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G4 bootloop: LG officially admits hardware fault, will repair affected devices

Hello, good news!
LG finally admits the problem. Then it will be easier for us to have our devices repaired/replaced! :highfive:
Some of you already shared links on several topics related to bootloop, I think it's better to create a new topic about it, as I wrote an article too for french customers
English: http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-admits-g4-bootloop-problem-hardware-fault-669603/ (official statement)
French: http://www.gamergen.com/actualites/...engage-remplacer-unites-defectueuses-269974-1
For european customers/people who bough it from UE reseller, no worries:
bel57 said:
P.S. furthermore, European Union stipulate under directive 1999/44/CE that it allows users to modify the software, root included. This modification *DOES NOT* void minimum warranty of 2 years on hardware supported by the manufacturer.
Voided warranty by "illegal" software modification has been classed as an unfair term and it's fought by U.E.
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Sources
https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
http://www.bitdefender.com/security...nty-in-eu-but-opens-new-ways-for-malware.html
Already discussed here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
EDIT: check out Svartsyn333 feedback
Svartsyn333 said:
Just called them and it's on its way back, should arrive within the next few hours! They told me it got repaired and all is fine. Owner check went through IMEI so no problem with forgetting to add the invoice, too. And no problem with unlocked bootloader and root either! I'm a happy girl now. I will come back here when it arrived and tell if they just repaired it or if I got a new device.
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EDIT2: Ok guys, I *finally* got my G4 back.
LG PROJECT P1 (H815 - LG G4)
IMEI changed
S/N 505x => 602x
Repair: SWAP motherboard, software update (20D)

But would we all be subjected to the warranty? Otherwise it's not different from before.
At this point it seems like they just realized what the problem is after wrongly sending back a few units as 'repaired' even though it's still having issues.

"Customers who purchased their G4 devices from non-carrier retailers should contact an LG Service Center with the understanding that warranty conditions will differ. "
If you purchased your G4 from a third party website/eBay, it's more difficult to get your warranty recognized.. best is buying it via carrier, LG official store and recognized sellers.

Are they also going to apply the fix during the production of newer LG G4s? because if not, it sounds like all lg g4 will experience the bootloop sooner or later and will only repair it after it has happened

Yes, no detailed information about it, but it seems that they already changed the production process weeks ago and they're just late to communicate on the identification of this breakdown.

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"Customers who purchased their G4 devices from non-carrier retailers should contact an LG Service Center with the understanding that warranty conditions will differ. "
If you purchased your G4 from a third party website/eBay, it's more difficult to get your warranty recognized.. best is buying it via carrier, LG official store and recognized sellers.
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"For in warranty repair service, you must include a copy of the proof of purchase inside the product packaging returned to the LG Product Repair Center."

Well, I can't see any problem here. You need the original invoice, that's uuuh.. normal?

I just bought the g4 and sadly discovered that my S/N started with 505. Thanks god i did not unlock the bootloader. But I really want to unlock it to install custom rom. I'm thinking of sending my device to LG even if i didn't have the bootloop yet so i'll be sure not to get it after unlocking the bootloader and then having LG not repairing my phone. What do you think ?

Just use it and stop worrying, your device may not be broken as ours.. and no, you can't leave it to repair if it doesn't have the bootloop thing.

So where are all those people now who always wanted to prove not many people are being affected or it's a common thing to have problems when they first come in the market???? I wanna see their faces... I had to hear lots of things when I started writing about it. People made me believe maybe I am the only one annoying the surreal sound of the community. It makes me so happy to see this day which I was crying out loud to happen for so long.
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I had to hear lots of things when I started writing about it.
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I feel you, bro. I went through all pages of your topic. It's a worldwide issue and it's a shame LG is so late to admit this problem. Well, finally you're right, our posts, our thoughts.. all paid off. Thanks mate.
Often when people are not concerned they tend to underestimate facts.. and this proves too much units are faulty.

bel57 said:
I feel you, bro. I went through all pages of your topic. It's a worldwide issue and it's a shame LG is so late to admit this problem. Well, finally you're right, our posts, our thoughts.. all paid off. Thanks mate.
Often when people are not concerned they tend to underestimate facts.. and this proves too much units are faulty.
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Thanks man.... Hopefully me and all the other suffered will have our devices repaired. Best of luck for all of us.
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spartan268 said:
But would we all be subjected to the warranty? Otherwise it's not different from before.
At this point it seems like they just realized what the problem is after wrongly sending back a few units as 'repaired' even though it's still having issues.
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Yah, what "warrenty will differ" means, needs to be cleared out.
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Wish you all good luck in this initiative. As for me, I'll go to carrier shop tomorrow to get a spare unit. :good:

Good to see this thread. My phone just died this night and since then is constantly hanging at boot screen. No access to recovery and download mode, no recognition by the computer (only a few seconds, then it restarts and gets disconnected) so no kdz flash via flash tool either. Just sent out a repair request to LG. Now fingers crossed it falls under warranty as I unlocked the bootloader. I purchased it in June and this is clearly of one of the first produced series which has the hardware defect, s/n starts with 505.

Don't worry, LG must repair this harware issue, no matter if BL is unlocked or not.
If you want to wipe or recover your data, try the freezer method. It works.

nipun1110 said:
So where are all those people now who always wanted to prove not many people are being affected or it's a common thing to have problems when they first come in the market???? I wanna see their faces... I had to hear lots of things when I started writing about it. People made me believe maybe I am the only one annoying the surreal sound of the community. It makes me so happy to see this day which I was crying out loud to happen for so long.
Sent from my LG-H815 using Tapatalk
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A lot of these 'people' don't really care or look into things until it happens to them.
Then all of a sudden there up in arms being your friend about the issue. It really only took a two second google search to see how widespread this is. On reddit there's a constant stream of bootloop posts if that's not enough proof.
Now? It's just crickets from the ones who were so keen on shooting this off as a small 'problem'. foh

bel57 said:
Don't worry, LG must repair this harware issue, no matter if BL is unlocked or not.
If you want to wipe or recover your data, try the freezer method. It works.
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I have a backup on the sd card from just a few days ago. I was aware something is wrong as it started to have charging issues, so I made one to better be safe than sorry.

