are others that are developing apps that are exclusive for windows 10 M.
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Name at least three
I use HP Elite x3 and totally love it, but I'm also capable of seeing the real world in which W10M is on deathbed
Nickolas_Shelomov said:
Name at least three
I use HP Elite x3 and totally love it, but I'm also capable of seeing the real world in which W10M is on deathbed
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Rudy Huyn is a big developer, Game troopers and I cannot recall several others developers that just work on that platform
Jemec26 said:
Rudy Huyn is a big developer, Game troopers and I cannot recall several others developers that just work on that platform
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Latest news that i got after searching "Rudy Huyn" are from 2015
Based on the info on their website,Game troopers released ONE game on W10M, so yeah ONE exclusive for os is really a significant amount
The new Nokia isn't like the old one at all. Those new phones they produced barely match the old Nokia phones quality. One thing I like about Nokia was its unrivaled PureView technology. But that technology belongs to Microsoft now and they've already killed Lumia. So, no more smartphone with exclusive camera technology unless they're willing to buy their old technologies back
The thing is though, is that Microsoft is so tight lipped about it all that we do not know and will not know till they say or show something for it. Andromeda devices are the future??? Who knows until Microsoft shows it...
nate0 said:
The thing is though, is that Microsoft is so tight lipped about it all that we do not know and will not know till they say or show something for it. Andromeda devices are the future??? Who knows until Microsoft shows it...
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my opinion is like that: if microsoft doesn't care bout their devices, why they forbid andromeda project? i mean, if they don't care(and it's quite obvious that this is the case), why not open up the source code so those, who DO care will make smth good for all w10m fans, like andromeda reborn or smth? Microsoft will lose nothing in such case, and i mean nothing. But this can potentially help them to get rid of remaining devices so they will return at least some of the spent money to use it in future projects + a lot of people would be grateful for such gesture.
windows phone never die ...
microsoft worked on it since 2003 and our problem its not new windows phone hardwares has stopped at 2011 by htc and started again with nokia windows 10 mobile has something android and ios cant have we can acces xbox store on w10 store . why microsoft is a lazy company ? he cant ban our access ?
do you thinked why microsoft bring appx for pc ? new generation of apps ? no its all for mobile we just need to wait for hardware transform(surface phone) ...
when it happens we can open pc appxs on mobile some good appx we can open by hardware transform (surface phone) :
roblox - kodi and many pc apps thats not available for us
Only time will tell at this point. I get tons more out of W10M then I do on Andoid device. And a heck of lot more out of a W10M phone than a iOS device, that is for sure.
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Only time will tell at this point. I get tons more out of W10M then I do on Andoid device. And a heck of lot more out of a W10M phone than a iOS device, that is for sure.
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Just curious, what do you "get out of W10M" that's not possible with Android?
Even though I can alter the system to the way I need I cannot say it offers everything but from the customizing standpoint it is close to what I get from an Android device minus the boot loader unlocking.
I guess I am picky on what I look for or how productive I am. There is simplicity in the UI with no clutter. Android is a busy OS, and easily out performs all others in the way of notifying you of everything. It sometimes can take more than 2 steps extra to do the same thing I would on a Windows 10M device. I cannot stand the Gboard or any other OEM VKB for that matter. I have always liked the Windows 8.0/10 Virtual Keyboard. I spend most my time on Email, the camera, messaging, and forum reading. I do all of those fluidly (for me) and quickly. On android it seems apps and OS developers are all veering down their own path. Some, apps follow a standard outline others don't. It could take me months of hunting for apps that all fit my day to day usage with out stumbling through each one each time I use them for it to be at par with how I use like an Elite X3 or 950 XL. But that is just me I suppose. I need no social apps, or special apps for doing what I want while away from my PC so I feel no app pressure from my end. On top of that newer apps are coming along slowly but surely. Plus it is a pc plus a phone in my hand if I use continuum. So without rambling on much more those are some ways.
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Even though I can alter the system to the way I need I cannot say it offers everything but from the customizing standpoint it is close to what I get from an Android device minus the boot loader unlocking.
