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Hey guys I just got my note 2 today and have been messing around with the S pen. Does anyone else notice that when pressing buttons on the screen to open apps or things in apps etc that it is not always responsive unless you hit it at the perfect angle? Also when I write normally i kind of write more at a sideways angle towards the screen but it seems to not register very well like this so I have to write more vertical towards the screen. Is there any way to fix these issues or is that just how it is at this time? Also i feel like if I write too lightly it doesn't register very well when writing. Is there a way to adjust the sensitivity or am I the only one who thinks this? Lastly, if i touch the screen with my palm it makes a mark in s note i thought it was not supposed to do this or let your finger write when the s pen is out. How do I set this?
jakebake said:
Hey guys I just got my note 2 today and have been messing around with the S pen. Does anyone else notice that when pressing buttons on the screen to open apps or things in apps etc that it is not always responsive unless you hit it at the perfect angle? Also when I write normally i kind of write more at a sideways angle towards the screen but it seems to not register very well like this so I have to write more vertical towards the screen. Is there any way to fix these issues or is that just how it is at this time? Also i feel like if I write too lightly it doesn't register very well when writing. Is there a way to adjust the sensitivity or am I the only one who thinks this? Lastly, if i touch the screen with my palm it makes a mark in s note i thought it was not supposed to do this or let your finger write when the s pen is out. How do I set this?
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I have a similar issue where i seem to have to press hard to get a reaction, especially the app drawer icon.
I notice you have to hit dead on which makes sense. This isn't a pencil or pen where you can write slanted and the ink still touch the paper or what not. But rather the "ball" of the s pen is where your main contact should be. Takes getting used to but what doesn't? Pen works great once you learn how it works
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I had to exchange my S-pen 3 times due to sensitivity issue! One of them was way too sensitivity, I wasn't even touching the screen and I could write on S-note... Store manager thought that was part of the Note 2's new feature... lol
Even after the exchange of S-pen I was still having little issues with it, and I ran across a thread about slamming the S-pen on the ground. I know it sounds bizarre but it actually worked! I didn't believe it at first but now my s-pen works flawless... so weird. :silly:
zen0s said:
I had to exchange my S-pen 3 times due to sensitivity issue! One of them was way too sensitivity, I wasn't even touching the screen and I could write on S-note... Store manager thought that was part of the Note 2's new feature... lol
Even after the exchange of S-pen I was still having little issues with it, and I ran across a thread about slamming the S-pen on the ground. I know it sounds bizarre but it actually worked! I didn't believe it at first but now my s-pen works flawless... so weird. :silly:
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lol like throwing it or just slamming it? and yeah i figured it would just take getting used to I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just my pen. So is there really no settings to change for it though??
Also funny question... does it matter which way it is held? Like when I was first holding it you would press the button with your thumb however you could also hold it so you would press it with your index finger. Does it matter? Is it made to work better one way?
bipoler said:
I notice you have to hit dead on which makes sense. This isn't a pencil or pen where you can write slanted and the ink still touch the paper or what not. But rather the "ball" of the s pen is where your main contact should be. Takes getting used to but what doesn't? Pen works great once you learn how it works
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Take a closer look at the tip of the S-pen. It's actually slightly spring loaded! I discovered this from an early review video I watched before I purchased mine. I believe that the tip has to be pressed hard enough to slightly retract in order to produce a mark. Writing with the pen at an angle may not be doing that.
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But I just tried it and the pen is working 95% better. I don't know if it will stay this way but it's working pretty well (for now at least).
stupid but it works for me.
jakebake said:
Hey guys I just got my note 2 today and have been messing around with the S pen. Does anyone else notice that when pressing buttons on the screen to open apps or things in apps etc that it is not always responsive unless you hit it at the perfect angle? Also when I write normally i kind of write more at a sideways angle towards the screen but it seems to not register very well like this so I have to write more vertical towards the screen. Is there any way to fix these issues or is that just how it is at this time? Also i feel like if I write too lightly it doesn't register very well when writing. Is there a way to adjust the sensitivity or am I the only one who thinks this? Lastly, if i touch the screen with my palm it makes a mark in s note i thought it was not supposed to do this or let your finger write when the s pen is out. How do I set this?