Good idea :good:
Unfortunately mine freeze too fast, I just had time to retrieve my data then wipe all via recovery.. now it's sent for repair.. :crying:

But I can't do anything before this issue occurs? My s/n also starts with 505...My only chance is to keep fingers crossed?:fingers-crossed:

Yo don't complain as your phone is working great, just enjoy it and keep in mind to backup your data to microSD/computer. There's a small percentage that it will brake one day.
I remember mine overheated few times, and it may have broke a hardware component.
If there's nothing to report on your device, then you don't have to worry.

Cant find a straight answer is 510 serial safe from bootloop

No one can answer this. All of you that have had 510 serials please give feedback
So far we got confirmed. Please post all your bootlooped serials here so we can have a dedicated thread to lessen the confusion
505
506
510

No
602 and above will safe
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602 and above will safe
Sent from my LG-H818 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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So where is the source where you get that?
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TheMadScientist420 said:
No one can answer this. All of you that have had 510 serials please give feedback
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I have 510 and its perfect not a single issue. since 9 months

TheMadScientist420 said:
No one can answer this. All of you that have had 510 serials please give feedback
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Why? Nobody knows what serials are affected or the extent of the problem. Keep daily backups (as you should be doing anyway) and worry about it if it bootloops. Here's a hint - it probably wont.
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I don't believe this at all. 602 was basically the newest revision anyone could quote at the time that LG "Acknowledged" there was a fault.
There have been reports of 603 units with the problem somewhere. (On either Reddit or this forum, can't remember where)
Given the way that LG are handling warranty claims and not honouring repairs for boot looped devices which are rooted or bootloader unlocked.
I think its way more likely that LG have just realised that most devices seem to take around 6 to 9 months before they fail, its easy to cost manage the issue by swapping them all around with minimal repairs until all warranties have expired.
I doubt they are making any new G4's now that the G5 is out. They will be hoping everyone who has a failed device with no repair options will just upgrade to the G5.
Those of which move to other suppliers would be considered acceptable losses.

OllieD said:
I don't believe this at all. 602 was basically the newest revision anyone could quote at the time that LG "Acknowledged" there was a fault.
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LG has never acknowledged anything.
No need when they already replace any faulty device under warranty. Can't get a warranty then look for another device that comes with one.
Given the way that LG are handling warranty claims and not honouring repairs for boot looped devices which are rooted or bootloader unlocked.
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If its bootlooping how can they even tell whehter its rooted or bootlooped. I've read accounts where they've replaced motherboards and returned the device.
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No one can answer this. All of you that have had 510 serials please give feedback
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I've got one, no problems.
Its dual sim and the number of people with dual sim i find complaining about boot loops is minuscule. Mostly the single sim lot. I'll take my chances.
Guess what, if mine goes south, i use warranty. If no warranty left, i'll buy another G4 with warranty at half the price i paid when it launched.
What am i going to do with those leather backs and cases otherwise

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LG has never acknowledged anything.
No need when they already replace any faulty device under warranty. Can't get a warranty then look for another device that comes with one.
If its bootlooping how can they even tell whehter its rooted or bootlooped. I've read accounts where they've replaced motherboards and returned the device.
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The never officially acknowledged anything hence the quotes.
They unofficially confirmed to android authority that there was a problem here:
http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-admits-g4-bootloop-problem-hardware-fault-669603/
Unlocking the device requires submitting the IMEI/DeviceID to LG which they can use as a warranty blacklist.
AFAIK an unlocked device advertises its unlocked status on the bootloader which is visible before the boot-loop occurs.
LG have a root checking service called RCT which logs the date and time of any root related files/binaries to the /persist partition and I believe it also sets a flag in an RCT partition.
It builds a log file of which exact root elements it has seen eg su binaries/ busybox binaries forbidden file extensions and the date/time it detected the latest one of these elements.
Simply enter the hidden menu and find the RCT option to see your devices status.
LG can simply disable the faulty cores on a boot-looping device and check any/all of these.
The best way to hide root that I have read on here is to fry the motherboard by applying 24v to the battery contacts. If LG did refuse to warranty though you have absolutely no chance of recovering from that.

OllieD said:
The best way to hide root that I have read on here is to fry the motherboard by applying 24v to the battery contacts.
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Is there no way for them to detect this ?

One Twelve said:
Is there no way for them to detect this ?
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Nothing is undetectable.... The post I read this idea from suggested that this forced the device into the Qualcomm recovery mode (most likely the flash chip can not handle the 24v but the lower level hardware can).
Given that the source of the problem is a faulty solder connection to the flash chip. this advances the problem past the faulty connection stage to the completely disconnected/shorted flash memory stage.
If they cannot boot/read the flash memory chip at all they have no way to prove you rooted. providing you didn't unlock your bootloader.
Obviously if you push it too much, physical damage like burn marks would be a giveaway of foul play.
I read one user had been denied warranty due to oxidation on the mainboard... given the faulty soldering and thermal issues this could cause oxidation/residue on the mainboard.
Another user was refused warranty because a warranty sticker was not present on one of the screws of his device. (This concerns me because my device has no such visible stickers)
I personally have a 506 device tied to a 24month upgrade contract that I started in Feb, I usually bootloader unlock and root within hours of unboxing but read about this issue first and have kept my device stock.
I'm hoping I do not get a boot-loop but think its a matter of when rather than if.

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If they cannot boot/read the flash memory chip at all they have no way to prove you rooted. providing you didn't unlock your bootloader.
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If you're not on a euro G4 BL unlock isn't possible to begin with.
Obviously if you push it too much, physical damage like burn marks would be a giveaway of foul play.
I read one user had been denied warranty due to oxidation on the mainboard... given the faulty soldering and thermal issues this could cause oxidation/residue on the mainboard.
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Right, this is what i was hinting at. You have to be desperate to try something like this which could end up forfeiting everything.
Another user was refused warranty because a warranty sticker was not present on one of the screws of his device. (This concerns me because my device has no such visible stickers)
I personally have a 506 device tied to a 24month upgrade contract that I started in Feb, I usually bootloader unlock and root within hours of unboxing but read about this issue first and have kept my device stock.
I'm hoping I do not get a boot-loop but think its a matter of when rather than if.
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if you're on a contract then you're covered for the 24 months. Nothing to worry about.
yes there is no root. That unfortunately is the situation we are in, every brand has some unnecessary drawback or other.