I guess I am picky on what I look for or how productive I am. There is simplicity in the UI with no clutter. Android is a busy OS, and easily out performs all others in the way of notifying you of everything. It sometimes can take more than 2 steps extra to do the same thing I would on a Windows 10M device. I cannot stand the Gboard or any other OEM VKB for that matter. I have always liked the Windows 8.0/10 Virtual Keyboard. I spend most my time on Email, the camera, messaging, and forum reading. I do all of those fluidly (for me) and quickly. On android it seems apps and OS developers are all veering down their own path. Some, apps follow a standard outline others don't. It could take me months of hunting for apps that all fit my day to day usage with out stumbling through each one each time I use them for it to be at par with how I use like an Elite X3 or 950 XL. But that is just me I suppose. I need no social apps, or special apps for doing what I want while away from my PC so I feel no app pressure from my end. On top of that newer apps are coming along slowly but surely. Plus it is a pc plus a phone in my hand if I use continuum. So without rambling on much more those are some ways.
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Thanks for your opinions. I have used phones with Windows Phone / Windows Mobile as work phones since the very first "Pocket PC 2002" devices.
For private use I have Android.
I am trying really hard to like my 950 XL enough to keep using it as my work phone but I have finally give up and will replace it with an Android device. Mainly because I am a heavy MS user, and the MS echo system with Office apps, OneDrive, Outlook, To-Do etc. is so much better on Android. And there are so many things that worked well in WP8.1 that are worse on W10M. I loved the keyboard in WP8.1, in W10M it is not nearly as good.
I don't think it's fair to say that W10M in any way is close to Android when it comes to customization. How do you customize W10M to get night mode or to fix the broken bluetooth audio (since MS doesn't care about these)?
WP8.1 had a fast and fluid UI but W10M on my 950 XL feels slower then my Nexus 6P. There is irritating animations and waiting times everywhere and browsing the Store is so slow compared to Play Store on Android or the store on WP8.1. And multitasking is not working well at all.
The Microsoft Arrow launcher on Android is so much better then the W10M start screen. It gives you great overview from your Outlook calendar and mail and it's widgets are better in every way compared to the "live tiles". It has smart features and are customizable which lets you do tasks directly from the start screen instead of launching apps.
I use both devices daily and the only thing I like better on my 950 XL vs the Nexus 6P is the camera button. Otherwise I can't think of any task or anything that's faster/easier done on the 950 XL. The Edge web browser is clearly slower and more buggy compared to Chrome/Firefox. In general apps load slower and need reloading more often. Etc.
Even if I don't care about the apps (I use my Nexus 6P for apps) I sadly can't find any reason to keep using my 950 XL with it's abandoned OS. For the time being, Android is clearly the way to go if you want to use Microsoft's services in the best way.
dape16 said:
Thanks for your opinions. I have used phones with Windows Phone / Windows Mobile as work phones since the very first "Pocket PC 2002" devices.
For private use I have Android.
I am trying really hard to like my 950 XL enough to keep using it as my work phone but I have finally give up and will replace it with an Android device. Mainly because I am a heavy MS user, and the MS echo system with Office apps, OneDrive, Outlook, To-Do etc. is so much better on Android. And there are so many things that worked well in WP8.1 that are worse on W10M. I loved the keyboard in WP8.1, in W10M it is not nearly as good.
I don't think it's fair to say that W10M in any way is close to Android when it comes to customization. How do you customize W10M to get night mode or to fix the broken bluetooth audio (since MS doesn't care about these)?
WP8.1 had a fast and fluid UI but W10M on my 950 XL feels slower then my Nexus 6P. There is irritating animations and waiting times everywhere and browsing the Store is so slow compared to Play Store on Android or the store on WP8.1. And multitasking is not working well at all.
The Microsoft Arrow launcher on Android is so much better then the W10M start screen. It gives you great overview from your Outlook calendar and mail and it's widgets are better in every way compared to the "live tiles". It has smart features and are customizable which lets you do tasks directly from the start screen instead of launching apps.
I use both devices daily and the only thing I like better on my 950 XL vs the Nexus 6P is the camera button. Otherwise I can't think of any task or anything that's faster/easier done on the 950 XL. The Edge web browser is clearly slower and more buggy compared to Chrome/Firefox. In general apps load slower and need reloading more often. Etc.
Even if I don't care about the apps (I use my Nexus 6P for apps) I sadly can't find any reason to keep using my 950 XL with it's abandoned OS. For the time being, Android is clearly the way to go if you want to use Microsoft's services in the best way.
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To each his own. That is why there are choices...and why there are more than several other OS platforms to choose from for what we need.