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Hey I have the same problem with you but I have solved it in a stupid but effective way. I open the back case and press it, that's it the pen sensitivity back to normal.... lol try it easy and effective....
The S pen can be too sensitive, so you have to adjust its potentiometer. Yes, you heard that right.Just pop the button cover off by simply using a razor blade or something really thin, the cover should pop immediately. Then, you have to use a small flat head screwdriver and turn the screw clockwise. This will adjust the S Pen sensitivity. If you want to make it more sensible, then you have to screw counterclockwise. You should adjust it until it no longer has a problem. This fix has worked for a lot of people, so it should work as a general fix. If you still have problems with the S pen, then you should get in touch with the dealer that gave the phone to you and get the S pen switched because it is faulty.
Vaderg82 said:
The S pen can be too sensitive, so you have to adjust its potentiometer. Yes, you heard that right.Just pop the button cover off by simply using a razor blade or something really thin, the cover should pop immediately. Then, you have to use a small flat head screwdriver and turn the screw clockwise. This will adjust the S Pen sensitivity. If you want to make it more sensible, then you have to screw counterclockwise. You should adjust it until it no longer has a problem. This fix has worked for a lot of people, so it should work as a general fix. If you still have problems with the S pen, then you should get in touch with the dealer that gave the phone to you and get the S pen switched because it is faulty.
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Wish I had known this a last week before I broke my last S Pen. lol Worked great and I even adjusted my full size S Pen as well! Kudos!
Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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I tend to agree with you. I registered both right and left thumbs and they both work on command. No 2nd or 3rd attempts yet. Just register the thumbs like you would naturally hold them on the screen(flat).
I also feel like the fingerprint scanner icon is a bit misleading, given the fact that the sensorbis actually above the actual icon
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Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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But when I try to casually tap the screen to register fingerprint naturally, it won't register, keeps saying press harder or hold longer
Or register the same finger twice.. That's the better solution
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But when I try to casually tap the screen to register fingerprint naturally, it won't register, keeps saying press harder or hold longer
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The tap needs a certain amount of pressure, not too light either
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Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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Same, and i registered the finger I'm going to be using most twice. Registered casually and from a natural position. I think mine has failed to unlock maybe 3 times in a week. In this case...keep it simple don't over think it.
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I noticed when the screen is off in dark mode and u take a flashlight on a angle of the screen i noticed the sensor is like a U shape just slighty to the left of the finger print icon, now that i kinda setup my finger print just a tat left og the finger print icon its been 100 procent i also noticed moist fingers work better . i could be wrong about it being a sensor but the U shape i think would be the sensor
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I noticed when the screen is off in dark mode and u take a flashlight on a angle of the screen i noticed the sensor is like a U shape just slighty to the left of the finger print icon, now that i kinda setup my finger print just a tat left og the finger print icon its been 100 procent i also noticed moist fingers work better . i could be wrong about it being a sensor but the U shape i think would be the sensor
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You don't need to move your finger away, the sensing part of the sensor is perfectly aligned in the middle
New update on firmware.Science for snapdragon. SBA TO SD3. Made a world of difference for me. Can't wait for my replacement Whitestone to get here to see if sensor works any better with tempered glass. This update absolutely made a huge difference. Not slightly, very significant change for me. I register both thumbs twice and I couldn't get it to not unlock every time. 50+ unlocks and maybe 2 failures. I stopped counting at 50.
Will it work on verizon or only unlocked?
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im on ASC8 firmware on the G9750 10+ and its terrible. hopefully an update comes soon..
Mine has been pretty much perfect since the new firmware update.
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nugzo said:
New update on firmware.Science for snapdragon. SBA TO SD3. Made a world of difference for me. Can't wait for my replacement Whitestone to get here to see if sensor works any better with tempered glass. This update absolutely made a huge difference. Not slightly, very significant change for me. I register both thumbs twice and I couldn't get it to not unlock every time. 50+ unlocks and maybe 2 failures. I stopped counting at 50.
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I'm waiting on my Whitestone replacement as well. Can you keep us informed on how the sensor works with your new install? I had to pull the last one. It was horrible. I miss my glass...