Well unfort i got a sprint varient but no longer with sprint. Im sure lg wont fix mine if it did happen. I cracked my digitizer about 2 days ago so now the phone has its first sign of damage. And knowing lgs good for nothin high and mighty butts theyll tell me thats what did the boot loop. And for them hoping ill upgrade yea rite never again. Ive been using my old internation edition note 1. Just because its rooted and custom recovery. Id rather go old skool than deal with lg any more.

Plus i thermal paste every device ive owned back since my og evo 4g. So theyll know ive been in mine.

Also as for the waranty sticker mine didnt have one either

Just saw on the russian 4pda, 510 failed with bootloop as well
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=670897&view=findpost&p=49696004

undef1ned said:
Just saw on the russian 4pda, 510 failed with bootloop as well
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=670897&view=findpost&p=49696004
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Have been wondering about the Russians as they have dual sim as well.
Do they have any poll to see which Russian devices had boot loop problems by serial#

One Twelve said:
Have been wondering about the Russians as they have dual sim as well.
Do they have any poll to see which Russian devices had boot loop problems by serial#
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The poll was there, but was removed 2 weeks ago, possibly new one will be back. Some ppl participated and answered that they don't have a bootloop, but later they had to change their vote and that was not possible... I don't remember the numbers, but the problem is also available on H818, many people go to the Service with it
BTW, in Russia / Ukraine only 1 year of warranty, so it's going to be interesting soon Mine was bought in Poland, bootlooped, now in service

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The poll was there, but was removed 2 weeks ago, possibly new one will be back. Some ppl participated and answered that they don't have a bootloop, but later they had to change their vote and that was not possible... I don't remember the numbers, but the problem is also available on H818, many people go to the Service with it
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It will be interesting if it starts again. I wonder why they removed it. Should have left it as is.
From the poll here, the ratio of devices with bootloop is highest with 505, fewer with 506 then keeps getting lower as the months go on. Yes there are some that have a problem but we don't know how many don't have a problem. They are quietly happy
BTW, in Russia / Ukraine only 1 year of warranty, so it's going to be interesting soon
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1 year warranty in India too. 30k G4's imported. Number of Indians who complain about bootloop on xda ? can't find any. Why.
There have been other issues with earlier models, screen problems. One guy had the phone die. he said not bootloop.
Hong kong is another and Indonesia but again they say like you many, there is some noise for a month then it goes quiet.
But the single sim thread it never goes quiet.
Mine was bought in Poland, bootlooped, now in service
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yes i noticed it was a 506.

As time goes on ill try to add all confirmed bootloop serials in post 1

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Just saw on the russian 4pda, 510 failed with bootloop as well
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=670897&view=findpost&p=49696004
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With the help of google translate did a search on the LG section for the word 'butlup' (short for butlupnikov ) in cyrillic and found about 24 reports.
There is no pattern, only half of those 24 mention the serial#. Some earlier serials 505, 506, 507and some more recent ones 510, 601etc. The impression you would get is any number can bootloop which isn't what we found here.
Agree with what sergei says here.
In general, a matter of luck, like in any other phone. There is more panic, which somehow affects people. I, too, this fact forced to think about the choice of an alternative, but I did not find one, considering the price and characteristics. A camera for me is probably the most important point. None of the phone for the same price no camera, even close similar to G4 camera. The only option may be a Galaxy S7 / S7Edge. But twice the cost (comparing with G4 price) immediately makes to abandon its purchase.
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Stay on G4 or move to OnePlus 3?

Guys, how do you think?
I have my G4 (S/N 512), camera is perfect, CPU is good, screen is excellent.
I don't care about updates, but I love Cyanogenmod, clean Android etc. I want to mod my phone, personalize it in every way I can. Unfortunelly I can't with locked bootloader. I could just unlock it, but I'm aware of bootloop. When it'll happen my phone will be just paper clip. So I'm thinking. The OP3 is near. OnePlus got great terms of guarantee. But still, I'm kinda in love with G4. I jumped from SGS3 to it. So it was my designed phone.
Anyway, what do you think? Will my phone brick? Move to OP3?

Stay until you get the bootloop (as you expect). It is kinda risk now to jump over to OP3. I know the rumoured specs are good but you wont loose by waiting a bit for some few reviews

lol op?Support epic joke.

Which serial number is your phone? I have a 510 device and i believe those are safe from the bootloop issue because those have the v1.1 motherboard. I unlocked the bootloader on mine because of this and it has been quite nice with CyanogenMod 13. However, like yourself i'm debating whether to upgrade the phone later this year. I don't 'hate' the G4, in fact it's a nice phone with a fantastic camera, screen and good performance. But there's something about it that i don't like, i bet this sounds stupid but it's just such a boring phone, honestly. Before this i had the OnePlus One and that felt like something genuinely special, and i kinda wish i'd stuck with that instead of buying the G4.
I doubt i'll go back to another OnePlus device because of their shocking customer service, if you end up with a bad device then it seems like you're gonna be ****ed for a few months. There was one person on Reddit who sent his phone back in February and still hasn't received it as of yesterday, like what the hell is that about. I'm going to wait and see what the new Nexus devices are like in about three months, i think that's the way forward for me because it would be nice to have a device which receives updates quicker than anything else, and always stays on top with the vast developmental community behind it. Only problem with those is the price and lack of a memory card slot, but we'll have to see what happens, maybe the prices will be a little more affordable this time to compete with the OP3 and similar devices.

What about Moto Z Force, if it's not only for US market? Depends on the price of course.

I just upgraded from my G3 to a factory refurb G4 and so far I really like it all except for the issue where you cannot wake up the phone by double tapping the screen like 99% of the time. There's supposed to be a way to upgrade the lg keyboard app unless you are, like myself, on Verizon in which case they so graciously removed all the useful settings menu items such as app upgrades, etc...