The problem for me and many people is that when the finger being scanned is dry, scanning won't work (and will be asked to "press harder"). Some people then try to press really hard and it will, forever, say "not match".
People with moisted fingers will not have this problem and will not understand the kind of people I mentioned above. Since I have S10+ for a month, I, kind of, know when the scanning will not work. I will use face scanning instead or if I really want to scan my finger with whatever reason, I just rub my nose with my thumb then it will 100% work (greasy nose does the trick).
I don't know if Samsung can ever fix this since it is not how accurate the reader is.
Dry fingers don't work with the fps even when removing the pre-installed screen protector?
I am debating to remove the screen protector and my main points are:
1. The protection offered by the pre installed screen protector is minimal either way.
2. That the screen colors and usage will become much better.
3. That the fps will work much better even with dry fingers due to the oleophovic coat of the screen.
Has anyone who removed the screen protector tested this?
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Dry fingers don't work with the fps even when removing the pre-installed screen protector?
I am debating to remove the screen protector and my main points are:
1. The protection offered by the pre installed screen protector is minimal either way.
2. That the screen colors and usage will become much better.
3. That the fps will work much better even with dry fingers due to the oleophovic coat of the screen.
Has anyone who removed the screen protector tested this?
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I removed mine yesterday and it does help a little with the fps. I still don't like the fps though, I would much rather have a Face ID equivalent. Or have the fps on the back.
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I'm waiting on my Whitestone replacement as well. Can you keep us informed on how the sensor works with your new install? I had to pull the last one. It was horrible. I miss my glass...
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I had reached out to Whitestone because my first install failed. I had the WSD on my s9+ and went through 5 or 6 in the year (I dropped my phone a lot). So I knew what I was doing, but the first try had a huge bubble. Tried doing the cleaning and reinstall with the backup glue and had a bunch of microscopic bubbles in the top and bottom (guessing I didn't clean it well enough before reinstall). I wasn't sure how to register warrenty wise because technically it worked fine, just was having FPS issues. They ended up replacing without me paying for the shipping which was awesome of them.
Recieved my replacement today, and the install is flawless. One thing to note is on the 10+ the absorb pads hook into the top tray not the bottom (that was a hell of a mess the first time). The original kit didn't come with the pads pre-installed like the replacement kit.
I haven't even gotten the latest OTA yet, and with the WSD glass, it's just as quick and success rate is the same as when I had the pre-installed protector. Might even be faster than my s9+ was...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...ingerprint-reader-warning-upgrade-galaxy-s11/
Well, as a matter of fact, no
Well as a matter of fact I am, they removed face recognition because it's not secure, they switched to ultrasonic fingerprint sensor because it's more secure then optical then a $2.70 silicone case destroyed years or research and development, mah.
SpideRMaN-17 said:
Well as a matter of fact I am, they removed face recognition because it's not secure, they switched to ultrasonic fingerprint sensor because it's more secure then optical then a $2.70 silicone case destroyed years or research and development, mah.
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1. Don't let your phone out of your sight.
2. You don't have to use fingerprint security. You can disable it and use a complex password.
Not perfect solutions. Well, number 1 is, but number 2 is a work around.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
1. Don't let your phone out of your sight.
2. You don't have to use fingerprint security. You can disable it and use a complex password.
Not perfect solutions. Well, number 1 is, but number 2 is a work around.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my note 10+ but I hate such security flaws (we payed good money for the device)
I have a note 4 (my previous phone) which is still going strong with 6hrs screen on time) but a simple 400k file installed through twrp will disable all security what ever what, and just swipe the screen to unlock it
I'm gonna run some tests on it. I don't use silicone case or screen protection on my Note 10+(just the S-cover), but I'll try to put some stuff over the sensor to see if anything can confuse the readout when I'd use other, not the registered finger print. Things like thick/thin silicone, thin latex, soft polyethylene foil etc...
SpideRMaN-17 said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my note 10+ but I hate such security flaws (we payed good money for the device)
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Unfortunately, we live in a world where reverse engineering, hacking and security breaching is more profitable than security development. Absolutely no piece of technology that you own is/will ever be 100% secure. Nothing is unhackable. Samsung will figure out how the case exploits the fingerprint scanner and will fix it but eventually someone will find some other exploit. It is what it is.
mzsquared said:
I'm gonna run some tests on it. I don't use silicone case or screen protection on my Note 10+(just the S-cover), but I'll try to put some stuff over the sensor to see if anything can confuse the readout when I'd use other, not the registered finger print. Things like thick/thin silicone, thin latex, soft polyethylene foil etc...
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someone already tried it, and samsung already acknowledged it
Well ain't that some ****
If you are concerned with security you should be using a password. All of these alternatives are for convenience and convenience always compromises security.
That being said, it's ridiculous that the FP reader can be foiled so easily.
cpufrost said:
If you are concerned with security you should be using a password. All of these alternatives are for convenience and convenience always compromises security.
That being said, it's ridiculous that the FP reader can be foiled so easily.
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Yes especially for a $1100+ phone that was claimed to have the highest security ever found on an Android device when it was announced early August.
Worried about security, SO important info, privacy concerns, sensitive/potentially embarrasing content, profitable secrets, you can keep ALL very safe if not absolutely safe using a complex password, or, you can find a very expensive encrypted device, the y DO exist, for REALLY valauble stuff not to be comprimised, all every day devices are subject to hacking, so, just do not get your device out of view, just be careful and dont loose it
SpideRMaN-17 said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my note 10+ but I hate such security flaws (we payed good money for the device)
I have a note 4 (my previous phone) which is still going strong with 6hrs screen on time) but a simple 400k file installed through twrp will disable all security what ever what, and just swipe the screen to unlock it
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If you're that concerned about security flaws then you would not have a custom recovery flashed on your Note 4 or have the bootloader unlocked.
I've got a spigen screen protector, my wife couldn't get in. I have not seen any article where they said it was tested on the Note 10/10+. My understanding was that the notes fp sensor was improved. The performance has as least over the s10.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
If you're that concerned about security flaws then you would not have a custom recovery flashed on your Note 4 or have the bootloader unlocked.
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I dont have TWRP or an unlocked bootloader on my note 4 (but I followed it's development on XDA)
cpufrost said:
If you are concerned with security you should be using a password.
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No, it's not a binary choice between being either concerned or not concerned about security. There are tradeoffs. Suppose I discover a flaw in my home's door lock that makes the lock open whenever someone knocks on the door. You could reply, "If you are concerned with home security, you should be hiring an armed guard to stand at the door". That may indeed be more effective than even the best available lock. But it's not the right solution for most people, and it's not a good reply when someone discovers the defect in the lock.
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1. Don't let your phone out of your sight.
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That solution doesn't help much in the event of armed robbery. A $1,100 phone becomes a tempting target if its security can be trivially bypassed. It becomes similar to flashing a wad of $100 bills.
However, this article explains that the problem arises only when you register your fingerprint using certain third-party screen protectors. Apparently, the phone records a pattern of irregularities on the protector itself, instead of recording your fingerprint. Subsequently, anyone pressing on that screen protector will present the same recorded pattern to the sensor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/majo...print-flaw-will-be-fixed-with-software-update
So the solution is simply to register your fingerprint without a screen protector, or using a Samsung screen protector. Once your fingerprint is properly recorded, it won't matter what protector if any is placed on the screen by an unauthorized user.
Gary02468 said:
No, it's not a binary choice between being either concerned or not concerned about security. There are tradeoffs. Suppose you discover a flaw in your home's door lock that makes the lock open whenever someone knocks on the door. You could reply, "If you are concerned with home security, you should be hiring an armed guard to stand at the door". That may indeed be more effective than even the best available lock. But it's not the right solution for most people, and it's not a good reply when someone discovers the defect in the lock.
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Again it's a matter of convenience, period. A complex password with a policy after five wrong attempts wipes the device is pretty standard in a "high security" scenario.
The lock analogy is rather flawed as most fortifications don't work out well because they're focusing on the lock itself instead of other weaknesses. It does little to have a single $300 Medeco bump proof cylinder securing an entryway with a window right next to the door!
And most locks are just there for peace of mind. It's quite easy to gain entry if you know what you're doing. A phone that's properly secured, OTOH, is extremely difficult and often requires a specialist that's professionally trained (and many thousands of dollars) to gain entry.