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Which serial number is your phone? I have a 510 device and i believe those are safe from the bootloop issue because those have the v1.1 motherboard. I unlocked the bootloader on mine because of this and it has been quite nice with CyanogenMod 13. However, like yourself i'm debating whether to upgrade the phone later this year. I don't 'hate' the G4, in fact it's a nice phone with a fantastic camera, screen and good performance. But there's something about it that i don't like, i bet this sounds stupid but it's just such a boring phone, honestly. Before this i had the OnePlus One and that felt like something genuinely special, and i kinda wish i'd stuck with that instead of buying the G4.
I doubt i'll go back to another OnePlus device because of their shocking customer service, if you end up with a bad device then it seems like you're gonna be ****ed for a few months. There was one person on Reddit who sent his phone back in February and still hasn't received it as of yesterday, like what the hell is that about. I'm going to wait and see what the new Nexus devices are like in about three months, i think that's the way forward for me because it would be nice to have a device which receives updates quicker than anything else, and always stays on top with the vast developmental community behind it. Only problem with those is the price and lack of a memory card slot, but we'll have to see what happens, maybe the prices will be a little more affordable this time to compete with the OP3 and similar devices.
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i have 601 how do i know what MB version i have?

If you want to hear my opinion for new phones:
Wait 1/2 to 1 year. Why?
• You know, if the phone will get its love by devs.
• It's also much cheaper.
• Many little hardware-bugs will probably be fixed.
3 good reasons to wait. New != better. Sad new world, I know. Except it's a Nexus: Same price until new one is released, same hardware - but devs will love it .

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i have 601 how do i know what MB version i have?
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There should be a sticker on the inside of the box which states the serial number and has the motherboard version at the end in closed brackets. But as your phone is 601, it will have the updated motherboard and so you're safe from the bootloop problems.

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There should be a sticker on the inside of the box which states the serial number and has the motherboard version at the end in closed brackets. But as your phone is 601, it will have the updated motherboard and so you're safe from the bootloop problems.
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thanks ill check it out.. but theres still people reporting bootloops even with 603. ??
i have it bootloader locked just in case. i own tmobile h811..

I think I am *very* close to going with the OnePlus 3. Just need a little more review/confirmation to make the jump.

Considering OP3 already has a CM13 build going and kernel sources out, I'd honestly get rid of the G4 while its still worth something. I would've done the same thing if it weren't for the fact my piece of garbage G4 decided to bootloop literally days before the OP3 release.

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I just upgraded from my G3 to a factory refurb G4 and so far I really like it all except for the issue where you cannot wake up the phone by double tapping the screen like 99% of the time. There's supposed to be a way to upgrade the lg keyboard app unless you are, like myself, on Verizon in which case they so graciously removed all the useful settings menu items such as app upgrades, etc...
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My double tap to wake used to work great. Then I got bootloop issue, had phone repaired from LG, and double tap to wake basically NEVER works. Not sure if it'd be worth a FDR or what.

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Considering OP3 already has a CM13 build going and kernel sources out, I'd honestly get rid of the G4 while its still worth something. I would've done the same thing if it weren't for the fact my piece of garbage G4 decided to bootloop literally days before the OP3 release.
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Mine bootlooped friday and I'm going to get the OP3 in the next few days. I'm trying to get my G4 repaired, if LG dont do it then I'll use my insurance to have it replaced. I plan on using the time I have without it to see how I lkthe OP3. If I like it, I'll sell the G4, if not, I'll sell the OP3.
I've read a lot of bad things about OP3's support, but in trying to get my G4 repaired, it can't be much worse than LG's (edit: since I made this comment, I've been on LG Chat on their website with a really helpful guy called Carl who's said my phone is covered with a 2 year warranty and they will fix it - much better than the cookie cutter email response team).

No removable battery on the OP3. They claim to charge their phone to 100% in 45 minutes. The G4 can be at 100% in about 3 minutes from shutoff to reboot with a fresh battery installed. I love my G4.

I loved my G4 till it stopped working and LG refuse to fix it because rooting voids the warranty.

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There should be a sticker on the inside of the box which states the serial number and has the motherboard version at the end in closed brackets. But as your phone is 601, it will have the updated motherboard and so you're safe from the bootloop problems.
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This statement is false and very dangerous for users. All smartphones, even with S/N starting with 60x are prone to bootloop problem. I have my LG G4 with v1.1 motherboard, S/N 602 and guess what happened to it...

Eumiro said:
This statement is false and very dangerous for users. All smartphones, even with S/N starting with 60x are prone to bootloop problem. I have my LG G4 with v1.1 motherboard, S/N 602 and guess what happened to it...
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Well, that's news to me. When i bought my G4 in December the bootloop problem had already become widely known, and i did extensive research into it on XDA and other websites, but at the time all 510 and 511 devices were deemed to be completely safe. If those devices were affected by the bootloop problem then i wouldn't have even considered buying it.

Eumiro said:
This statement is false and very dangerous for users. All smartphones, even with S/N starting with 60x are prone to bootloop problem. I have my LG G4 with v1.1 motherboard, S/N 602 and guess what happened to it...
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LOL, there are even cases of the new G5 bootlooping. LG has become such a joke. And it's a shame because the G4 would've been a perfect phone if they had caught the bootlooping and image retention issues while testing it.

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LOL, there are even cases of the new G5 bootlooping. LG has become such a joke. And it's a shame because the G4 would've been a perfect phone if they had caught the bootlooping and image retention issues while testing it.
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i don't see any report of lg g5 bootlooping .

Nexus 5x boot loop issues shoud i be worried that mine will do the same ?

Hello guys i've been seeing a lot of boot loop news and lg starting to refund people because they don't have spare parts : http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/...offering-refunds-instead-of-replacements.aspx .
So should I be worried that my 5x will boot loop ? I've been using it for 2 months now on 7.0 september update .

just yesterday happened to mine!

Did you try to fix it or got it refunded under warranty ? Also rooted or stock with update ?

Hi, i guess that nobody could know that, but the problem seems to be the same as LG G4, LG V10, LG Flex 2 (all 2015 devices with almost the same motherboard that the Nexus 5x). You can search on the web "bootloop G4 reddit" "nexus 5x bootloop reddit" and you will find tons of reports, the majority of them (N5x) from last 3 months, and this holds the theory that is a welding issue on the CPU or sometimes on the EMMC chip (apparently LG did not weld very well that year...). The mentioned devices (included ours) seem to last from 9 to 14 months and finally the welding breaks. But now, we know it's strictly a HARDWARE issue NOT caused by 7.0 upgrade, irt's only a question of coincidence between the useful life of the weld and the launch of the 7.0 OTA.
So we all got very high possibilities that this occurs to our devices, eventually. I'm not sure that this is gonna happen to you, it really dependes of many many many factors (heavy usage, kernel profiles, temperature of your country/city/house/workplace, etc etc).
Maybe it never happens to you, but i know what you feel, is not very nice to feel that your phone could die in any moment. It was a low punch for me (i owned a G4 and it bootlooped twice) anyway i am going to sell my N5x due to this problem. Hope i help you with my point of view.

It is solder not weld.
Only Google/LG know how widespread the problem is on 5x.
My guess is it is far more than normally expected for phones but nowhere near as prevalent as posts on forums might make it seem.
So normally you might expect .01% of these types of solder problems. If the problem went up 100x to 1% and you sold 3m phones, that means 30,000 phones with the problem, whereas before you might only see 300.
30,000 people searching google and seeing other people posting about bootloop can start a panic.
If you actually had 10, 20, 30% of people with this problem you would have huge threads.
That's just my opinion.

sfhub said:
It is solder not weld.
Only Google/LG know how widespread the problem is on 5x.
My guess is it is far more than normally expected for phones but nowhere near as prevalent as posts on forums might make it seem.
So normally you might expect .01% of these types of solder problems. If the problem went up 100x to 1% and you sold 3m phones, that means 30,000 phones with the problem, whereas before you might only see 300.
30,000 people searching google and seeing other people posting about bootloop can start a panic.
If you actually had 10, 20, 30% of people with this problem you would have huge threads.
That's just my opinion.
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If you said "It is solder not weld." for me, thanks i didn't know the correct word, english is not my native language (I only learn reading on forums), so i see that you know (or it seems) about solder problems. Look i had two LG G4 both of them die, but not just mine even a cousin had the same issue whit his G4, so i really want to know if you think that the 5x soldering problem is a similar case of high-end 2015 LG Phones G4/V10/FLEX2 (of that magnitude)? or if it's just a "paranoia", i mean we know that the bootlooping issue on this device exists but you would recommend me (i really like this phone) to keep it?
This issue got me really worried due to my bad experiencie with the G4. I just bought the N5x 1 month ago. thank you.

same question how to know if my phone will bootloop...i have my nexus 5x 5 week ago but i bay it not new i bay it used...i upgrade to android nougat no issus right now..ho to know if i will have a probleme in the future iam afraid now

moonlightdrive said:
i see that you know (or it seems) about solder problems. Look i had two LG G4 both of them die, but not just mine even a cousin had the same issue whit his G4, so i really want to know if you think that the 5x soldering problem is a similar case of high-end 2015 LG Phones G4/V10/FLEX2 (of that magnitude)? or if it's just a "paranoia", i mean we know that the bootlooping issue on this device exists but you would recommend me (i really like this phone) to keep it?
This issue got me really worried due to my bad experiencie with the G4. I just bought the N5x 1 month ago. thank you.
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I've been dealing with substandard solder since xbox RROD (red ring of death) where everyone was trying to get their xbox cpu reballed until microsoft admitted the problem.
As I mentioned, I'm sure the incident on 5x is much higher than normal phones, but that might still be a low % (even though it is a relatively high absolute # because of the # of phones that are sold)
I have no idea whether 5x is worse, better, or same as G4 problem. G4 seemed even higher, but could be because more phones were sold. Only LG knows for sure.
A lot of folks in US are finding that their credit card actually extends their warranty beyond manufacturers warranty and people will probably get their money back that way if all else fails.
Of course that doesn't help you if you are traveling and the phone dies. I end up using Google Fi as the service provider for this phone, so if that happened I could just shift all the calls and texts to another phone or tablet and keep going until I get a replacement phone, so I'm not super worried.
I regularly back up the stuff on my phone so the most I would lose is like 1 or 2 days of stuff, which I can deal with.
Personally I wouldn't be super worried this is going to happen to you, but be prepared with backups in case it does, but that is good practice for any phone, because it could always get stolen or drop and break.

Tarbruh said:
Hello guys i've been seeing a lot of boot loop news and lg starting to refund people because they don't have spare parts : http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/...offering-refunds-instead-of-replacements.aspx .
So should I be worried that my 5x will boot loop ? I've been using it for 2 months now on 7.0 september update .
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I got my 5X a month ago.... I figure it has a 1 yr warranty so I am not too worried yet.... Lets hope if it happens it does it in the next 11 months

please someone tell me how to know if my phone nexus 5x will have bootloop.i bay this phone not new but used .i bay it from a shop he tell me is from usa and me from morroco.i dont have any paper of warranty or something like this i just have the phone...if the bootloop issus touch my phone what can i do?i have the warranty or not???i dont have mony to buy a new phone please help me

znayver said:
please someone tell me how to know if my phone nexus 5x will have bootloop.i bay this phone not new but used .i bay it from a shop he tell me is from usa and me from morroco.i dont have any paper of warranty or something like this i just have the phone...if the bootloop issus touch my phone what can i do?i have the warranty or not???i dont have mony to buy a new phone please help me
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Well from what I know if you don't have warranty paper then you can't get warranty by just showing the phone . Its not a 100% chance that it will boot loop I think , but if your not safe with it I suggest selling it working rather than looking for help when broken . Thats just my point of view .

moonlightdrive said:
Hi, i guess that nobody could know that, but the problem seems to be the same as LG G4, LG V10, LG Flex 2 (all 2015 devices with almost the same motherboard that the Nexus 5x). You can search on the web "bootloop G4 reddit" "nexus 5x bootloop reddit" and you will find tons of reports, the majority of them (N5x) from last 3 months, and this holds the theory that is a welding issue on the CPU or sometimes on the EMMC chip (apparently LG did not weld very well that year...). The mentioned devices (included ours) seem to last from 9 to 14 months and finally the welding breaks. But now, we know it's strictly a HARDWARE issue NOT caused by 7.0 upgrade, irt's only a question of coincidence between the useful life of the weld and the launch of the 7.0 OTA.
So we all got very high possibilities that this occurs to our devices, eventually. I'm not sure that this is gonna happen to you, it really dependes of many many many factors (heavy usage, kernel profiles, temperature of your country/city/house/workplace, etc etc).
Maybe it never happens to you, but i know what you feel, is not very nice to feel that your phone could die in any moment. It was a low punch for me (i owned a G4 and it bootlooped twice) anyway i am going to sell my N5x due to this problem. Hope i help you with my point of view.
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Well I think i have the same point of view to sell the phone working rather that having a paper holder . At least for me its the most logical thing to do maybe the chance isn't high for it to happen but I am not secure with a tought that my phone could die + im a heavy user so i migh make it to the boot loop faster .