But if foiling is as easy as placing a layer of silicone over the screen, it should be immediately disabled and never trusted. 'Secured by Knox' is a joke when something this simple can sidestep it. And they're worried about techies rooting!
People tend to like convenience and not worry about the vulnerabilities. That's why we have all these ways to make it easier to unlock our devices. And it's also why there's such a challenge to have beautiful edge to edge displays without resorting to punch holes, notches, crazy pop ups, etc. I'd have no problem ditching all the front facing crap for that. I'm sure most of the 'over 50 crowd' has no issue with that either.
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However, this article explains that the problem arises only when you register your fingerprint using certain third-party screen protectors. Apparently, the phone records a pattern of irregularities on the protector itself, instead of recording your fingerprint. Subsequently, anyone pressing on that screen protector will present the same recorded pattern to the sensor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/majo...print-flaw-will-be-fixed-with-software-update
So the solution is simply to register your fingerprint without a screen protector, or using a Samsung screen protector. Once your fingerprint is properly recorded, it won't matter what protector if any is placed on the screen by an unauthorized user.
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The solution is to use no screen protector, this makes sense. And that's what I do. Can't stand them. I don't like scratches either but I rarely keep a device more than a few months so they look clean when I part with 'em.
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A complex password with a policy after five wrong attempts wipes the device is pretty standard in a "high security" scenario.
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Yes, and so are armed guards. But in most scenarios, too much security is as bad as too little security. It's a matter of degree.
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The solution is to use no screen protector, this makes sense.
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Well, that has to be phrased carefully. Taking off the screen protector won't necessarily help if you've already registered a fingerprint with the protector on. You have to delete any such fingerprints and then re-register without the protector. And once your prints are registered, it's no longer necessary to do without the protector if you otherwise want to use one.
SpideRMaN-17 said:
I dont have TWRP or an unlocked bootloader on my note 4 (but I followed it's development on XDA)
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Gotcha. Then I don't understand why you brought that up.
Gary02468 said:
No, it's not a binary choice between being either concerned or not concerned about security. There are tradeoffs. Suppose I discover a flaw in my home's door lock that makes the lock open whenever someone knocks on the door. You could reply, "If you are concerned with home security, you should be hiring an armed guard to stand at the door". That may indeed be more effective than even the best available lock. But it's not the right solution for most people, and it's not a good reply when someone discovers the defect in the lock.
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That solution doesn't help much in the event of armed robbery. A $1,100 phone becomes a tempting target if its security can be trivially bypassed. It becomes similar to flashing a wad of $100 bills.
However, this article explains that the problem arises only when you register your fingerprint using certain third-party screen protectors. Apparently, the phone records a pattern of irregularities on the protector itself, instead of recording your fingerprint. Subsequently, anyone pressing on that screen protector will present the same recorded pattern to the sensor.
https://www.sammobile.com/news/majo...print-flaw-will-be-fixed-with-software-update
So the solution is simply to register your fingerprint without a screen protector, or using a Samsung screen protector. Once your fingerprint is properly recorded, it won't matter what protector if any is placed on the screen by an unauthorized user.
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Talk to anyone in IT and they will tell you for security you use a complex password. Why do you think so many websites, especially banking websites, require the use of complex passwords.
So yes, if you are concerned about security, you use a complex password.
But since you brought up armed robbery, let me lean on my 16 years of full time law enforcement to answer that scenario.
No you cannot prevent all crime, but what you can do is harden the target. We tell people not only to lock their car doors, but to keep valuables out of sight. We don't advertise flashing their phone around, nor would we recommend flashing a wad of $100 bills around. So I don't get your response there, as it made no sense.
As far as not letting your phone out of your sight, it's same thing they tell you about your luggage at the airport. It IS a type of security. No matter how trivial you think it is.
The issue with the screen protector is not about preventing someone from pointing a gun at you and demanding your valuables, it's about preventing someone from illicitly accessing your personal information after they take the phone. So even in the case of an armed robbery, a complex password would make it much more difficult, if not impossible, for that robber to access your phone and the information it contains.
People that commit armed robberies are not the type that hack your phone. They are looking for a quick buck and will likely sell your phone and take your cash. BUT, if they did want to hack your phone, that silicone case would make it much easier. Whereas a complex password would protect your information. I mean, in an armed robbery your phone is gone either way. It's not like in the middle of the robbery, he's going to see your password and give it back. But he can't access the phone and you can remotely wipe it.
So as exciting as your example was, it's not accurate, nor does it address the OP's concerns.
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Yes, and so are armed guards. But in most scenarios, too much security is as bad as too little security. It's a matter of degree.
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Said no security expert ever.
This is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone argue AGAINST complex passwords or consider them to be "too much" security. That's ridiculous.
By the way, with your door example (which is perfect, by the way), you would replace the lock with a more secure lock, not replace the whole door. You know, like replacing the fingerprint unlock with a complex password, instead of replacing the whole phone. You actually did a good job of making our point with that example!
Other than that I can only assume two things about you:
1. You are arguing for the sake of arguing, and doing a poor job of it.
2. You are genuinely opposed to taking responsibility for the security of your valuables and your role in securing them, and you'd rather blame someone else when your minimal level of security, chosen solely for your convenience, fails.
Again, if you are concerned about security, you don't let your phone out of your sight and you use a complex password. If you are concerned about convenience, you don't use a password or screen lock at all. A fingerprint reader is in the middle and is generally adequately secure. But when you find a flaw in that type of security you stop using it until it's fixed.
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Talk to anyone in IT and they will tell you for security you use a complex password.
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Arguing by authority (especially the authority of unnamed hypothetical people) is unconvincing. An intelligent security policy takes account of both the costs and the benefits of different security measures, which vary greatly from one situation to another.
Why do you think so many websites, especially banking websites, require the use of complex passwords[?]
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Because most PCs don't have fingerprint sensors. All of the banking apps on my phone allow me to access them using my fingerprint.
Said no security expert ever.
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Again, you appeal to the authority of imaginary experts who agree with you. Here's an example of what the real ones say ("Why too much security is almost as bad as too little security"):
https://www.vigilantsoftware.co.uk/...ity-is-almost-as-bad-as-too-little-security**
This is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone argue AGAINST complex passwords or consider them to be "too much" security.
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Then I guess you haven't heard of most banking apps.
By the way, with your door example (which is perfect, by the way), you would replace the lock with a more secure lock
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Yes, like replacing the fps firmware with a version that works properly (as Samsung is in the process of doing), rather than unnecessarily escalating to a much less practical security interface.
Got the phone few days ago. Most of the time, fingerprint works on first or second attempts. But now and then it takes 4-5 attempts. and on two occasions i had to try 8-9 times to get it to work. Is it a problem only i am facing or its a common problem? i already updated phone after buying. should i get it replaced or it will be ok with next update
Thanks.
common problem i think. not as fast as the previous one on N9
Well, it is not widespread or "common", some users complain about this, but this issue has been discussed at lenght since the first days of this device, do a search, you will find some useful tips, My sensor is very fast and accurate, I think it depends on several factors, temp, moisture, the way you registered the fingers, screen protectors, etc
Also, register the same finger multiple times... I believe you can add 5 fingerprints....
I understand what you are talking about. I was so frustrated with the phone when I first got it. I deleted all my finger prints and then set them up again. Make sure to slowly follow the fingerprint instructions when adding. I added multiple fingers and some more than once. I have not had any issues since. I have also read some people say remove the factory screen protector. I still have mine on with no issues. Good luck!
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I understand what you are talking about. I was so frustrated with the phone when I first got it. I deleted all my finger prints and then set them up again. Make sure to slowly follow the fingerprint instructions when adding. I added multiple fingers and some more than once. I have not had any issues since. I have also read some people say remove the factory screen protector. I still have mine on with no issues. Good luck!
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did you have the same issue as mine? like u had to make several attempts and sometimes even 8-9 times to make it work?
only time I've had problems with mine is when my hands have been extremely dry, putting slight moisture on my finger can make it scan better, but for the most part it works perfect unless I'm somewhere hot and dry.
I have similar issues when I have a screen protector on the phone. Sometimes I have to press multiple times, sometimes I have to press harder. Finally going without anything on the screen and the sensor works like a charm.
Screen touch sensitivity.