Tarbruh said:
Well from what I know if you don't have warranty paper then you can't get warranty by just showing the phone . Its not a 100% chance that it will boot loop I think , but if your not safe with it I suggest selling it working rather than looking for help when broken . Thats just my point of view .
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oooh nooo is there an application or something to know if the motherboard is fine or something like this and the bootloop dont affected my device??

znayver said:
oooh nooo is there an application or something to know if the motherboard is fine or something like this and the bootloop dont affected my device??
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Well I don't know if there is or not but from what I know about the problem its random af , so I don't think there is unless only some motherboards are prone to the defect but I think it involves all , just happens randomly . Not 100% sure tho !

Tarbruh said:
Well I don't know if there is or not but from what I know about the problem its random af , so I don't think there is unless only some motherboards are prone to the defect but I think it involves all , just happens randomly . Not 100% sure tho !
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tnx for your reponse my friend

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tnx for your reponse my friend
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No worries , best of luck

Wanting to Upgrade from a G3

Hey guys,
I'm looking to upgrade from a G3, the only problem I am unsure of is the obvious bootloop problem. Is anyone still using G4's that have been working for a long time? I won't be gaming at all, the most intensive cpu task I will be doing is probably skype video calls. I really want a G4, but the bootloop problem seems like a real let down.
I was wondering if there are any G4 xda members who have followed the whole development of the bootloop problem on the forums, reddit, and everything else. I have looked at lots of stuff, but I don't really understand the progression of the issue as well as if I was watching it unfold. If someone has followed it, they probably have a better idea than I do, of the overall current situation on the bootloop issue.
I want to get a G4 because the newer phones like the G5 are starting to look pretty gross and they keep getting bigger and uglier. The G4 seems like the last good step at the moment from my trusty G3.
Cheers

Orcam said:
Hey guys,
I'm looking to upgrade from a G3, the only problem I am unsure of is the obvious bootloop problem. Is anyone still using G4's that have been working for a long time? I won't be gaming at all, the most intensive cpu task I will be doing is probably skype video calls. I really want a G4, but the bootloop problem seems like a real let down.
I was wondering if there are any G4 xda members who have followed the whole development of the bootloop problem on the forums, reddit, and everything else. I have looked at lots of stuff, but I don't really understand the progression of the issue as well as if I was watching it unfold. If someone has followed it, they probably have a better idea than I do, of the overall current situation on the bootloop issue.
I want to get a G4 because the newer phones like the G5 are starting to look pretty gross and they keep getting bigger and uglier. The G4 seems like the last good step at the moment from my trusty G3.
Cheers
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1. Buy a model which can be unlocked (like the h815 international)
2. Ensure that the serial starts with 603 or higher (604,605...) best is to ensure it was not refurbished (e.g. motherboard replaced)
3. Ensure you will have warranty for at least 1 year
4. Do a regular backup once you've received your device
I own 2 models with serial 60x since 1 year without any single problem and heavy usage.
I saw no single prove(!) that a non refurbished 60x serial device has got that infamous bootloop yet.
Guarantees.. you will get none. For absolute no device. That's why a valid warranty is important.
Jm5c
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steadfasterX said:
1. Buy a model which can be unlocked (like the h815 international)
2. Ensure that the serial starts with 603 or higher (604,605...) best is to ensure it was not refurbished (e.g. motherboard replaced)
3. Ensure you will have warranty for at least 1 year
4. Do a regular backup once you've received your device
I own 2 models with serial 60x since 1 year without any single problem and heavy usage.
I saw no single prove(!) that a non refurbished 60x serial device has got that infamous bootloop yet.
Guarantees.. you will get none. For absolute no device. That's why a valid warranty is important.
Jm5c
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I see. So there haven't been any boot loop reports with 60x model numbers? I thought I read somewhere that LG hadn't fixed the problem at all?
I am planning to get the international version. However I don't know about the warranty, it seems like a waste of time. If my G4 ended up bootlooping I don't really think LG can truly fix the problem under warranty anyway. Either I get a 60x G4 without a warranty and it doesn't bootloop, or I get one and it does bootloop and if I also had a warranty it would be useless since that would mean that LG hasn't actually fixed the problem at all, and is unable to. It probably also means that at this late point with the G4 being an older device, they wont be trying to fix the G4 bootloop issue either.
I just want some more people who have G4s with later model numbers to give me some faith in buying one.

I know that fixed phones by lg with warranty still having that problem. But i dont know anything about 60x series

Orcam said:
Hey guys,
I'm looking to upgrade from a G3, the only problem I am unsure of is the obvious bootloop problem. Is anyone still using G4's that have been working for a long time? I won't be gaming at all, the most intensive cpu task I will be doing is probably skype video calls. I really want a G4, but the bootloop problem seems like a real let down.
I was wondering if there are any G4 xda members who have followed the whole development of the bootloop problem on the forums, reddit, and everything else. I have looked at lots of stuff, but I don't really understand the progression of the issue as well as if I was watching it unfold. If someone has followed it, they probably have a better idea than I do, of the overall current situation on the bootloop issue.
I want to get a G4 because the newer phones like the G5 are starting to look pretty gross and they keep getting bigger and uglier. The G4 seems like the last good step at the moment from my trusty G3.
Cheers
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first i would either keep the g3 or find something else.
i havnt had a bootloop issue yet but locked bl and just the scare of knowing my device is unusable any day. puts me on edge
now i know some people arent as ocd or anal as I. but if u are any where near what i am you dont need the stress in your life. lol
its a great device i do have root just no twrp and it has lots of potential even like it is on stock rom.
im glad i got it but ive sold it 3 times now and have ended up with it back in decent shape so its most def a soldier
i dont and have never had a waranty i did a thermal paste cooling mod on mine and for all i know that paste is whats kept the solder joint from breaking.
never did actually figure out how to tel what serial num mine has but its not a refurb and it was manfacrd in 10 of 2015
some of the g4s have a flashable tot file to "fix the issue" by shutting down the damaged cores but essentially turning it into a mid ranged quad core phone which i have shut mine down and have tested iffrent lowered clock speeds and still ok. not blazing fast but works.