On my Note 10+ 5G (SM-N976U) I have a setting on the Display page (scroll down near the bottom) that increases touch sensitivity specifically for use with screen protectors. The screen itself is Gorilla Glass 6, which is twice as strong as Gorilla Glass 5, so, if you are the careful sort, you can get by without a glass protector. Even with an extra curved glass protector, with touch sensitivity turned up, I can use light gloves & still the capacitance works fine.
Touch sensitivity has nothing to do with the fingerprint sensor.
Mine works perfect with screen protector. Sure if you put new screen peotector, it takes time to recognise finger. But when protector sits perfect than no prob at all.
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Mine drives me mad , adding finger prints mostly does not work , i cant record my thumb print at all , was wondering if the sensor is not correct under the screen ,its always hit or miss on my phone , with my wifes note 10 there are no problems
peekie said:
Mine drives me mad , adding finger prints mostly does not work , i cant record my thumb print at all , was wondering if the sensor is not correct under the screen ,its always hit or miss on my phone , with my wifes note 10 there are no problems
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Make a warranty claim, there is no point to complain here, sorry
winol said:
Make a warranty claim, there is no point to complain here, sorry
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A hard reset solved the problem , it was not a complaint post i made but a comment on the fingerprint sensor, now fixed
I'm missing the iris scanner from the note 9.
Might send it back and go back to the 9
clax6 said:
I'm missing the iris scanner from the note 9.
Might send it back and go back to the 9
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the sensor works well as long as you don't have dry hands, lick your finger/thumb and it will work every time, sad but true. it's something I realise after it working flawlessly while drinking in a beer garden with condensed glasses but the rest of the time it was hit and miss. seems if your skin is too dry it doesn't read well, but add a bit moisture and it works perfectly. guess it has something to do with the technology in the new sensor using vibration instead of imaging.
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the sensor works well as long as you don't have dry hands, lick your finger/thumb and it will work every time, sad but true. it's something I realise after it working flawlessly while drinking in a beer garden with condensed glasses but the rest of the time it was hit and miss. seems if your skin is too dry it doesn't read well, but add a bit moisture and it works perfectly. guess it has something to do with the technology in the new sensor using vibration instead of imaging.
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Yes, lick your finger everytime you want it to work in the midst of a pandemic that seems to be spread by the virus getting transmitted from the hands to the face everytime you touch it...
You can also try this - https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/themes/fingerprint-speed-hack-t4071893
No need to lick fingers now...
Excellent advice from ultramag69, this mostly solved my problem, but I'm not happy with Samsung, This problem should not happen on such an expensive device from a famous brand
kimtiti said:
Excellent advice from ultramag69, this mostly solved my problem, but I'm not happy with Samsung, This problem should not happen on such an expensive device from a famous brand
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The other advice I've found is to set up multiple finger prints with the same finger (you can usually set 5 fingerprints). This will improve the hit rate of the fingerprint sensor...
ultramag69 said:
The other advice I've found is to set up multiple finger prints with the same finger (you can usually set 5 fingerprints). This will improve the hit rate of the fingerprint sensor...
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Yes it's maximum 4 on this device, it helps a little also
Hi,
Do you have cases when the fingerprint wont unlock the phone (until 5 failures are reached)
This happens to me every now and then and is quite annoying. I don't have a screen protector and have disabled battery optimization for biometrics. Wondering whether to bring the phone for repair.
Did you update to ATE6? If not, please do.
Also try to re-add your fingerprints again, i found that speed and quality of fp sensor depends on how "good" you scanned your fp-s.
Another trick is to press harder when scanning and unlocking (which also works).
Yes, I am on ATE6. Will renroll fp to see.
The issue that I've noticed what it could be is the scanner is always active. The problem I face is when I pull the phone out of my pocket I've reached my attempts and have to use my pin.
In the case of the other post, just add 2 of the same finger. My thumb and pointer are in it twice each
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The issue that I've noticed what it could be is the scanner is always active. The problem I face is when I pull the phone out of my pocket I've reached my attempts and have to use my pin.
In the case of the other post, just add 2 of the same finger. My thumb and pointer are in it twice each
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I don't have this experience with pulling out of the pocket. Added the finger again and now I am trying to train myself how to press harder and hold the finger patiently until it unlocks.
Adding same finger twice solved this problem for me, when adding second time make sure to scan your finger in different angles, almost like youre trying to miss scanner
S20 here. New tip. I think ultrasonic fingerprint reader is located slightly off-center to the left, so when adding and scanning your fingerprints, aim slightly left.
I discovered this yesterday while cleaning the screen under a bright table lamp, I noticed that you can actually see exact reader's location, where it is bonded to the screen underneath it. I assumed it's not visible.
Reader appears to be letterbox shaped, length around 1.6, width around 0.7 centimeters.
When you turn the screen on, fingerprint icon is located in the center of the screen, you can almost fit another icon next to it to the left, to represent reader's length.
Combined with other tips, some also mentioned by the users above, I rarely have to scan twice now, three times tops. Before I often ran out of allowed number of attempts and had to enter password. Still not perfect or super consistent, but much better. Soo..
Main tips:
• When adding and scanning your fingerprints, aim slightly left. Always keep reader's shape and position in mind. Turn off your screen, and examine it under bright desk lamp, to determine exact reader's shape and location.
• Register your thumb two times for each hand, while rotating your phone (slowly from portrait to landscape, back, and beyond until phone hits space between your thumb and index finger) and move thumb slightly towards finger's bend point and then towards fingertip (do it all over something soft in case you drop it while rotating).
• After you added your fingerprints, lock and unlock your phone multiple times (let's say 10 times) using each hand before you decide if doing it all over is necessary. Maybe even keep it for a day, see if phone manages to optimize data, or maybe you will get used to positioning your fingers in a certain way.
• Make sure to moisturize your hands, noticed scanner struggles with dry skin.
• You may also try to register both left and right thumbs (or other fingers) at the same time, this may speed up unlock, though not sure how secure this is.
• Don't hold your finger for too long, simply firmly tap and lift, phone should unlock.
I would try extra sensitive screen setting in display and try re register fp again.
I've heard some registering same finger twice but I don't really have any fp issues after disabling optimization of the biometrics apk
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I would try extra sensitive screen setting in display and try re register fp again.
I've heard some registering same finger twice but I don't really have any fp issues after disabling optimization of the biometrics apk
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I remember having Touch Sensitivity alway set to on, believe it helped with gaming a bit, but found it had little or no effect on fingerprint reading, was constantly running out of attempts, and was forced to enter password, which is very inconvenient when you're in a public place. But I think it's still worth a try, maybe on S20's that option is somehow interconnected with fingerprint scanner, and boosts something in it as well, but I personally noticed no improvement.
Disabling battery usage optimization for "com.samsung.android.biometrics.app.setting" in "Optimise battery usage", did not improve recognition. I think you should still do it, as it can reduce occasional delay, but if you're using your phone all the time, locking and unlocking, etc, and having reader problems, this will not improve recognition. When it says no match (press harder, cover entire sensor, etc), it means software and scanner are working and reading your fingerprints, but failing to match patterns, so disabling optimization will not improve anything in this scenario. You should delete and try adding your fingerprints again.
Now, after registering same finger twice I noticed immediate improvement in recognition, and looking online for different tips of how you should hold your phone while adding fingerprints, was able to improve recognition even further.
Along with tips mentioned in my previous post, I now rarely have to go beyond two attempts.
Maybe this improvement also has to do with us instinctively learning what works and what doesn't.
Maybe this also has to do with finger size, skin (space between and width of friction ridges), and skin type (dry, oily, etc), that's why we have so many mixed reports. Also hygiene. I noticed with excessive hand washing, number of successful recognitions decreased, even with well moisturized hands.
In conclusion I'll say there is definitely room for improvement here, maybe larger more powerful ultrasonic readers are the answer, maybe better software. Because even with all the tips and tricks, it's not perfect, at least in my experience.
Oh, almost forgot, that factory screen protector has to go. Better fingerprint reading and much better picture quality without it.
And of course, make sure all the latest updates are installed, to all the people who just got their phone out of the box.
I typically enroll 4 of the same finger. I only use my right thumb and really haven't had any issues. I have the WhiteStone Dome glass installed. I have increased touch sensitivity turned on.
Using a poly screen protector with only two registered finger. Working perfectly with absolute zero issue.