You could also just wait some days for the g6
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-plans-to-make-lg-g6-available-earlier-to-avoid-competition/
Sent from my LG-H815 using XDA Labs

Orcam said:
I see. So there haven't been any boot loop reports with 60x model numbers? I thought I read somewhere that LG hadn't fixed the problem at all?
I am planning to get the international version. However I don't know about the warranty, it seems like a waste of time. If my G4 ended up bootlooping I don't really think LG can truly fix the problem under warranty anyway. Either I get a 60x G4 without a warranty and it doesn't bootloop, or I get one and it does bootloop and if I also had a warranty it would be useless since that would mean that LG hasn't actually fixed the problem at all, and is unable to. It probably also means that at this late point with the G4 being an older device, they wont be trying to fix the G4 bootloop issue either.
I just want some more people who have G4s with later model numbers to give me some faith in buying one.
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if you in USA get h811 and check the list of h815 that can be unlocked if you not in usa.
6xx have bootloops i have heard of 1-2 603's so the chances are very low compared to the first one.
i have been checking the thread here and only a few 6xx

TheMadScientist420 said:
first i would either keep the g3 or find something else.
i havnt had a bootloop issue yet but locked bl and just the scare of knowing my device is unusable any day. puts me on edge
now i know some people arent as ocd or anal as I. but if u are any where near what i am you dont need the stress in your life. lol
its a great device i do have root just no twrp and it has lots of potential even like it is on stock rom.
im glad i got it but ive sold it 3 times now and have ended up with it back in decent shape so its most def a soldier
i dont and have never had a waranty i did a thermal paste cooling mod on mine and for all i know that paste is whats kept the solder joint from breaking.
never did actually figure out how to tel what serial num mine has but its not a refurb and it was manfacrd in 10 of 2015
some of the g4s have a flashable tot file to "fix the issue" by shutting down the damaged cores but essentially turning it into a mid ranged quad core phone which i have shut mine down and have tested iffrent lowered clock speeds and still ok. not blazing fast but works.
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Yeah I did read something about that core shutting down fix. So you have had yours for a year? I don't know how widespread the problem is, because most people won't go to the forums to praise a working phone. I really want to get one. But only if I can be reasonably comfortable that I am able to mod it or something to prevent a bootloop occuring. What is your use like? Do you game? I don't. It will be used lightly compared to most. I never install games.
steadfasterX said:
You could also just wait some days for the g6
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-plans-to-make-lg-g6-available-earlier-to-avoid-competition/
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Yeah I saw that too. I don't want to spend so much on a new phone. Who knows, could have an even worse hardware fault.
raptorddd said:
if you in USA get h811 and check the list of h815 that can be unlocked if you not in usa.
6xx have bootloops i have heard of 1-2 603's so the chances are very low compared to the first one.
i have been checking the thread here and only a few 6xx
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I'm not in the US so I would get a H815. So do you think the reason for less bootloops being reported is due to people not buying the device anymore? Less people have that model? Or less of the people who would come onto the internet and complain? Less of the phone geeks ended up buying later G4s because of the bootloop reports?

Orcam said:
Hey guys,
I'm looking to upgrade from a G3, the only problem I am unsure of is the obvious bootloop problem. Is anyone still using G4's that have been working for a long time? I won't be gaming at all, the most intensive cpu task I will be doing is probably skype video calls. I really want a G4, but the bootloop problem seems like a real let down.
I was wondering if there are any G4 xda members who have followed the whole development of the bootloop problem on the forums, reddit, and everything else. I have looked at lots of stuff, but I don't really understand the progression of the issue as well as if I was watching it unfold. If someone has followed it, they probably have a better idea than I do, of the overall current situation on the bootloop issue.
I want to get a G4 because the newer phones like the G5 are starting to look pretty gross and they keep getting bigger and uglier. The G4 seems like the last good step at the moment from my trusty G3.
Cheers
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i use it like a high end phone should. im not a super big gamer got the ps4 for that i d.id a writeup a while back on coverting samsung gear vr for g4 and ive done my share of vring. i use a otg cable and or blueputdroid to connect ps3 control to it for vr.
like i said i got a sprint varient which is on older firmware rooted no twrp very few modified stock roms.
i like the phone enough i busted two screens the orig and a aftermarket. btw dont ever buy from fixez.com claim oe quality its just a sheet of reg glass broke 2 weeks after i bought it 6 months ago from a scratch no bull**** no drop i ended up putting the spidered glass back on it.
the way ive eased my mind is basicly i buy sell and trade phones all the time. i have a backup i keep put up just incase.
also like i said i did do a thermal paste mod that helps cool her down.
ive sold my g3 3 times and ended up buying it back cause the people loved it so much theyve all upgraded to g5.
when and if i could i would prob buy a g5 or g6 when it comes out against my better judgment of lgs part
the selling point of a g4 is the camera manual mode takes some of the best night shots ive ever seen. days shots are killer

TheMadScientist420 said:
i use it like a high end phone should. im not a super big gamer got the ps4 for that i d.id a writeup a while back on coverting samsung gear vr for g4 and ive done my share of vring. i use a otg cable and or blueputdroid to connect ps3 control to it for vr.
like i said i got a sprint varient which is on older firmware rooted no twrp very few modified stock roms.
i like the phone enough i busted two screens the orig and a aftermarket. btw dont ever buy from fixez.com claim oe quality its just a sheet of reg glass broke 2 weeks after i bought it 6 months ago from a scratch no bull**** no drop i ended up putting the spidered glass back on it.
the way ive eased my mind is basicly i buy sell and trade phones all the time. i have a backup i keep put up just incase.
also like i said i did do a thermal paste mod that helps cool her down.
ive sold my g3 3 times and ended up buying it back cause the people loved it so much theyve all upgraded to g5.
when and if i could i would prob buy a g5 or g6 when it comes out against my better judgment of lgs part
the selling point of a g4 is the camera manual mode takes some of the best night shots ive ever seen. days shots are killer
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and no bootloop for you? Would you say it is pretty safe if you do the thermal paste mod?

Orcam said:
and no bootloop for you? Would you say it is pretty safe if you do the thermal paste mod?
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Ive not had it bootloop. Ive had it since. Jan of 2016. So ive passed the usuall 6 month bootloop period. Like i said dont know the serial. Never got a straight answer mine starts with like a 031. Or somthing. Only 50 or 60 num i got is a 508 and its in the middle of my serial. Like i said. 10 of 2015 is man date and a hardware rev of 1.1
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so everyone knows do live in vermont usa this is a medical state and i have a green card so i can grown a few plants not quite a s many as i have but i am alowed to grow for all u hecklers
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and no bootloop for you? Would you say it is pretty safe if you do the thermal paste mod?
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i posted some pics in a post or 2 back

TheMadScientist420 said:
Ive not had it bootloop. Ive had it since. Jan of 2016. So ive passed the usuall 6 month bootloop period. Like i said dont know the serial. Never got a straight answer mine starts with like a 031. Or somthing. Only 50 or 60 num i got is a 508 and its in the middle of my serial. Like i said. 10 of 2015 is man date and a hardware rev of 1.1
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So the hardware revision seems to have fixed it? I thought I read somewhere that it didn't fix it? Did LG at least make it less common?
Do you also know if this was happening to people across the board? Or was it just a few people? It's a bit risky I must say. How do you find the serial number?

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and no bootloop for you? Would you say it is pretty safe if you do the thermal paste mod?
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i personly feal the thermal paste helped may not have.
but heat is the underlying issue of the ilapo bootloop the shear heat from the cores break a cold solder joint on 2 of the cores. i thermal pasted everything i could inside ill post a link to a write up i did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-g4/general/disassemble4-g4-testin-harware-cooling-t3327640
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Orcam said:
So the hardware revision seems to have fixed it? I thought I read somewhere that it didn't fix it? Did LG at least make it less common?
Do you also know if this was happening to people across the board? Or was it just a few people? It's a bit risky I must say. How do you find the serial number?
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people say the serial num is on the box but like i said never actually found it. they said hardware rev 1.1 was suposedly good which is stamped on the side of the box not on a sticker but printed
its all across the board all carriers.
thats what i was sayin killer phone but there is risk in it i gave up a non rootable note 5 note 4 and a rooted s6 and seem to take the g4 over all due to the features of ir blaster fully funtional . camera and knock on features

TheMadScientist420 said:
i personly feal the thermal paste helped may not have.
but heat is the underlying issue of the ilapo bootloop the shear heat from the cores break a cold solder joint on 2 of the cores. i thermal pasted everything i could inside ill post a link to a write up i did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-g4/general/disassemble4-g4-testin-harware-cooling-t3327640
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people say the serial num is on the box but like i said never actually found it. they said hardware rev 1.1 was suposedly good which is stamped on the side of the box not on a sticker but printed
its all across the board all carriers.
thats what i was sayin killer phone but there is risk in it i gave up a non rootable note 5 note 4 and a rooted s6 and seem to take the g4 over all due to the features of ir blaster fully funtional . camera and knock on features
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Thats really interesting. Have you heard of anyone else warding off the bootloops with thermal paste? It seems like quite a good thing to do. It would also be good on the G3. Thing is, if I get a G4 with a warranty. I wont be able to do that. Probably best to get a second hand one and do it.
Has anyone permanently fixed their phones by resolering the chip do you know?
Thanks for all the information mate

Orcam said:
Thats really interesting. Have you heard of anyone else warding off the bootloops with thermal paste? It seems like quite a good thing to do. It would also be good on the G3. Thing is, if I get a G4 with a warranty. I wont be able to do that. Probably best to get a second hand one and do it.
Has anyone permanently fixed their phones by resolering the chip do you know?
Thanks for all the information mate
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I dont know. I know people heat em with heat guns freeze em. Put paper in behind the chips to apply pressure. I thjnk im lone wolf on this therory

G3 is not a bad phone and G4 is not a big upgrade so I am not sure why would you want to upgrade. I'm sure there are better phones out there especially with 820 SoC released 808 is getting old. I bought my G4 1 year ago mainly because it was very cheap compared to similar models from other brands but now I don't see anything why would you buy it.

Orcam said:
Yeah I did read something about that core shutting down fix. So you have had yours for a year? I don't know how widespread the problem is, because most people won't go to the forums to praise a working phone. I really want to get one. But only if I can be reasonably comfortable that I am able to mod it or something to prevent a bootloop occuring. What is your use like? Do you game? I don't. It will be used lightly compared to most. I never install games.
Yeah I saw that too. I don't want to spend so much on a new phone. Who knows, could have an even worse hardware fault.
I'm not in the US so I would get a H815. So do you think the reason for less bootloops being reported is due to people not buying the device anymore? Less people have that model? Or less of the people who would come onto the internet and complain? Less of the phone geeks ended up buying later G4s because of the bootloop reports?
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that is a good question.. if less units are beign sold. but i just read that the newer 6XX have a different motherboard it isnt like the old ones. better quality. what i know is less people reported tha issue.

F-L-Y-E-R said:
G3 is not a bad phone and G4 is not a big upgrade so I am not sure why would you want to upgrade. I'm sure there are better phones out there especially with 820 SoC released 808 is getting old. I bought my G4 1 year ago mainly because it was very cheap compared to similar models from other brands but now I don't see anything why would you buy it.
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That's true. The only problem is, I am not in it for the specs really I am more into it for the looks/feel in the hand and possible continued support on XDA for the device. The G3 does still have it yes, but I would like to slowly work my way up. What would you be recommending? I was actually looking at downgrading to a Moto X 2013 edition because it feels just so damn good in the hand. The G5 and G6 look vomit worthy to me. I just hate the look of all the new flag ships coming out.
raptorddd said:
that is a good question.. if less units are beign sold. but i just read that the newer 6XX have a different motherboard it isnt like the old ones. better quality. what i know is less people reported tha issue.
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Oh did you read that they actually changed the design? Where did you find that out? Do you have a G4?

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That's true. The only problem is, I am not in it for the specs really I am more into it for the looks/feel in the hand and possible continued support on XDA for the device. The G3 does still have it yes, but I would like to slowly work my way up. What would you be recommending? I was actually looking at downgrading to a Moto X 2013 edition because it feels just so damn good in the hand. The G5 and G6 look vomit worthy to me. I just hate the look of all the new flag ships coming out.
Oh did you read that they actually changed the design? Where did you find that out? Do you have a G4?
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yes i have h811 wich i flash like 2-3 times a week.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70259566&postcount=194

raptorddd said:
yes i have h811 wich i flash like 2-3 times a week.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70259566&postcount=194
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Aha. I see. So these forums are still quite active on XDA? There seem to be a few people still on the device.